Dating disparities between high value men and average men not sustainable

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Hungry Ojos
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Let me give you young dorks some advice. There is only one thing you need to know how to do to get women. You have to know how to talk to them. Women are easily manipulated and can be fooled just as easily as a raccoon with a mirror. Trick them. Make them believe they need to be with you. Not overly cocky but confident. If you say things on your date like "veg out" or "Netflix and chill" or "no worries", you're going to expose yourself as the beta you are. Pretend to like coffee black. Pretend to know how to chamber a gun. Drive a Tesla? Trade it in. Order a bourbon on ice instead of a white claw. This isn't hard. Basically what I'm trying to get across to you chick repellant losers is at least try to act like a man.
Silent For Too Long
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Pookers said:

Petrino1 said:

What's this supposed to prove, that attractive men get more matches and preferential treatment on dating apps compared to average or below average looking men? Color me shocked!!
The problem is your fugly / average women are getting to sleep with men way out of their leagues. The women then assume this is who they should be locking down in a relationship which will never happen. You end up with ugly / average women with unrealistic expectations and the majority of men being locked out of the dating pool.


No one is being " locked out " of the dating pool.

Seriously, do ya'll ever leave your houses?

Now, this isn't to say it doesn't take effort, and if you are a male actually accomplishing **** first goes a long way, but because of where I work I see a massive segment of the population every day and guys are still outkicking their coverage on the regular.
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MouthBQ98 said:

Logos Stick said:

Will they be single and childless though?

Seems to me they'll screw every Chad out there and at some point realize they are nothing more than a *****.

Then they will fall to earth and lower their standards. Unless men are willing to completely swear them off, they'll find someone at that point.

I don't see women losing at all here.


There is a reason "big brother" the welfare provider has become more politically popular amongst the females. Want to have cake of taking risks and eat it also of having financial security. It's easy to buy votes by offering that financial security on the part of government assistance.

Males are on the way to being voted into becoming worker drones. Labor away, pay taxes, carry the load for female voters mostly disinterested in them. Not all, or even a big fraction, but a possibly destabilizing fraction of the population unless our social behavior trends change. Our deep biological proclivities are not necessarily prepared or evolved for our technology where social behavior is concerned.
J.D. Unwin wrote about the collapse of your civilization in two generations when sexual morals are loosened to this extent. His book, "Sex and Culture", examined numerous civilized cultures over the world.
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Curious how many posters so far are married folks commenting on the dating scene in the USA.
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I'm glad I'm too old to have ever used dating apps. Whatever happened to meeting chicks at bars the old fashioned way?
I'm keeping the tradition alive. Not that it needs my help as the old fashioned way is still going strong. A lot of people, including myself, don't like dating apps. I tried them for a while many years ago and they were ok. I met up with several women but it always felt a little weird, like it was an interview for an arranged marriage.

It's way more exhilarating at a bar to catch a glimpse from a woman that has placed herself in your orbit and strike up a conversation.
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Pookers said:

Petrino1 said:

What's this supposed to prove, that attractive men get more matches and preferential treatment on dating apps compared to average or below average looking men? Color me shocked!!
The problem is your fugly / average women are getting to sleep with men way out of their leagues. The women then assume this is who they should be locking down in a relationship which will never happen. You end up with ugly / average women with unrealistic expectations and the majority of men being locked out of the dating pool.
You'd think after Chad bangs them and ghosts them, their expectations would be tempered a bit. Seems like a self correcting problem
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captkirk said:

Pookers said:

Petrino1 said:

What's this supposed to prove, that attractive men get more matches and preferential treatment on dating apps compared to average or below average looking men? Color me shocked!!
The problem is your fugly / average women are getting to sleep with men way out of their leagues. The women then assume this is who they should be locking down in a relationship which will never happen. You end up with ugly / average women with unrealistic expectations and the majority of men being locked out of the dating pool.
You'd think after Chad bangs them and ghosts them, their expectations would be tempered a bit. Seems like a self correcting problem
Its self correcting after they burn through their 20s.
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Hungry Ojos said:

