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Patriarch of Jerusalem Pizzaballa: IDF sniper kills two in Catholic Church
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Thing is buddy you are trying to reason with fanatics. Its a waste of time. This bunch is seriously insane.aTmAg said:I didn't doubt that the Catholic Church cares for the poor and disabled. I doubt the BS story being spouted by these clowns.RebelE Infantry said:Oh ya, a Catholic Church caring for the poor and disabled. Now there's a novel and far fetched idea.aTmAg said:I read it. I was talking about the sniper incident, not the tank and the (convenient) "disabled people". That sounds like the 2023 version of the "baby milk factory". You guys fall for anything.RebelE Infantry said:aTmAg said:Good grief indeed. So now we have a tank sniper-killing 2 people in a church? Do you know how any of this works?RebelE Infantry said:Good grief. IDF units operating in Gaza aren't exactly sneaking around and being subtle about it. And I'm quite sure that Hamas isn't rolling around Gaza in tanks.aTmAg said:What is blowing me away is how easily you guys are falling for this.zoneag said:I wonder what a thread would look like on this board if the USS Liberty attack happened today? I'm sure we'd get to be entertained with pretzel twisting logic on why the U.S. Navy might have been engaged in terrorism or something like that. But go on explaining away the IDF attacking women in churches and convents because "oUr gREaTeSt aLly cAn dO No wRoNg"Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:So you want to pretend you do have credibility and the ability to think for yourself? Then answer the question: Is Francis full of crap when he spouts climate change nonsense.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:LOL... you are the guy blindly following everything the Pope and Cardinals say and have been out-maneuvered into admitting that you have no credibility. And yet you are pretending to have "intellectual horsepower" over me?Terminus Est said:I admit that if you were born in Gaza, you'd be one of the first chosen as a suicide bomber by Hamas, given your intellectual horsepower.aTmAg said:So you admit that you have no credibility?Terminus Est said:Why is my credibility germane to the thread about the IDF killing two women in a church in Gaza? Did I make up the links I posted?aTmAg said:
Your credibility is germane to this thread. Which is why I'm asking.
I take it by your refusal to answer that you believe him hook, line, and sinker. Therefore, your credibility is zero on this topic. The OP claim doesn't pass the smell test at all. and yet you can't even recognize the obvious.
Again, my credibility has nothing to do with the topic at hand. For some reason you've decided to make this thread about Jewish excellence, the secret double life of Hamas spy Cdl Pizzaballa, and my credibility.
Out-maneuvered?
"You have no credibility"
-my credibility isn't germane here
"See he admitted it"
Since we both know you will avoid that question like the plague.. how about this: Is it POSSIBLE for a cardinal to lie or be wrong?
Obviously. Is it possible for an IDF soldier to shoot two women in a church for no reason?Quote:
The mother and daughter were walking to the Sister's Convent, the patriarchate said, when gunfire erupted. "One was killed as she tried to carry the other to safety," it added.
Seven others were also shot and wounded in the attack at the complex, where most Gaza's Christian families have taken refuge since the start of the war, according to the patriarchate, which oversees Catholic Churches across Cyprus, Jordan, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.
"No warning was given, no notification was provided," the statement continued. "They were shot in cold blood inside the premises of the parish, where there are no belligerents."https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-church-deaths-intl-hnk/index.htmlQuote:
According to the patriarchate, Israel Defense Forces tanks also targeted the Convent of the Sisters of Mother Theresa, which houses 54 disabled people and is part of the church's compound. The building's generator, its only current source of electricity, as well as its fuel resources, solar panels and water tanks were also destroyed.
I'm in no way saying that Hamas are the good guys, and that Israel isn't justified in their attack, but the attitude that they can never be questioned is kind of a sickening response to stuff like this. Especially coming from Christians and fellow Catholics. Not much concern in this thread from y'all regarding our poor sisters in Christ who were attacked.
Now go ahead and call me an anti-semite for daring to question anything Israel does.
So a sniper shoots people. And everybody suddenly assumes the sniper is Israeli? Even though they have ZERO to gain and EVERYTHING to lose by doing so? Even though Hamas has ALREADY shot and blown up it's own citizens in attempt to score propaganda points? What makes you think that Hamas would bat an eye at shooting Catholics to achieve their goals?
How did the priest, who is already anti-Israel supposedly know this? Did the Israeli sniper stand up, show himself, wave, and say "Shalom!" after? Give me a break. You guys aren't thinking clearly.
Wanna know how I know didn't read the statement by the Patriarchate?
Absolute clown
And read GeographyAg's story. It exposes Pizzaballa as the fraud he is.
I wonder if I'll ever get bored of being right? So far I have not.
If he had merely said "people sheltering in the church", then I might have believed it if it wasn't for all the other BS he spouted.TXaggiesTX said:aTmAg said:I read it. I was talking about the sniper incident, not the tank and the (convenient) "disabled people". That sounds like the 2023 version of the "baby milk factory". You guys fall for anything.RebelE Infantry said:aTmAg said:Good grief indeed. So now we have a tank sniper-killing 2 people in a church? Do you know how any of this works?RebelE Infantry said:Good grief. IDF units operating in Gaza aren't exactly sneaking around and being subtle about it. And I'm quite sure that Hamas isn't rolling around Gaza in tanks.aTmAg said:What is blowing me away is how easily you guys are falling for this.zoneag said:I wonder what a thread would look like on this board if the USS Liberty attack happened today? I'm sure we'd get to be entertained with pretzel twisting logic on why the U.S. Navy might have been engaged in terrorism or something like that. But go on explaining away the IDF attacking women in churches and convents because "oUr gREaTeSt aLly cAn dO No wRoNg"Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:So you want to pretend you do have credibility and the ability to think for yourself? Then answer the question: Is Francis full of crap when he spouts climate change nonsense.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:LOL... you are the guy blindly following everything the Pope and Cardinals say and have been out-maneuvered into admitting that you have no credibility. And yet you are pretending to have "intellectual horsepower" over me?Terminus Est said:I admit that if you were born in Gaza, you'd be one of the first chosen as a suicide bomber by Hamas, given your intellectual horsepower.aTmAg said:So you admit that you have no credibility?Terminus Est said:Why is my credibility germane to the thread about the IDF killing two women in a church in Gaza? Did I make up the links I posted?aTmAg said:
Your credibility is germane to this thread. Which is why I'm asking.
I take it by your refusal to answer that you believe him hook, line, and sinker. Therefore, your credibility is zero on this topic. The OP claim doesn't pass the smell test at all. and yet you can't even recognize the obvious.
Again, my credibility has nothing to do with the topic at hand. For some reason you've decided to make this thread about Jewish excellence, the secret double life of Hamas spy Cdl Pizzaballa, and my credibility.
Out-maneuvered?
"You have no credibility"
-my credibility isn't germane here
"See he admitted it"
Since we both know you will avoid that question like the plague.. how about this: Is it POSSIBLE for a cardinal to lie or be wrong?
Obviously. Is it possible for an IDF soldier to shoot two women in a church for no reason?Quote:
The mother and daughter were walking to the Sister's Convent, the patriarchate said, when gunfire erupted. "One was killed as she tried to carry the other to safety," it added.
Seven others were also shot and wounded in the attack at the complex, where most Gaza's Christian families have taken refuge since the start of the war, according to the patriarchate, which oversees Catholic Churches across Cyprus, Jordan, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.
"No warning was given, no notification was provided," the statement continued. "They were shot in cold blood inside the premises of the parish, where there are no belligerents."https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-church-deaths-intl-hnk/index.htmlQuote:
According to the patriarchate, Israel Defense Forces tanks also targeted the Convent of the Sisters of Mother Theresa, which houses 54 disabled people and is part of the church's compound. The building's generator, its only current source of electricity, as well as its fuel resources, solar panels and water tanks were also destroyed.
I'm in no way saying that Hamas are the good guys, and that Israel isn't justified in their attack, but the attitude that they can never be questioned is kind of a sickening response to stuff like this. Especially coming from Christians and fellow Catholics. Not much concern in this thread from y'all regarding our poor sisters in Christ who were attacked.
Now go ahead and call me an anti-semite for daring to question anything Israel does.
So a sniper shoots people. And everybody suddenly assumes the sniper is Israeli? Even though they have ZERO to gain and EVERYTHING to lose by doing so? Even though Hamas has ALREADY shot and blown up it's own citizens in attempt to score propaganda points? What makes you think that Hamas would bat an eye at shooting Catholics to achieve their goals?
How did the priest, who is already anti-Israel supposedly know this? Did the Israeli sniper stand up, show himself, wave, and say "Shalom!" after? Give me a break. You guys aren't thinking clearly.
Wanna know how I know didn't read the statement by the Patriarchate?
Christians taking refuge in churches has been reported throughout this conflict. A former US congressman with family who are Orthodox Christians living in the area has had several family members killed who were attempting to shelter in a church.
