Central Committee said:

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The Israeli soldiers will be punished. The Hamas terrorists that raped and tortured women and children were celebrated. That's the difference.

I wish the violence would stop just like you. I lament the loss of innocent Palestinian women and children even though Hamas does not. But I refuse to condemn the IDF for doing what I would do as well - prosecute a war against an enemy that wants to eradicate the Israelis as a people, and have done everything possible to do just that.

I am disgusted by the level of antisemitism in our own country and in Europe. They should certainly know better, and obviously did not learn their lesson in WWII.

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I don't care what Israel does to Hamas, wipe them off the face of the earth, however this isn't collateral damage. We're not talking about a bomb that veered off course or a missile strike with bad intel; we're talking about a sniper killing older women in a church, and then shooting others as they ran to help them, and then attacking a convent with a tank.

I have zero idea how anyone can think that's "prosecuting the war with Hamas"

Before passing judgment on a situation we know very little about right now, perhaps we give it a little time for facts to come out. Remember that alleged bombing of the hospital in the Gaza Strip that killed 500 innocent Palestinians? The one that never occurred?

Central Committee said:

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Before passing judgment on a situation we know very little about right now, perhaps we give it a little time for facts to come out. Remember that alleged bombing of the hospital in the Gaza Strip that killed 500 innocent Palestinians? The one that never occurred?

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Yes and I have zero trust for the media in this situation. I do however, trust Cardinal Pizzaballa who has thrust himself into the middle of this situation trying to protect the innocent on both sides

Central Committee said:

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The Israeli soldiers will be punished. The Hamas terrorists that raped and tortured women and children were celebrated. That's the difference.

I wish the violence would stop just like you. I lament the loss of innocent Palestinian women and children even though Hamas does not. But I refuse to condemn the IDF for doing what I would do as well - prosecute a war against an enemy that wants to eradicate the Israelis as a people, and have done everything possible to do just that.

I am disgusted by the level of antisemitism in our own country and in Europe. They should certainly know better, and obviously did not learn their lesson in WWII.

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It's not worth your time to argue with this guy. He's not seeking truth, just validation for his anti-Semitic narrative. Rational people know that the IDF is not intentionally and systematically targeting innocents Christians. Hell, they aren't even doing that to "innocent" Palestinians, who very well could be considered their enemies.

If it's true that a mistake was made and innocents were killed, that's a tragedy. It's not an indictment of the mission of the IDF or Israel's existential fight for survival. This guy just gets hot and bothered anytime some potentially bad news comes out against the IDF, regardless of the fact that mistakes have happened in every single war in human history.

Kvetch said:

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Central Committee said:

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The Israeli soldiers will be punished. The Hamas terrorists that raped and tortured women and children were celebrated. That's the difference.

I wish the violence would stop just like you. I lament the loss of innocent Palestinian women and children even though Hamas does not. But I refuse to condemn the IDF for doing what I would do as well - prosecute a war against an enemy that wants to eradicate the Israelis as a people, and have done everything possible to do just that.

I am disgusted by the level of antisemitism in our own country and in Europe. They should certainly know better, and obviously did not learn their lesson in WWII.

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It's not worth your time to argue with this guy. He's not seeking truth, just validation for his anti-Semitic narrative. Rational people know that the IDF is not intentionally and systematically targeting innocents Christians. Hell, they aren't even doing that to "innocent" Palestinians, who very well could be considered their enemies.

If it's true that a mistake was made and innocents were killed, that's a tragedy. It's not an indictment of the mission of the IDF or Israel's existential fight for survival. This guy just gets hot and bothered anytime some potentially bad news comes out against the IDF, regardless of the fact that mistakes have happened in every single war in human history.

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All true and you can easily see some of those that share the antisemitism. Its the usual far, far right suspects. its like a bat signal with this crowd.

I'm pretty far to the right myself on mostly eco issues but this group is an embarrassment.

Terminus Est said:

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Central Committee said:

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Before passing judgment on a situation we know very little about right now, perhaps we give it a little time for facts to come out. Remember that alleged bombing of the hospital in the Gaza Strip that killed 500 innocent Palestinians? The one that never occurred?

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Yes and I have zero trust for the media in this situation. I do however, trust Cardinal Pizzaballa who has thrust himself into the middle of this situation trying to protect the innocent on both sides

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And how does he know for sure that an IDF sniper DELIBERATELY targeted 2 Catholic women? Did he see him when he fired the shots?

Terminus Est said:

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Central Committee said:

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The Israeli soldiers will be punished. The Hamas terrorists that raped and tortured women and children were celebrated. That's the difference.

I wish the violence would stop just like you. I lament the loss of innocent Palestinian women and children even though Hamas does not. But I refuse to condemn the IDF for doing what I would do as well - prosecute a war against an enemy that wants to eradicate the Israelis as a people, and have done everything possible to do just that.

I am disgusted by the level of antisemitism in our own country and in Europe. They should certainly know better, and obviously did not learn their lesson in WWII.

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I don't care what Israel does to Hamas, wipe them off the face of the earth, however this isn't collateral damage. We're not talking about a bomb that veered off course or a missile strike with bad intel; we're talking about a sniper killing older women in a church, and then shooting others as they ran to help them, and then attacking a convent with a tank.

I have zero idea how anyone can think that's "prosecuting the war with Hamas"

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So what would be the motive or advantage to the IDF for this action? Surely there is a strategic or tactical Benefit right ?

What a load of crap. Your take fails the most basic of smell tests. Makes your motives seem very questionable.

There is a reason Bustup has had so many different accounts over the years.

ttu_85 said:

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Kvetch said:

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Central Committee said:

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The Israeli soldiers will be punished. The Hamas terrorists that raped and tortured women and children were celebrated. That's the difference.