Let me give you young dorks some advice. There is only one thing you need to know how to do to get women. You have to know how to talk to them. Women are easily manipulated and can be fooled just as easily as a raccoon with a mirror. Trick them. Make them believe they need to be with you. Not overly cocky but confident. If you say things on your date like "veg out" or "Netflix and chill" or "no worries", you're going to expose yourself as the beta you are. Pretend to like coffee black. Pretend to know how to chamber a gun. Drive a Tesla? Trade it in. Order a bourbon on ice instead of a white claw. This isn't hard. Basically what I'm trying to get across to you chick repellant losers is at least try to act like a man.
By Jove, I like the cut of your jib
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93MarineHorn said:

Every time these threads come up I always wonder if the doomsayers ever actually go out to bars and see what's going on. They're packed with men and women of all ranges (1 - 10) mingling and often hooking up. You will see less than desirable people having fun with each other and leaving together. You absolutely do not need to be an alpha male to get women. It's just a lot easier if you are.


Single women vote upwards of 75% left. If you don't think this is a problem then you're delusional.
Nanomachines son
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mm98 said:

I feel like there should be striking data similarities when these concerns came up 10+ years ago about internet porn and its impact on men not having realistic views of women.





The men aren't even given a chance, how would their view of woman even come into play? As in, the women ignore 95% of men yet it's somehow men's fault?
Nanomachines son
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Hungry Ojos said:

Let me give you young dorks some advice. There is only one thing you need to know how to do to get women. You have to know how to talk to them. Women are easily manipulated and can be fooled just as easily as a raccoon with a mirror. Trick them. Make them believe they need to be with you. Not overly cocky but confident. If you say things on your date like "veg out" or "Netflix and chill" or "no worries", you're going to expose yourself as the beta you are. Pretend to like coffee black. Pretend to know how to chamber a gun. Drive a Tesla? Trade it in. Order a bourbon on ice instead of a white claw. This isn't hard. Basically what I'm trying to get across to you chick repellant losers is at least try to act like a man.


Of course you can lie to women. You want to know why Pickup artists and that entire manosphere movement died? Because none of that matters anymore in a world of dating apps and online meeting. You are either Chad or you're not and you get ignored.

I don't think you realize just how bad it's become.
Hungry Ojos
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Sounds like excuses to me. You want a girl? Go take her.
mm98
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Nanomachines son said:

mm98 said:

I feel like there should be striking data similarities when these concerns came up 10+ years ago about internet porn and its impact on men not having realistic views of women.





The men aren't even given a chance, how would their view of woman even come into play? As in, the women ignore 95% of men yet it's somehow men's fault?


That's not what I meant at all. I was comparing one problem with another problem wondering if the data mapped out similarly

Prob an unintentional derail now that I look back at my comment. Ignore and carry on.
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I have to admit the lingo and some of the responses on this thread are over my head.

But if the topic is actually that women won't settle down with men...being hardworking, nice, and having the ability to take a joke and tell a joke goes a long way. Regardless of what stats get thrown around on Twitter/X.

If the issue is that regular guys can't get Instagram 10s to hook up with them....then that's a problem that doesn't presage the end of society in my opinion and I'm not too concerned about it.
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While I'm sure there should be some concern, I wouldn't be surprised if this catfishing dude caught a whole bunch of other scam artist catfishing dudes and chicks on a dating app.
Pookers
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Lance Uppercut said:

I have to admit the lingo and some of the responses on this thread are over my head.

But if the topic is actually that women won't settle down with men...being hardworking, nice, and having the ability to take a joke and tell a joke goes a long way. Regardless of what stats get thrown around on Twitter/X.

If the issue is that regular guys can't get Instagram 10s to hook up with them....then that's a problem that doesn't presage the end of society in my opinion and I'm not too concerned about it.
Thats not at all whats going on. Quite the opposite.
Nanomachines son
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Lance Uppercut said:

I have to admit the lingo and some of the responses on this thread are over my head.