There were idiotic Americans who sided with Hilter in the 40s. Just freaking open your eyes. Hamas literally flew in and slaughtered innocent civilians in the most barbaric way possible. Then many of them denied it and tried to blame the IDF for it. Hamas is on video shooting and blowing up their own citizens. They and their supporters have been caught in lie after lie. Yet you guys still find a way to believe them even when the story is ridiculously outlandish.Quote:
Interesting though that the Christian community in the area doesn't seem to be fully on Israel's side. Sean Hannity told me Israel = always good Israel's enemies = always bad.
Israel does more to protect Palestinian civilians than America does to protect the civilian population of it's enemies in war. Hell they do more to protect Palestinian civilians than Hamas. Do you fools consider our bombing of Japan "genocide"?
Please stop embarrassing yourselves, your families, and your university.
aTmAg said:I didn't doubt that the Catholic Church cares for the poor and disabled. I doubt the BS story being spouted by these clowns.RebelE Infantry said:Oh ya, a Catholic Church caring for the poor and disabled. Now there's a novel and far fetched idea.aTmAg said:I read it. I was talking about the sniper incident, not the tank and the (convenient) "disabled people". That sounds like the 2023 version of the "baby milk factory". You guys fall for anything.RebelE Infantry said:aTmAg said:Good grief indeed. So now we have a tank sniper-killing 2 people in a church? Do you know how any of this works?RebelE Infantry said:Good grief. IDF units operating in Gaza aren't exactly sneaking around and being subtle about it. And I'm quite sure that Hamas isn't rolling around Gaza in tanks.aTmAg said:What is blowing me away is how easily you guys are falling for this.zoneag said:I wonder what a thread would look like on this board if the USS Liberty attack happened today? I'm sure we'd get to be entertained with pretzel twisting logic on why the U.S. Navy might have been engaged in terrorism or something like that. But go on explaining away the IDF attacking women in churches and convents because "oUr gREaTeSt aLly cAn dO No wRoNg"Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:So you want to pretend you do have credibility and the ability to think for yourself? Then answer the question: Is Francis full of crap when he spouts climate change nonsense.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:LOL... you are the guy blindly following everything the Pope and Cardinals say and have been out-maneuvered into admitting that you have no credibility. And yet you are pretending to have "intellectual horsepower" over me?Terminus Est said:I admit that if you were born in Gaza, you'd be one of the first chosen as a suicide bomber by Hamas, given your intellectual horsepower.aTmAg said:So you admit that you have no credibility?Terminus Est said:Why is my credibility germane to the thread about the IDF killing two women in a church in Gaza? Did I make up the links I posted?aTmAg said:
Your credibility is germane to this thread. Which is why I'm asking.
I take it by your refusal to answer that you believe him hook, line, and sinker. Therefore, your credibility is zero on this topic. The OP claim doesn't pass the smell test at all. and yet you can't even recognize the obvious.
Again, my credibility has nothing to do with the topic at hand. For some reason you've decided to make this thread about Jewish excellence, the secret double life of Hamas spy Cdl Pizzaballa, and my credibility.
Out-maneuvered?
"You have no credibility"
-my credibility isn't germane here
"See he admitted it"
Since we both know you will avoid that question like the plague.. how about this: Is it POSSIBLE for a cardinal to lie or be wrong?
Obviously. Is it possible for an IDF soldier to shoot two women in a church for no reason?Quote:
The mother and daughter were walking to the Sister's Convent, the patriarchate said, when gunfire erupted. "One was killed as she tried to carry the other to safety," it added.
Seven others were also shot and wounded in the attack at the complex, where most Gaza's Christian families have taken refuge since the start of the war, according to the patriarchate, which oversees Catholic Churches across Cyprus, Jordan, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.
"No warning was given, no notification was provided," the statement continued. "They were shot in cold blood inside the premises of the parish, where there are no belligerents."https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-church-deaths-intl-hnk/index.htmlQuote:
According to the patriarchate, Israel Defense Forces tanks also targeted the Convent of the Sisters of Mother Theresa, which houses 54 disabled people and is part of the church's compound. The building's generator, its only current source of electricity, as well as its fuel resources, solar panels and water tanks were also destroyed.
I'm in no way saying that Hamas are the good guys, and that Israel isn't justified in their attack, but the attitude that they can never be questioned is kind of a sickening response to stuff like this. Especially coming from Christians and fellow Catholics. Not much concern in this thread from y'all regarding our poor sisters in Christ who were attacked.
Now go ahead and call me an anti-semite for daring to question anything Israel does.
So a sniper shoots people. And everybody suddenly assumes the sniper is Israeli? Even though they have ZERO to gain and EVERYTHING to lose by doing so? Even though Hamas has ALREADY shot and blown up it's own citizens in attempt to score propaganda points? What makes you think that Hamas would bat an eye at shooting Catholics to achieve their goals?
How did the priest, who is already anti-Israel supposedly know this? Did the Israeli sniper stand up, show himself, wave, and say "Shalom!" after? Give me a break. You guys aren't thinking clearly.
Wanna know how I know didn't read the statement by the Patriarchate?
Absolute clown
And read GeographyAg's story. It exposes Pizzaballa as the fraud he is.
I wonder if I'll ever get bored of being right? So far I have not.
"Pizzaballa is a fraud! Look even *checks notes* art critic Maureen Mullarkey agrees with me"!
Strange that all of these folks claiming to be in communion with the Church were posting on this thread all day on this beautiful Sunday.
I guess the hate Discord was more important than Mass.
Question: will next Sunday be the hate Libertarians day, since you 6-7 tend to go both ways?
I guess the hate Discord was more important than Mass.
Question: will next Sunday be the hate Libertarians day, since you 6-7 tend to go both ways?
Are you claiming those Pizzaballa quotes are made up? They are enough to discount him.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:I didn't doubt that the Catholic Church cares for the poor and disabled. I doubt the BS story being spouted by these clowns.RebelE Infantry said:Oh ya, a Catholic Church caring for the poor and disabled. Now there's a novel and far fetched idea.aTmAg said:I read it. I was talking about the sniper incident, not the tank and the (convenient) "disabled people". That sounds like the 2023 version of the "baby milk factory". You guys fall for anything.RebelE Infantry said:aTmAg said:Good grief indeed. So now we have a tank sniper-killing 2 people in a church? Do you know how any of this works?RebelE Infantry said:Good grief. IDF units operating in Gaza aren't exactly sneaking around and being subtle about it. And I'm quite sure that Hamas isn't rolling around Gaza in tanks.aTmAg said:What is blowing me away is how easily you guys are falling for this.zoneag said:I wonder what a thread would look like on this board if the USS Liberty attack happened today? I'm sure we'd get to be entertained with pretzel twisting logic on why the U.S. Navy might have been engaged in terrorism or something like that. But go on explaining away the IDF attacking women in churches and convents because "oUr gREaTeSt aLly cAn dO No wRoNg"Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:So you want to pretend you do have credibility and the ability to think for yourself? Then answer the question: Is Francis full of crap when he spouts climate change nonsense.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:LOL... you are the guy blindly following everything the Pope and Cardinals say and have been out-maneuvered into admitting that you have no credibility. And yet you are pretending to have "intellectual horsepower" over me?Terminus Est said:I admit that if you were born in Gaza, you'd be one of the first chosen as a suicide bomber by Hamas, given your intellectual horsepower.aTmAg said:So you admit that you have no credibility?Terminus Est said:Why is my credibility germane to the thread about the IDF killing two women in a church in Gaza? Did I make up the links I posted?aTmAg said:
Your credibility is germane to this thread. Which is why I'm asking.
I take it by your refusal to answer that you believe him hook, line, and sinker. Therefore, your credibility is zero on this topic. The OP claim doesn't pass the smell test at all. and yet you can't even recognize the obvious.
Again, my credibility has nothing to do with the topic at hand. For some reason you've decided to make this thread about Jewish excellence, the secret double life of Hamas spy Cdl Pizzaballa, and my credibility.
Out-maneuvered?
"You have no credibility"
-my credibility isn't germane here
"See he admitted it"
Since we both know you will avoid that question like the plague.. how about this: Is it POSSIBLE for a cardinal to lie or be wrong?
Obviously. Is it possible for an IDF soldier to shoot two women in a church for no reason?Quote:
The mother and daughter were walking to the Sister's Convent, the patriarchate said, when gunfire erupted. "One was killed as she tried to carry the other to safety," it added.
Seven others were also shot and wounded in the attack at the complex, where most Gaza's Christian families have taken refuge since the start of the war, according to the patriarchate, which oversees Catholic Churches across Cyprus, Jordan, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.
"No warning was given, no notification was provided," the statement continued. "They were shot in cold blood inside the premises of the parish, where there are no belligerents."https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-church-deaths-intl-hnk/index.htmlQuote:
According to the patriarchate, Israel Defense Forces tanks also targeted the Convent of the Sisters of Mother Theresa, which houses 54 disabled people and is part of the church's compound. The building's generator, its only current source of electricity, as well as its fuel resources, solar panels and water tanks were also destroyed.
