texagbeliever said:

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Enjoyed this discussion with you ttu_85. So hopefully you will forgive me when I call you an idiot in a few days with some bad political take.

Kidding. The best thing we can do is pray and be the light to those around us. God is in control.

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Same here. He is indeed in control.

This is why the whole “DeSantis should have waited until 2028” argument was ridiculous

MAGA was never going to give him a fair shake https://t.co/MejfskFsdI

— Drew Evett (@drewevett24) January 17, 2024

It seems a lot of people forgot that DeSantis barely beat a crackhead by 30K votes, and only after Trump went in and bailed him out. DeSantis is a colorless technocrat - he can do great things if he ever gets in, but when compared with Trump's carnival barker persona (and I voted for Trump twice and will again), he comes off much the worse for wear.

Dan Scott said:

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This is why the whole “DeSantis should have waited until 2028” argument was ridiculous

MAGA was never going to give him a fair shake https://t.co/MejfskFsdI

— Drew Evett (@drewevett24) January 17, 2024

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And the grift will continue.

2000AgPhD said:

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It seems a lot of people forgot that DeSantis barely beat a crackhead by 30K votes, and only after Trump went in and bailed him out. DeSantis is a colorless technocrat - he can do great things if he ever gets in, but when compared with Trump's carnival barker persona (and I voted for Trump twice and will again), he comes off much the worse for wear.

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Yep.

Trump is all sizzle no steak, but we like sizzle.

Rapier108 said:

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Dan Scott said:

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This is why the whole “DeSantis should have waited until 2028” argument was ridiculous

MAGA was never going to give him a fair shake https://t.co/MejfskFsdI

— Drew Evett (@drewevett24) January 17, 2024

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And the grift will continue.

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And maga will lap it up because of their religious/cult-like devotion to the man. Trump is many things, but getting people to give him money for things they don't need is one of them, kinda like the Jerry Olsteens of the world.

Meh. Don Jr. doesn't have the same panache as his father. Nor does he have as much experience.

If he's really serious, he needs to run for something else first, Congress, Governor, etc.

2000AgPhD said:

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It seems a lot of people forgot that DeSantis barely beat a crackhead by 30K votes, and only after Trump went in and bailed him out. DeSantis is a colorless technocrat - he can do great things if he ever gets in, but when compared with Trump's carnival barker persona (and I voted for Trump twice and will again), he comes off much the worse for wear.

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Which is still better than Trump has done. Trump still has never broken 47% in a general election.

pagerman @ work said:

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2000AgPhD said:

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It seems a lot of people forgot that DeSantis barely beat a crackhead by 30K votes, and only after Trump went in and bailed him out. DeSantis is a colorless technocrat - he can do great things if he ever gets in, but when compared with Trump's carnival barker persona (and I voted for Trump twice and will again), he comes off much the worse for wear.

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Yep.

Trump is all sizzle no steak, but we like sizzle.

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You don't like $1.89 gas and a hefty 401K/investment portfolio? Historically low unemployment? Zero new wars? What is it about Trump that you don't like?

Dan Scott said:

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This is why the whole “DeSantis should have waited until 2028” argument was ridiculous

MAGA was never going to give him a fair shake https://t.co/MejfskFsdI

— Drew Evett (@drewevett24) January 17, 2024

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Empires and dynasties.

2000AgPhD said:

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It seems a lot of people forgot that DeSantis barely beat a crackhead by 30K votes, and only after Trump went in and bailed him out. DeSantis is a colorless technocrat - he can do great things if he ever gets in, but when compared with Trump's carnival barker persona (and I voted for Trump twice and will again), he comes off much the worse for wear.

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In 2018 there was a huge anti-Republican turnout because of Trump. Also, Florida's election were still **** and corrupt. DeSantis was running against Florida's version of Obama, and no one knew of his after hours activities at that time.