But if the topic is actually that women won't settle down with men...being hardworking, nice, and having the ability to take a joke and tell a joke goes a long way. Regardless of what stats get thrown around on Twitter/X.

If the issue is that regular guys can't get Instagram 10s to hook up with them....then that's a problem that doesn't presage the end of society in my opinion and I'm not too concerned about it.




Average female expectation for a relationship.
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I am an average looking guy in my 40's and dating apps are like shooting fish in a barrel. I didn't click on the tweets to see the difference between the two guys, but how he is making out dating apps to be is far different than my experience.
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If you're just looking for sex then yes, it seems easy to find another person on apps if you're physically attractive.

Can someone fill me in, why is there an "x" at the end of every text? Does that mean they're done sending messages?


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Hungry Ojos said:

Sounds like excuses to me. You want a girl? Go take her.

That's called kidnapping. Last I checked it wasn't legal.
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Incels are a subculture of people, mostly white, male, and heterosexual, who define themselves as unable to get a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one. They often express extreme resentment and hostility toward women and society for their lack of romantic success.

Some common characteristics of incel culture are:

  • A belief in biological determinism, which means that one's physical appearance and genetics determine one's attractiveness and social status.
  • A fixation on the concept of "Chad" and "Stacy", which are derogatory terms for attractive and sexually successful men and women, respectively.
  • A sense of entitlement to sex, which is seen as a basic human right that is unjustly denied to them by women and society.
  • A promotion of violence, especially sexual violence, against women and sexually active people, as a form of revenge or justice.
  • A nihilistic and fatalistic worldview, which sees no hope or possibility of change or improvement in their situation.

There is no definitive answer to why incels believe they are entitled to sex from women, but some possible factors are:
  • A lack of social skills and emotional intelligence, which makes it difficult for them to form healthy and satisfying relationships.
  • A distorted perception of reality, which is influenced by online echo chambers, misinformation, and confirmation bias.
  • A low self-esteem and self-worth, which leads to feelings of inferiority, insecurity, and resentment.
  • A history of trauma, abuse, or rejection, which causes pain, anger, and distrust.
  • A sense of powerlessness and frustration, which fuels a desire for control and dominance.

"I am neither an Athenian nor a Greek, but a citizen of the world"-Plato, attributed to Socrates, Theaetetus-
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Bill Clinternet said:

Incels are a subculture of people, mostly white, male, and heterosexual, who define themselves as unable to get a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one. They often express extreme resentment and hostility toward women and society for their lack of romantic success.

Some common characteristics of incel culture are:

  • A belief in biological determinism, which means that one's physical appearance and genetics determine one's attractiveness and social status.
  • A fixation on the concept of "Chad" and "Stacy", which are derogatory terms for attractive and sexually successful men and women, respectively.
  • A sense of entitlement to sex, which is seen as a basic human right that is unjustly denied to them by women and society.
  • A promotion of violence, especially sexual violence, against women and sexually active people, as a form of revenge or justice.
  • A nihilistic and fatalistic worldview, which sees no hope or possibility of change or improvement in their situation.

There is no definitive answer to why incels believe they are entitled to sex from women, but some possible factors are:
  • A lack of social skills and emotional intelligence, which makes it difficult for them to form healthy and satisfying relationships.
  • A distorted perception of reality, which is influenced by online echo chambers, misinformation, and confirmation bias.
  • A low self-esteem and self-worth, which leads to feelings of inferiority, insecurity, and resentment.
  • A history of trauma, abuse, or rejection, which causes pain, anger, and distrust.
  • A sense of powerlessness and frustration, which fuels a desire for control and dominance.





Nice use of ChatGPT.
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Lance Uppercut said:

I have to admit the lingo and some of the responses on this thread are over my head.

But if the topic is actually that women won't settle down with men...being hardworking, nice, and having the ability to take a joke and tell a joke goes a long way. Regardless of what stats get thrown around on Twitter/X.

If the issue is that regular guys can't get Instagram 10s to hook up with them....then that's a problem that doesn't presage the end of society in my opinion and I'm not too concerned about it.


