Trump has little chance in the general. Haley would outperform Trump, as would desantis.

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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ttu_85 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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What is concerning to me about DeSantis is that he appeared to be more popular when many people did not know a lot about him. So much so, his well publicized announcement on twitter crashed their servers. People were open to him.

Then he does the full Grassley camping out in Iowa for months. Iowans got to see him up close and weigh his policies and positions. Yet, he couldn't sway them to his side when the time came to vote. For months he was bouncing around within the same few polling points. He did gain several points between the last poll and the final results yesterday, so that was progress. But was it enough for the donor class?

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I'd perfer to think for myself. I dont care that he is not the greatest speaker or is 9' tall. I care about his policy and record. Not what Iowans think.

I do know DeSantis's main competition and I see a old, deeply troubled man that likes to have his boots licked. And cares only for himself as evident by leaving two GA Republican senator candidates without help in a run off that led to the rats taking the Senate in 2020. That is when I lifted the middle finger to that self-centered jackass

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Neat.

I like RD too but none of that matters because he apparently can't even budge the needle much less move it.

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What a terrible indictment of our country. We want our presidents to be entertainers. Bring on the clown suites.

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This has been an issue since…well…forever.

But for the first time, it's everyone else's fault but the candidate's.

What one thing is that?

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Ron, thanks for participating

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What are you going to say when Trump loses to Biden again? Thanks Don for Participating.

Remember Trump doesn't debate or take risk because a veggy beat him in the first debate of the 2020 race. Clearly it left scars. Who loses to totally discredited moron like Biden.

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I just think it's mind boggling people think Trump has any shot of winning in 2024.

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No one outside of Trump has a chance , you think Desantis has better chance he can't even sway gop voters

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I'd rather roll with just about anyone but Trump. At least that gives the GOP a chance.

Trump as the nominee is the ship sinking in the harbor.

Trump had every opportunity to win in 2020, but the idiot couldn't just keep his trap shut and not insult "Uncle Joe." Joe was doing his damnedest to sink his own campaign, and Trump came in to save the day for him.

I cannot believe Biden literally said in a debate he would seek to destroy the O&G AND coal industries in the same debate and still came out of that debate looking better than Trump because Trump couldn't just let the man talk his way into a loss.

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Trump has little chance in the general. Haley would outperform Trump, as would desantis.

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That's your opinion a rather dumb one , Ron can't even sway gop voters and he's gonna swing independents ok

ttu_85 said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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ttu_85 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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What is concerning to me about DeSantis is that he appeared to be more popular when many people did not know a lot about him. So much so, his well publicized announcement on twitter crashed their servers. People were open to him.

Then he does the full Grassley camping out in Iowa for months. Iowans got to see him up close and weigh his policies and positions. Yet, he couldn't sway them to his side when the time came to vote. For months he was bouncing around within the same few polling points. He did gain several points between the last poll and the final results yesterday, so that was progress. But was it enough for the donor class?

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I'd perfer to think for myself. I dont care that he is not the greatest speaker or is 9' tall. I care about his policy and record. Not what Iowans think.

I do know DeSantis's main competition and I see a old, deeply troubled man that likes to have his boots licked. And cares only for himself as evident by leaving two GA Republican senator candidates without help in a run off that led to the rats taking the Senate in 2020. That is when I lifted the middle finger to that self-centered jackass

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Neat.

I like RD too but none of that matters because he apparently can't even budge the needle much less move it.

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What a terrible indictment of our country. We want our presidents to be entertainers. Bring on the clown suites.

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RD needs to learn how to let people make him appealing and not be 100% kind of guy. Some of that is he needs to first establish his 100% nature then he can be something else. It is why him campaigning this cycle is important to his future success.

Trump before 2016 was a businessman. Was an entertainer (tv show, many references in tv shows and movies, interviews). Then he added in some fighting and general republican ideas. To some people he is a businessman. An outsider. An entertainer. A republican. A populist. It is the quality of getting mass appeal.

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And cares only for himself as evident by leaving two GA Republican senator candidates without help in a run off that led to the rats taking the Senate in 2020. That is when I lifted the middle finger to that self-centered jackass

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I think the result of the runoff was preordained when Raffensperger and the Georgia Board of Elections refused to make any changes to the election procedures after the disaster that was the general.

Part of the indictments against Trump and others involved election machnies being inspected in Coffee County after that runoff. Election officials in a particular precinct were having difficulties tabulating some early votes from the runoff the day of. Kept getting a QR Code failure message and the ballots were kicked back.

When they separated those that were kicked out, they noticed all of the rejected ballots containd votes for the GOP. Dominion was called and a tech told them by phone just to clean the machine with a cloth. Problem kept recurring. Dominion tech finally showed up in person, got an earful from the supervisor and was instructed to call his boss and put him on speakerphone. Supervisor threatened to call the press unless the problem was fixed immediately. Boss told the tech to go outside to continue their conversation. After several minutes, tech returns, all smiles and takes his phone and stands next to the tabulators with it.

He never touches the machines but then tells them to try the rejected ballots now. They do and this time they are "tabulated," The election workers were shocked at what they had just witnessed. And they invited the computer guys (via Sidney Powell) to find out what had happened.

But they couldn't. SLOG files were corrupted as I recall.

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Trump has little chance in the general. Haley would outperform Trump, as would desantis.

