It's happening... backlash against tipping

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"The Tipping Backlash Has Begun

As of November, service-sector workers in nonrestaurant jobs made 7% less in tips than a year ago

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People are cutting back on tipping, frustrated by ubiquitous requests for gratuities.

As of November, service-sector workers in nonrestaurant leisure and hospitality jobs made $1.28 an hour in tips, on average, down 7% from the $1.38 an hour they made a year prior. "




It was inevitable imo. Because of the over the top "tip me" mentality, they've hurt those who really need and deserve tips.
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I am a traditional 20%+ tipper who has cut back because of this garbage.
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Sharpshooter said:

I am a traditional 20%+ tipper who has cut back because of this garbage.
Hard to justify 20% tipping when the cost to eat out is up 50%-75%
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I never bought into the added tipping for all of the "new" places so I haven't cut back.

But dang it is out of hand!
TRADUCTOR
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It's the Third World culture who never tips infecting American culture
GAC06
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Lots of first world places where tipping isn't really a thing. Tipping is a stupid custom as it exists here.
aggiez03
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Ordered some hardware from a small WiFi type company out of Florida ONLINE last week and they had an option to tip the staff during checkout. I never talked or chatted with a live person the 5 minutes I was on there.

Question during checkout was like 'would you like to tip the staff who process your order?'

Never seen that before!
hoosier-daddy
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I have 3 little kids. I tip very well when the family dines out.
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TRADUCTOR said:

It's the Third World culture who never tips infecting American culture
Actually the opposite. I've been to several 3rd world countries, and tipping is much more common there than places in Europe, or in Japan.
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Pretty sure that's what the H is for in S&H charges.

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If you think about it, we're all being asked to tip our Aggie Athletes as well.
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Ordered a pizza today that I picked up.

Kindly went with 0% tip when prompted by the online ordering system.
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Here's the problem I have with the way many of these places do tipping:

They want me to tip BEFORE I taste or use their product. I don't mind tipping as a reward for good service or a delicious meal. But too many times I have been asked to tip (Starbucks for example) before I have even had a sip of coffee.

I understand why people are getting fed up with this.
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I'm picking up more and I don't tip when I pick up. Going out to eat and paying 50% more than it used to be plus a 20% tip gets damn pricey and now they are starting to ask for 25%.

In Austin I know it isn't unusual for a waiter at a good restaurant to make strong 6 figures. Sorry but that's crazy. It's part of why some Gen Z folks complain about what they make out of school. I mean it's not hard to make $50-75k iwaiting tables or bartending as a 20 something or more. Unless you have a really marketable degree you will be lucky to make that.

I don't know what the end solution is but I cook at home more now than ever.
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Yeah, it's a shame when people make good money at their jobs.
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BBRex said:

Yeah, it's a shame when people make good money at their jobs.


It's a shame when strawmen are posted.
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hoosier-daddy said:

I have 3 little kids. I tip very well when the family dines out.

That's fantastic. Clearly this doesn't relate to dining out (where someone actually waits on you to earn the tip), but good job! Pat on the back to you!
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Jeff84 said:

Here's the problem I have with the way many of these places do tipping:

They want me to tip BEFORE I taste or use their product. I don't mind tipping as a reward for good service or a delicious meal. But too many times I have been asked to tip (Starbucks for example) before I have even had a sip of coffee.

I understand why people are getting fed up with this.

You have to tip according to their service. If they want a tip before providing service then you'd have to tip them 0%
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FbgTxAg said:

If you think about it, we're all being asked to tip our Aggie Athletes as well.


Final game at Kyle, I paid about $20 for a water and a popcorn at a self-service concessions stand. The iPad checkout thing asked if I wanted to tip and 20% was highlightedthat's four freaking dollars! More than the water and popcorn should have cost!!! I turned to the "supervisor" kid and told him I thought that was ridiculous. He said, "please don't tip. We don't see a dime of that money!" The concessions company levy was pocketing the tips!!! Don't tip at Kyle Field!
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The credit card machine at Little Caesar's today prompted me for a tip. Of course, I didn't give one.
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GAC06 said:

Lots of first world places where tipping isn't really a thing. Tipping is a stupid custom as it exists here.
Indeed. Tipping long ago ceased to be a reward for good service, and became a scheme for restaurant owners to make their customers pay most of their waiters' wages so they don't have to.

Europe got this one right. Even other industries in the US did. You don't tip your cashier at HEB. You don't tip the guy who measures your foot size at the shoe store. Why should restaurants be any different? Pay your damn workers instead of asking us to. Leave tipping culture to the strip clubs.
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aggiez03 said:

Ordered some hardware from a small WiFi type company out of Florida ONLINE last week and they had an option to tip the staff during checkout. I never talked or chatted with a live person the 5 minutes I was on there.

Question during checkout was like 'would you like to tip the staff who process your order?'

Never seen that before!


better tip or they will spit on your hardware
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I tip big. like at the local taco shop $5 $10 min even if that's 50% or more. Routinely at a restaurant 30% is my floor. I feel like it means more to the server than it does to me.

