Israel/Hamas going at it

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I could watch this on a loop all day long

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Speak the Truth moderated by Matt Tardio is up live. He does a fantastic job laying out the situation

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nortex97 said:



This is why there can be no 'two state solution.'




Yep. People get put in "open air" prison for a reason. The reerees *****ing about it are pretty much the same ones crying when some school shooter who's been telling everyone he's intent on killing as many people as possible is a) not arrested, b) allowed to get a gun, and c) actually follows through and kills a bunch of people. Hamas (and most palestinians) openly call for the destruction of Israel and the genocide of the Jews. They get kept in prison because they're violent savages who can't be trusted in a wider society.
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LMCane said:

I could watch this on a loop all day long




Trigger control is firing a belt fed weapon single shot!
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LMCane said:

This is the craziest story I have heard since 0ctober 7. Sad, happy, hopeful. Literally the Israelis care more about animals than Hamas cares about THEIR OWN WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

step back and imagine if the USA would dig tunnels UNDER our women and children and then launch barbaric massacres against Canada- knowing that then Canada would kill thousands of our citizens in a war.


Amazing story
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Frustration;



Jake Sullivan is still/forever a raging moron, at best, fwiw…this traces back to him and our response/coordination vs. the Houthi's and Iran vis a vis Hamas/Gaza/Hezbollah.





This is the international war equivalent of the Ags losing to App State at home in football, for 3 years straight;





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I was enjoying the Israelis flooding the tunnels and drowning the rats, but we have t seen much about that the last few days.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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Their next encirclement will apparently be the finale; the border with Egypt. Note that there is only one existing 'open' (sometimes) crossing; Rafah.

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The IDF has allegedly informed Egypt of its intention to occupy the Rafah border area and asked Egyptian soldiers to evacuate the area, Arab media reported.

The IDF informed Egypt of its intention to occupy the border area on the "Philadelphi" Rafa route and asked the Egyptian soldiers to clear the border, as reported on Saturday in the Arab media.

The report also stated that the IDF emphasized to the Egyptians that from now on the IDF would not be responsible for the security of Egyptian forces in the area, while the IDF is attempting to occupy the border area, and emphasized that the military operation in the area will continue whether Egypt agrees or rejects it.
I don't think the IDF has any interest in the terms the Egyptians have advanced;

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Netanyahu reaffirms: "This will be a long war, we will fight until the end"
04:37 AM
U.S. doesn't dictate Israeli miltary operations, says Netanyahu, slamming 'false' reports
Israel is a sovereign state and makes its own decisions, the prime minister says at the weekly cabinet meeting, slamming the Wall Street Journal report that claimed Biden had to talk him out of a "preemptive" strike on Hezbollah in the aftermath of the October 7 massacre.
03:37 AM
IDF strikes Hezbollah launch posts, other terror infrastructure in Lebanon after rocket fire at Israel
03:12 AM
Rocket sirens sound in Gaza border communities, the first of the day

02:45 AM
Rocket sirens activated in northern Israel

01:28 AM
Egypt puts forth a proposal for 'phased' hostage deal - report
According to a report in the Arabic language Asharq Al-Awsat paper, the outline would see the release of 40 Israeli hostages in exchange for 2-3-week ceasefire, followed by the overhaul of Palestinian leadership, comprehensive prisoner swap and IDF withdrawal from Gaza.
From the guardian 4 hours ago;

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Israeli army indicates its forces are close to having operational control in north Gaza
Jonathan Conricus, an Israeli military spokesperson, has indicated that forces were close to having operational control in north Gaza, AFP reports.

Now, he said, "we focus our efforts against Hamas in southern Gaza".

Signalling a pivot after weeks of intensive fighting around Gaza City, the Israeli army said troops were now looking to Khan Younis and elsewhere in the south.

A socially conservative city, Khan Younis even before the wars that have engulfed Gaza since 2008 was long regarded as a stronghold of political support for Hamas.
I also haven't read much of updates on flooding the tunnels, but with the IDF in essentially 'operational control' of around half of Gaza now (northern part), my guess is they are content to destroy them physically instead there.

In the south (there aren't all that many in the middle), some hysterical concerns that the tunnels are 'part of Gaza's culture' etc. Some funny quotes about the claims as to aid supplies/hazardous materials in them in this post:



Note that the Egyptians flooded a bunch that crossed into Egypt (for obvious reasons) with sea water already a few years ago.

Aside: I haven't seen any reports of rocket strikes from Gaza this am, which is nice, though the IDF lost 15 soldiers yesterday.
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How did they lose 15 in one day
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Very interesting turn of events. This isn't really as simple as depicted by our media. Many of the arab benefactor countries just want the 'Palestinian' issue to simmer down so they can deal with their own issues (including with Iran) and even make peace with Israel a la Abraham accords before team Kerry (who served in Vietnam btw)/Biden/Obama/Nuland got involved again…
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In urban combat against an irregular force, when you're trying to minimize civilian deaths, 15 in a day isn't actually that bad. If Hamas weren't a bunch of brainless, inbred ****ups it could be worse. Each IDF loss is a bitter one, but they're absolutely doing Hamas in.
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maddiedou said:

How did they lose 15 in one day
I think this was actually 14 KIA reported over 40 hours of combat because of the Shabbat. so it included more than just one day due to sabbath.

the men were from all different units which is good- that means it was not one major catastrophic attack but that multiple Israeli Brigades are advancing in different places and taking losses.