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That's your opinion a rather dumb one , Ron can't even sway gop voters and he's gonna swing independents ok

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That a very simple point of view addressed hundreds of times over the last 24hrs and actually months.

Trump will win the primaries and lose the general. Independents don't typically vote in significant numbers in said primaries.

As much as I hate poll at this time, Haley is +8 over biden, while Ron and Don are both +3 over biden.

The general election is not the same as the primary. This is not complicated

texagbeliever said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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ttu_85 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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What is concerning to me about DeSantis is that he appeared to be more popular when many people did not know a lot about him. So much so, his well publicized announcement on twitter crashed their servers. People were open to him.

Then he does the full Grassley camping out in Iowa for months. Iowans got to see him up close and weigh his policies and positions. Yet, he couldn't sway them to his side when the time came to vote. For months he was bouncing around within the same few polling points. He did gain several points between the last poll and the final results yesterday, so that was progress. But was it enough for the donor class?

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I'd perfer to think for myself. I dont care that he is not the greatest speaker or is 9' tall. I care about his policy and record. Not what Iowans think.

I do know DeSantis's main competition and I see a old, deeply troubled man that likes to have his boots licked. And cares only for himself as evident by leaving two GA Republican senator candidates without help in a run off that led to the rats taking the Senate in 2020. That is when I lifted the middle finger to that self-centered jackass

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Neat.

I like RD too but none of that matters because he apparently can't even budge the needle much less move it.

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What a terrible indictment of our country. We want our presidents to be entertainers. Bring on the clown suites.

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RD needs to learn how to let people make him appealing and not be 100% kind of guy. Some of that is he needs to first establish his 100% nature then he can be something else. It is why him campaigning this cycle is important to his future success.

Trump before 2016 was a businessman. Was an entertainer (tv show, many references in tv shows and movies, interviews). Then he added in some fighting and general republican ideas. To some people he is a businessman. An outsider. An entertainer. A republican. A populist. It is the quality of getting mass appeal.

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We know the American people have sunk so low as to wanting an entertainer as a leader with general republican ideas rather than detailed plans and long lasting policy. It was great to see almost every policy Trump passed get reversed almost immediately.

Someone last night said it's the WWE.

I think thats the perfect metaphor

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Dan Scott said:

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2008 financial crisis changed the country and Republican party forever.

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Obama changed the country and the Republican Party forever. Trump was a direct reaction to 8 years of hamfisted division by Obama.

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Hell, I'd say this all started in 1965 with the Hart Cellar Act and LBJ.

texagbeliever said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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ttu_85 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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What is concerning to me about DeSantis is that he appeared to be more popular when many people did not know a lot about him. So much so, his well publicized announcement on twitter crashed their servers. People were open to him.

Then he does the full Grassley camping out in Iowa for months. Iowans got to see him up close and weigh his policies and positions. Yet, he couldn't sway them to his side when the time came to vote. For months he was bouncing around within the same few polling points. He did gain several points between the last poll and the final results yesterday, so that was progress. But was it enough for the donor class?

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I'd perfer to think for myself. I dont care that he is not the greatest speaker or is 9' tall. I care about his policy and record. Not what Iowans think.

I do know DeSantis's main competition and I see a old, deeply troubled man that likes to have his boots licked. And cares only for himself as evident by leaving two GA Republican senator candidates without help in a run off that led to the rats taking the Senate in 2020. That is when I lifted the middle finger to that self-centered jackass

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Neat.

I like RD too but none of that matters because he apparently can't even budge the needle much less move it.

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What a terrible indictment of our country. We want our presidents to be entertainers. Bring on the clown suites.

---

RD needs to learn how to let people make him appealing and not be 100% kind of guy. Some of that is he needs to first establish his 100% nature then he can be something else. It is why him campaigning this cycle is important to his future success.

Trump before 2016 was a businessman. Was an entertainer (tv show, many references in tv shows and movies, interviews). Then he added in some fighting and general republican ideas. To some people he is a businessman. An outsider. An entertainer. A republican. A populist. It is the quality of getting mass appeal.

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This is a good point, except for that in bold. Trump is despised by many with very high negatives. He doesn't have mass appeal. He is massively divisive. Not what the conservative movement or the country needs at this point in history. I'll vote for him holding my nose with low expectations. We have to get the demcRats out this year before they totally wreck the country.

Cant believe so many cant understand this

aggiehawg said:

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And cares only for himself as evident by leaving two GA Republican senator candidates without help in a run off that led to the rats taking the Senate in 2020. That is when I lifted the middle finger to that self-centered jackass

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I think the result of the runoff was preordained when Raffensperger and the Georgia Board of Elections refused to make any changes to the election procedures after the disaster that was the general.

Part of the indictments against Trump and others involved election machnies being inspected in Coffee County after that runoff. Election officials in a particular precinct were having difficulties tabulating some early votes from the runoff the day of. Kept getting a QR Code failure message and the ballots were kicked back.

When they separated those that were kicked out, they noticed all of the rejected ballots containd votes for the GOP. Dominion was called and a tech told them by phone just to clean the machine with a cloth. Problem kept recurring. Dominion tech finally showed up in person, got an earful from the supervisor and was instructed to call his boss and put him on speakerphone. Supervisor threatened to call the press unless the problem was fixed immediately. Boss told the tech to go outside to continue their conversation. After several minutes, tech returns, all smiles and takes his phone and stands next to the tabulators with it.