The "Trump saved DeSantis" is just a myth created by Trump so he could demand fealty for life from DeSantis.

aggiehawg said:

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Meh. Don Jr. doesn't have the same panache as his father. Nor does he have as much experience.

If he's really serious, he needs to run for something else first, Congress, Governor, etc.

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His last name is "Trump," which is all that MAGA will care about.

aggiehawg said:

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Meh. Don Jr. doesn't have the same panache as his father. Nor does he have as much experience.

If he's really serious, he needs to run for something else first, Congress, Governor, etc.

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LOL. That's rich. Yeah, just like his dad. Reality TV star. Trump has lowered the bar in every respect. You don't actually need to have any experience in government at all, nor need you be competent in any manner of leadership or management.

I said I would vote for DeSantis in the primary, but I'm not going to take my ball and go home and let the crypt keeper continue to destroying the country.

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aggiehawg said:

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Meh. Don Jr. doesn't have the same panache as his father. Nor does he have as much experience.

If he's really serious, he needs to run for something else first, Congress, Governor, etc.

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LOL. That's rich. Yeah, just like his dad. Reality TV star. Trump has lowered the bar in every respect. You don't actually need to have any experience in government at all, nor need you be competent in any manner of leadership or management.

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Because all of Biden's "experience in government" and "leadership and management" is working out swimmingly.

I'm no Trump fan but some of you progressives are out of your damn minds.

Rapier108 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Meh. Don Jr. doesn't have the same panache as his father. Nor does he have as much experience.

If he's really serious, he needs to run for something else first, Congress, Governor, etc.

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His last name is "Trump," which is all that MAGA will care about.

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Your posts are divisive and do nothing but hinder the GOP.

If that's your goal, then carry on. Otherwise, please reflect on it because I don't see hardly anyone touting DJT jr as a good option going forward.

Tea Party said:

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Dan Scott said:

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This is why the whole “DeSantis should have waited until 2028” argument was ridiculous

MAGA was never going to give him a fair shake https://t.co/MejfskFsdI

— Drew Evett (@drewevett24) January 17, 2024

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Empires and dynasties.

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I'm shocked, I tell you...just shocked.

As a somewhat neutral observer, it's been wild watching fellow conservatives beating the bushes with vitriol trying to flush out Trump supporters alongside the progressives.

2000AgPhD said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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2000AgPhD said:

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It seems a lot of people forgot that DeSantis barely beat a crackhead by 30K votes, and only after Trump went in and bailed him out. DeSantis is a colorless technocrat - he can do great things if he ever gets in, but when compared with Trump's carnival barker persona (and I voted for Trump twice and will again), he comes off much the worse for wear.

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Yep.

Trump is all sizzle no steak, but we like sizzle.

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You don't like $1.89 gas and a hefty 401K/investment portfolio? Historically low unemployment? Zero new wars? What is it about Trump that you don't like?

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I want to hear some policy ideas from the man.

He started the inflationary spending that Biden has recklessly continued (albeit at a lower rate). I want to hear what his plans are for the budget. I want him to explain how he is going to do all these things that you are inferring he will accomplish, because until he blew up the budget in 2020 & 2021, the stock market, unemployment and gas prices were all basically following trends that were established in the prior administration.

What are his plans for the budget? How much is he planning on spending annually? What is he going to do regarding entitlements (social security, Medicare and Medicaid)? Neither he nor his campaign website offer anything approaching a hint of an idea.

Because of Trump's stupidity and the compounding stupidity of the Biden administration the country he would be taking over is not the same one he took over in 2017. Does he realize this? Does he have any notion of how to address this? "It's going to be the best" is not a plan.

"This is what he did last time" doesn't tell me sh/t about what he plans to do now, particularly since he has run off most of the people in his administration that helped to achieve his accomplishments in his prior administration.

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DeSantis misread the room.

He underestimated the power the power of incumbency. And make no mistake about it, Trump for all practical purposes was an incumbent president. This was a fatal strategic error.

