https://www.lpj.org/posts/gaza-16th-december-2023.html

7 others in the parish compound were also wounded and earlier an IDF tank attacked a convent.

Please pray for an end to the destruction in the holy land, and the softening of the Israeli heart. It seems "we must destroy Hamas" has turned into "kill anyone who looks like them". This is especially true after they just killed three of their own hostages waving white flags.

Is this like the rockets Israel fired at the hospital killing thousands?

I personally pray for the softening of the hearts of those who cook babies in ovens while raping their mothers.

Eso si, Que es said:

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Is this like the rockets Israel fired at the hospital killing thousands?

I personally pray for the softening of the hearts of those who cook babies in ovens while raping their mothers.

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I'm not sure what sort of false equivalence you're trying to draw here. Two Catholic women at a Catholic Church were killed by a sniper today. This isn't some media story to make Israel look bad, this is from the local Catholic Bishop.

I'd put the odds this was Hamas doing this over the IDF at 100 to 1. There is zero benefit for the Israelis to do this but lots of benefit for Hamas to claim Israel did it.

Terminus Est said:

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Eso si, Que es said:

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Is this like the rockets Israel fired at the hospital killing thousands?

I personally pray for the softening of the hearts of those who cook babies in ovens while raping their mothers.

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I'm not sure what sort of false equivalence you're trying to draw here.

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You're drawing a false equivalency, and accusing others of doing so.

Your thread fails. Bigly.

ETA: you'll stay silent when Israeli children are kidnapped, murdered, or worse; but shout from the rooftop the second Israel has an accident.

It's war, accidents happen.

Terminus Est said:

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Eso si, Que es said:

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Is this like the rockets Israel fired at the hospital killing thousands?

I personally pray for the softening of the hearts of those who cook babies in ovens while raping their mothers.

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I'm not sure what sort of false equivalence you're trying to draw here. Two Catholic women at a Catholic Church were killed by a sniper today. This isn't some media story to make Israel look bad, this is from the local Catholic Bishop.

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Now do Christians killed by Islamist.

I'm not sure what sort of false equivalence you're trying to draw here by pointing this out. What if the Sniper were Hamas? What if this didn't happen? What if this was an error by the soldier. One thing I do know, THE IDF doesn't target Christians and to say they do tells me you are either horribly misinformed or are anti-semetic trying to stir a pot.

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Terminus Est said:

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Eso si, Que es said:

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Is this like the rockets Israel fired at the hospital killing thousands?

I personally pray for the softening of the hearts of those who cook babies in ovens while raping their mothers.

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I'm not sure what sort of false equivalence you're trying to draw here. Two Catholic women at a Catholic Church were killed by a sniper today. This isn't some media story to make Israel look bad, this is from the local Catholic Bishop.

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Now do Christians killed by Islamist.

'm not sure what sort of false equivalence you're trying to draw here by pointing this out. What if the Sniper were Hamas? What if this didn't happen? What if this was an error by the soldier. One thing I do know, THE IDF doesn't t target Christians and to say they do tells me you are either horribly misinformed or are anti-semetic trying to stir a pot.

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I would feel a lot more strongly about your "the IDF doesn't target Christians" if they hadn't just killed two Christian women at a Catholic Church and used a tank to attack a convent. Of course this is from Cardinal Pizzaballa, the same guy offering himself to Hamas in exchange for the release of the hostages, maybe he has an agenda

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I'd put the odds this was Hamas doing this over the IDF at 100 to 1. There is zero benefit for the Israelis to do this but lots of benefit for Hamas to claim Israel did it.

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Yes His Eminence is just making all this up and the IDF has never attacked and killed civilians. They would never do anything like that ever. Surely wouldn't have just shot 3 of their own hostages waving a white flag and admitting the whole affair. Nope, never.

I would like to know how they know it was an IDF sniper.

Snipers aren't exactly known for advertising their presence and identity.

The bishop is a man, full of all the same vices, foibles and biases as any other human. The statement alone with no evidence means practically nothing.

Now, if an IDF sniper did in fact murder two innocent women inside the bounds of a Catholic church, he/she should be charged and held to account.

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I would like to know how they know it was an IDF sniper.

Snipers aren't exactly known for advertising their presence and identity.