Yeah, you definitely wasted your time reading or responding because you completely missed the point.
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Nanomachines son said:

93MarineHorn said:

Every time these threads come up I always wonder if the doomsayers ever actually go out to bars and see what's going on. They're packed with men and women of all ranges (1 - 10) mingling and often hooking up. You will see less than desirable people having fun with each other and leaving together. You absolutely do not need to be an alpha male to get women. It's just a lot easier if you are.


Single women vote upwards of 75% left. If you don't think this is a problem then you're delusional.
That's a different subject that will undoubtedly bring silly comments about repealing women's suffrage. We're talking about the incorrect opinion that 80% of men can't get a woman because chicks only want alphas. A visit to any bar on a Friday or Saturday night will put that idea to bed.
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93MarineHorn said:

Nanomachines son said:

93MarineHorn said:

Every time these threads come up I always wonder if the doomsayers ever actually go out to bars and see what's going on. They're packed with men and women of all ranges (1 - 10) mingling and often hooking up. You will see less than desirable people having fun with each other and leaving together. You absolutely do not need to be an alpha male to get women. It's just a lot easier if you are.


Single women vote upwards of 75% left. If you don't think this is a problem then you're delusional.
That's a different subject that will undoubtedly bring silly comments about repealing women's suffrage. We're talking about the incorrect opinion that 80% of men can't get a woman because chicks only want alphas. A visit to any bar on a Friday or Saturday night will put that idea to bed.


They are directly related. Married women vote conservative while single women vote liberal. You fix the dating problem and you fix society.
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Logos Stick said:

Lance Uppercut said:

I have to admit the lingo and some of the responses on this thread are over my head.

But if the topic is actually that women won't settle down with men...being hardworking, nice, and having the ability to take a joke and tell a joke goes a long way. Regardless of what stats get thrown around on Twitter/X.

If the issue is that regular guys can't get Instagram 10s to hook up with them....then that's a problem that doesn't presage the end of society in my opinion and I'm not too concerned about it.


Yeah, you definitely wasted your time reading or responding because you completely missed the point.
The topic seems to be that women think they're all worthy of a 10, so regular dudes can't get coupled up. Is that right?

Anecdotally, across the large majority of people that I've met or know, that hasn't been an issue. So this is the first I'm hearing of it.
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Hungry Ojos said:

Logos Stick said:

Hungry Ojos said:

Can someone help an old guy understand what the hell all of this is about?


If you were young now, unless you are a 6-5, blond hair, blue eyed stud with muscles and lots of money, you ain't getting a date. Even with a below average female.


Looks like I would've been fine.


I am beyond grateful I found my wife. Lucky doesn't even begin to describe it.

Before we met, I went on one of the apps and turned it off after 24 hours. I'm not saying I'm the greatest thing since sliced bread but holy crap the response was crazy overwhelming. The ladies out there are thirsty and I wanted no part of it.
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Rapier108 said:

And it really isn't that new of a thing. Probably been a thing since time immemorial, it is just more open and obvious now.

20 years ago, I remember the church girls always said they were "waiting for my Boaz" which they claimed meant they were waiting for the man "God intended." What it really meant was they were waiting for the rich guy, or the guy who had a high potential for making a lot of money.

Yep, pretty much everywhere among the FBC crowd back then. Their 'must have' lists were a mile long. Wonder how the ones that finished school before finding anybody ended up.
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Pookers said:

Petrino1 said:

What's this supposed to prove, that attractive men get more matches and preferential treatment on dating apps compared to average or below average looking men? Color me shocked!!
The problem is your fugly / average women are getting to sleep with men way out of their leagues. The women then assume this is who they should be locking down in a relationship which will never happen. You end up with ugly / average women with unrealistic expectations and the majority of men being locked out of the dating pool.
I'm single again after 20+ years of marriage, and trying these apps out.

I think that this is the reality.

If you want to meet a decent girl with any type of real morals, you just put on your profile that you are looking for a long-term marriage. I'm not Brad Pitt, but I'm not morbidly obese, either. Just a dude with a great job, great grown daughters, and a bit of a dad bod.