However (comma) tipping is meant for server employees that make the $2.13 allowed by law (Texas) for employees who work for tips. For counter service who are paid minimum wage or more, I'll throw a couple bucks, but no more. It's gotten out of hand, at this point I'll click the 0% button even if they're watching.
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cecil77 said:

I tip big. like at the local taco shop $5 $10 min even if that's 50% or more. Routinely at a restaurant 30% is my floor. I feel like it means more to the server than it does to me.

However (comma) tipping is meant for server employees that make the $2.13 allowed by law (Texas) for employees who work for tips. For counter service who are paid minimum wage or more, I'll throw a couple bucks, but no more. It's gotten out of hand, at this point I'll click the 0% button even if they're watching.


I'm the same. I only tip servers making the $2.13. Anyone that's making minimum wage or higher isn't getting tipped.

To me, that would be like tipping every cashier I deal with on a daily basis, and that's never happened and never will.
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Fightin_Aggie said:

Sharpshooter said:

I am a traditional 20%+ tipper who has cut back because of this garbage.
Hard to justify 20% tipping when the cost to eat out is up 50%-75%


Then don't eat out. The increased cost has nothing to do with the restaurant staff. It's the idiot in the White House.
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GAC06 said:

Lots of first world places where tipping isn't really a thing. Tipping is a stupid custom as it exists here.



Tipping is an opportunity to help those in need. It is better to give than receive.
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Tipping servers at restaurants needs to be done. Tips are where they make most/all of their money. However, I went to Santa's Wonderland in BCS earlier this December and every time I paid for anything, there was an option to tip. The tip suggestion went all the way up to 30%!! Sorry, you aren't getting any tip from me when you are already getting paid an hourly wage. Should be the case in all situations.


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ban tipping.

everywhere.
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I thoroughly enjoy hitting the "no tip" button at Starbucks and now Jimmy John's.
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JohnnyStatueNow said:

Tipping servers at restaurants needs to be done. Tips are where they make most/all of their money. However, I went to Santa's Wonderland in BCS earlier this December and every time I paid for anything, there was an option to tip. The tip suggestion went all the way up to 30%!! Sorry, you aren't getting any tip from me when you are already getting paid an hourly wage. Should be the case in all situations.





For me it has nothing to do with hourly wage. I don't tip unless I'm being waited on/served. If you're doing a job that could have just as easily been a self-checkout, why on earth would you get a tip.

If a server does the bare minimum, my bare minimum tip is around 10%, if they do great they get 20. That's how this should work, you earn a tip with great service, not by ringing up my cheeseburger order
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I would be in favor of a tip disclosure law where a business asking for a tip must disclose the percentage of employees paid as tipped employees.
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BonfireNerd04 said:

GAC06 said:

Lots of first world places where tipping isn't really a thing. Tipping is a stupid custom as it exists here.
Indeed. Tipping long ago ceased to be a reward for good service, and became a scheme for restaurant owners to make their customers pay most of their waiters' wages so they don't have to.

Europe got this one right. Even other industries in the US did. You don't tip your cashier at HEB. You don't tip the guy who measures your foot size at the shoe store. Why should restaurants be any different? Pay your damn workers instead of asking us to. Leave tipping culture to the strip clubs.


I'd like to see this change but when it happens the restaurant owners either takes a cut in profits or raises prices. I don't see the former happening.

Of all the things I feel like I wasted money on in my life, 80% of dining out fast food purchases are near the top of the list.
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jja79 said:

Fightin_Aggie said:

Sharpshooter said:

I am a traditional 20%+ tipper who has cut back because of this garbage.
Hard to justify 20% tipping when the cost to eat out is up 50%-75%


Then don't eat out. The increased cost has nothing to do with the restaurant staff. It's the idiot in the White House.


Ah yes, don't enjoy the fruits of your labor peasant. You must tip a fixed percentage, even if it means paying someone more per hour than you make because the food cost has arbitrarily shot up.
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If I am picking up an order, 10%. Rarely dine out since I mostly eat in my truck while working or at home, if I do, 20% to bartender or server. Deliver 20-25% dependent upon receipt of order.

If service is below average, above numbers decrease.
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TexAgs91 said:

Jeff84 said:

Here's the problem I have with the way many of these places do tipping:

They want me to tip BEFORE I taste or use their product. I don't mind tipping as a reward for good service or a delicious meal. But too many times I have been asked to tip (Starbucks for example) before I have even had a sip of coffee.

I understand why people are getting fed up with this.

You have to tip according to their service. If they want a tip before providing service then you'd have to tip them 0%
It's a psychological game. At my favorite coffee shop, you order your coffee and then she flips over the iPad to complete your transaction. Then there are the tip choices. I like this place and the people and immediately feel like I have to tip so I typically do.
Also, when I order pickup or delivery I feel like if I don't tip they're going to mess with my food.
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