I wish the violence would stop just like you. I lament the loss of innocent Palestinian women and children even though Hamas does not. But I refuse to condemn the IDF for doing what I would do as well - prosecute a war against an enemy that wants to eradicate the Israelis as a people, and have done everything possible to do just that.

I am disgusted by the level of antisemitism in our own country and in Europe. They should certainly know better, and obviously did not learn their lesson in WWII.

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It's not worth your time to argue with this guy. He's not seeking truth, just validation for his anti-Semitic narrative. Rational people know that the IDF is not intentionally and systematically targeting innocents Christians. Hell, they aren't even doing that to "innocent" Palestinians, who very well could be considered their enemies.

If it's true that a mistake was made and innocents were killed, that's a tragedy. It's not an indictment of the mission of the IDF or Israel's existential fight for survival. This guy just gets hot and bothered anytime some potentially bad news comes out against the IDF, regardless of the fact that mistakes have happened in every single war in human history.

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All true and you can easily see some of those that share the antisemitism. Its the usual far, far right suspects. its like a bat signal with this crowd.

I'm pretty far to the right myself on mostly eco issues but this group is an embarrassment.

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If it's antisemitic to be outraged over the slaughter of innocent Christians in the Holy Land, then call me Uncle Adolf.

You are Uncle Adolf.

RebelE Infantry said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Kvetch said:

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Central Committee said:

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The Israeli soldiers will be punished. The Hamas terrorists that raped and tortured women and children were celebrated. That's the difference.

I wish the violence would stop just like you. I lament the loss of innocent Palestinian women and children even though Hamas does not. But I refuse to condemn the IDF for doing what I would do as well - prosecute a war against an enemy that wants to eradicate the Israelis as a people, and have done everything possible to do just that.

I am disgusted by the level of antisemitism in our own country and in Europe. They should certainly know better, and obviously did not learn their lesson in WWII.

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It's not worth your time to argue with this guy. He's not seeking truth, just validation for his anti-Semitic narrative. Rational people know that the IDF is not intentionally and systematically targeting innocents Christians. Hell, they aren't even doing that to "innocent" Palestinians, who very well could be considered their enemies.

If it's true that a mistake was made and innocents were killed, that's a tragedy. It's not an indictment of the mission of the IDF or Israel's existential fight for survival. This guy just gets hot and bothered anytime some potentially bad news comes out against the IDF, regardless of the fact that mistakes have happened in every single war in human history.

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All true and you can easily see some of those that share the antisemitism. Its the usual far, far right suspects. its like a bat signal with this crowd.

I'm pretty far to the right myself on mostly eco issues but this group is an embarrassment.

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If it's antisemitic to be outraged over the slaughter of innocent Christians in the Holy Land, then call me Uncle Adolf.

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Speak of the Devil. I bet you were hoping this would be true with the IDF responsible. We all have posting histories and this sort of thing is far from your first rodeo. Do really think for one minute Israel would deliberately target Christians?

Its a friggin war zone. And if this is true it is a tragic mistake in the fog of war. Spare me your false outrage.

oh no, the solar panels

ttu_85 said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Kvetch said:

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Central Committee said:

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The Israeli soldiers will be punished. The Hamas terrorists that raped and tortured women and children were celebrated. That's the difference.

I wish the violence would stop just like you. I lament the loss of innocent Palestinian women and children even though Hamas does not. But I refuse to condemn the IDF for doing what I would do as well - prosecute a war against an enemy that wants to eradicate the Israelis as a people, and have done everything possible to do just that.

I am disgusted by the level of antisemitism in our own country and in Europe. They should certainly know better, and obviously did not learn their lesson in WWII.

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It's not worth your time to argue with this guy. He's not seeking truth, just validation for his anti-Semitic narrative. Rational people know that the IDF is not intentionally and systematically targeting innocents Christians. Hell, they aren't even doing that to "innocent" Palestinians, who very well could be considered their enemies.

If it's true that a mistake was made and innocents were killed, that's a tragedy. It's not an indictment of the mission of the IDF or Israel's existential fight for survival. This guy just gets hot and bothered anytime some potentially bad news comes out against the IDF, regardless of the fact that mistakes have happened in every single war in human history.

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All true and you can easily see some of those that share the antisemitism. Its the usual far, far right suspects. its like a bat signal with this crowd.

I'm pretty far to the right myself on mostly eco issues but this group is an embarrassment.

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If it's antisemitic to be outraged over the slaughter of innocent Christians in the Holy Land, then call me Uncle Adolf.

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Speak of the Devil. I bet you were hoping this would be true with the IDF responsible. We all have posting histories and this sort of thing is far from your first rodeo. Do really think for one minute Israel would deliberately target Christians?

Its a friggin war zone. And if this is true it is a tragic mistake in the fog of war. Spare me your false outrage.

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Yes, I believe that Israel would purposefully target Christians. Christians are attacked constantly in Israel, but in this case they are GAZANS and therefore have to be killed.

The Israeli's have shown time and time again that their MO is to shoot first and ask questions later. They did it when they attacked the USS Liberty, they did it when they shot three of their own hostages recently, and if the good Cardinal Pizzaballa can be believed, they did it again this morning and shot two Catholic women. This, coupled with their reliance on unguided bombs, lead me to believe they don't really care who they kill.

In case you have a short memory, they also killed 17 people at an Orthodox Church in an air strike in late October.

Terminus Est said:

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ttu_85 said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Kvetch said:

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Central Committee said:

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The Israeli soldiers will be punished. The Hamas terrorists that raped and tortured women and children were celebrated. That's the difference.