He never touches the machines but then tells them to try the rejected ballots now. They do and this time they are "tabulated," The election workers were shocked at what they had just witnessed. And they invited the computer guys (via Sidney Powell) to find out what had happened.

But they couldn't. SLOG files were corrupted as I recall.

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Maybe hawg but Trump did nothing to help. After he was defeated he packed his bags and did nothing to help fight for the Senate run off leaving us with the rats in control of the executive and legislative branches. I was done with that ***** after that.

He was in Dalton GA Jan 4th at a rally for the Senators. So did Pence.

LINK

ttu_85 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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ttu_85 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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What is concerning to me about DeSantis is that he appeared to be more popular when many people did not know a lot about him. So much so, his well publicized announcement on twitter crashed their servers. People were open to him.

Then he does the full Grassley camping out in Iowa for months. Iowans got to see him up close and weigh his policies and positions. Yet, he couldn't sway them to his side when the time came to vote. For months he was bouncing around within the same few polling points. He did gain several points between the last poll and the final results yesterday, so that was progress. But was it enough for the donor class?

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I'd perfer to think for myself. I dont care that he is not the greatest speaker or is 9' tall. I care about his policy and record. Not what Iowans think.

I do know DeSantis's main competition and I see a old, deeply troubled man that likes to have his boots licked. And cares only for himself as evident by leaving two GA Republican senator candidates without help in a run off that led to the rats taking the Senate in 2020. That is when I lifted the middle finger to that self-centered jackass

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Neat.

I like RD too but none of that matters because he apparently can't even budge the needle much less move it.

---

What a terrible indictment of our country. We want our presidents to be entertainers. Bring on the clown suites.

---

RD needs to learn how to let people make him appealing and not be 100% kind of guy. Some of that is he needs to first establish his 100% nature then he can be something else. It is why him campaigning this cycle is important to his future success.

Trump before 2016 was a businessman. Was an entertainer (tv show, many references in tv shows and movies, interviews). Then he added in some fighting and general republican ideas. To some people he is a businessman. An outsider. An entertainer. A republican. A populist. It is the quality of getting mass appeal.

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This is a good point, except for that in bold. Trump is despised by many with very high negatives. He doesn't have mass appeal. He is massively divisive. Not what the conservative movement or the country needs at this point in history. I'll vote for him holding my nose with low expectations. We have to get the demcRats out this year before they totally wreck the country.

Cant believe so many cant understand this

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People understand the concept of getting the dems out of the presidency.

What many who don't support trump can't understand is how Trump supporters can't see Trump's divisiveness is exactly what will keep him from winning in 2024, even against Biden. There are so many better options, and we're nominating the one that is a guaranteed loser.

How stupid is that?

SIAP. Wow this is a takedown article. After reading this, I don't think DeSantis will ever be a force for president again.

Says he spent more on his travel (jet, as we know) that he did on TV.

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At 45 years old, DeSantis had no close senior advisers older than he, and he had a reputation for disregarding advice and data that conflicted with his opinions (on abortion, for instance). Known for demanding loyalty he doesn't frequently reciprocate, DeSantis established a top-down campaign structure designed to give him information he wanted to hear.

Critical voices didn't last in the campaign.

"The DeSantis campaign was too much of a DeSantis fan club," said one disillusioned consultant who worked to elect DeSantis.

Said another: "Ron is the smartest guy in the room. Everyone else is an idiot. No one tells him he's wrong. So it didn't happen that often."

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https://themessenger.com/politics/the-inside-story-of-how-ron-desantis-got-crushed-by-donald-trump-exclusive

ttu_85 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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ttu_85 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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What is concerning to me about DeSantis is that he appeared to be more popular when many people did not know a lot about him. So much so, his well publicized announcement on twitter crashed their servers. People were open to him.

Then he does the full Grassley camping out in Iowa for months. Iowans got to see him up close and weigh his policies and positions. Yet, he couldn't sway them to his side when the time came to vote. For months he was bouncing around within the same few polling points. He did gain several points between the last poll and the final results yesterday, so that was progress. But was it enough for the donor class?

---

I'd perfer to think for myself. I dont care that he is not the greatest speaker or is 9' tall. I care about his policy and record. Not what Iowans think.

I do know DeSantis's main competition and I see a old, deeply troubled man that likes to have his boots licked. And cares only for himself as evident by leaving two GA Republican senator candidates without help in a run off that led to the rats taking the Senate in 2020. That is when I lifted the middle finger to that self-centered jackass

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Neat.

I like RD too but none of that matters because he apparently can't even budge the needle much less move it.

---

What a terrible indictment of our country. We want our presidents to be entertainers. Bring on the clown suites.

---

RD needs to learn how to let people make him appealing and not be 100% kind of guy. Some of that is he needs to first establish his 100% nature then he can be something else. It is why him campaigning this cycle is important to his future success.

Trump before 2016 was a businessman. Was an entertainer (tv show, many references in tv shows and movies, interviews). Then he added in some fighting and general republican ideas. To some people he is a businessman. An outsider. An entertainer. A republican. A populist. It is the quality of getting mass appeal.

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This is a good point, except for that in bold. Trump is despised by many with very high negatives. He doesn't have mass appeal. He is massively divisive. Not what the conservative movement or the country needs at this point in history. I'll vote for him holding my nose with low expectations. We have to get the demcRats out this year before they totally wreck the country.