The bishop is a man, full of all the same vices, foibles and biases as any other human. The statement alone with no evidence means practically nothing.

Now, if an IDF sniper did in fact murder two innocent women inside the bounds of a Catholic church, he/she should be charged and held to account.

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Well apparently there are tanks operating in the area. It's not like the IDF is very subtle about these sorts of operations.

I assumed Pizzaballa was a YouTube channel.
That's a real Bishop's name?

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aggie93 said:

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I'd put the odds this was Hamas doing this over the IDF at 100 to 1. There is zero benefit for the Israelis to do this but lots of benefit for Hamas to claim Israel did it.

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Yes His Eminence is just making all this up and the IDF has never attacked and killed civilians. They would never do anything like that ever. Surely wouldn't have just shot 3 of their own hostages waving a white flag and admitting the whole affair. Nope, never.

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Oh, Israel is more than capable of doing terrible things. I know about the USS Liberty. They just tend to do those things when they are in their interest to do so. There is nothing for Israel to gain by killing Christians in Gaza in a church. There is a LOT to gain by Hamas to accuse Israel of killing Christians in a church though. That's my point.

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I assumed Pizzaballa was a YouTube channel.
That's a real Bishop's name?

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Yes, Cardinal Pizzaballa the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem

Terminus Est said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Terminus Est said:

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Eso si, Que es said:

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Is this like the rockets Israel fired at the hospital killing thousands?

I personally pray for the softening of the hearts of those who cook babies in ovens while raping their mothers.

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I'm not sure what sort of false equivalence you're trying to draw here. Two Catholic women at a Catholic Church were killed by a sniper today. This isn't some media story to make Israel look bad, this is from the local Catholic Bishop.

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Now do Christians killed by Islamist.

'm not sure what sort of false equivalence you're trying to draw here by pointing this out. What if the Sniper were Hamas? What if this didn't happen? What if this was an error by the soldier. One thing I do know, THE IDF doesn't t target Christians and to say they do tells me you are either horribly misinformed or are anti-semetic trying to stir a pot.

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I would feel a lot more strongly about your "the IDF doesn't target Christians" if they hadn't just killed two Christian women at a Catholic Church and used a tank to attack a convent. Of course this is from Cardinal Pizzaballa, the same guy offering himself to Hamas in exchange for the release of the hostages, maybe he has an agenda

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You must think friendly fire incidents are intentional as well.

You are naive. War is dirty and unintentional casualties happen all the time. That doesn't mean Christians were intentionally targeted.

And how exactly do you think a Cardinal or some women are able to correctly identify the identity of a sniper. Do you think they can effectively identify IDF from Hamas at 100 yds? 200? 300? Good luck with that.

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RebelE Infantry said:

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aggie93 said:

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I'd put the odds this was Hamas doing this over the IDF at 100 to 1. There is zero benefit for the Israelis to do this but lots of benefit for Hamas to claim Israel did it.

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Yes His Eminence is just making all this up and the IDF has never attacked and killed civilians. They would never do anything like that ever. Surely wouldn't have just shot 3 of their own hostages waving a white flag and admitting the whole affair. Nope, never.

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Oh, Israel is more than capable of doing terrible things. I know about the USS Liberty. They just tend to do those things when they are in their interest to do so. There is nothing for Israel to gain by killing Christians in Gaza in a church. There is a LOT to gain by Hamas to accuse Israel of killing Christians in a church though. That's my point.

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Based on the tenor of statements by Israeli officials regarding Gaza, I'm not entirely convinced that they care who is what and what is to gain by killing this Palestinian or that. Christians are spat upon as a matter of course in Israel proper, what makes you think the IDF cares one way or the other about them in Gaza itself?

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I would like to know how they know it was an IDF sniper.

Snipers aren't exactly known for advertising their presence and identity.

The bishop is a man, full of all the same vices, foibles and biases as any other human. The statement alone with no evidence means practically nothing.

Now, if an IDF sniper did in fact murder two innocent women inside the bounds of a Catholic church, he/she should be charged and held to account.

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It's the JEWS don't you know.

I know the Catholic Church has long been a staunch ally and proponent of Judaism...but.

Terminus Est said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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I assumed Pizzaballa was a YouTube channel.
That's a real Bishop's name?

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Yes, Cardinal Pizzaballa the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem

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Best Italian name ever!