I get plenty of attention from A) divorced women my age with kids that are in college or almost there and a good career. I also get attention from B) women that are about a decade to 15 years younger than me that are looking for kids, and happy to settle down with an older guy like me. I also get a lot of attention from C) 20-year old women pretending to be about a decade older than they are that are just fine and dandy with someone that will take them out for a good time at a really nice place, as long as you are willing to buy expensive food, drinks, and gifts, no strings attached. Finally, I am surprised at how many F) men pretending to be women there are.

I pretty much only respond to A. But, there are a couple of B's that are intriguing.

I feel pretty sorry for the great, authentic girls out there that are fairly attractive, but have, for instance, a strong chin. Terrible market for those ladies.
Logos Stick
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Lance Uppercut said:

Logos Stick said:

Lance Uppercut said:

I have to admit the lingo and some of the responses on this thread are over my head.

But if the topic is actually that women won't settle down with men...being hardworking, nice, and having the ability to take a joke and tell a joke goes a long way. Regardless of what stats get thrown around on Twitter/X.

If the issue is that regular guys can't get Instagram 10s to hook up with them....then that's a problem that doesn't presage the end of society in my opinion and I'm not too concerned about it.


Yeah, you definitely wasted your time reading or responding because you completely missed the point.
The topic seems to be that women think they're all worthy of a 10, so regular dudes can't get coupled up. Is that right?

Anecdotally, across the large majority of people that I've met or know, that hasn't been an issue. So this is the first I'm hearing of it.


No, that is incorrect.

The Chads on the dating apps will boink anything that moves. They boink 3-10 females. Thus, 90% of the females are hooking up with 5-10% of the males.

That's a fact. The stats bear it out.

I know a young male who loaded an app on his phone to swipe every female. Every female gets swiped. Then he goes back and filters. He said you have to do that if you're not top 10% because you'll never get a match by swiping only the females you're interested in. That's because most of those females are boinking Chad and not swiping you.

And the poster who says it doesn't reflect real life is clueless. Kids grow up attached to social media. This is how they meet and hook up.
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Logos Stick said:

Bill Clinternet said:

Incels are a subculture of people, mostly white, male, and heterosexual, who define themselves as unable to get a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one. They often express extreme resentment and hostility toward women and society for their lack of romantic success.

Some common characteristics of incel culture are:

  • A belief in biological determinism, which means that one's physical appearance and genetics determine one's attractiveness and social status.
  • A fixation on the concept of "Chad" and "Stacy", which are derogatory terms for attractive and sexually successful men and women, respectively.
  • A sense of entitlement to sex, which is seen as a basic human right that is unjustly denied to them by women and society.
  • A promotion of violence, especially sexual violence, against women and sexually active people, as a form of revenge or justice.
  • A nihilistic and fatalistic worldview, which sees no hope or possibility of change or improvement in their situation.

There is no definitive answer to why incels believe they are entitled to sex from women, but some possible factors are:
  • A lack of social skills and emotional intelligence, which makes it difficult for them to form healthy and satisfying relationships.
  • A distorted perception of reality, which is influenced by online echo chambers, misinformation, and confirmation bias.
  • A low self-esteem and self-worth, which leads to feelings of inferiority, insecurity, and resentment.
  • A history of trauma, abuse, or rejection, which causes pain, anger, and distrust.
  • A sense of powerlessness and frustration, which fuels a desire for control and dominance.





Nice use of ChatGPT.


Yep. He's pretty much 100% a bot now instead of the 99% we were used to.
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Traditionally, women control the first dates/interactions in relationships (allowing men to take them on a date) and men control the seriousness/duration of the relationship (deciding if they want to marry or stay married).

As a result of the feminist movement and government policy such as child support and no fault divorce, the natural order of relationships has broken.

Women now control the traditional role of a relationship (the beginning ineractions) and a new set of abilities such as filing for a divorce (which may be a financial incentive to them). The result is a slightly more aggressive female personality in relationships, if not flat out hyper aggressive/dominating one.