I wish the violence would stop just like you. I lament the loss of innocent Palestinian women and children even though Hamas does not. But I refuse to condemn the IDF for doing what I would do as well - prosecute a war against an enemy that wants to eradicate the Israelis as a people, and have done everything possible to do just that.

I am disgusted by the level of antisemitism in our own country and in Europe. They should certainly know better, and obviously did not learn their lesson in WWII.

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It's not worth your time to argue with this guy. He's not seeking truth, just validation for his anti-Semitic narrative. Rational people know that the IDF is not intentionally and systematically targeting innocents Christians. Hell, they aren't even doing that to "innocent" Palestinians, who very well could be considered their enemies.

If it's true that a mistake was made and innocents were killed, that's a tragedy. It's not an indictment of the mission of the IDF or Israel's existential fight for survival. This guy just gets hot and bothered anytime some potentially bad news comes out against the IDF, regardless of the fact that mistakes have happened in every single war in human history.

---

All true and you can easily see some of those that share the antisemitism. Its the usual far, far right suspects. its like a bat signal with this crowd.

I'm pretty far to the right myself on mostly eco issues but this group is an embarrassment.

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If it's antisemitic to be outraged over the slaughter of innocent Christians in the Holy Land, then call me Uncle Adolf.

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Speak of the Devil. I bet you were hoping this would be true with the IDF responsible. We all have posting histories and this sort of thing is far from your first rodeo. Do really think for one minute Israel would deliberately target Christians?

Its a friggin war zone. And if this is true it is a tragic mistake in the fog of war. Spare me your false outrage.

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Yes, I believe that Israel would purposefully target Christians. Christians are attacked constantly in Israel, but in this case they are GAZANS and therefore have to be killed.

The Israeli's have shown time and time again that their MO is to shoot first and ask questions later. They did it when they attacked the USS Liberty, they did it when they shot three of their own hostages recently, and if the good Cardinal Pizzaballa can be believed, they did it again this morning and shot two Catholic women. This, coupled with their reliance on unguided bombs, lead me to believe they don't really care who they kill.

In case you have a short memory, they also killed 17 people at an Orthodox Church in an air strike in late October.

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Ah so you do have an agenda, surprise! Give the level of devastation in that war zone and given Israel's justified rage after having 1400 of its people murdered. Those are remarkably low Christian causalities. Its sad there are any at all.

But just image if HAMAS had not started this slaughter, the casualties would be ZERO.

But you want to blame Israel. Weird!!

ttu_85 said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Kvetch said:

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Central Committee said:

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The Israeli soldiers will be punished. The Hamas terrorists that raped and tortured women and children were celebrated. That's the difference.

I wish the violence would stop just like you. I lament the loss of innocent Palestinian women and children even though Hamas does not. But I refuse to condemn the IDF for doing what I would do as well - prosecute a war against an enemy that wants to eradicate the Israelis as a people, and have done everything possible to do just that.

I am disgusted by the level of antisemitism in our own country and in Europe. They should certainly know better, and obviously did not learn their lesson in WWII.

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It's not worth your time to argue with this guy. He's not seeking truth, just validation for his anti-Semitic narrative. Rational people know that the IDF is not intentionally and systematically targeting innocents Christians. Hell, they aren't even doing that to "innocent" Palestinians, who very well could be considered their enemies.

If it's true that a mistake was made and innocents were killed, that's a tragedy. It's not an indictment of the mission of the IDF or Israel's existential fight for survival. This guy just gets hot and bothered anytime some potentially bad news comes out against the IDF, regardless of the fact that mistakes have happened in every single war in human history.

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All true and you can easily see some of those that share the antisemitism. Its the usual far, far right suspects. its like a bat signal with this crowd.

I'm pretty far to the right myself on mostly eco issues but this group is an embarrassment.

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If it's antisemitic to be outraged over the slaughter of innocent Christians in the Holy Land, then call me Uncle Adolf.

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Speak of the Devil. I bet you were hoping this would be true with the IDF responsible. We all have posting histories and this sort of thing is far from your first rodeo. Do really think for one minute Israel would deliberately target Christians?

Its a friggin war zone. And if this is true it is a tragic mistake in the fog of war. Spare me your false outrage.

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Are you refuting His Eminence's statement? If so, provide a link.

My outrage is not false, I assure you. But spare me your boomer school marm scolding.

ttu_85 said:

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Terminus Est said:

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ttu_85 said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Kvetch said:

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Central Committee said:

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The Israeli soldiers will be punished. The Hamas terrorists that raped and tortured women and children were celebrated. That's the difference.

I wish the violence would stop just like you. I lament the loss of innocent Palestinian women and children even though Hamas does not. But I refuse to condemn the IDF for doing what I would do as well - prosecute a war against an enemy that wants to eradicate the Israelis as a people, and have done everything possible to do just that.

I am disgusted by the level of antisemitism in our own country and in Europe. They should certainly know better, and obviously did not learn their lesson in WWII.

---

It's not worth your time to argue with this guy. He's not seeking truth, just validation for his anti-Semitic narrative. Rational people know that the IDF is not intentionally and systematically targeting innocents Christians. Hell, they aren't even doing that to "innocent" Palestinians, who very well could be considered their enemies.

If it's true that a mistake was made and innocents were killed, that's a tragedy. It's not an indictment of the mission of the IDF or Israel's existential fight for survival. This guy just gets hot and bothered anytime some potentially bad news comes out against the IDF, regardless of the fact that mistakes have happened in every single war in human history.

---

All true and you can easily see some of those that share the antisemitism. Its the usual far, far right suspects. its like a bat signal with this crowd.

I'm pretty far to the right myself on mostly eco issues but this group is an embarrassment.

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If it's antisemitic to be outraged over the slaughter of innocent Christians in the Holy Land, then call me Uncle Adolf.