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Terminus Est said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Terminus Est said:

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Eso si, Que es said:

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Is this like the rockets Israel fired at the hospital killing thousands?

I personally pray for the softening of the hearts of those who cook babies in ovens while raping their mothers.

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I'm not sure what sort of false equivalence you're trying to draw here. Two Catholic women at a Catholic Church were killed by a sniper today. This isn't some media story to make Israel look bad, this is from the local Catholic Bishop.

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Now do Christians killed by Islamist.

'm not sure what sort of false equivalence you're trying to draw here by pointing this out. What if the Sniper were Hamas? What if this didn't happen? What if this was an error by the soldier. One thing I do know, THE IDF doesn't t target Christians and to say they do tells me you are either horribly misinformed or are anti-semetic trying to stir a pot.

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I would feel a lot more strongly about your "the IDF doesn't target Christians" if they hadn't just killed two Christian women at a Catholic Church and used a tank to attack a convent. Of course this is from Cardinal Pizzaballa, the same guy offering himself to Hamas in exchange for the release of the hostages, maybe he has an agenda

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You must think friendly fire incidents are intentional as well.

You are naive. War is dirty and unintentional casualties happen all the time. That doesn't mean Christians were intentionally targeted.

And how exactly do you think a Cardinal or some women are able to correctly identify the identity of a sniper. Do you think they can effectively identify IDF from Hamas at 100 yds? 200? 300? Good luck with that.

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You think 9 people in the only Catholic Church in Gaza were somehow accidentally targeted?

So we confirmed that 3 hostages were unfortunately killed in the fog of war and a sniper killed two innocents/tank allegedly fired on a convent. Yet we have 10/7, thousands of missiles fired indiscriminately, 100s of cases of using mosques, schools, and hospitals, and plenty of false flag reports already.

I'm giving this 72+ hours and even then a lot of patience and understanding of what the IDF is up against.

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aggie93 said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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aggie93 said:

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I'd put the odds this was Hamas doing this over the IDF at 100 to 1. There is zero benefit for the Israelis to do this but lots of benefit for Hamas to claim Israel did it.

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Yes His Eminence is just making all this up and the IDF has never attacked and killed civilians. They would never do anything like that ever. Surely wouldn't have just shot 3 of their own hostages waving a white flag and admitting the whole affair. Nope, never.

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Oh, Israel is more than capable of doing terrible things. I know about the USS Liberty. They just tend to do those things when they are in their interest to do so. There is nothing for Israel to gain by killing Christians in Gaza in a church. There is a LOT to gain by Hamas to accuse Israel of killing Christians in a church though. That's my point.

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Based on the tenor of statements by Israeli officials regarding Gaza, I'm not entirely convinced that they care who is what and what is to gain by killing this Palestinian or that. Christians are spat upon as a matter of course in Israel proper, what makes you think the IDF cares one way or the other about them in Gaza itself?

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I think they care about a US reaction. I also think there is nothing to gain by it. I mean I can't prove or disprove it, it just doesn't make much sense. I could definitely see why Hamas would want for that to be the story though as they do have something to gain. It's not like Christians are treated well in Muslim areas either.

I absolutely believe that Hamas will do anything and see nothing wrong with lying and murder of non Muslims and very little problem with doing it to Muslims. It is a truly evil organization.

According to the official news source of Vatican City, the IDF has justified the attack saying there was a missile launcher inside the Church.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/world/news/2023-12/in-gaza-israelis-attack-holy-family-parish-two-women-killed.html

OP:

Please show us your posts condemning the Hamas murders of 1200 + innocents. They did not target the IDF installations other than one small outposts. They targeted civilians. They tortured women and children.

Please OP, show us your TexAgs posts condemning these atrocities.

Central Committee said:

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OP:

Please show us your posts condemning the Hamas murders of 1200 + innocents. They did not target the IDF installations other than one small outposts. They targeted civilians. They tortured women and children.

Please OP, show us your TexAgs posts condemning these atrocities.

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I condemn the murder of any and all innocents. What does that have to do with this?

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Central Committee said:

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OP:

Please show us your posts condemning the Hamas murders of 1200 + innocents. They did not target the IDF installations other than one small outposts. They targeted civilians. They tortured women and children.