There are real issues that need to be addressed. If men do not feel that they have a place in the relationship, some type of "say" on it, then it becomes problematic for our society.
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If you haven't tried the Female Delusion Calculator, it's pretty fun.

Basically it shows that women have no real idea how rare the man they say they want (the 4 sixes: 6 feet, 6 figures 6 pack, 6….well you get the idea) actually is and that they're all competing for the roughly 1% or less of single men who fit that

The problem is that internet dating lets them fling themselves exclusively at the 1% and completely ignore all the other very solid, awesome guys out there that don't meet their delusional level demands. (All while claiming there are no good men out there when they either get rejected by the 1% or just used for a brief fling before they move on to the next delusional girl)
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Sure things have changed. But a fish is still a fish...you just need the right bate, the right fishing spot, and time in the water.

1) Bate:
- Shoes. You can't change a whole lot about how you look, but you can change your shoes. Spend money on high quality stylish shoes or boots. Women are nuts about shoes and will judge you by what you are wearing. I'm serous and you can thank me later.

- Humor. Marilyn Monroe said "if you can make a girl laugh, you can make her do anything". If you are with a girl and you can't poke fun and make her laugh... move on.

- Be a man: Stand tall and straight unapologetically. DONT conform to any wokeness PC crap. As far as you are concerned global warming just means your BBQ smokes with less wood. If she wants a weak wristed soy boy, then move on.

- Be gentle: i.e. a gentleman. Open the door for her, be polite. Show her attention and listen to her. Be patent and kind. If she doesn't respond... move on.

- Learn to dance. You're in Texas... you should be a good dancer. Women love to dance.

2) Fishing spot:
Find places where the women are. Think like a woman go where they are. Find a church you like where there are women your age. Volunteer for special Olympics. Volunteer at a hospital. Go to a dance hall - there will always be women sitting around looking for someone to ask them to dance. You're not going to find women sitting in front of your XBOX.

3) Time in the water
- Don't fall in love with the fish while fishing. Every fish in the pond isn't interested in your bate. Don't worry about rejection. I've never met anyone good at fishing who gets discouraged if they have a bad day or the fish are not biting. Most women will probably not be interested in you - and that's normal and ok! Perhaps you can call it confidence, but having an attitude of "ok, thank you, next" is the single most critical attribute you must adopt when dating.

- Keep at it. Not worrying about rejection makes it much easier to meet more women.

- Attraction. You probably know what you think is attractive, but be open to all types of girls. The more girls you hang out with, the more you'll hone in on exactly what you're looking for.

- Pray. If you believe in God, then pray a lot. God says it's "not good for a man to be alone" so hold him to this. He made women for men. He cares about you and most likely has someone in mind for you. Pray to be filled with Christ-like attributes. Christ was God in human form... I can't think of a better role model for personal development.

- Know it will happen, it just takes time. Love comes to everyone eventually.
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Nanomachines son said:

93MarineHorn said:

Nanomachines son said:

93MarineHorn said:

Every time these threads come up I always wonder if the doomsayers ever actually go out to bars and see what's going on. They're packed with men and women of all ranges (1 - 10) mingling and often hooking up. You will see less than desirable people having fun with each other and leaving together. You absolutely do not need to be an alpha male to get women. It's just a lot easier if you are.


Single women vote upwards of 75% left. If you don't think this is a problem then you're delusional.
That's a different subject that will undoubtedly bring silly comments about repealing women's suffrage. We're talking about the incorrect opinion that 80% of men can't get a woman because chicks only want alphas. A visit to any bar on a Friday or Saturday night will put that idea to bed.


They are directly related. Married women vote conservative while single women vote liberal. You fix the dating problem and you fix society.
I'm disputing that there is a dating problem at all. Dating apps favor good looking, photogenic people. But I've known plenty of normal guys that do fine on the apps. I was amazed that a former co-worker who is short, fat and bald was getting plenty of dates with women who were ok looking.
 
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