I'm in no way saying that Hamas are the good guys, and that Israel isn't justified in their attack, but the attitude that they can never be questioned is kind of a sickening response to stuff like this. Especially coming from Christians and fellow Catholics. Not much concern in this thread from y'all regarding our poor sisters in Christ who were attacked.
Now go ahead and call me an anti-semite for daring to question anything Israel does.
So a sniper shoots people. And everybody suddenly assumes the sniper is Israeli? Even though they have ZERO to gain and EVERYTHING to lose by doing so? Even though Hamas has ALREADY shot and blown up it's own citizens in attempt to score propaganda points? What makes you think that Hamas would bat an eye at shooting Catholics to achieve their goals?
How did the priest, who is already anti-Israel supposedly know this? Did the Israeli sniper stand up, show himself, wave, and say "Shalom!" after? Give me a break. You guys aren't thinking clearly.
Wanna know how I know didn't read the statement by the Patriarchate?
Absolute clown
And read GeographyAg's story. It exposes Pizzaballa as the fraud he is.
I wonder if I'll ever get bored of being right? So far I have not.
"Pizzaballa is a fraud! Look even *checks notes* art critic Maureen Mullarkey agrees with me"!
Velvet Jones said:
Strange that all of these folks claiming to be in communion with the Church were posting on this thread all day on this beautiful Sunday.
I guess the hate Discord was more important than Mass.
Question: will next Sunday be the hate Libertarians day, since you 6-7 tend to go both ways?
You ever hear of 7 am mass?
aTmAg said:Are you claiming those Pizzaballa quotes are made up? They are enough to discount him.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:I didn't doubt that the Catholic Church cares for the poor and disabled. I doubt the BS story being spouted by these clowns.RebelE Infantry said:Oh ya, a Catholic Church caring for the poor and disabled. Now there's a novel and far fetched idea.aTmAg said:I read it. I was talking about the sniper incident, not the tank and the (convenient) "disabled people". That sounds like the 2023 version of the "baby milk factory". You guys fall for anything.RebelE Infantry said:aTmAg said:Good grief indeed. So now we have a tank sniper-killing 2 people in a church? Do you know how any of this works?RebelE Infantry said:Good grief. IDF units operating in Gaza aren't exactly sneaking around and being subtle about it. And I'm quite sure that Hamas isn't rolling around Gaza in tanks.aTmAg said:What is blowing me away is how easily you guys are falling for this.zoneag said:I wonder what a thread would look like on this board if the USS Liberty attack happened today? I'm sure we'd get to be entertained with pretzel twisting logic on why the U.S. Navy might have been engaged in terrorism or something like that. But go on explaining away the IDF attacking women in churches and convents because "oUr gREaTeSt aLly cAn dO No wRoNg"Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:So you want to pretend you do have credibility and the ability to think for yourself? Then answer the question: Is Francis full of crap when he spouts climate change nonsense.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:LOL... you are the guy blindly following everything the Pope and Cardinals say and have been out-maneuvered into admitting that you have no credibility. And yet you are pretending to have "intellectual horsepower" over me?Terminus Est said:I admit that if you were born in Gaza, you'd be one of the first chosen as a suicide bomber by Hamas, given your intellectual horsepower.aTmAg said:So you admit that you have no credibility?Terminus Est said:Why is my credibility germane to the thread about the IDF killing two women in a church in Gaza? Did I make up the links I posted?aTmAg said:
Your credibility is germane to this thread. Which is why I'm asking.
I take it by your refusal to answer that you believe him hook, line, and sinker. Therefore, your credibility is zero on this topic. The OP claim doesn't pass the smell test at all. and yet you can't even recognize the obvious.
Again, my credibility has nothing to do with the topic at hand. For some reason you've decided to make this thread about Jewish excellence, the secret double life of Hamas spy Cdl Pizzaballa, and my credibility.
Out-maneuvered?
"You have no credibility"
-my credibility isn't germane here
"See he admitted it"
Since we both know you will avoid that question like the plague.. how about this: Is it POSSIBLE for a cardinal to lie or be wrong?
Obviously. Is it possible for an IDF soldier to shoot two women in a church for no reason?Quote:
The mother and daughter were walking to the Sister's Convent, the patriarchate said, when gunfire erupted. "One was killed as she tried to carry the other to safety," it added.
Seven others were also shot and wounded in the attack at the complex, where most Gaza's Christian families have taken refuge since the start of the war, according to the patriarchate, which oversees Catholic Churches across Cyprus, Jordan, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.
"No warning was given, no notification was provided," the statement continued. "They were shot in cold blood inside the premises of the parish, where there are no belligerents."https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-church-deaths-intl-hnk/index.htmlQuote:
According to the patriarchate, Israel Defense Forces tanks also targeted the Convent of the Sisters of Mother Theresa, which houses 54 disabled people and is part of the church's compound. The building's generator, its only current source of electricity, as well as its fuel resources, solar panels and water tanks were also destroyed.
I'm in no way saying that Hamas are the good guys, and that Israel isn't justified in their attack, but the attitude that they can never be questioned is kind of a sickening response to stuff like this. Especially coming from Christians and fellow Catholics. Not much concern in this thread from y'all regarding our poor sisters in Christ who were attacked.
Now go ahead and call me an anti-semite for daring to question anything Israel does.
So a sniper shoots people. And everybody suddenly assumes the sniper is Israeli? Even though they have ZERO to gain and EVERYTHING to lose by doing so? Even though Hamas has ALREADY shot and blown up it's own citizens in attempt to score propaganda points? What makes you think that Hamas would bat an eye at shooting Catholics to achieve their goals?
How did the priest, who is already anti-Israel supposedly know this? Did the Israeli sniper stand up, show himself, wave, and say "Shalom!" after? Give me a break. You guys aren't thinking clearly.
Wanna know how I know didn't read the statement by the Patriarchate?
Absolute clown
And read GeographyAg's story. It exposes Pizzaballa as the fraud he is.
I wonder if I'll ever get bored of being right? So far I have not.
"Pizzaballa is a fraud! Look even *checks notes* art critic Maureen Mullarkey agrees with me"!
Discount him as what? Put your cards on the table. Is Cardinal
Pizzaballa making this up? Blaming the IDF for this even though it was Hamas? What will you say if he's right?
Well sure. I've attended many.Terminus Est said:Velvet Jones said:
Strange that all of these folks claiming to be in communion with the Church were posting on this thread all day on this beautiful Sunday.
I guess the hate Discord was more important than Mass.
Question: will next Sunday be the hate Libertarians day, since you 6-7 tend to go both ways?
You ever hear of 7 am mass?
What I've never done is leave 7 am Mass (or any Mass) to log on to a Discord server that exists for no other reason than to coordinate hate, then run to TexAgs to spread bigotry, innuendo, and lies.
My cards are all over the table. They are covering it. Have you not been paying attention?Terminus Est said:Discount him as what? Put your cards on the table. Is CardinalaTmAg said:Are you claiming those Pizzaballa quotes are made up? They are enough to discount him.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:I didn't doubt that the Catholic Church cares for the poor and disabled. I doubt the BS story being spouted by these clowns.RebelE Infantry said:Oh ya, a Catholic Church caring for the poor and disabled. Now there's a novel and far fetched idea.aTmAg said:I read it. I was talking about the sniper incident, not the tank and the (convenient) "disabled people". That sounds like the 2023 version of the "baby milk factory". You guys fall for anything.RebelE Infantry said:aTmAg said:Good grief indeed. So now we have a tank sniper-killing 2 people in a church? Do you know how any of this works?RebelE Infantry said:Good grief. IDF units operating in Gaza aren't exactly sneaking around and being subtle about it. And I'm quite sure that Hamas isn't rolling around Gaza in tanks.aTmAg said:What is blowing me away is how easily you guys are falling for this.zoneag said:I wonder what a thread would look like on this board if the USS Liberty attack happened today? I'm sure we'd get to be entertained with pretzel twisting logic on why the U.S. Navy might have been engaged in terrorism or something like that. But go on explaining away the IDF attacking women in churches and convents because "oUr gREaTeSt aLly cAn dO No wRoNg"Terminus Est said:
Obviously. Is it possible for an IDF soldier to shoot two women in a church for no reason?Quote:
The mother and daughter were walking to the Sister's Convent, the patriarchate said, when gunfire erupted. "One was killed as she tried to carry the other to safety," it added.
Seven others were also shot and wounded in the attack at the complex, where most Gaza's Christian families have taken refuge since the start of the war, according to the patriarchate, which oversees Catholic Churches across Cyprus, Jordan, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.