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I think that's the heart of it. To most GOP voters who supported the majority of Trump's policies and do not trust the insiders of both parties, Trump is still the incumbent for them in this election. That's a tough image to shake, especially when Trump is the center of the focus from both parties and the media.

I would prefer DeSantis, and wish he had been the frontrunner. But that wasn't going to happen the minute Trump announced he was running again. He and Trump were essentially targeting the same voters. The establishment wing of the party who always want the 'fatherly' statesmen figure weren't going to embrace DeSantis.

Also the timing given the gubernatorial election. He wins in November 2022 and then turns around and declares for the Presidency? Some voters might have felt duped by that, perhaps?

Yes, DeSantis probably has a larger victory in 2018 without the endorsement.

Look at the the FL HD-35 special election yesterday. It's a D+2 seat. Biden won by 5 and DeSantis by 11. GOP turned out more than the Dems, but NPA voted for the Dem at a 70% rate. She ran on Trump and pushed DeSantis away.

Rapier108 said:

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2000AgPhD said:

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It seems a lot of people forgot that DeSantis barely beat a crackhead by 30K votes, and only after Trump went in and bailed him out. DeSantis is a colorless technocrat - he can do great things if he ever gets in, but when compared with Trump's carnival barker persona (and I voted for Trump twice and will again), he comes off much the worse for wear.

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In 2018 there was a huge anti-Republican turnout because of Trump. Also, Florida's election were still **** and corrupt. DeSantis was running against Florida's version of Obama, and no one knew of his after hours activities at that time.

The "Trump saved DeSantis" is just a myth created by Trump so he could demand fealty for life from DeSantis.

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Time Magazine - Nov 6, 2018

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After a primary ad in which he built a wall and read "The Art of the Deal" with his kids, DeSantis was helped by the president's involvement in the race, even as his Democratic opponent Andrew Gillum took hard lines against Trump's actions at the national level.

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DeSantis might not have even made it to the general election without Trump's very early endorsement. Adam Putman, DeSantis' opponent in the Republican primary, was arguably better-known and objectively better-funded.

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and this one

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Meanwhile, DeSantis, who resigned from his congressional seat after winning the Republican primary, presented himself as an extension of Trump's conservatism.

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Myth. LMAO!!

Rapier108 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Meh. Don Jr. doesn't have the same panache as his father. Nor does he have as much experience.

If he's really serious, he needs to run for something else first, Congress, Governor, etc.

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His last name is "Trump," which is all that MAGA will care about.

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Got a link? Or anything close to any MAGA supporting Jr for President?

Other than TDS REEEEEEEEing?

Rapier108 said:

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and played MAGA like a fiddle.

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Fact is that DeSantis was most popular before anyone had actually seen or heard from him. The more people got to know him the less they liked him. His legend was greater than him. "Has any good thing from Florida?" I think it says that in the Bible.

I understand the DeSantis was considered aloof and unfriendly when in Congress. No personal touch, no warmth, no collegiality. He's a driven man. But he's not the kind of man that can make you think you'd like to spend any time with him. His campaign couldn't even teach him how to smile.

Tea Party said:

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Dan Scott said:

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This is why the whole “DeSantis should have waited until 2028” argument was ridiculous

MAGA was never going to give him a fair shake https://t.co/MejfskFsdI

— Drew Evett (@drewevett24) January 17, 2024

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Empires and dynasties.

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This. We've now had the Bush family (2 Presidents), Clinton Family (1 President, 1 SOS/Senator, 1 Presidential Run), Obama Family (1 President, One possibly considering)... Not to mention the Kennedy Family. Now the Trump Family is getting in on the gig.

Enough already.

shiftyandquick said:

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Fact is that DeSantis was most popular before anyone had actually seen or heard from him. The more people got to know him the less they liked him. His legend was greater than him. "Has any good thing from Florida?" I think it says that in the Bible.