Cant believe so many cant understand this

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It is a bit of a double edge sword. People can see you in a positive light, people can see you in a negative light.

What 2020 did was crank up depression among the general populace to level 12/13 (out of 10). People were scared, afraid, alone. That impacted how they could imagine someone that has more of a many hats personality than a single hat. It would be negative matching their present emotional state. The problem is that people can get over that and the higher you crank up fear, the more significant the backlash can be. The democrats won't have that option in the playbook because fear also calls for change and so it would backfire against the incumbent party. So baring some major event the tide is flipping to Trump.

Ill quote again the Right Track/ Wrong Track polls. The best indicator of a flip in election cycle for president. In 2020, WT > RT. As in 2016. As in 2008. In 2024 it is WT > RT. The signs point to hope.



2020 37% RT, 63% WT.
2024 current polls: 30% RT, 70% WT.

Fun fact Bush & Bush Sr. are responsible for the -58 and -65 RT/WT splits that led to Clinton then Obama.

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SIAP. Wow this is a takedown article. After reading this, I don't think DeSantis will ever be a force for president again.

Says he spent more on his travel (jet, as we know) that he did on TV.

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At 45 years old, DeSantis had no close senior advisers older than he, and he had a reputation for disregarding advice and data that conflicted with his opinions (on abortion, for instance). Known for demanding loyalty he doesn't frequently reciprocate, DeSantis established a top-down campaign structure designed to give him information he wanted to hear.

Critical voices didn't last in the campaign.

"The DeSantis campaign was too much of a DeSantis fan club," said one disillusioned consultant who worked to elect DeSantis.

Said another: "Ron is the smartest guy in the room. Everyone else is an idiot. No one tells him he's wrong. So it didn't happen that often."

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https://themessenger.com/politics/the-inside-story-of-how-ron-desantis-got-crushed-by-donald-trump-exclusive

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Would explain why his campaign was such a disaster and why his message always sounded like he still thought he was running for Governor.

shiftyandquick said:

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SIAP. Wow this is a takedown article. After reading this, I don't think DeSantis will ever be a force for president again.

Says he spent more on his travel (jet, as we know) that he did on TV.

Quote:

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At 45 years old, DeSantis had no close senior advisers older than he, and he had a reputation for disregarding advice and data that conflicted with his opinions (on abortion, for instance). Known for demanding loyalty he doesn't frequently reciprocate, DeSantis established a top-down campaign structure designed to give him information he wanted to hear.

Critical voices didn't last in the campaign.

"The DeSantis campaign was too much of a DeSantis fan club," said one disillusioned consultant who worked to elect DeSantis.

Said another: "Ron is the smartest guy in the room. Everyone else is an idiot. No one tells him he's wrong. So it didn't happen that often."

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https://themessenger.com/politics/the-inside-story-of-how-ron-desantis-got-crushed-by-donald-trump-exclusive

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Now that's a quality hit piece complete with a Trump friendly rag and lots of anonymous sources. Might as well ask Rolling Stone about the Trump campaign.

texagbeliever said:

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ttu_85 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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ttu_85 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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What is concerning to me about DeSantis is that he appeared to be more popular when many people did not know a lot about him. So much so, his well publicized announcement on twitter crashed their servers. People were open to him.

Then he does the full Grassley camping out in Iowa for months. Iowans got to see him up close and weigh his policies and positions. Yet, he couldn't sway them to his side when the time came to vote. For months he was bouncing around within the same few polling points. He did gain several points between the last poll and the final results yesterday, so that was progress. But was it enough for the donor class?

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I'd perfer to think for myself. I dont care that he is not the greatest speaker or is 9' tall. I care about his policy and record. Not what Iowans think.

I do know DeSantis's main competition and I see a old, deeply troubled man that likes to have his boots licked. And cares only for himself as evident by leaving two GA Republican senator candidates without help in a run off that led to the rats taking the Senate in 2020. That is when I lifted the middle finger to that self-centered jackass

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Neat.

I like RD too but none of that matters because he apparently can't even budge the needle much less move it.

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What a terrible indictment of our country. We want our presidents to be entertainers. Bring on the clown suites.

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RD needs to learn how to let people make him appealing and not be 100% kind of guy. Some of that is he needs to first establish his 100% nature then he can be something else. It is why him campaigning this cycle is important to his future success.

Trump before 2016 was a businessman. Was an entertainer (tv show, many references in tv shows and movies, interviews). Then he added in some fighting and general republican ideas. To some people he is a businessman. An outsider. An entertainer. A republican. A populist. It is the quality of getting mass appeal.

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This is a good point, except for that in bold. Trump is despised by many with very high negatives. He doesn't have mass appeal. He is massively divisive. Not what the conservative movement or the country needs at this point in history. I'll vote for him holding my nose with low expectations. We have to get the demcRats out this year before they totally wreck the country.

Cant believe so many cant understand this

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It is a bit of a double edge sword. People can see you in a positive light, people can see you in a negative light.

What 2020 did was crank up depression among the general populace to level 12/13 (out of 10). People were scared, afraid, alone. That impacted how they could imagine someone that has more of a many hats personality than a single hat. It would be negative matching their present emotional state. The problem is that people can get over that and the higher you crank up fear, the more significant the backlash can be. The democrats won't have that option in the playbook because fear also calls for change and so it would backfire against the incumbent party. So baring some major event the tide is flipping to Trump.