"No warning was given, no notification was provided," the statement continued. "They were shot in cold blood inside the premises of the parish, where there are no belligerents."https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-church-deaths-intl-hnk/index.htmlQuote:
According to the patriarchate, Israel Defense Forces tanks also targeted the Convent of the Sisters of Mother Theresa, which houses 54 disabled people and is part of the church's compound. The building's generator, its only current source of electricity, as well as its fuel resources, solar panels and water tanks were also destroyed.
I'm in no way saying that Hamas are the good guys, and that Israel isn't justified in their attack, but the attitude that they can never be questioned is kind of a sickening response to stuff like this. Especially coming from Christians and fellow Catholics. Not much concern in this thread from y'all regarding our poor sisters in Christ who were attacked.
Now go ahead and call me an anti-semite for daring to question anything Israel does.
So a sniper shoots people. And everybody suddenly assumes the sniper is Israeli? Even though they have ZERO to gain and EVERYTHING to lose by doing so? Even though Hamas has ALREADY shot and blown up it's own citizens in attempt to score propaganda points? What makes you think that Hamas would bat an eye at shooting Catholics to achieve their goals?
How did the priest, who is already anti-Israel supposedly know this? Did the Israeli sniper stand up, show himself, wave, and say "Shalom!" after? Give me a break. You guys aren't thinking clearly.
Wanna know how I know didn't read the statement by the Patriarchate?
Absolute clown
And read GeographyAg's story. It exposes Pizzaballa as the fraud he is.
I wonder if I'll ever get bored of being right? So far I have not.
"Pizzaballa is a fraud! Look even *checks notes* art critic Maureen Mullarkey agrees with me"!
Pizzaballa making this up? Blaming the IDF for this even though it was Hamas? What will you say if he's right?
Whether they are morons or lying is immaterial. I suspect the local priest who were there are lying and he is just a moron spouting his pre-conceived thoughts. But they could both be lying or both be morons. Not sure.
There is no way in hell they KNOW it was an Israeli sniper. The only responsible thing to do is say "these two people were killed by sniper fire, but we don't know the culprit." Since they are coming out and saying so implies deceit. Unless they were told so by Hamas, then they are morons.
This thread is a total bust. People have turned an accidental shooting (and it was not intentional) into some kind of religious debate. The goal, of the IDF, is not to kill civilians in Gaza, but to reduce Hamas to ashes. That will be difficult as long as Hamas uses human shields (Muslim and Christians) to protect themselves. To stop this slaughter Hamas must surrender now. After that we can morn the dead and search for real answers.
Velvet Jones said:Well sure. I've attended many.Terminus Est said:Velvet Jones said:
Strange that all of these folks claiming to be in communion with the Church were posting on this thread all day on this beautiful Sunday.
I guess the hate Discord was more important than Mass.
Question: will next Sunday be the hate Libertarians day, since you 6-7 tend to go both ways?
You ever hear of 7 am mass?
What I've never done is leave 7 am Mass (or any Mass) to log on to a Discord server that exists for no other reason than to coordinate hate, then run to TexAgs to spread bigotry, innuendo, and lies.
Well you don't have to beg brother, come on in
aTmAg said:My cards are all over the table. They are covering it. Have you not been paying attention?Terminus Est said:Discount him as what? Put your cards on the table. Is CardinalaTmAg said:Are you claiming those Pizzaballa quotes are made up? They are enough to discount him.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:I didn't doubt that the Catholic Church cares for the poor and disabled. I doubt the BS story being spouted by these clowns.RebelE Infantry said:Oh ya, a Catholic Church caring for the poor and disabled. Now there's a novel and far fetched idea.aTmAg said:I read it. I was talking about the sniper incident, not the tank and the (convenient) "disabled people". That sounds like the 2023 version of the "baby milk factory". You guys fall for anything.RebelE Infantry said:aTmAg said:Good grief indeed. So now we have a tank sniper-killing 2 people in a church? Do you know how any of this works?RebelE Infantry said:Good grief. IDF units operating in Gaza aren't exactly sneaking around and being subtle about it. And I'm quite sure that Hamas isn't rolling around Gaza in tanks.aTmAg said:What is blowing me away is how easily you guys are falling for this.zoneag said:I wonder what a thread would look like on this board if the USS Liberty attack happened today? I'm sure we'd get to be entertained with pretzel twisting logic on why the U.S. Navy might have been engaged in terrorism or something like that. But go on explaining away the IDF attacking women in churches and convents because "oUr gREaTeSt aLly cAn dO No wRoNg"Terminus Est said:
Obviously. Is it possible for an IDF soldier to shoot two women in a church for no reason?Quote:
The mother and daughter were walking to the Sister's Convent, the patriarchate said, when gunfire erupted. "One was killed as she tried to carry the other to safety," it added.
Seven others were also shot and wounded in the attack at the complex, where most Gaza's Christian families have taken refuge since the start of the war, according to the patriarchate, which oversees Catholic Churches across Cyprus, Jordan, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.
"No warning was given, no notification was provided," the statement continued. "They were shot in cold blood inside the premises of the parish, where there are no belligerents."https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-church-deaths-intl-hnk/index.htmlQuote:
According to the patriarchate, Israel Defense Forces tanks also targeted the Convent of the Sisters of Mother Theresa, which houses 54 disabled people and is part of the church's compound. The building's generator, its only current source of electricity, as well as its fuel resources, solar panels and water tanks were also destroyed.
I'm in no way saying that Hamas are the good guys, and that Israel isn't justified in their attack, but the attitude that they can never be questioned is kind of a sickening response to stuff like this. Especially coming from Christians and fellow Catholics. Not much concern in this thread from y'all regarding our poor sisters in Christ who were attacked.
Now go ahead and call me an anti-semite for daring to question anything Israel does.
So a sniper shoots people. And everybody suddenly assumes the sniper is Israeli? Even though they have ZERO to gain and EVERYTHING to lose by doing so? Even though Hamas has ALREADY shot and blown up it's own citizens in attempt to score propaganda points? What makes you think that Hamas would bat an eye at shooting Catholics to achieve their goals?
How did the priest, who is already anti-Israel supposedly know this? Did the Israeli sniper stand up, show himself, wave, and say "Shalom!" after? Give me a break. You guys aren't thinking clearly.
Wanna know how I know didn't read the statement by the Patriarchate?
Absolute clown
And read GeographyAg's story. It exposes Pizzaballa as the fraud he is.
I wonder if I'll ever get bored of being right? So far I have not.
"Pizzaballa is a fraud! Look even *checks notes* art critic Maureen Mullarkey agrees with me"!
Pizzaballa making this up? Blaming the IDF for this even though it was Hamas? What will you say if he's right?
Whether they are morons or lying is immaterial. I suspect the local priest who were there are lying and he is just a moron spouting his pre-conceived thoughts. But they could both be lying or both be morons. Not sure.
There is no way in hell they KNOW it was an Israeli sniper. The only responsible thing to do is say "these two people were killed by sniper fire, but we don't know the culprit." Since they are coming out and saying so implies deceit. Unless they were told so by Hamas, then they are morons.
What if they know it was an Israeli sniper? The Vatican News page says that the Israeli's justified it by claiming there was a rocket launcher in the Church, so they obviously either made someone up or spoke to someone.
When it turns out the IDF did this, you'll further justify it. I have no doubt.
If they thought there was a rocket launcher in the Church then that would make it an accident. You assume they did it on purpose, which would be completely idiotic. As they have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Either way, you are wrong and making a fool of yourself.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:My cards are all over the table. They are covering it. Have you not been paying attention?Terminus Est said:Discount him as what? Put your cards on the table. Is CardinalaTmAg said:Are you claiming those Pizzaballa quotes are made up? They are enough to discount him.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:I didn't doubt that the Catholic Church cares for the poor and disabled. I doubt the BS story being spouted by these clowns.RebelE Infantry said:Oh ya, a Catholic Church caring for the poor and disabled. Now there's a novel and far fetched idea.aTmAg said:I read it. I was talking about the sniper incident, not the tank and the (convenient) "disabled people". That sounds like the 2023 version of the "baby milk factory". You guys fall for anything.RebelE Infantry said:aTmAg said:Good grief indeed. So now we have a tank sniper-killing 2 people in a church? Do you know how any of this works?RebelE Infantry said:Good grief. IDF units operating in Gaza aren't exactly sneaking around and being subtle about it. And I'm quite sure that Hamas isn't rolling around Gaza in tanks.aTmAg said:What is blowing me away is how easily you guys are falling for this.zoneag said:I wonder what a thread would look like on this board if the USS Liberty attack happened today? I'm sure we'd get to be entertained with pretzel twisting logic on why the U.S. Navy might have been engaged in terrorism or something like that. But go on explaining away the IDF attacking women in churches and convents because "oUr gREaTeSt aLly cAn dO No wRoNg"Terminus Est said:
Obviously. Is it possible for an IDF soldier to shoot two women in a church for no reason?Quote:
The mother and daughter were walking to the Sister's Convent, the patriarchate said, when gunfire erupted. "One was killed as she tried to carry the other to safety," it added.