I understand the DeSantis was considered aloof and unfriendly when in Congress. No personal touch, no warmth, no collegiality. He's a driven man. But he's not the kind of man that can make you think you'd like to spend any time with him. His campaign couldn't even teach him how to smile.

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Wow. You crammed so many untruths into two paragraphs, it's head-spinning.

Congrats!

ETA: But portions of it do ring true...

Fact is that Biden was most popular before anyone had actually seen or heard from him. The more people got to know him the less they liked him. His legend was greater than him. "Thou shalt not covet" I think it says that in the Bible.

I understand that Biden was considered a goof and incapable when in Congress. No personal touch, no warmth, fake collegiality. He's a man driven by money and women. But he's not the kind of man that can make you think you'd like to spend any time with him. His campaign couldn't even teach him how to stay away from young children.

Everything I said was true, as I heard it. IIRC, a GOP congressman on a same committee as ol' pudding fingers said that Ron never once said hello to him or acknowledged him in anyway during the time they served together. Referring to how impersonal he was.

Yet here we are on F16 with DeSantis supporters talking about his great charisma, LOL. Zero counties won in Iowa. I guess Iowans can't see great charisma when it visits each county 3 times.

Rapier108 said:

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And the grift will continue.

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I really don't know how I can take this critique seriously because grift would not describe any aspect of Trump's life because the definition is "engage in petty or small-scale swindling"?

Sadly anybody that is a conservative is considered MAGA, unless of course you are George Conway, Ana Navarro, Joe Scarborough, Meghan McCain, Adam Kinzinger, Liz Cheney, Bill Kristol, etc.

aggiehawg said:

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Meh. Don Jr. doesn't have the same panache as his father. Nor does he have as much experience.

If he's really serious, he needs to run for something else first, Congress, Governor, etc.

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Unfortunately, there is a segment of MAGA (not saying you're in it by any means) that would jump on the Jr train if Trump tells them to by endorsing him.

aggiehawg said:

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Also the timing given the gubernatorial election. He wins in November 2022 and then turns around and declares for the Presidency? Some voters might have felt duped by that, perhaps?

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Well, he didn't declare until May or so, right? So, not like it was right after the election.

Science Denier said:

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Rapier108 said:

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2000AgPhD said:

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It seems a lot of people forgot that DeSantis barely beat a crackhead by 30K votes, and only after Trump went in and bailed him out. DeSantis is a colorless technocrat - he can do great things if he ever gets in, but when compared with Trump's carnival barker persona (and I voted for Trump twice and will again), he comes off much the worse for wear.

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In 2018 there was a huge anti-Republican turnout because of Trump. Also, Florida's election were still **** and corrupt. DeSantis was running against Florida's version of Obama, and no one knew of his after hours activities at that time.

The "Trump saved DeSantis" is just a myth created by Trump so he could demand fealty for life from DeSantis.

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Time Magazine - Nov 6, 2018

Quote:

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After a primary ad in which he built a wall and read "The Art of the Deal" with his kids, DeSantis was helped by the president's involvement in the race, even as his Democratic opponent Andrew Gillum took hard lines against Trump's actions at the national level.

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and

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DeSantis might not have even made it to the general election without Trump's very early endorsement. Adam Putman, DeSantis' opponent in the Republican primary, was arguably better-known and objectively better-funded.

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and this one

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Meanwhile, DeSantis, who resigned from his congressional seat after winning the Republican primary, presented himself as an extension of Trump's conservatism.

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Myth. LMAO!!

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So, Time Magazine is not fake news when you want it to be...good to know.

Ag with kids said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Meh. Don Jr. doesn't have the same panache as his father. Nor does he have as much experience.

If he's really serious, he needs to run for something else first, Congress, Governor, etc.

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Unfortunately, there is a segment of MAGA (not saying you're in it by any means) that would jump on the Jr train if Trump tells them to by endorsing him.

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On the other hand many fell in line with McCain and Romney...

I think the brow beating and infighting is unnecessary. What the point?