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Speak of the Devil. I bet you were hoping this would be true with the IDF responsible. We all have posting histories and this sort of thing is far from your first rodeo. Do really think for one minute Israel would deliberately target Christians?

Its a friggin war zone. And if this is true it is a tragic mistake in the fog of war. Spare me your false outrage.

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Yes, I believe that Israel would purposefully target Christians. Christians are attacked constantly in Israel, but in this case they are GAZANS and therefore have to be killed.

The Israeli's have shown time and time again that their MO is to shoot first and ask questions later. They did it when they attacked the USS Liberty, they did it when they shot three of their own hostages recently, and if the good Cardinal Pizzaballa can be believed, they did it again this morning and shot two Catholic women. This, coupled with their reliance on unguided bombs, lead me to believe they don't really care who they kill.

In case you have a short memory, they also killed 17 people at an Orthodox Church in an air strike in late October.

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Ah so you do have an agenda, surprise! Give the level of devastation in that war zone and given Israel's justified rage after having 1400 of its people murdered. Those are remarkably low Christian causalities. Its sad there are any at all.

But just image if HAMAS had not started this slaughter, the casualties would be ZERO.

But you want to blame Israel. Weird!!

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We can play this stupid game until the cows come home. "But just imagine if ISRAEL hadn't expelled 700,000 Palestinians from their homes in 1948, the casualties would be ZERO."

I can't recall any urban combat of this nature in the last several decades with such low civilian casualties, given the population density. It's pretty clear Israel has been taking exceptional measures to avoid civilian casualties, but mistakes are made.

Rapier108 said:

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There is a reason Bustup has had so many different accounts over the years.

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Ahhhhhh....

Vielen dank.

RebelE Infantry said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Terminus Est said:

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ttu_85 said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Kvetch said:

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Central Committee said:

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The Israeli soldiers will be punished. The Hamas terrorists that raped and tortured women and children were celebrated. That's the difference.

I wish the violence would stop just like you. I lament the loss of innocent Palestinian women and children even though Hamas does not. But I refuse to condemn the IDF for doing what I would do as well - prosecute a war against an enemy that wants to eradicate the Israelis as a people, and have done everything possible to do just that.

I am disgusted by the level of antisemitism in our own country and in Europe. They should certainly know better, and obviously did not learn their lesson in WWII.

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It's not worth your time to argue with this guy. He's not seeking truth, just validation for his anti-Semitic narrative. Rational people know that the IDF is not intentionally and systematically targeting innocents Christians. Hell, they aren't even doing that to "innocent" Palestinians, who very well could be considered their enemies.

If it's true that a mistake was made and innocents were killed, that's a tragedy. It's not an indictment of the mission of the IDF or Israel's existential fight for survival. This guy just gets hot and bothered anytime some potentially bad news comes out against the IDF, regardless of the fact that mistakes have happened in every single war in human history.

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All true and you can easily see some of those that share the antisemitism. Its the usual far, far right suspects. its like a bat signal with this crowd.

I'm pretty far to the right myself on mostly eco issues but this group is an embarrassment.

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If it's antisemitic to be outraged over the slaughter of innocent Christians in the Holy Land, then call me Uncle Adolf.

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Speak of the Devil. I bet you were hoping this would be true with the IDF responsible. We all have posting histories and this sort of thing is far from your first rodeo. Do really think for one minute Israel would deliberately target Christians?

Its a friggin war zone. And if this is true it is a tragic mistake in the fog of war. Spare me your false outrage.

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Yes, I believe that Israel would purposefully target Christians. Christians are attacked constantly in Israel, but in this case they are GAZANS and therefore have to be killed.

The Israeli's have shown time and time again that their MO is to shoot first and ask questions later. They did it when they attacked the USS Liberty, they did it when they shot three of their own hostages recently, and if the good Cardinal Pizzaballa can be believed, they did it again this morning and shot two Catholic women. This, coupled with their reliance on unguided bombs, lead me to believe they don't really care who they kill.

In case you have a short memory, they also killed 17 people at an Orthodox Church in an air strike in late October.

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Ah so you do have an agenda, surprise! Give the level of devastation in that war zone and given Israel's justified rage after having 1400 of its people murdered. Those are remarkably low Christian causalities. Its sad there are any at all.

But just image if HAMAS had not started this slaughter, the casualties would be ZERO.

But you want to blame Israel. Weird!!

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We can play this stupid game until the cows come home. "But just imagine if ISRAEL hadn't expelled 700,000 Palestinians from their homes in 1948, the casualties would be ZERO."

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Quit while you're behind. You don't need to keep proving that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

And you can be upset about the death of innocents without propagating a false narrative about the mission of the IDF and the Jewish state writ large, uncle Adolf.

Terminus Est said:

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ttu_85 said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Kvetch said:

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Central Committee said:

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The Israeli soldiers will be punished. The Hamas terrorists that raped and tortured women and children were celebrated. That's the difference.

I wish the violence would stop just like you. I lament the loss of innocent Palestinian women and children even though Hamas does not. But I refuse to condemn the IDF for doing what I would do as well - prosecute a war against an enemy that wants to eradicate the Israelis as a people, and have done everything possible to do just that.

I am disgusted by the level of antisemitism in our own country and in Europe. They should certainly know better, and obviously did not learn their lesson in WWII.

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It's not worth your time to argue with this guy. He's not seeking truth, just validation for his anti-Semitic narrative. Rational people know that the IDF is not intentionally and systematically targeting innocents Christians. Hell, they aren't even doing that to "innocent" Palestinians, who very well could be considered their enemies.