Seven others were also shot and wounded in the attack at the complex, where most Gaza's Christian families have taken refuge since the start of the war, according to the patriarchate, which oversees Catholic Churches across Cyprus, Jordan, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.
"No warning was given, no notification was provided," the statement continued. "They were shot in cold blood inside the premises of the parish, where there are no belligerents."https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-church-deaths-intl-hnk/index.htmlQuote:
According to the patriarchate, Israel Defense Forces tanks also targeted the Convent of the Sisters of Mother Theresa, which houses 54 disabled people and is part of the church's compound. The building's generator, its only current source of electricity, as well as its fuel resources, solar panels and water tanks were also destroyed.
I'm in no way saying that Hamas are the good guys, and that Israel isn't justified in their attack, but the attitude that they can never be questioned is kind of a sickening response to stuff like this. Especially coming from Christians and fellow Catholics. Not much concern in this thread from y'all regarding our poor sisters in Christ who were attacked.
Now go ahead and call me an anti-semite for daring to question anything Israel does.
So a sniper shoots people. And everybody suddenly assumes the sniper is Israeli? Even though they have ZERO to gain and EVERYTHING to lose by doing so? Even though Hamas has ALREADY shot and blown up it's own citizens in attempt to score propaganda points? What makes you think that Hamas would bat an eye at shooting Catholics to achieve their goals?
How did the priest, who is already anti-Israel supposedly know this? Did the Israeli sniper stand up, show himself, wave, and say "Shalom!" after? Give me a break. You guys aren't thinking clearly.
Wanna know how I know didn't read the statement by the Patriarchate?
Absolute clown
And read GeographyAg's story. It exposes Pizzaballa as the fraud he is.
I wonder if I'll ever get bored of being right? So far I have not.
"Pizzaballa is a fraud! Look even *checks notes* art critic Maureen Mullarkey agrees with me"!
Pizzaballa making this up? Blaming the IDF for this even though it was Hamas? What will you say if he's right?
Whether they are morons or lying is immaterial. I suspect the local priest who were there are lying and he is just a moron spouting his pre-conceived thoughts. But they could both be lying or both be morons. Not sure.
There is no way in hell they KNOW it was an Israeli sniper. The only responsible thing to do is say "these two people were killed by sniper fire, but we don't know the culprit." Since they are coming out and saying so implies deceit. Unless they were told so by Hamas, then they are morons.
What if they know it was an Israeli sniper? The Vatican News page says that the Israeli's justified it by claiming there was a rocket launcher in the Church, so they obviously either made someone up or spoke to someone.
When it turns out the IDF did this, you'll further justify it. I have no doubt.
BTW, why didn't you provide a link to the Vatican news page?
How do they even know it was "sniper fire"?aTmAg said:My cards are all over the table. They are covering it. Have you not been paying attention?Terminus Est said:Discount him as what? Put your cards on the table. Is CardinalaTmAg said:Are you claiming those Pizzaballa quotes are made up? They are enough to discount him.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:I didn't doubt that the Catholic Church cares for the poor and disabled. I doubt the BS story being spouted by these clowns.RebelE Infantry said:Oh ya, a Catholic Church caring for the poor and disabled. Now there's a novel and far fetched idea.aTmAg said:I read it. I was talking about the sniper incident, not the tank and the (convenient) "disabled people". That sounds like the 2023 version of the "baby milk factory". You guys fall for anything.RebelE Infantry said:aTmAg said:Good grief indeed. So now we have a tank sniper-killing 2 people in a church? Do you know how any of this works?RebelE Infantry said:Good grief. IDF units operating in Gaza aren't exactly sneaking around and being subtle about it. And I'm quite sure that Hamas isn't rolling around Gaza in tanks.aTmAg said:What is blowing me away is how easily you guys are falling for this.zoneag said:I wonder what a thread would look like on this board if the USS Liberty attack happened today? I'm sure we'd get to be entertained with pretzel twisting logic on why the U.S. Navy might have been engaged in terrorism or something like that. But go on explaining away the IDF attacking women in churches and convents because "oUr gREaTeSt aLly cAn dO No wRoNg"Terminus Est said:
Obviously. Is it possible for an IDF soldier to shoot two women in a church for no reason?Quote:
The mother and daughter were walking to the Sister's Convent, the patriarchate said, when gunfire erupted. "One was killed as she tried to carry the other to safety," it added.
Seven others were also shot and wounded in the attack at the complex, where most Gaza's Christian families have taken refuge since the start of the war, according to the patriarchate, which oversees Catholic Churches across Cyprus, Jordan, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.
"No warning was given, no notification was provided," the statement continued. "They were shot in cold blood inside the premises of the parish, where there are no belligerents."https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-church-deaths-intl-hnk/index.htmlQuote:
According to the patriarchate, Israel Defense Forces tanks also targeted the Convent of the Sisters of Mother Theresa, which houses 54 disabled people and is part of the church's compound. The building's generator, its only current source of electricity, as well as its fuel resources, solar panels and water tanks were also destroyed.
I'm in no way saying that Hamas are the good guys, and that Israel isn't justified in their attack, but the attitude that they can never be questioned is kind of a sickening response to stuff like this. Especially coming from Christians and fellow Catholics. Not much concern in this thread from y'all regarding our poor sisters in Christ who were attacked.
Now go ahead and call me an anti-semite for daring to question anything Israel does.
So a sniper shoots people. And everybody suddenly assumes the sniper is Israeli? Even though they have ZERO to gain and EVERYTHING to lose by doing so? Even though Hamas has ALREADY shot and blown up it's own citizens in attempt to score propaganda points? What makes you think that Hamas would bat an eye at shooting Catholics to achieve their goals?
How did the priest, who is already anti-Israel supposedly know this? Did the Israeli sniper stand up, show himself, wave, and say "Shalom!" after? Give me a break. You guys aren't thinking clearly.
Wanna know how I know didn't read the statement by the Patriarchate?
Absolute clown
And read GeographyAg's story. It exposes Pizzaballa as the fraud he is.
I wonder if I'll ever get bored of being right? So far I have not.
"Pizzaballa is a fraud! Look even *checks notes* art critic Maureen Mullarkey agrees with me"!
Pizzaballa making this up? Blaming the IDF for this even though it was Hamas? What will you say if he's right?
Whether they are morons or lying is immaterial. I suspect the local priest who were there are lying and he is just a moron spouting his pre-conceived thoughts. But they could both be lying or both be morons. Not sure.
There is no way in hell they KNOW it was an Israeli sniper. The only responsible thing to do is say "these two people were killed by sniper fire, but we don't know the culprit." Since they are coming out and saying so implies deceit. Unless they were told so by Hamas, then they are morons.
aTmAg said:If they thought there was a rocket launcher in the Church then that would make it an accident. You assume they did it on purpose, which would be completely idiotic. As they have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Either way, you are wrong and making a fool of yourself.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:My cards are all over the table. They are covering it. Have you not been paying attention?Terminus Est said:Discount him as what? Put your cards on the table. Is CardinalaTmAg said:Are you claiming those Pizzaballa quotes are made up? They are enough to discount him.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:I didn't doubt that the Catholic Church cares for the poor and disabled. I doubt the BS story being spouted by these clowns.RebelE Infantry said:Oh ya, a Catholic Church caring for the poor and disabled. Now there's a novel and far fetched idea.aTmAg said:I read it. I was talking about the sniper incident, not the tank and the (convenient) "disabled people". That sounds like the 2023 version of the "baby milk factory". You guys fall for anything.RebelE Infantry said:aTmAg said:Good grief indeed. So now we have a tank sniper-killing 2 people in a church? Do you know how any of this works?RebelE Infantry said:Good grief. IDF units operating in Gaza aren't exactly sneaking around and being subtle about it. And I'm quite sure that Hamas isn't rolling around Gaza in tanks.aTmAg said:What is blowing me away is how easily you guys are falling for this.zoneag said:I wonder what a thread would look like on this board if the USS Liberty attack happened today? I'm sure we'd get to be entertained with pretzel twisting logic on why the U.S. Navy might have been engaged in terrorism or something like that. But go on explaining away the IDF attacking women in churches and convents because "oUr gREaTeSt aLly cAn dO No wRoNg"Terminus Est said:
Obviously. Is it possible for an IDF soldier to shoot two women in a church for no reason?Quote:
The mother and daughter were walking to the Sister's Convent, the patriarchate said, when gunfire erupted. "One was killed as she tried to carry the other to safety," it added.
Seven others were also shot and wounded in the attack at the complex, where most Gaza's Christian families have taken refuge since the start of the war, according to the patriarchate, which oversees Catholic Churches across Cyprus, Jordan, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.
