Israel/Hamas going at it

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In reply to nortex97 • 9:08p, 12/25/23
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I would take OSINTdefender with a very heavy grain of salt. He is not a reliable source and often throws things at the wall to see what sticks.
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 9:09p, 12/25/23
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Agthatbuilds said:
Sounds like it is time for Blinken to make another push for a cease fire on behalf of Hamas. God forbid we actually respond to these direct attacks on Americans with an overwhelming response to deter them from doing it in the future.
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In reply to Waffledynamics • 9:15p, 12/25/23
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I would take OSINTdefender with a very heavy grain of salt. He is not a reliable source and often throws things at the wall to see what sticks.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/three-us-troops-wounded-in-attack-in-iraq-us-retaliates/ar-AA1m1VpU

Here it is from Reuters
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 9:23p, 12/25/23
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Read that we retaliated with no description of what that retaliation would be. Any word on that?
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In reply to agent-maroon • 9:27p, 12/25/23
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Three facilities used by hezbollah brigades in Babylon Iraq.
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[We've been very clear thru numerous staff notes in this thread that we will keep it to the ongoing Israel/Hamas conflict. Derails are inconsiderate to other posters who follow the update nature of this thread, and they will be removed. Calling out moderation isn't the way to go and will result in timeouts -- Staff]
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Thanks!
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In reply to agent-maroon • 9:34p, 12/25/23
I think this it?

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6:00a, 12/26/23
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This is an obviously biased/anti-IDF narrative (CGI voice) but probably accurate as far as where the Israeli's are pushing next;



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In the central part of the enclave, the number of IAF strikes on settlements and their surroundings has sharply increased. Over the past two days, many Palestinians have become victims of attacks: in Al-Maghazi alone, more than 70 people died after the airstrike at a gathering of refugees.

Severe fighting continues in the south of the enclave. The eastern part of Khan Yunis, which lies in ruins, actually came under the control of the Israelis. Judging by the powerful artillery strike on Al-Maan area, it is in this direction that the IDF plans to develop an offensive in coming days.

In Western Bank, Israeli security forces continue to raid and arrest Palestinians on suspicion of links to Hamas. In large cities, such events often end in clashes with the local people, which sometimes turn into shootouts.

On the northern borders from the coast to the Golan Heights, there is an exchange of strikes between Hezbollah and IDF. Both Lebanese and Israeli border settlements are gradually turning into ruins, but neither side is yet seeking to take more decisive action.

IAF has launched another strike on Syria: the target was an object in Sayyida Zaynab area in Damascus, where three missiles hit. During the raid, Reza Mousavi.

Pro-Iranian units have again attacked US bases in Syria and Iraq with kamikaze drones. Against the background of the news about the death of a high-ranking IRGC officer in Damascus, the number of attacks may increase many times in the near future.
Gazans FAFO:

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As Haaretz reports today, though, it has begun to dawn on Gazans that they seriously miscalculated how Israel and its allies would respond to this war. "At first we were ecstatic," one Gazan tells their reporter, celebrating it as a "historic day." Now they are finding out just how historic it might be, as it might send Palestinian Gaza into the history books:
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"None of us believed the videos we saw on Saturday morning. Hamas fighters inside Israeli territory and fighting with all their might," Maha, a 34-year-old woman from Gaza City said in a call with Haaretz. "Who would have thought this would happen?" She called October 7 "a historic day for the Palestinian people."

Maha is not alone in defining the Hamas invasion of Israeli territory as a historic day. Most Palestinians from Gaza who spoke to Haaretz described the first hours as the beginning of the "liberation of Palestine."

"We were ecstatic. It's like a dream that is hard to wake up from," Maha adds. "But as the picture became clearer, and I saw that there were Israeli prisoners, I realized that we were in a nightmare, in hell."
First off, let's parse out "fighting with all their might." Hamas terrorists paraglided into a concert to slaughter at least 260 unarmed civilians, a number of them foreigners. That's not "might" that's gutless terrorism against defenseless people, the most cowardly attack of all. The fact that this made Gazans "ecstatic" tells us plenty about not just their culture but also their complete embrace of Hamas as their leadership.