If it's true that a mistake was made and innocents were killed, that's a tragedy. It's not an indictment of the mission of the IDF or Israel's existential fight for survival. This guy just gets hot and bothered anytime some potentially bad news comes out against the IDF, regardless of the fact that mistakes have happened in every single war in human history.

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All true and you can easily see some of those that share the antisemitism. Its the usual far, far right suspects. its like a bat signal with this crowd.

I'm pretty far to the right myself on mostly eco issues but this group is an embarrassment.

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If it's antisemitic to be outraged over the slaughter of innocent Christians in the Holy Land, then call me Uncle Adolf.

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Speak of the Devil. I bet you were hoping this would be true with the IDF responsible. We all have posting histories and this sort of thing is far from your first rodeo. Do really think for one minute Israel would deliberately target Christians?

Its a friggin war zone. And if this is true it is a tragic mistake in the fog of war. Spare me your false outrage.

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Yes, I believe that Israel would purposefully target Christians. Christians are attacked constantly in Israel, but in this case they are GAZANS and therefore have to be killed.

The Israeli's have shown time and time again that their MO is to shoot first and ask questions later. They did it when they attacked the USS Liberty, they did it when they shot three of their own hostages recently, and if the good Cardinal Pizzaballa can be believed, they did it again this morning and shot two Catholic women. This, coupled with their reliance on unguided bombs, lead me to believe they don't really care who they kill.

In case you have a short memory, they also killed 17 people at an Orthodox Church in an air strike in late October.

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They don't even "constantly attack" the Muslim Arabs in Israel, but the Israeli government is doing it to Christians?

You're quite amusing.

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I can't recall any urban combat of this nature in the last several decades with such low civilian casualties, given the population density. It's pretty clear Israel has been taking exceptional measures to avoid civilian casualties, but mistakes are made.

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You need to rewind back all the way to the present conflict in Ukraine and Russia, God knows Hamas' numbers are probably cooked, but the Red Cross claims 9,000 civilians killed in the 1 year Ukrainian war, and 18,000+ in Gaza

ttu_85 said:

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Terminus Est said:

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ttu_85 said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Kvetch said:

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Central Committee said:

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The Israeli soldiers will be punished. The Hamas terrorists that raped and tortured women and children were celebrated. That's the difference.

I wish the violence would stop just like you. I lament the loss of innocent Palestinian women and children even though Hamas does not. But I refuse to condemn the IDF for doing what I would do as well - prosecute a war against an enemy that wants to eradicate the Israelis as a people, and have done everything possible to do just that.

I am disgusted by the level of antisemitism in our own country and in Europe. They should certainly know better, and obviously did not learn their lesson in WWII.

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It's not worth your time to argue with this guy. He's not seeking truth, just validation for his anti-Semitic narrative. Rational people know that the IDF is not intentionally and systematically targeting innocents Christians. Hell, they aren't even doing that to "innocent" Palestinians, who very well could be considered their enemies.

If it's true that a mistake was made and innocents were killed, that's a tragedy. It's not an indictment of the mission of the IDF or Israel's existential fight for survival. This guy just gets hot and bothered anytime some potentially bad news comes out against the IDF, regardless of the fact that mistakes have happened in every single war in human history.

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All true and you can easily see some of those that share the antisemitism. Its the usual far, far right suspects. its like a bat signal with this crowd.

I'm pretty far to the right myself on mostly eco issues but this group is an embarrassment.

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If it's antisemitic to be outraged over the slaughter of innocent Christians in the Holy Land, then call me Uncle Adolf.

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Speak of the Devil. I bet you were hoping this would be true with the IDF responsible. We all have posting histories and this sort of thing is far from your first rodeo. Do really think for one minute Israel would deliberately target Christians?

Its a friggin war zone. And if this is true it is a tragic mistake in the fog of war. Spare me your false outrage.

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Yes, I believe that Israel would purposefully target Christians. Christians are attacked constantly in Israel, but in this case they are GAZANS and therefore have to be killed.

The Israeli's have shown time and time again that their MO is to shoot first and ask questions later. They did it when they attacked the USS Liberty, they did it when they shot three of their own hostages recently, and if the good Cardinal Pizzaballa can be believed, they did it again this morning and shot two Catholic women. This, coupled with their reliance on unguided bombs, lead me to believe they don't really care who they kill.

In case you have a short memory, they also killed 17 people at an Orthodox Church in an air strike in late October.

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Ah so you do have an agenda, surprise! Give the level of devastation in that war zone and given Israel's justified rage after having 1400 of its people murdered. Those are remarkably low Christian causalities. Its sad there are any at all.

But just image if HAMAS had not started this slaughter, the casualties would be ZERO.

But you want to blame Israel. Weird!!

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Israel has no justified rage against Gazan innocents, nor does Hamas have any justified rage against Israeli innocents.

If the IDF does something, I blame Israel, yes.

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RebelE Infantry said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Terminus Est said:

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ttu_85 said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Kvetch said:

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Central Committee said:

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The Israeli soldiers will be punished. The Hamas terrorists that raped and tortured women and children were celebrated. That's the difference.

I wish the violence would stop just like you. I lament the loss of innocent Palestinian women and children even though Hamas does not. But I refuse to condemn the IDF for doing what I would do as well - prosecute a war against an enemy that wants to eradicate the Israelis as a people, and have done everything possible to do just that.

I am disgusted by the level of antisemitism in our own country and in Europe. They should certainly know better, and obviously did not learn their lesson in WWII.

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It's not worth your time to argue with this guy. He's not seeking truth, just validation for his anti-Semitic narrative. Rational people know that the IDF is not intentionally and systematically targeting innocents Christians. Hell, they aren't even doing that to "innocent" Palestinians, who very well could be considered their enemies.