"No warning was given, no notification was provided," the statement continued. "They were shot in cold blood inside the premises of the parish, where there are no belligerents."https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-church-deaths-intl-hnk/index.htmlQuote:
According to the patriarchate, Israel Defense Forces tanks also targeted the Convent of the Sisters of Mother Theresa, which houses 54 disabled people and is part of the church's compound. The building's generator, its only current source of electricity, as well as its fuel resources, solar panels and water tanks were also destroyed.
I'm in no way saying that Hamas are the good guys, and that Israel isn't justified in their attack, but the attitude that they can never be questioned is kind of a sickening response to stuff like this. Especially coming from Christians and fellow Catholics. Not much concern in this thread from y'all regarding our poor sisters in Christ who were attacked.
Now go ahead and call me an anti-semite for daring to question anything Israel does.
So a sniper shoots people. And everybody suddenly assumes the sniper is Israeli? Even though they have ZERO to gain and EVERYTHING to lose by doing so? Even though Hamas has ALREADY shot and blown up it's own citizens in attempt to score propaganda points? What makes you think that Hamas would bat an eye at shooting Catholics to achieve their goals?
How did the priest, who is already anti-Israel supposedly know this? Did the Israeli sniper stand up, show himself, wave, and say "Shalom!" after? Give me a break. You guys aren't thinking clearly.
Wanna know how I know didn't read the statement by the Patriarchate?
Absolute clown
And read GeographyAg's story. It exposes Pizzaballa as the fraud he is.
I wonder if I'll ever get bored of being right? So far I have not.
"Pizzaballa is a fraud! Look even *checks notes* art critic Maureen Mullarkey agrees with me"!
Pizzaballa making this up? Blaming the IDF for this even though it was Hamas? What will you say if he's right?
Whether they are morons or lying is immaterial. I suspect the local priest who were there are lying and he is just a moron spouting his pre-conceived thoughts. But they could both be lying or both be morons. Not sure.
There is no way in hell they KNOW it was an Israeli sniper. The only responsible thing to do is say "these two people were killed by sniper fire, but we don't know the culprit." Since they are coming out and saying so implies deceit. Unless they were told so by Hamas, then they are morons.
What if they know it was an Israeli sniper? The Vatican News page says that the Israeli's justified it by claiming there was a rocket launcher in the Church, so they obviously either made someone up or spoke to someone.
When it turns out the IDF did this, you'll further justify it. I have no doubt.
BTW, why didn't you provide a link to the Vatican news page?
I did, I put a link on the first page.
Here it is again
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/world/news/2023-12/in-gaza-israelis-attack-holy-family-parish-two-women-killed.html
Also, how do you accidentally snipe an 80+ year old woman and her daughter? I guess you just figure if they're in a church and claim there is a rocket launcher there, they're open game?
Anti-semites like to do that...doubledog said:
This thread is a total bust. People have turned an accidental shooting (and it was not intentional) into some kind of religious debate. The goal, of the IDF, is not to kill civilians in Gaza, but to reduce Hamas to ashes. That will be difficult as long as Hamas uses human shields (Muslim and Christians) to protect themselves. To stop this slaughter Hamas must surrender now. After that we can morn the dead and search for real answers.
That article reads like Hamas wrote it...Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:If they thought there was a rocket launcher in the Church then that would make it an accident. You assume they did it on purpose, which would be completely idiotic. As they have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Either way, you are wrong and making a fool of yourself.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:My cards are all over the table. They are covering it. Have you not been paying attention?Terminus Est said:Discount him as what? Put your cards on the table. Is CardinalaTmAg said:Are you claiming those Pizzaballa quotes are made up? They are enough to discount him.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:I didn't doubt that the Catholic Church cares for the poor and disabled. I doubt the BS story being spouted by these clowns.RebelE Infantry said:Oh ya, a Catholic Church caring for the poor and disabled. Now there's a novel and far fetched idea.aTmAg said:I read it. I was talking about the sniper incident, not the tank and the (convenient) "disabled people". That sounds like the 2023 version of the "baby milk factory". You guys fall for anything.RebelE Infantry said:aTmAg said:Good grief indeed. So now we have a tank sniper-killing 2 people in a church? Do you know how any of this works?RebelE Infantry said:Good grief. IDF units operating in Gaza aren't exactly sneaking around and being subtle about it. And I'm quite sure that Hamas isn't rolling around Gaza in tanks.aTmAg said:What is blowing me away is how easily you guys are falling for this.zoneag said:I wonder what a thread would look like on this board if the USS Liberty attack happened today? I'm sure we'd get to be entertained with pretzel twisting logic on why the U.S. Navy might have been engaged in terrorism or something like that. But go on explaining away the IDF attacking women in churches and convents because "oUr gREaTeSt aLly cAn dO No wRoNg"Terminus Est said:
Obviously. Is it possible for an IDF soldier to shoot two women in a church for no reason?Quote:
The mother and daughter were walking to the Sister's Convent, the patriarchate said, when gunfire erupted. "One was killed as she tried to carry the other to safety," it added.
Seven others were also shot and wounded in the attack at the complex, where most Gaza's Christian families have taken refuge since the start of the war, according to the patriarchate, which oversees Catholic Churches across Cyprus, Jordan, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.
"No warning was given, no notification was provided," the statement continued. "They were shot in cold blood inside the premises of the parish, where there are no belligerents."https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-church-deaths-intl-hnk/index.htmlQuote:
According to the patriarchate, Israel Defense Forces tanks also targeted the Convent of the Sisters of Mother Theresa, which houses 54 disabled people and is part of the church's compound. The building's generator, its only current source of electricity, as well as its fuel resources, solar panels and water tanks were also destroyed.
I'm in no way saying that Hamas are the good guys, and that Israel isn't justified in their attack, but the attitude that they can never be questioned is kind of a sickening response to stuff like this. Especially coming from Christians and fellow Catholics. Not much concern in this thread from y'all regarding our poor sisters in Christ who were attacked.
Now go ahead and call me an anti-semite for daring to question anything Israel does.
So a sniper shoots people. And everybody suddenly assumes the sniper is Israeli? Even though they have ZERO to gain and EVERYTHING to lose by doing so? Even though Hamas has ALREADY shot and blown up it's own citizens in attempt to score propaganda points? What makes you think that Hamas would bat an eye at shooting Catholics to achieve their goals?
How did the priest, who is already anti-Israel supposedly know this? Did the Israeli sniper stand up, show himself, wave, and say "Shalom!" after? Give me a break. You guys aren't thinking clearly.
Wanna know how I know didn't read the statement by the Patriarchate?
Absolute clown
And read GeographyAg's story. It exposes Pizzaballa as the fraud he is.
I wonder if I'll ever get bored of being right? So far I have not.
"Pizzaballa is a fraud! Look even *checks notes* art critic Maureen Mullarkey agrees with me"!
Pizzaballa making this up? Blaming the IDF for this even though it was Hamas? What will you say if he's right?
Whether they are morons or lying is immaterial. I suspect the local priest who were there are lying and he is just a moron spouting his pre-conceived thoughts. But they could both be lying or both be morons. Not sure.
There is no way in hell they KNOW it was an Israeli sniper. The only responsible thing to do is say "these two people were killed by sniper fire, but we don't know the culprit." Since they are coming out and saying so implies deceit. Unless they were told so by Hamas, then they are morons.
What if they know it was an Israeli sniper? The Vatican News page says that the Israeli's justified it by claiming there was a rocket launcher in the Church, so they obviously either made someone up or spoke to someone.
When it turns out the IDF did this, you'll further justify it. I have no doubt.
BTW, why didn't you provide a link to the Vatican news page?
I did, I put a link on the first page.
Here it is again
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/world/news/2023-12/in-gaza-israelis-attack-holy-family-parish-two-women-killed.html
Post a link to the Israeli's claiming there was a rocket launcher in the Church. Not a source that repeats the Catholic claim, but from the Israelis...Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:My cards are all over the table. They are covering it. Have you not been paying attention?Terminus Est said:Discount him as what? Put your cards on the table. Is CardinalaTmAg said:Are you claiming those Pizzaballa quotes are made up? They are enough to discount him.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:I didn't doubt that the Catholic Church cares for the poor and disabled. I doubt the BS story being spouted by these clowns.RebelE Infantry said:Oh ya, a Catholic Church caring for the poor and disabled. Now there's a novel and far fetched idea.aTmAg said:I read it. I was talking about the sniper incident, not the tank and the (convenient) "disabled people". That sounds like the 2023 version of the "baby milk factory". You guys fall for anything.RebelE Infantry said:aTmAg said:Good grief indeed. So now we have a tank sniper-killing 2 people in a church? Do you know how any of this works?RebelE Infantry said:Good grief. IDF units operating in Gaza aren't exactly sneaking around and being subtle about it. And I'm quite sure that Hamas isn't rolling around Gaza in tanks.aTmAg said:What is blowing me away is how easily you guys are falling for this.zoneag said:I wonder what a thread would look like on this board if the USS Liberty attack happened today? I'm sure we'd get to be entertained with pretzel twisting logic on why the U.S. Navy might have been engaged in terrorism or something like that. But go on explaining away the IDF attacking women in churches and convents because "oUr gREaTeSt aLly cAn dO No wRoNg"Terminus Est said:
Obviously. Is it possible for an IDF soldier to shoot two women in a church for no reason?Quote:
The mother and daughter were walking to the Sister's Convent, the patriarchate said, when gunfire erupted. "One was killed as she tried to carry the other to safety," it added.