Please OP, show us your TexAgs posts condemning these atrocities.

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I condemn the murder of any and all innocents. What does that have to do with this?

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It's a very low IQ argument of "you didn't explicitly condemn bad thing A did to B so you're not allowed to condemn bad thing B does."

Terminus Est said:

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Central Committee said:

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OP:

Please show us your posts condemning the Hamas murders of 1200 + innocents. They did not target the IDF installations other than one small outposts. They targeted civilians. They tortured women and children.

Please OP, show us your TexAgs posts condemning these atrocities.

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I condemn the murder of any and all innocents. What does that have to do with this?

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You can condemn it until the cows come home. It makes no difference to Hamas. They use tactics that put innocents in grave danger...even the Christians there. There is no uniform or identity worn by these savages. Everyone is a threat. This is why civilians were told to gtfo of Gaza. Israel is not playing politics anymore.

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According to the official news source of Vatican City, the IDF has justified the attack saying there was a missile launcher inside the Church.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/world/news/2023-12/in-gaza-israelis-attack-holy-family-parish-two-women-killed.html

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The fog of war has claimed more victims. If only Hamas would fight like men, instead of hiding in hospitals, mosques and Christian churches, these killings could be avoided.

Wow. Going low with personal attack.

Perhaps my question was too nuanced for some (see, I can do that too). The point is that a lot of people on social media have been silent on the Hamas atrocities but are coming out against the response from Israel, and antisemitism is behind a lot of it. OP is a brand new poster and I was wondering where he/she stands.

I will be very plain about my view. What Hamas did was horrific and Israel has every right to defend its people. For those on F16 who oppose Israel's response I have a simple question: what if Hamas did this to YOUR community and YOUR family? I would bring all the fire of hell against those responsible. I would mourn the loss of innocent life but be confident my cause was just.

Why do our resident Christian totalitarians hate Israel and basically support Hamas, some even openly?

Rapier108 said:

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Why do our resident Christian totalitarians hate Israel and basically support Hamas, some even openly?

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The enemy of my enemy is my friend?

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Why do our resident Christian totalitarians hate Israel and basically support Hamas, some even openly?

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Because their false replacement theology breeds a loathing for the Jews. When you strip away God's love of the Jews, you're left hating them like every other group for all of human history.

It's not unique to them. They just mistakenly believe they are righteous in their beliefs.

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Rapier108 said:

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Why do our resident Christian totalitarians hate Israel and basically support Hamas, some even openly?

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The enemy of my enemy is my friend?

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Perhaps, but they also see a theocracy as their ideal society, where anyone can be summarily killed for any moral fault or not following their religion, same as Muslims.

Rapier108 said:

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Why do our resident Christian totalitarians hate Israel and basically support Hamas, some even openly?

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They are the well behaved infidels.

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Wow. Going low with personal attack.

Perhaps my question was too nuanced for some (see, I can do that too). The point is that a lot of people on social media have been silent on the Hamas atrocities but are coming out against the response from Israel, and antisemitism is behind a lot of it. OP is a brand new poster and I was wondering where he/she stands.

I will be very plain about my view. What Hamas did was horrific and Israel has every right to defend its people. For those on F16 who oppose Israel's response I have a simple question: what if Hamas did this to YOUR community and YOUR family? I would bring all the fire of hell against those responsible. I would mourn the loss of innocent life but be confident my cause was just.

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What does this have to do with shooting two women in a church and attacking a convent?

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UAS Ag said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Why do our resident Christian totalitarians hate Israel and basically support Hamas, some even openly?

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The enemy of my enemy is my friend?

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Perhaps, but they also see a theocracy as their ideal society, where anyone can be summarily killed for any moral fault or not following their religion, same as Muslims.

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If you will it, then it is no dream
-Theodor Herzl, founder of modern Zionism

The Israeli soldiers will be punished. The Hamas terrorists that raped and tortured women and children were celebrated. That's the difference.

I wish the violence would stop just like you. I lament the loss of innocent Palestinian women and children even though Hamas does not. But I refuse to condemn the IDF for doing what I would do as well - prosecute a war against an enemy that wants to eradicate the Israelis as a people, and have done everything possible to do just that.

I am disgusted by the level of antisemitism in our own country and in Europe. They should certainly know better, and obviously did not learn their lesson in WWII.