I did see reports that 5 were killed after Palestinian women were waving white flags, but that may be just rumors and propaganda.
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It could be that Hamas is losing control over southern Gaza

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you can hear the squad leader say "kadima (begin/let's go)" and "maher (faster)"

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230 million a month

No wonder the hamas in Quatar are billionares
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Just in case you did not open the above
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Ridiculous. So many actual needy and deserving people around the world and we pay a regime to purchase weapons and infrastructure to indoctrinate their children and murder the children of Israel. Blood on the hands of pro-palestinians.
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I take glee in knowing that these ****s really thought that the international community would stop Israel well short of this and now they're watching Hamas get hammered day after day. The satisfaction of the nerd in the cafeteria who is also a black belt finally getting enough of the degenerate bully and ****ing him up while the whole school watches and admin yell "stop!" from a distance is fulfilling. Hamas and their supporters deserve zero sympathy.
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Cliff.Booth said:

I take glee in knowing that these ****s really thought that the international community would stop Israel well short of this and now they're watching Hamas get hammered day after day. The satisfaction of the nerd in the cafeteria who is also a black belt finally getting enough of the degenerate bully and ****ing him up while the whole school watches and admin yell "stop!" from a distance is fulfilling. Hamas and their supporters deserve zero sympathy.
I really do hope that there are people in Gaza with enough conscience to look back at their own actions and think "Maybe it was a bad idea to cheer on the rape of women and the torture of children if this lack of sympathy for us is the result of that." But realistically, I know better. They are incapable of understanding their own role in bringing this down upon themselves. Which means they won't learn any useful lesson from it.
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I know some of the American woke neo-leftist types. Social media used to covered with Ukraine stuff and now has demands for a ceasefire (which they had and broke). I think they're even starting to come to grips with the reality that Hamas went way too far and the IDF is not going to stop until they're completely dismantled, scattered to the wind, and the earth where they stood is salted.
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This could be a big deal.



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Israel's Minister of Foreign Affairs:


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nortex97 said:

Frustration;
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Jake Sullivan is still/forever a raging moron, at best, fwiw…this traces back to him and our response/coordination vs. the Houthi's and Iran vis a vis Hamas/Gaza/Hezbollah.
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This is the international war equivalent of the Ags losing to App State at home in football, for 3 years straight;
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If a commercial vessel is sunk the war will widen considerably. President Biden and his administration is a complete failure.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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Interesting statements/ommissions.
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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

Hamas went way too far and the IDF is not going to stop until they're completely dismantled, scattered to the wind, and the earth where they stood is salted.
I am totally cool with that.
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2000AgPhD said:

ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

Hamas went way too far and the IDF is not going to stop until they're completely dismantled, scattered to the wind, and the earth where they stood is salted.
I am totally cool with that.
agreed. as time goes on and I see how the world is reacting to all of this, with almost 100% support for Hamas, I am more agreeable to them utterly razing the entirety of what is Gaza and reclaiming it entirely for Israel.

I am no friend to Israel as far as us providing them money or military support, but I utterly support them doing what they have to do for themselves. If that means crushing and removing all Palestinians from Israeli soil... they can go for it as far as I am concerned.
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C@LAg said:

2000AgPhD said:

ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

Hamas went way too far and the IDF is not going to stop until they're completely dismantled, scattered to the wind, and the earth where they stood is salted.
I am totally cool with that.
agreed. as time goes on and I see how the world is reacting to all of this, with almost 100% support for Hamas, I am more agreeable to them utterly razing the entirety of what is Gaza and reclaiming it entirely for Israel.

I am no friend to Israel as far as us providing them money or military support, but I utterly support them doing what they have to do for themselves. If that means crushing and removing all Palestinians from Israeli soil... they can go for it as far as I am concerned.


As more and more support for Hamas grows throughout the world the only way for Israel to keep itself safe is to take over the entirety of the Gaza Strip. Deport all the "Palestinians living there and send them over to the west bank."

Let the Palestinian Authority deal with them and try to reign them in. At least then Israel isn't sandwiched between the PA and Hamas.

Gazans had their chance. They refused to try to find a peaceful solution
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Blows my mind that the world supports terrorism and the murder of children, but then again it's against the Jews. Absolutely nothing wrong with wiping out hamas, and even better if they wipe out their supporters, their progenitors, and their progeny. They SHOULD kill every last one of them and leave nothing left to take root. If but just Israel, but Jews in general, want to survive, they have to start wiping out those who would do the same without mercy. It means probably doing horrible things, but we've already seen that given the opportunity, those they're killing would do far worse. If it comes down to dread Israelis versus dead arabs or Muslims, that's an easy choice.
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Gazans had their chance. They refused to try to find a peaceful solution
I would argue that they had a peaceful solution. Everything subsidized by Israel, city on the beach, no neighbors randomly lobbing rockets into their neighborhoods. But they let their hatred rule their actions and they threw away a peaceful existence by raping & murdering innocents.

They screwed up and should pay for it with their lives.

Kill. Them. All.
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The key thing to keep in mind is that their top 3 folks are worth $11 billion. The hate machine they run is just a secondary component or tool in their grift. (Which is not too dissimilar to certain American politicians, fwiw).

(Edit: 11 billion).
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