If it's true that a mistake was made and innocents were killed, that's a tragedy. It's not an indictment of the mission of the IDF or Israel's existential fight for survival. This guy just gets hot and bothered anytime some potentially bad news comes out against the IDF, regardless of the fact that mistakes have happened in every single war in human history.

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All true and you can easily see some of those that share the antisemitism. Its the usual far, far right suspects. its like a bat signal with this crowd.

I'm pretty far to the right myself on mostly eco issues but this group is an embarrassment.

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If it's antisemitic to be outraged over the slaughter of innocent Christians in the Holy Land, then call me Uncle Adolf.

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Speak of the Devil. I bet you were hoping this would be true with the IDF responsible. We all have posting histories and this sort of thing is far from your first rodeo. Do really think for one minute Israel would deliberately target Christians?

Its a friggin war zone. And if this is true it is a tragic mistake in the fog of war. Spare me your false outrage.

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Yes, I believe that Israel would purposefully target Christians. Christians are attacked constantly in Israel, but in this case they are GAZANS and therefore have to be killed.

The Israeli's have shown time and time again that their MO is to shoot first and ask questions later. They did it when they attacked the USS Liberty, they did it when they shot three of their own hostages recently, and if the good Cardinal Pizzaballa can be believed, they did it again this morning and shot two Catholic women. This, coupled with their reliance on unguided bombs, lead me to believe they don't really care who they kill.

In case you have a short memory, they also killed 17 people at an Orthodox Church in an air strike in late October.

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Ah so you do have an agenda, surprise! Give the level of devastation in that war zone and given Israel's justified rage after having 1400 of its people murdered. Those are remarkably low Christian causalities. Its sad there are any at all.

But just image if HAMAS had not started this slaughter, the casualties would be ZERO.

But you want to blame Israel. Weird!!

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We can play this stupid game until the cows come home. "But just imagine if ISRAEL hadn't expelled 700,000 Palestinians from their homes in 1948, the casualties would be ZERO."

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Quit while you're behind. You don't need to keep proving that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

And you can be upset about the death of innocents without propagating a false narrative about the mission of the IDF and the Jewish state writ large, uncle Adolf.

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Oh really? Tell me about how the State of Israel wasn't merely carved out of Palestine in the aftermath of WWII.

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RebelE Infantry said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Terminus Est said:

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ttu_85 said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Kvetch said:

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Central Committee said:

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The Israeli soldiers will be punished. The Hamas terrorists that raped and tortured women and children were celebrated. That's the difference.

I wish the violence would stop just like you. I lament the loss of innocent Palestinian women and children even though Hamas does not. But I refuse to condemn the IDF for doing what I would do as well - prosecute a war against an enemy that wants to eradicate the Israelis as a people, and have done everything possible to do just that.

I am disgusted by the level of antisemitism in our own country and in Europe. They should certainly know better, and obviously did not learn their lesson in WWII.

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It's not worth your time to argue with this guy. He's not seeking truth, just validation for his anti-Semitic narrative. Rational people know that the IDF is not intentionally and systematically targeting innocents Christians. Hell, they aren't even doing that to "innocent" Palestinians, who very well could be considered their enemies.

If it's true that a mistake was made and innocents were killed, that's a tragedy. It's not an indictment of the mission of the IDF or Israel's existential fight for survival. This guy just gets hot and bothered anytime some potentially bad news comes out against the IDF, regardless of the fact that mistakes have happened in every single war in human history.

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All true and you can easily see some of those that share the antisemitism. Its the usual far, far right suspects. its like a bat signal with this crowd.

I'm pretty far to the right myself on mostly eco issues but this group is an embarrassment.

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If it's antisemitic to be outraged over the slaughter of innocent Christians in the Holy Land, then call me Uncle Adolf.

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Speak of the Devil. I bet you were hoping this would be true with the IDF responsible. We all have posting histories and this sort of thing is far from your first rodeo. Do really think for one minute Israel would deliberately target Christians?

Its a friggin war zone. And if this is true it is a tragic mistake in the fog of war. Spare me your false outrage.

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Yes, I believe that Israel would purposefully target Christians. Christians are attacked constantly in Israel, but in this case they are GAZANS and therefore have to be killed.

The Israeli's have shown time and time again that their MO is to shoot first and ask questions later. They did it when they attacked the USS Liberty, they did it when they shot three of their own hostages recently, and if the good Cardinal Pizzaballa can be believed, they did it again this morning and shot two Catholic women. This, coupled with their reliance on unguided bombs, lead me to believe they don't really care who they kill.

In case you have a short memory, they also killed 17 people at an Orthodox Church in an air strike in late October.

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Ah so you do have an agenda, surprise! Give the level of devastation in that war zone and given Israel's justified rage after having 1400 of its people murdered. Those are remarkably low Christian causalities. Its sad there are any at all.

But just image if HAMAS had not started this slaughter, the casualties would be ZERO.

But you want to blame Israel. Weird!!

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We can play this stupid game until the cows come home. "But just imagine if ISRAEL hadn't expelled 700,000 Palestinians from their homes in 1948, the casualties would be ZERO."

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Quit while you're behind. You don't need to keep proving that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

And you can be upset about the death of innocents without propagating a false narrative about the mission of the IDF and the Jewish state writ large, uncle Adolf.

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Oh really? Tell me about how the State of Israel wasn't merely carved out of Palestine in the aftermath of WWII.

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History is tough, I get it. Go back 10k years.

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Why do our resident Christian totalitarians hate Israel and basically support Hamas, some even openly?

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Because antisemitism in an inherent part of Christianity, ever since Jesus was crucified and the Church blamed the Jews for killing him.