Ill quote again the Right Track/ Wrong Track polls. The best indicator of a flip in election cycle for president. In 2020, WT > RT. As in 2016. As in 2008. In 2024 it is WT > RT. The signs point to hope.



2020 37% RT, 63% WT.
2024 current polls: 30% RT, 70% WT.

Fun fact Bush & Bush Sr. are responsible for the -58 and -65 RT/WT splits that led to Clinton then Obama

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Good points and good info. This is how you make a good case. The most important thing for voters like me is to get the rats out of DC and deweaponize Fed Agencies. If Trump can show he means to do these things and put America first--even over himself then he has my support. If he is in it for the sake of his ego or governs based on his ego he can kiss ass.

I want to trust the dude but not there yet. That said Trump is a million times better than Biden or any demrat but thats not saying much. I hope this changes.

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shiftyandquick said:

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SIAP. Wow this is a takedown article. After reading this, I don't think DeSantis will ever be a force for president again.

Says he spent more on his travel (jet, as we know) that he did on TV.

Quote:

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At 45 years old, DeSantis had no close senior advisers older than he, and he had a reputation for disregarding advice and data that conflicted with his opinions (on abortion, for instance). Known for demanding loyalty he doesn't frequently reciprocate, DeSantis established a top-down campaign structure designed to give him information he wanted to hear.

Critical voices didn't last in the campaign.

"The DeSantis campaign was too much of a DeSantis fan club," said one disillusioned consultant who worked to elect DeSantis.

Said another: "Ron is the smartest guy in the room. Everyone else is an idiot. No one tells him he's wrong. So it didn't happen that often."

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https://themessenger.com/politics/the-inside-story-of-how-ron-desantis-got-crushed-by-donald-trump-exclusive

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Now that's a quality hit piece complete with a Trump friendly rag and lots of anonymous sources. Might as well ask Rolling Stone about the Trump campaign.

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'93 this guy is a lefty dem stirring a pot ignore him.

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The most important thing for voters like me is to get the rats out of DC and deweaponize Fed Agencies.

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Given that he did absolutely nothing to accomplish anything even resembling this during his prior 4 years in the job, believing that he would do this takes at the very least a huge leap of faith and frankly assumes facts not at all in evidence.

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If Trump can show he means to do these things and put America first--even over himself then he has my support.

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For Trump there is nothing that comes before Trump. Ever.

Sounds like the article is describing most of the DeSantis militants on TexAgs…

FireAg said:

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Sounds like the article is describing most of the DeSantis militants on TexAgs…

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Says a guy claiming to be a DeSantis supporter. At least be honest in what you are

Liars suck.

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The most important thing for voters like me is to get the rats out of DC and deweaponize Fed Agencies.

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Given that he did absolutely nothing to accomplish anything even resembling this during his prior 4 years in the job, believing that he would do this takes at the very least a huge leap of faith and frankly assumes facts not at all in evidence.

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If Trump can show he means to do these things and put America first--even over himself then he has my support.

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For Trump there is nothing that comes before Trump. Ever.

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Correct, therefor worry not me or like-minded Constitutionalist actively supporting Trump...Unless he has a true change of heart.

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FireAg said:

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Sounds like the article is describing most of the DeSantis militants on TexAgs…

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Says a guy claiming to be a DeSantis supporter. At least be honest in what you are

Liars suck.

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He occasionally slips up...

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FireAg said:

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Sounds like the article is describing most of the DeSantis militants on TexAgs…

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Says a guy claiming to be a DeSantis supporter. At least be honest in what you are

Liars suck.

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I support both. Amazing concept for you DeSantites to grasp.

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texagbeliever said:

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ttu_85 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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ttu_85 said:

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ttu_85 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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What is concerning to me about DeSantis is that he appeared to be more popular when many people did not know a lot about him. So much so, his well publicized announcement on twitter crashed their servers. People were open to him.

Then he does the full Grassley camping out in Iowa for months. Iowans got to see him up close and weigh his policies and positions. Yet, he couldn't sway them to his side when the time came to vote. For months he was bouncing around within the same few polling points. He did gain several points between the last poll and the final results yesterday, so that was progress. But was it enough for the donor class?

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I'd perfer to think for myself. I dont care that he is not the greatest speaker or is 9' tall. I care about his policy and record. Not what Iowans think.

I do know DeSantis's main competition and I see a old, deeply troubled man that likes to have his boots licked. And cares only for himself as evident by leaving two GA Republican senator candidates without help in a run off that led to the rats taking the Senate in 2020. That is when I lifted the middle finger to that self-centered jackass

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Neat.

I like RD too but none of that matters because he apparently can't even budge the needle much less move it.

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What a terrible indictment of our country. We want our presidents to be entertainers. Bring on the clown suites.

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RD needs to learn how to let people make him appealing and not be 100% kind of guy. Some of that is he needs to first establish his 100% nature then he can be something else. It is why him campaigning this cycle is important to his future success.

Trump before 2016 was a businessman. Was an entertainer (tv show, many references in tv shows and movies, interviews). Then he added in some fighting and general republican ideas. To some people he is a businessman. An outsider. An entertainer. A republican. A populist. It is the quality of getting mass appeal.

