737 Max in the news again

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Imagine being in the seat beside that.
FTAG 2000
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Kind of looks like some dip**** pulled the handle on emergency door mid flight. 24 hour rule in effect
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https://apnews.com/article/boeing-exemption-safety-rules-max-10be423759080f64d4418019e4e4874d

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Updated 9:40 PM EST, January 5, 2024

DALLAS (AP) Boeing is asking federal regulators to exempt a new model of its 737 Max airliner from a safety standard designed to prevent part of the engine housing from overheating and breaking off during flight.

Federal officials said last year that Boeing was working to fix the hazard on current Max planes. In the meantime, they told pilots to limit use of an anti-icing system in some conditions to avoid damage that "could result in loss of control of the airplane."

Without a fix ready, Boeing asked the Federal Aviation Administration last month for an exemption to safety standards related to engine inlets and the anti-ice system through May 2026. Boeing needs the exemption to begin delivering the new, smaller Max 7 to airlines.

Boeing said Friday that it is "developing a long-term solution" that would face FAA review.

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FTAG 2000 said:

Kind of looks like some dip**** pulled the handle on emergency door mid flight. 24 hour rule in effect


Talked to Boeing rep tonight (client). Confirmed this is an exit row window.

TBD if it blew out on its own or some drunk ass passenger pulled the red bar
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aTm2004 said:






Bet their DEI is on point though
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Looks well behind the wing. That model has two over wing exits per side. Doesn't look like the exit to me.
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Those are plug doors. There is NO WAY to open them mid-flight. Thousands of pounds of force on those doors when the cabin is pressurized.
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FTAG 2000 said:

FTAG 2000 said:

Kind of looks like some dip**** pulled the handle on emergency door mid flight. 24 hour rule in effect


Talked to Boeing rep tonight (client). Confirmed this is an exit row window.

TBD if it blew out on its own or some drunk ass passenger pulled the red bar

Don't they open inwards? That shouldn't blow out like that regardless...
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Based on the thread on airliners.net, it is not an emergency exit, but is instead a "plugged exit" - one that is not operational. A plug is installed prior to going in service. Clearly an issue with the install.
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Well that would explain it
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Aggie Jurist said:

Based on the thread on airliners.net, it is not an emergency exit, but is instead a "plugged exit" - one that is not operational. A plug is installed prior to going in service. Clearly an issue with the install.
Yep, someone screwed up the installation of the plug, or the plug itself had a defect.

It wasn't a "window" like the media is claiming, nor any evidence it is a design problem.

It also has nothing to do with the safety waver.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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FTAG 2000 said:

Kind of looks like some dip**** pulled the handle on emergency door mid flight. 24 hour rule in effect


Is that even possible? There HAS to be some sort of fail safe for this, but I honestly don't know.
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Airbus is far superior than Boeing. No question about that now.

Boeing and American civil aviation has really lost their way.
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Aggie Jurist said:

Those are plug doors. There is NO WAY to open them mid-flight. Thousands of pounds of force on those doors when the cabin is pressurized.


Yep. Confirmed from boeing friend. Way more to come. A mess at the moment.
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Bubblez said:

Airbus is far superior than Boeing. No question about that now.

Boeing and American civil aviation has really lost their way.
Air France 447 says hold my beer.
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Eff all that.
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FTAG 2000 said:

Kind of looks like some dip**** pulled the handle on emergency door mid flight. 24 hour rule in effect

Thought that wasn't possible
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Puts on Boeing
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I thought it wasn't either, the amount of air pressure is to heavy for some idiot to open the door mid air
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FTAG 2000 said:

FTAG 2000 said:

Kind of looks like some dip**** pulled the handle on emergency door mid flight. 24 hour rule in effect


Talked to Boeing rep tonight (client). Confirmed this is an exit row window.

TBD if it blew out on its own or some drunk ass passenger pulled the red bar


Wait…there are emergency exit doors passengers can just open at full altitude? No way. I'm never flying again if that's the case, with the way society is headed.
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It's an extra exit for regulatory compliance for high density passenger aircraft - not required if you don't have a certain number of seats on the aircraft.

And Superman could not have opened that mid flight (though maybe chuck norris)

Most likely it was installed wrong after a safety check. Not a fleet wide issue IMO.

Waiting 24 hrs for facts
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BG Knocc Out said:

Wait…there are emergency exit doors passengers can just open at full altitude?
No.

Somewhere on the assembly line, either a defective part was used or a tech screwed up.
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This is what happens when you change company culture focused of delivering best product to maximizing profit for shareholders
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bjorn said:

This is what happens when you change company culture focused of delivering best product to maximizing profit for shareholders

No, this is what happens when you hire unqualified workers based on anything and everything other than their ability to preform the job.
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the MAX also had some forced maintenance recall in the last few weeks over a series of screws that needed to be retightened.
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Boeng's QC has been in shambles for the past few years, at least on the military side. The KC-46 program was/is a disaster, and their ongoing production of current aircraft is plagued by quality issues on the assembly line.

Here's an article from 2019:
Boeing is close to shut down KC-46A assembly line due to tools and debris found inside completed aircraft
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As reported by The Seattle Times, the Feb. 21 memo said new KC-46As being delivered to the U.S. Air Force has been found with loose tools and bits of debris inside the aircraft. "We have USAF pilots here for flight training and they will not fly due to the FOD (foreign object debris) issues and the current confidence they have in our product that has been discovered throughout the aircraft," it pointed out.
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Noteworthy as we have reported, last year the Pentagon faulted Boeing for continuing quality, management and other deficiencies in the production of F-15s and F/A-18 fighters at its St Louis production facility.

Undelivered aircraft have been found with missing, backwards and out-of-specification fasteners. Jets under assembly are inadvertently damaged when they hit maintenance work stands or other equipment on the floor.

It would not surprise me at all if these issues migrated over to the civilian side as well. Sad state for the builder of some of the greatest airplanes in history.
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Go woke, it broke

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Ag with kids said:

Bubblez said:

Airbus is far superior than Boeing. No question about that now.

Boeing and American civil aviation has really lost their way.
Air France 447 says hold my beer.


That was almost 15 years ago.
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The fuselage comes from a sub located in the Midwest
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Over the last few years I've switched from preferring window seats to preferring aisle seats. I know events like this are super rare, but they still freak me out.
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Never worked 73 - this is - Section 45? I think Spirit Aerosystems manufactures that section.

Not sure if plugged is installed by Spirit, Boeing, or a sub doing finish out work.
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FTAG 2000 said:

Aggie Jurist said:

Those are plug doors. There is NO WAY to open them mid-flight. Thousands of pounds of force on those doors when the cabin is pressurized.


Yep. Confirmed from boeing friend. Way more to come. A mess at the moment.
Yes. This was manufactured somehow wrong. The plane was like a month old and the whole plug flew out. Fortunately because it's a plugged emergency exit door no one could be seated next to it anyway, fwiw. There were apparently some intermittent pressurization errors the previous few days on this plane, so they took it off their ETOPS route by maintenance rule (extended twin overwater flying).

Presumably the plug was leaking around the seals already so it sounds like it simply wasn't produced in correctly. The bolts themselves wouldn't have pressure on them when pressurized so it's pretty bizarre.



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The fuselage comes from a sub located in the Midwest

Yes.....Spirit - what used to be the Wichita Boeing plant where my father and my grandfather both worked.
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