In an actual urban center? Russia pretty much is the definition of completely indiscriminate and Ukraine, on the other hand, withdrew all of its citizens willing to leave from the front, as opposed to Hamas which lied to its citizens, bullied them, and even threatened them with death to keep them in place as human shields….

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Kvetch said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Terminus Est said:

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ttu_85 said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Kvetch said:

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Central Committee said:

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The Israeli soldiers will be punished. The Hamas terrorists that raped and tortured women and children were celebrated. That's the difference.

I wish the violence would stop just like you. I lament the loss of innocent Palestinian women and children even though Hamas does not. But I refuse to condemn the IDF for doing what I would do as well - prosecute a war against an enemy that wants to eradicate the Israelis as a people, and have done everything possible to do just that.

I am disgusted by the level of antisemitism in our own country and in Europe. They should certainly know better, and obviously did not learn their lesson in WWII.

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It's not worth your time to argue with this guy. He's not seeking truth, just validation for his anti-Semitic narrative. Rational people know that the IDF is not intentionally and systematically targeting innocents Christians. Hell, they aren't even doing that to "innocent" Palestinians, who very well could be considered their enemies.

If it's true that a mistake was made and innocents were killed, that's a tragedy. It's not an indictment of the mission of the IDF or Israel's existential fight for survival. This guy just gets hot and bothered anytime some potentially bad news comes out against the IDF, regardless of the fact that mistakes have happened in every single war in human history.

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All true and you can easily see some of those that share the antisemitism. Its the usual far, far right suspects. its like a bat signal with this crowd.

I'm pretty far to the right myself on mostly eco issues but this group is an embarrassment.

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If it's antisemitic to be outraged over the slaughter of innocent Christians in the Holy Land, then call me Uncle Adolf.

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Speak of the Devil. I bet you were hoping this would be true with the IDF responsible. We all have posting histories and this sort of thing is far from your first rodeo. Do really think for one minute Israel would deliberately target Christians?

Its a friggin war zone. And if this is true it is a tragic mistake in the fog of war. Spare me your false outrage.

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Yes, I believe that Israel would purposefully target Christians. Christians are attacked constantly in Israel, but in this case they are GAZANS and therefore have to be killed.

The Israeli's have shown time and time again that their MO is to shoot first and ask questions later. They did it when they attacked the USS Liberty, they did it when they shot three of their own hostages recently, and if the good Cardinal Pizzaballa can be believed, they did it again this morning and shot two Catholic women. This, coupled with their reliance on unguided bombs, lead me to believe they don't really care who they kill.

In case you have a short memory, they also killed 17 people at an Orthodox Church in an air strike in late October.

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Ah so you do have an agenda, surprise! Give the level of devastation in that war zone and given Israel's justified rage after having 1400 of its people murdered. Those are remarkably low Christian causalities. Its sad there are any at all.

But just image if HAMAS had not started this slaughter, the casualties would be ZERO.

But you want to blame Israel. Weird!!

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We can play this stupid game until the cows come home. "But just imagine if ISRAEL hadn't expelled 700,000 Palestinians from their homes in 1948, the casualties would be ZERO."

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Quit while you're behind. You don't need to keep proving that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

And you can be upset about the death of innocents without propagating a false narrative about the mission of the IDF and the Jewish state writ large, uncle Adolf.

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Oh really? Tell me about how the State of Israel wasn't merely carved out of Palestine in the aftermath of WWII.

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And that Palestine was created by the UK and League of Nations in 1920. So what?

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We can play this stupid game until the cows come home. "But just imagine if ISRAEL hadn't expelled 700,000 Palestinians from their homes in 1948, the casualties would be ZERO."

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Israel didn't expel anyone in 1948. In their declaration of independence, Israel explicitly invited its Arab population to stay, accept Israeli citizenship, and "play their part in the development of the state". About 150,000 Arabs took up the offer. But most chose to leave and, either actively or passively, help the surrounding Arab countries attempt to eradicate Israel. They failed, and of course they weren't welcome back, for the same reason that Poland and Czechoslovakia expelled their German minorities after WW2.

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Rapier108 said:

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Why do our resident Christian totalitarians hate Israel and basically support Hamas, some even openly?

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Because antisemitism in an inherent part of Christianity, ever since Jesus was crucified and the Church blamed the Jews for killing him.

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But then ole Scofield released his Bible and the evangelicals were convinced the Modern state of Israel was the Israel prophesied of in the Bible and *BAM* you've got $300,000,000,000 of aid since WWII and the worst case of Geopolitical Stockholm syndrome I've ever seen

Terminus Est said:

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BonfireNerd04 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Why do our resident Christian totalitarians hate Israel and basically support Hamas, some even openly?

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Because antisemitism in an inherent part of Christianity, ever since Jesus was crucified and the Church blamed the Jews for killing him.

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But then ole Scofield released his Bible and the evangelicals were convinced the Modern state of Israel was the Israel prophesied of in the Bible and *BAM* you've got $300,000,000,000 of aid since WWII and the worst case of Geopolitical Stockholm syndrome I've ever seen

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"Hey Siri, who bankrolled Scofield?"

Terminus Est said:

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BonfireNerd04 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Why do our resident Christian totalitarians hate Israel and basically support Hamas, some even openly?

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Because antisemitism in an inherent part of Christianity, ever since Jesus was crucified and the Church blamed the Jews for killing him.

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But then ole Scofield released his Bible and the evangelicals were convinced the Modern state of Israel was the Israel prophesied of in the Bible and *BAM* you've got $300,000,000,000 of aid since WWII and the worst case of Geopolitical Stockholm syndrome I've ever seen

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Good lord. Just admit you are an antisemite and let it go.

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Terminus Est said:

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BonfireNerd04 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Why do our resident Christian totalitarians hate Israel and basically support Hamas, some even openly?