Seven others were also shot and wounded in the attack at the complex, where most Gaza's Christian families have taken refuge since the start of the war, according to the patriarchate, which oversees Catholic Churches across Cyprus, Jordan, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.
"No warning was given, no notification was provided," the statement continued. "They were shot in cold blood inside the premises of the parish, where there are no belligerents."https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-church-deaths-intl-hnk/index.htmlQuote:
According to the patriarchate, Israel Defense Forces tanks also targeted the Convent of the Sisters of Mother Theresa, which houses 54 disabled people and is part of the church's compound. The building's generator, its only current source of electricity, as well as its fuel resources, solar panels and water tanks were also destroyed.
I'm in no way saying that Hamas are the good guys, and that Israel isn't justified in their attack, but the attitude that they can never be questioned is kind of a sickening response to stuff like this. Especially coming from Christians and fellow Catholics. Not much concern in this thread from y'all regarding our poor sisters in Christ who were attacked.
Now go ahead and call me an anti-semite for daring to question anything Israel does.
So a sniper shoots people. And everybody suddenly assumes the sniper is Israeli? Even though they have ZERO to gain and EVERYTHING to lose by doing so? Even though Hamas has ALREADY shot and blown up it's own citizens in attempt to score propaganda points? What makes you think that Hamas would bat an eye at shooting Catholics to achieve their goals?
How did the priest, who is already anti-Israel supposedly know this? Did the Israeli sniper stand up, show himself, wave, and say "Shalom!" after? Give me a break. You guys aren't thinking clearly.
Wanna know how I know didn't read the statement by the Patriarchate?
Absolute clown
And read GeographyAg's story. It exposes Pizzaballa as the fraud he is.
I wonder if I'll ever get bored of being right? So far I have not.
"Pizzaballa is a fraud! Look even *checks notes* art critic Maureen Mullarkey agrees with me"!
Pizzaballa making this up? Blaming the IDF for this even though it was Hamas? What will you say if he's right?
Whether they are morons or lying is immaterial. I suspect the local priest who were there are lying and he is just a moron spouting his pre-conceived thoughts. But they could both be lying or both be morons. Not sure.
There is no way in hell they KNOW it was an Israeli sniper. The only responsible thing to do is say "these two people were killed by sniper fire, but we don't know the culprit." Since they are coming out and saying so implies deceit. Unless they were told so by Hamas, then they are morons.
What if they know it was an Israeli sniper? The Vatican News page says that the Israeli's justified it by claiming there was a rocket launcher in the Church, so they obviously either made someone up or spoke to someone.
When it turns out the IDF did this, you'll further justify it. I have no doubt.
The Israeli's are saying absolutely nothing about the situation. If anyone has a link to anything they've said about it, I'd like to see it
https://www.foxnews.com/world/idf-confirm-incident-gaza-church-patriarch-says-2-christian-women-killed-convent-bombed
Looks like they've issued a small statement
We will see what they find
Looks like they've issued a small statement
Quote:
When reviewing incidents that may have taken place in the vicinity of churches in Gaza, it was found that an incident took place during yesterday afternoon (Saturday) in another area in Gaza, near the Latin Church in the Shejayia area," an IDF spokesperson told Fox News Digital in a statement.
The statement continued, "An initial review suggests that IDF troops, who were operating against Hamas terrorists in the area, operated against a threat that they identified in the area of the church. The IDF is conducting a thorough review of the incident."
We will see what they find
LOL. Did a high school student write that?Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:If they thought there was a rocket launcher in the Church then that would make it an accident. You assume they did it on purpose, which would be completely idiotic. As they have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Either way, you are wrong and making a fool of yourself.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:My cards are all over the table. They are covering it. Have you not been paying attention?Terminus Est said:Discount him as what? Put your cards on the table. Is CardinalaTmAg said:Are you claiming those Pizzaballa quotes are made up? They are enough to discount him.Terminus Est said:aTmAg said:I didn't doubt that the Catholic Church cares for the poor and disabled. I doubt the BS story being spouted by these clowns.RebelE Infantry said:Oh ya, a Catholic Church caring for the poor and disabled. Now there's a novel and far fetched idea.aTmAg said:I read it. I was talking about the sniper incident, not the tank and the (convenient) "disabled people". That sounds like the 2023 version of the "baby milk factory". You guys fall for anything.RebelE Infantry said:aTmAg said:
Good grief indeed. So now we have a tank sniper-killing 2 people in a church? Do you know how any of this works?
Wanna know how I know didn't read the statement by the Patriarchate?
Absolute clown
And read GeographyAg's story. It exposes Pizzaballa as the fraud he is.
I wonder if I'll ever get bored of being right? So far I have not.
"Pizzaballa is a fraud! Look even *checks notes* art critic Maureen Mullarkey agrees with me"!
Pizzaballa making this up? Blaming the IDF for this even though it was Hamas? What will you say if he's right?
Whether they are morons or lying is immaterial. I suspect the local priest who were there are lying and he is just a moron spouting his pre-conceived thoughts. But they could both be lying or both be morons. Not sure.
There is no way in hell they KNOW it was an Israeli sniper. The only responsible thing to do is say "these two people were killed by sniper fire, but we don't know the culprit." Since they are coming out and saying so implies deceit. Unless they were told so by Hamas, then they are morons.
What if they know it was an Israeli sniper? The Vatican News page says that the Israeli's justified it by claiming there was a rocket launcher in the Church, so they obviously either made someone up or spoke to someone.
When it turns out the IDF did this, you'll further justify it. I have no doubt.
BTW, why didn't you provide a link to the Vatican news page?
I did, I put a link on the first page.
Here it is again
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/world/news/2023-12/in-gaza-israelis-attack-holy-family-parish-two-women-killed.html
Also, how do you accidentally snipe an 80+ year old woman and her daughter? I guess you just figure if they're in a church and claim there is a rocket launcher there, they're open game?
The Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem was clearly their source. How did the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem confirm that? They catch the guy? Get the weapon? Do ballistics? Hell, that article doesn't even quote the IDF or even reference a spokesman. Compare that vagueness to this:Quote:
A statement released by the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem confirmed that an Israeli sniper murdered two Christian women inside the Holy Family Parish where the majority of Christian families have taken refuge since the start of the war.
Sounds like a flat denial to me.Quote:
The Israel Defense Forces refuted on Sunday a claim that it had targeted a Catholic parish in the Gaza Strip, after the Latin patriarch of Jerusalem asserted that an elderly Christian woman and her daughter had been shot and killed by an Israeli sniper on the grounds of the Holy Family Parish on Saturday.
Stressing that the IDF "does not target civilians, no matter their religion," the army told AFP that it had on Saturday been contacted by church representatives about an incident in the Holy Family Parish, but "no reports of a hit on the church, nor civilians being injured or killed, were raised."
"A review of the IDF's operational findings support this," it added. "The IDF takes claims regarding harm to sensitive sites with the utmost seriousness especially churches considering that Christian communities are a minority group in the Middle East."
Terminus Est said:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/idf-confirm-incident-gaza-church-patriarch-says-2-christian-women-killed-convent-bombed
Looks like they've issued a small statementQuote:
When reviewing incidents that may have taken place in the vicinity of churches in Gaza, it was found that an incident took place during yesterday afternoon (Saturday) in another area in Gaza, near the Latin Church in the Shejayia area," an IDF spokesperson told Fox News Digital in a statement.
The statement continued, "An initial review suggests that IDF troops, who were operating against Hamas terrorists in the area, operated against a threat that they identified in the area of the church. The IDF is conducting a thorough review of the incident."
We will see what they find
Holy vagueness. This may as well be an admission of guilt. Look forward to all the retractions from the Israel first crowd.
You Hamas first crowd can't have it both ways. You can't basically call them genocidal maniacs who target innocent people for the hell of it and then assume the IDF is honest when reporting what happened.
If they have no problem murdering innocents, then they'd have no problem lying about it too. If killing innocents was their intent, then they would do it secretly as hell and deny being in the area altogether.
Either Hamas did it and is blaming Israel or it was an accident.
If they have no problem murdering innocents, then they'd have no problem lying about it too. If killing innocents was their intent, then they would do it secretly as hell and deny being in the area altogether.
Either Hamas did it and is blaming Israel or it was an accident.