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This is a good point, except for that in bold. Trump is despised by many with very high negatives. He doesn't have mass appeal. He is massively divisive. Not what the conservative movement or the country needs at this point in history. I'll vote for him holding my nose with low expectations. We have to get the demcRats out this year before they totally wreck the country.

Cant believe so many cant understand this

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It is a bit of a double edge sword. People can see you in a positive light, people can see you in a negative light.

What 2020 did was crank up depression among the general populace to level 12/13 (out of 10). People were scared, afraid, alone. That impacted how they could imagine someone that has more of a many hats personality than a single hat. It would be negative matching their present emotional state. The problem is that people can get over that and the higher you crank up fear, the more significant the backlash can be. The democrats won't have that option in the playbook because fear also calls for change and so it would backfire against the incumbent party. So baring some major event the tide is flipping to Trump.

Ill quote again the Right Track/ Wrong Track polls. The best indicator of a flip in election cycle for president. In 2020, WT > RT. As in 2016. As in 2008. In 2024 it is WT > RT. The signs point to hope.



2020 37% RT, 63% WT.
2024 current polls: 30% RT, 70% WT.

Fun fact Bush & Bush Sr. are responsible for the -58 and -65 RT/WT splits that led to Clinton then Obama

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Good points and good info. This is how you make a good case. The most important thing for voters like me is to get the rats out of DC and deweaponize Fed Agencies. If Trump can show he means to do these things and put America first--even over himself then he has my support. If he is in it for the sake of his ego or governs based on his ego he can kiss ass.

I want to trust the dude but not there yet. That said Trump is a million times better than Biden or any demrat but thats not saying much. I hope this changes.

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I invite you to take a step back.
What emotions do you feel when posting on Texags or reading F16? For most of my posting history the answer is cynicism, superiority, and despair. This place was a source of information but it also was the place I went to to vent my frustrations and my fears. Outside of those who only use it as a news source, this is a place conservative people go to vent fears and frustrations. People are scared. People who like freedom and don't want us to be a progressive crap hole are scared.

Admittedly I'm scared. Admittedly I vent frustration and fear. I hope though that I can occasionally find courage to bring light. To offer reasons of hope. Provide glimpses of avenues of victory. Give context that puts it into perspective. Perhaps I fail 90% of the time. But that 10% of success is worth it.

Why does that matter? It matters because you can't expect people to be super rational in their posting. They aren't trying to change your mind they are just hoping to cast out their stress and anxiety onto F16 and begone with it. So you largely need to shift through most posts that counter you as being that of someone not in a good, healthy headspace. So yeah most arguments suck BUT that doesn't mean the case they are trying to make is wrong. It just means the argument sucks.

I'd love to lay out this great case as to why Trump puts America first. How even if he puts himself first his axe to grind for a personal vendetta would be as close to a 1 circle venn diagram as you could get. But I know I'll fail. I've tried plenty of times with plenty of people. Which means I am either wrong, I am not persuasive or the person needs a change of heart first. He/She needs to desire courage and optimism. That doesn't mean don't be skeptical. That doesn't mean don't roll your eyes at stupid takes. It just means you have to trust that even a Samaritan can be a hero of a story. It is your job to make sure that you be a bigger hero and better example to those around you so that he is not emulated.

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Sounds like the article is describing most of the DeSantis militants on TexAgs…

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Says a guy claiming to be a DeSantis supporter. At least be honest in what you are

Liars suck.

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He occasionally slips up...

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Lol - once he repeated the "DeSantis shut down Florida" intellectually dishonest trump-fed bull**** he has to know there's no reason to even attempt to hide it now.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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ttu_85 said:

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FireAg said:

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Sounds like the article is describing most of the DeSantis militants on TexAgs…

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Says a guy claiming to be a DeSantis supporter. At least be honest in what you are

Liars suck.

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I support both. Amazing concept for you DeSantites to grasp.

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Belluva cult they have…

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ttu_85 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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ttu_85 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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ttu_85 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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What is concerning to me about DeSantis is that he appeared to be more popular when many people did not know a lot about him. So much so, his well publicized announcement on twitter crashed their servers. People were open to him.

Then he does the full Grassley camping out in Iowa for months. Iowans got to see him up close and weigh his policies and positions. Yet, he couldn't sway them to his side when the time came to vote. For months he was bouncing around within the same few polling points. He did gain several points between the last poll and the final results yesterday, so that was progress. But was it enough for the donor class?

---

I'd perfer to think for myself. I dont care that he is not the greatest speaker or is 9' tall. I care about his policy and record. Not what Iowans think.

I do know DeSantis's main competition and I see a old, deeply troubled man that likes to have his boots licked. And cares only for himself as evident by leaving two GA Republican senator candidates without help in a run off that led to the rats taking the Senate in 2020. That is when I lifted the middle finger to that self-centered jackass

---

Neat.

I like RD too but none of that matters because he apparently can't even budge the needle much less move it.

---

What a terrible indictment of our country. We want our presidents to be entertainers. Bring on the clown suites.

---

RD needs to learn how to let people make him appealing and not be 100% kind of guy. Some of that is he needs to first establish his 100% nature then he can be something else. It is why him campaigning this cycle is important to his future success.