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Israel didn't declare war as a rhetorical device, but as a legal step toward total victory over its enemy. The only way to rescue the situation now would be for Gazans to immediately capitulate the territory to Israel and surrender all Hamas terrorists and hostages. That is the only outcome in the war they launched that might keep them in Gaza and under some form of autonomous government. If not, the Gazans had better study the end of World War II and prepare on the basis of what happened to the Germans after the Allies crushed the Nazis.

This is what happens when you launch wars of annihilation and conquest, especially with this level of barbarity to inspire your enemies and force your allies to back away. You either win it or get crushed. FAFO, indeed.


Another map overview/update, not sure how 'good' this guy is at this:

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7:13a, 12/26/23
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On the Hamas-appointed mayor of Gaza City's propaganda piece the communist swine at the NYT saw fit to publish this weekend;

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As the Hamas-appointed mayor of Gaza City, Sarraj must be a senior official of a foreign terrorist organization designated as such since 1997 pursuant to United States law. Accordingly, it's illegal for Americans to render assistance to it, but the Time is of course a law unto itself as I have had the occasion to point out in years past.

Everyone knows that Hamas is dedicated to the mass murder of the Jewish people and the destruction of Israel. Indeed, it is still showing its stuff for anyone with eyes to see. The Times nevertheless thinks Sarraj has something valuable to contribute.

Sarraj's column tends to belie the proposition that Gaza was an open-air prison before the current war. He decries the destruction that Gaza City has suffered as a result of the war. He seeks a return to the status quo ante, when everything was beautiful in its own way.

Reading the opening of Sarraj's column, one can't help but think of the tunnels Hamas built under Gaza City (and elsewhere) in Gaza with a single purpose in mind. See, for example, the December 21 Times of Israel story by Emanuel Fabian "IDF demolishes major Gaza City tunnel network hidden underneath 'Palestine Square.'" Subhead: "Military asserts that senior Hamas officials Yahya Sinwar and Muhammad Deif hid in underground passages just below bustling commercial square during October 7 assault on Israel."

However, Sarraj appears to have missed that. He walks down memory lane to revisit his teenage years:
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As a teenager in the 1980s, I watched the construction of the intricately designed Rashad al-Shawa Cultural Center in Gaza City, named after one of Gaza's greatest public figures, and its theater, grand hall, public library, printing press and cultural salon.

Students and researchers, scholars and artists from across the Gaza Strip came to visit it, and so did President Bill Clinton in 1998. The center was the gem of Gaza City. Watching it being built inspired me to become an engineer, which led to a career as a professor and, in the footsteps of al-Shawa, as mayor of Gaza City.

Now that gem is rubble. It was destroyed by Israeli bombardment.
As I say, one can't help but wonder if he caught the tunnel construction taking place under his nose as the Hamas-appointed mayor of Gaza City. It undercuts his idyll and had more than a little to do with the rubble. Missing along with the tunnels are the hostages that Hamas is holding in them.

Sarraj addresses a few questions to Times readers, For example: "Why would Israel hit a U.N. school?" Anyone? Anyone?

Anyone should in fact be able to answer the question, but it may remain a mystery to those who get their news from the New York Times.

The mysteries continue in Sarraj's concluding paragraph: "Why can't Palestinians be treated equally, like Israelis and all other peoples in the world? Why can't we live in peace and have open borders and free trade?" As one respondent quoted by the Daily Mail put it: "It's because your people raped, tortured and massacred your way across defenseless Israeli communities on 7 October, in barbaric scenes from hell."