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Because antisemitism in an inherent part of Christianity, ever since Jesus was crucified and the Church blamed the Jews for killing him.

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But then ole Scofield released his Bible and the evangelicals were convinced the Modern state of Israel was the Israel prophesied of in the Bible and *BAM* you've got $300,000,000,000 of aid since WWII and the worst case of Geopolitical Stockholm syndrome I've ever seen

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Good lord. Just admit you are an antisemite and let it go.

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He'd make a great Democrat based on his anti-semitism just on this thread.

The outrage by both sides on this thread got me interested. Apparently, there was a significant uptick in hate crimes against Christians by far right Jewish extremists in early 2023. So while it's not sanctioned by the government or IDF, it's certainly possible that there are Jewish elements who could take it upon themselves out of what's clearly a growing anger directed towards Christians over something.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-attacks-on-christians-become-more-frequent-a-crisis-looms-for-israel/

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The march, joined by the two senior Catholic figures in the Holy Land Patriarch Pierbattista Pizzaballa and Custodian of the Holy Land Francesco Patton was not limited to a protest against that one incident.

"We are horrified and hurt in the wake of the many incidents of violence and hatred that have taken place recently against the Catholic community in Israel," said Patton, also known as the Custos.

He cited seven incidents that have taken place in recent weeks, saying pointedly that "it is no coincidence that these serious incidents are taking place specifically now."

"We expect and demand from the Israeli government and law enforcement to act with determination to stamp these serious phenomena."

While there have long been periodic incidents of vandalism and harassment against Christian clergy in Jerusalem's Old City, there has been a noticeable rise in attacks in recent weeks.

In November, two soldiers from the Israel Defense Forces' Givati Brigade were detained on suspicion of spitting at the Armenian archbishop and other pilgrims during a procession in the Old City.

In early January, two Jewish teens were arrested for damaging graves at the Protestant cemetery on Mount Zion.

The next week, the Maronite community center in the northern city of Ma'alot-Tarshiha was vandalized by unknown assailants over the Christmas holiday.

Jerusalem's Armenian community buildings were also targeted by vandals, with multiple discriminatory phrases graffitied on the exterior of structures in the Armenian Quarter. According to the Armenian Patriarchate, "revenge," "death to Christians," "death to Arabs and gentiles" and "death to Armenians" were all graffitied in the quarter.

The attacks kept coming. On a Thursday night in late January, a gang of religious Jewish teens threw chairs at an Armenian restaurant inside the city's New Gate. The vandalism at the Church of the Flagellation occurred the very next week.

And last week, a resident of southern Israel was arrested after attacking priests with an iron bar at the Tomb of the Virgin Mary in Gethsemane.

"Terrorist attacks, by radical Israeli groups, targeting churches, cemeteries, and Christian properties… have become almost a daily occurrence that evidently increases in intensity during Christian holidays," said the Greek Orthodox Church.

And not all incidents even make the news. Father Matthew, secretary to the Greek Orthodox Patriarch Theophilus III, told The Times of Israel that last Tuesday, a handicapped priest making his way slowly out of the Greek Orthodox monastery was spat on by two religious Jewish youths. When another priest confronted the assailants, they pulled up their shirts to show canisters of pepper spray.
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The Franciscans in the Old City are so worried that they have been locking the doors to their San Salvatore compound in the Old City at night ever since the desecration of the Jesus statue. They have never taken such a measure in the past, said Father Alberto Pari, secretary of the Custody.

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Sharpshooter said:

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Terminus Est said:

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Oh really? Tell me about how the State of Israel wasn't merely carved out of Palestine in the aftermath of WWII.

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History is tough, I get it. Go back 10k years.

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No need to go back that far.

The land was inhabited by Jews until the Romans fought a war with them and kicked them out. In 136 CE, the Romans renamed the province of Judea to "Syria Palaestina" in order to erase the Jewish claim to the land. The name comes from the Philistines, a nation that had been conquered/assimilated out of existence a few centuries earlier.

This new "Palestine" was resettled by Romans, and remained part of the (Eastern) Roman Empire until the Persians invaded in 611. Afterwards, the land changed hands several times between various Muslim and Crusader states, until being conquered by the Turkish Ottomans in the 1517. And it stayed there until the Ottoman Empire found itself on the losing side of World War 1, when the British took it over. And it was the British who made the arbitrary decision to carve up their Mandate territory into "Palestine" and "Transjordan".

Point is, ever since the Jews were exiled from it, "Palestine" was always just a chunk of some larger empire, never a sovereign nation-state.

BonfireNerd04 said:

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Sharpshooter said:

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Terminus Est said:

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Oh really? Tell me about how the State of Israel wasn't merely carved out of Palestine in the aftermath of WWII.

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History is tough, I get it. Go back 10k years.

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No need to go back that far.

The land was inhabited by Jews until the Romans fought a war with them and kicked them out. In 136 CE, the Romans renamed the province of Judea to "Syria Palaestina" in order to erase the Jewish claim to the land. The name comes from the Philistines, a nation that had been conquered/assimilated out of existence a few centuries earlier.

This new "Palestine" was resettled by Romans, and remained part of the (Eastern) Roman Empire until the Persians invaded in 611. Afterwards, the land changed hands several times between various Muslim and Crusader states, until being conquered by the Turkish Ottomans in the 1517. And it stayed there until the Ottoman Empire found itself on the losing side of World War 1, when the British took it over. And it was the British who made the arbitrary decision to carve up their Mandate territory into "Palestine" and "Transjordan".

Point is, ever since the Jews were exiled from it, "Palestine" was always just a chunk of some larger empire, never a sovereign nation-state.

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Points well taken. Nevertheless, that land belongs to the Jews.