Trump before 2016 was a businessman. Was an entertainer (tv show, many references in tv shows and movies, interviews). Then he added in some fighting and general republican ideas. To some people he is a businessman. An outsider. An entertainer. A republican. A populist. It is the quality of getting mass appeal.

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This is a good point, except for that in bold. Trump is despised by many with very high negatives. He doesn't have mass appeal. He is massively divisive. Not what the conservative movement or the country needs at this point in history. I'll vote for him holding my nose with low expectations. We have to get the demcRats out this year before they totally wreck the country.

Cant believe so many cant understand this

---

It is a bit of a double edge sword. People can see you in a positive light, people can see you in a negative light.

What 2020 did was crank up depression among the general populace to level 12/13 (out of 10). People were scared, afraid, alone. That impacted how they could imagine someone that has more of a many hats personality than a single hat. It would be negative matching their present emotional state. The problem is that people can get over that and the higher you crank up fear, the more significant the backlash can be. The democrats won't have that option in the playbook because fear also calls for change and so it would backfire against the incumbent party. So baring some major event the tide is flipping to Trump.

Ill quote again the Right Track/ Wrong Track polls. The best indicator of a flip in election cycle for president. In 2020, WT > RT. As in 2016. As in 2008. In 2024 it is WT > RT. The signs point to hope.



2020 37% RT, 63% WT.
2024 current polls: 30% RT, 70% WT.

Fun fact Bush & Bush Sr. are responsible for the -58 and -65 RT/WT splits that led to Clinton then Obama

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Good points and good info. This is how you make a good case. The most important thing for voters like me is to get the rats out of DC and deweaponize Fed Agencies. If Trump can show he means to do these things and put America first--even over himself then he has my support. If he is in it for the sake of his ego or governs based on his ego he can kiss ass.

I want to trust the dude but not there yet. That said Trump is a million times better than Biden or any demrat but thats not saying much. I hope this changes.

---

I invite you to take a step back.
What emotions do you feel when posting on Texags or reading F16? For most of my posting history the answer is cynicism, superiority, and despair. This place was a source of information but it also was the place I went to to vent my frustrations and my fears. Outside of those who only use it as a news source, this is a place conservative people go to vent fears and frustrations. People are scared. People who like freedom and don't want us to be a progressive crap hole are scared.

Admittedly I'm scared. Admittedly I vent frustration and fear. I hope though that I can occasionally find courage to bring light. To offer reasons of hope. Provide glimpses of avenues of victory. Give context that puts it into perspective. Perhaps I fail 90% of the time. But that 10% of success is worth it.

Why does that matter? It matters because you can't expect people to be super rational in their posting. They aren't trying to change your mind they are just hoping to cast out their stress and anxiety onto F16 and begone with it. So you largely need to shift through most posts that counter you as being that of someone not in a good, healthy headspace. So yeah most arguments suck BUT that doesn't mean the case they are trying to make is wrong. It just means the argument sucks.

I'd love to lay out this great case as to why Trump puts America first. How even if he puts himself first his axe to grind for a personal vendetta would be as close to a 1 circle venn diagram as you could get. But I know I'll fail. I've tried plenty of times with plenty of people. Which means I am either wrong, I am not persuasive or the person needs a change of heart first. He/She needs to desire courage and optimism. That doesn't mean don't be skeptical. That doesn't mean don't roll your eyes at stupid takes. It just means you have to trust that even a Samaritan can be a hero of a story. It is your job to make sure that you be a bigger hero and better example to those around you so that he is not emulated.

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Interesting. As of late, I'll be honest, I post because I am angry. The nation I love is being sold out and slowly killed before my eyes. This, after along with God and family, being so good to me personally. So I guess I fall under the 'vent frustrations' category of poster. In 1980, the year I first voted, I was then angry seeing the humiliation of the Iran Hostage crises and the Russian invasion of Afghanistan as America was at her low point. Then Reagan wins and changes the trajectory. So much so the wall fell only nine years later and the USSR 2 years after that. Those glorious victories defined my age group. Amazing times

2024 is not much different. The same rats are wrecking the country and along comes a guy from Fla that has leadership factor to potentially do what Reagan did. But no, we are likely to pick an overly emotional and impulsive 80 year-old geriatric . So yeah, most arguments for this, given the high stakes, suck for this is clearly not the Samaritan that can be the hero, that requires a work ethic, wisdom, and the humility to listen to others.

I feel we are making a huge mistake-- thus the anger and frustration. For the record, I hope you are right and I wrong. If so I'll eat my crow. And if Trump is successful, delightfully so.

Enjoyed this discussion with you ttu_85. So hopefully you will forgive me when I call you an idiot in a few days with some bad political take.

Kidding. The best thing we can do is pray and be the light to those around us. God is in control.

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texagbeliever said:

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ttu_85 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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ttu_85 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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ttu_85 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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What is concerning to me about DeSantis is that he appeared to be more popular when many people did not know a lot about him. So much so, his well publicized announcement on twitter crashed their servers. People were open to him.

Then he does the full Grassley camping out in Iowa for months. Iowans got to see him up close and weigh his policies and positions. Yet, he couldn't sway them to his side when the time came to vote. For months he was bouncing around within the same few polling points. He did gain several points between the last poll and the final results yesterday, so that was progress. But was it enough for the donor class?

---

I'd perfer to think for myself. I dont care that he is not the greatest speaker or is 9' tall. I care about his policy and record. Not what Iowans think.