Well, yeah. Those are all good questions. However, Sarraj ought to look in the mirror as should the editors of the New York Times. As Marc Thiessen put it on X: "But publishing Tom Cotton is a firing offense."
Much like CNN, the NYT is an enemy of the republic and American people and should be treated as such.



But of course, inconvenient facts are omitted from coverage by propagandist outfits which only want to portray Gazans/moslems as victims.
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12:12p, 12/26/23
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Only thing worse than war is not letting them finish once they start.
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Wow.

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In recordings of the phone call, obtained by The Post, the man accused the troubled Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian refugees in the Near East, known as UNRWA, of being under Hamas' power, telling an IDF officer that the terrorist group has been hogging all the supplies.

"The situation is terrible because the humanitarian people, those responsible for the humanitarian aid, are thieves," the frustrated Gaza resident said in the recording.

"Hamas has their hands on UNRWA administration workers, and it manages UNRWA," he alleges. "From the day they [Hamas] rose to power they took control of everything."

[The United Nations denies this, but the IDF keeps finding Hamas weapons in and around UNRWA assets. It would almost be surprising if this *wasn't* the case. At any rate, it's been clear for years that the UNRWA's aid and education programs have adopted Hamas' priorities and propaganda, especially in indoctrination to Jew-hatred among Gazan children. The US should push for an end to UNRWA now. Ed]
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In reply to nortex97 • 1:13p, 12/26/23
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Worst part is that the US intelligence community has likely known this for a very long time. The world didn't just find out because the Post published this story.
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In reply to nortex97 • 1:16p, 12/26/23
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I just read this piece of drivel:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/24/opinion/gaza-city-palestine-war.html

Wow! Did the NYT allow the mayor of an Israeli city that was raided by Hamas to retort? I suspect not.

It is interesting to read as it allows you to see into the mind of those idiots. Sarraj does his best to separate the Palestinians in Gaza from Hamas. But fails.

I particularly like this little gem:
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Why can't Palestinians be treated equally, like Israelis and all other peoples in the world? Why can't we live in peace and have open borders and free trade? Palestinians deserve to be free and have self-determination.
You can't live in peace because you DON"T WANT TO LIVE IN PEACE! Your stated objective is to KILL ALL JEWS! If you want to live in peace, why do you allow Hamas to rule Gaza? Why didn't that idiot state that Hamas needs to surrender and free the hostages in order to save Gaza?

F that dude.
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In reply to dmart90 • 1:34p, 12/26/23
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Yes, and while we are reminded occasionally/infrequently nowadays that 'no one is supporting Hamas' it is one of those moments when that is…just proven untrue.

Meanwhile;





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Israel has seized 30,000 explosives in the Gaza Strip since Hamas launched a war on October 7, a spokesman for the Israeli government confirmed on Tuesday.

Eylon Levy told reporters during a briefing that while there was no deadline for eliminating Hamas's rocket-launching capacity, Israel sought to achieve that goal.

Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari had mentioned the figure of 30,000 on Saturday, and Levy confirmed that the figure included rockets found ready for firing at Israeli cities.
Separately, the IDF reported Tuesday that it had found a cache of weapons in a children's bedroom in a civilian home in Gaza:
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In recent days, the 931st Battalion and the Nahal Brigade forces killed many terrorists in close-quarters combat in the Tuffah area in the northern Gaza Strip. Due to the high number of close-quarters combats and the presence of many terrorists and weapons, the forces carried out an operation in the area.

Inside a children's bedroom in a civilian house, the forces discovered dozens of Kalachnikovs, grenades, Bazukas, RPG rocket heads, and Israeli license plates.

The weapons found are further proof of Hamas' attempt at hiding weapons and terror activity behind civilian population and infrastructure.
Amazingly they are still able to pop some off.



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Sorry gents for being AWOL I am on vacation at Hilton Head Island this week.

Palestinians who were allowed to work in Israel show their appreciation for salaries and employment by destroying property.