I'm sure they didn't do it intentionally. However I think their bar for trying to avoid civilian casualties is low. I mean, they shot 3 hostages that were waving a white flag, one even yelled "help" in Hebrew. Don't get me wrong, I don't think they did that intentionally at all. And I know mistakes happen in war, and tensions are high. But if they hadn't been hostages, and they had been actual civlians, I don't anyone would have ever known that incident happened except for the soldiers that shot them.aTmAg said:
You Hamas first crowd can't have it both ways. You can't basically call them genocidal maniacs who target innocent people for the hell of it and then assume the IDF is honest when reporting what happened.
If they have no problem murdering innocents, then they'd have no problem lying about it too. If killing innocents was their intent, then they would do it secretly as hell and deny being in the area altogether.
Either Hamas did it and is blaming Israel or it was an accident.
Also, Israelis (especially the right wing/setter types), don't give a crap if and Arab is Muslim or Christian. They might hate the Muslim arabs slightly more than the Christians, but Christians are harassed alongside the Muslims in Jerusalem. The only reason they care is to keep it to a minimum so as to make sure Christians from around the world keep sending them money.
You have GOT to be smoking crack. They do more to avoid enemy civilian casualties than any war combatant in history. They created a corridor protecting Palestinian civilians against Hamas so that those civilians could get out. They actually CALL AHEAD before they bomb building so civilians can get out. It's Hamas that shoots them when they try to leave. We didn't do any of that for the axis powers during WW2. And even the former axis countries today consider Americans to be the good guys in that war.traxter said:I'm sure they didn't do it intentionally. However I think their bar for trying to avoid civilian casualties is low. I mean, they shot 3 hostages that were waving a white flag, one even yelled "help" in Hebrew. Don't get me wrong, I don't think they did that intentionally at all. And I know mistakes happen in war, and tensions are high. But if they hadn't been hostages, and they had been actual civlians, I don't anyone would have ever known that incident happened except for the soldiers that shot them.aTmAg said:
You Hamas first crowd can't have it both ways. You can't basically call them genocidal maniacs who target innocent people for the hell of it and then assume the IDF is honest when reporting what happened.
If they have no problem murdering innocents, then they'd have no problem lying about it too. If killing innocents was their intent, then they would do it secretly as hell and deny being in the area altogether.
Either Hamas did it and is blaming Israel or it was an accident.
Also, Israelis (especially the right wing/setter types), don't give a crap if and Arab is Muslim or Christian. They might hate the Muslim arabs slightly more than the Christians, but Christians are harassed alongside the Muslims in Jerusalem. The only reason they care is to keep it to a minimum so as to make sure Christians from around the world keep sending them money.
And the idea that they only hate Hamas "slightly more" than Christians is ridiculous. Christians aren't raping their women and children. They aren't putting their babies in ovens. Good lord, you guys are making fools of yourselves.
aTmAg said:
You Hamas first crowd can't have it both ways. You can't basically call them genocidal maniacs who target innocent people for the hell of it and then assume the IDF is honest when reporting what happened.
If they have no problem murdering innocents, then they'd have no problem lying about it too. If killing innocents was their intent, then they would do it secretly as hell and deny being in the area altogether.
Either Hamas did it and is blaming Israel or it was an accident.
Whole lotta "accidents" recently.
shack009 said:Whole lotta "accidents" recently.aTmAg said:
You Hamas first crowd can't have it both ways. You can't basically call them genocidal maniacs who target innocent people for the hell of it and then assume the IDF is honest when reporting what happened.
If they have no problem murdering innocents, then they'd have no problem lying about it too. If killing innocents was their intent, then they would do it secretly as hell and deny being in the area altogether.
Either Hamas did it and is blaming Israel or it was an accident.
My ass. A whole lot of Hamas endangering their own citizens for PR purposes and idiots falling for it.
It is called WAR.shack009 said:aTmAg said:
You Hamas first crowd can't have it both ways. You can't basically call them genocidal maniacs who target innocent people for the hell of it and then assume the IDF is honest when reporting what happened.
If they have no problem murdering innocents, then they'd have no problem lying about it too. If killing innocents was their intent, then they would do it secretly as hell and deny being in the area altogether.
Either Hamas did it and is blaming Israel or it was an accident.
Whole lotta "accidents" recently.
But people like you only hold Israelis to the impossible standard of having zero civilian casualties because they're Jews.
Hell, you don't condemn Hamas/Islamic Jihad for blowing up their own people, for shooting their own people, or putting babies in ovens, but you lose your **** because a few civilians and hostages have been killed in a war.
You would really flip out if the Israels did the United States did in World War II, which is carpet bomb entire cities with high explosives, burn entire cities to the ground with heavy bomber napalm strikes, or using nuclear weapons on enemy cities.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
It's WAR so it's ok that Hamas killed civilians too, right?
I actually think it's bad when either side kills civilians.
I condemn Hamas for murdering civilians and I condemn Israel for the same.
I actually think it's bad when either side kills civilians.
I condemn Hamas for murdering civilians and I condemn Israel for the same.
It was wrong when the US did it and it would be wrong if Israel or anybody else did it today.Rapier108 said:It is called WAR.shack009 said:aTmAg said:
You Hamas first crowd can't have it both ways. You can't basically call them genocidal maniacs who target innocent people for the hell of it and then assume the IDF is honest when reporting what happened.
If they have no problem murdering innocents, then they'd have no problem lying about it too. If killing innocents was their intent, then they would do it secretly as hell and deny being in the area altogether.
Either Hamas did it and is blaming Israel or it was an accident.
Whole lotta "accidents" recently.
But people like you only hold Israelis to the impossible standard of having zero civilian casualties because they're Jews.
Hell, you don't condemn Hamas/Islamic Jihad for blowing up their own people, for shooting their own people, or putting babies in ovens, but you lose your **** because a few civilians and hostages have been killed in a war.
You would really flip out if the Israels did the United States did in World War II, which is carpet bomb entire cities with high explosives, burn entire cities to the ground with heavy bomber napalm strikes, or using nuclear weapons on enemy cities.
Pookers said:It was wrong when the US did it and it would be wrong if Israel or anybody else did it today.Rapier108 said:It is called WAR.shack009 said:aTmAg said:
You Hamas first crowd can't have it both ways. You can't basically call them genocidal maniacs who target innocent people for the hell of it and then assume the IDF is honest when reporting what happened.
If they have no problem murdering innocents, then they'd have no problem lying about it too. If killing innocents was their intent, then they would do it secretly as hell and deny being in the area altogether.
Either Hamas did it and is blaming Israel or it was an accident.
Whole lotta "accidents" recently.
But people like you only hold Israelis to the impossible standard of having zero civilian casualties because they're Jews.
Hell, you don't condemn Hamas/Islamic Jihad for blowing up their own people, for shooting their own people, or putting babies in ovens, but you lose your **** because a few civilians and hostages have been killed in a war.
You would really flip out if the Israels did the United States did in World War II, which is carpet bomb entire cities with high explosives, burn entire cities to the ground with heavy bomber napalm strikes, or using nuclear weapons on enemy cities.
I didn't want to answer that question because it's a whole other can of worms that may need it's own thread.
Similar to Godwin's law, there's an internet law that all discussions of war are approaching "the US should not have dropped the bombs" or "the US should not have entered WWI."
I didn't realize people were still going with the "Hamas burned babies in ovens" propaganda. Reminds me of the "bear and the eagle" and "lampshades and belts" hoaxes from WWII.
Hamas is evil enough without having to concoct hoaxes about them.
Hamas is evil enough without having to concoct hoaxes about them.
So you would have us just surrender in WWII rather than fight back?Pookers said:It was wrong when the US did it and it would be wrong if Israel or anybody else did it today.Rapier108 said:It is called WAR.shack009 said:aTmAg said:
You Hamas first crowd can't have it both ways. You can't basically call them genocidal maniacs who target innocent people for the hell of it and then assume the IDF is honest when reporting what happened.
If they have no problem murdering innocents, then they'd have no problem lying about it too. If killing innocents was their intent, then they would do it secretly as hell and deny being in the area altogether.
Either Hamas did it and is blaming Israel or it was an accident.
Whole lotta "accidents" recently.
But people like you only hold Israelis to the impossible standard of having zero civilian casualties because they're Jews.
Hell, you don't condemn Hamas/Islamic Jihad for blowing up their own people, for shooting their own people, or putting babies in ovens, but you lose your **** because a few civilians and hostages have been killed in a war.
You would really flip out if the Israels did the United States did in World War II, which is carpet bomb entire cities with high explosives, burn entire cities to the ground with heavy bomber napalm strikes, or using nuclear weapons on enemy cities.
WTF is wrong with you?
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
Do you think killing somebody in self defense is equal to killing somebody for the hell of it?shack009 said:
It's WAR so it's ok that Hamas killed civilians too, right?
I actually think it's bad when either side kills civilians.
I condemn Hamas for murdering civilians and I condemn Israel for the same.
Do you guys think for more than 30 seconds about things before you post?
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