I do know DeSantis's main competition and I see a old, deeply troubled man that likes to have his boots licked. And cares only for himself as evident by leaving two GA Republican senator candidates without help in a run off that led to the rats taking the Senate in 2020. That is when I lifted the middle finger to that self-centered jackass

---

Neat.

I like RD too but none of that matters because he apparently can't even budge the needle much less move it.

---

What a terrible indictment of our country. We want our presidents to be entertainers. Bring on the clown suites.

---

RD needs to learn how to let people make him appealing and not be 100% kind of guy. Some of that is he needs to first establish his 100% nature then he can be something else. It is why him campaigning this cycle is important to his future success.

Trump before 2016 was a businessman. Was an entertainer (tv show, many references in tv shows and movies, interviews). Then he added in some fighting and general republican ideas. To some people he is a businessman. An outsider. An entertainer. A republican. A populist. It is the quality of getting mass appeal.

---

This is a good point, except for that in bold. Trump is despised by many with very high negatives. He doesn't have mass appeal. He is massively divisive. Not what the conservative movement or the country needs at this point in history. I'll vote for him holding my nose with low expectations. We have to get the demcRats out this year before they totally wreck the country.

Cant believe so many cant understand this

---

It is a bit of a double edge sword. People can see you in a positive light, people can see you in a negative light.

What 2020 did was crank up depression among the general populace to level 12/13 (out of 10). People were scared, afraid, alone. That impacted how they could imagine someone that has more of a many hats personality than a single hat. It would be negative matching their present emotional state. The problem is that people can get over that and the higher you crank up fear, the more significant the backlash can be. The democrats won't have that option in the playbook because fear also calls for change and so it would backfire against the incumbent party. So baring some major event the tide is flipping to Trump.

Ill quote again the Right Track/ Wrong Track polls. The best indicator of a flip in election cycle for president. In 2020, WT > RT. As in 2016. As in 2008. In 2024 it is WT > RT. The signs point to hope.



2020 37% RT, 63% WT.
2024 current polls: 30% RT, 70% WT.

Fun fact Bush & Bush Sr. are responsible for the -58 and -65 RT/WT splits that led to Clinton then Obama

---

Good points and good info. This is how you make a good case. The most important thing for voters like me is to get the rats out of DC and deweaponize Fed Agencies. If Trump can show he means to do these things and put America first--even over himself then he has my support. If he is in it for the sake of his ego or governs based on his ego he can kiss ass.

I want to trust the dude but not there yet. That said Trump is a million times better than Biden or any demrat but thats not saying much. I hope this changes.

---

I invite you to take a step back.
What emotions do you feel when posting on Texags or reading F16? For most of my posting history the answer is cynicism, superiority, and despair. This place was a source of information but it also was the place I went to to vent my frustrations and my fears. Outside of those who only use it as a news source, this is a place conservative people go to vent fears and frustrations. People are scared. People who like freedom and don't want us to be a progressive crap hole are scared.

Admittedly I'm scared. Admittedly I vent frustration and fear. I hope though that I can occasionally find courage to bring light. To offer reasons of hope. Provide glimpses of avenues of victory. Give context that puts it into perspective. Perhaps I fail 90% of the time. But that 10% of success is worth it.

Why does that matter? It matters because you can't expect people to be super rational in their posting. They aren't trying to change your mind they are just hoping to cast out their stress and anxiety onto F16 and begone with it. So you largely need to shift through most posts that counter you as being that of someone not in a good, healthy headspace. So yeah most arguments suck BUT that doesn't mean the case they are trying to make is wrong. It just means the argument sucks.

I'd love to lay out this great case as to why Trump puts America first. How even if he puts himself first his axe to grind for a personal vendetta would be as close to a 1 circle venn diagram as you could get. But I know I'll fail. I've tried plenty of times with plenty of people. Which means I am either wrong, I am not persuasive or the person needs a change of heart first. He/She needs to desire courage and optimism. That doesn't mean don't be skeptical. That doesn't mean don't roll your eyes at stupid takes. It just means you have to trust that even a Samaritan can be a hero of a story. It is your job to make sure that you be a bigger hero and better example to those around you so that he is not emulated.

---

Interesting. As of late, I'll be honest, I post because I am angry. The nation I love is being sold out and slowly killed before my eyes. This, after along with God and family, being so good to me personally. So I guess I fall under the 'vent frustrations' category of poster. In 1980, the year I first voted, I was then angry seeing the humiliation of the Iran Hostage crises and the Russian invasion of Afghanistan as America was at her low point. Then Reagan wins and changes the trajectory. So much so the wall fell only nine years later and the USSR 2 years after that. Those glorious victories defined my age group. Amazing times

2024 is not much different. The same rats are wrecking the country and along comes a guy from Fla that has leadership factor to potentially do what Reagan did. But no, we are likely to pick an overly emotional and impulsive 80 year-old geriatric . So yeah, most arguments for this, given the high stakes, suck for this is clearly not the Samaritan that can be the hero, that requires a work ethic, wisdom, and the humility to listen to others.

I feel we are making a huge mistake-- thus the anger and frustration. For the record, I hope you are right and I wrong. If so I'll eat my crow. And if Trump is successful, delightfully so.

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To be fair, a large number of his supporters are also overly emotional and impulsive when it comes to him.