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11:40a, 12/27/23
Northern border with Lebanon- Hizbullah every day launches attacks against Northern Israeli cities.

Interesting coincidence that none of the "humanitarian leftists" in the West march to call for a ceasefire from Hizbullah...


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11:45a, 12/27/23
IDF spokesman discusses elimination of terrorists from the air force in the Gaza Strip

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In reply to LMCane • 11:49a, 12/27/23
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This is not good news for the Lebanese people.
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In reply to LMCane • 1:49p, 12/27/23
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Northern border with Lebanon- Hizbullah every day launches attacks against Northern Israeli cities.

Interesting coincidence that none of the "humanitarian leftists" in the West march to call for a ceasefire from Hizbullah...




Very sad. I was in Kiryat Shimona, the Tel Dan Nature Reserve, Druze areas and Valley of Tears monument last year about this time. My profile picture is from that area.
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In reply to LMCane • 2:41p, 12/27/23
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That's amazing.

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Pirates Cove, a blog you should read daily, noted what Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu has laid down
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It's been very easy since the beginning: return the hostages, Hamas dismantles. Too bad he can't add "replace the Iranian government with a non-terrorist government"
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Netanyahu Offers 3 Prerequisites for Peace
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu this week outlined three prerequisites for peace in the region following months of war with Hamas.
Netanyahu, in an opinion piece published by The Wall Street Journal on Monday, outlined the three: the destruction of Hamas, the demilitarization of Gaza, and the deradicalization of Palestinian society.
"First, Hamas, a key Iranian proxy, must be destroyed. The U.S., U.K., France, Germany, and many other countries support Israel's intention to demolish the terror group," Netanyahu wrote.
Go read the conditions. Perfectly reasonable conditions, which means they will likely be rejected
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"Third, Gaza will have to be deradicalized," the prime minster continued. "Schools must teach children to cherish life rather than death, and imams must cease to preach for the murder of Jews. Palestinian civil society needs to be transformed so that its people support fighting terrorism rather than funding it."
That is the toughest one: how do you turn a people around, a people who are so radicalized that no other Middle East nation wants them? So problematic that none want them? Egypt doesn't. Nor Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, or others. You don't see Iran taking them in, do you? Even if you end the UN run schools which radicalize children, how do you keep the adults from radicalizing the kids? How do you stop it in mosques? Where do you even start? I can think of a few ideas, but, then I go, "what about doing X?" and then "well, yes, but, you also need Y and Z."
It's a big challenge, both tactically and strategically.
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9:21p, 12/27/23
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An operation that size isn't just going after a couple folks/rocket launchers.
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In reply to LMCane • 9:42a, 12/28/23
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LMCane said:
GiggityAg01 said:
PA24 said:
LMCane said:


IDF needs to clean them out of Gaza. Drive those cowardly *******s off the face of the earth.


Right now it isn't just in Gaza. If the IDF is being properly supported by her Allie's there's no reason not to launch a surprise bombing attack on the West Bank prior to the roaches starting to flee. If they don't there's bound to be anti Israeli voices remaining there for this to all happen again. It's time to rip off the bandaid.
You don't need to bomb the West Bank, it is a very different place than the Gaza Strip.

While Gaza is like a Manhattan Island, Judea and Samaria are more like parts of Arizona and New Mexico. It is not nearly as dense or built up, much of it is still desert and uninhabited mountain tops.

Every day the IDF is working in Jenin, Tulkarem, Nablus tracking down and arresting Hamas terrorists in these towns. It is easier to destroy Hamas in the Judea/Samaria region even though the Palestinians have greater access to Jordan with a long porous border.

This is Judea


This was Gaza City

Just because it is more spread out doesn't make its residents any less evil. Every building needs to be leveled, ideally while occupied. They have plenty of targeted munitions.
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11:07p, 12/28/23
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It occurs to me that there's undoubtedly very strong overlap between the "rape culture" crowd that still believes deranged, baseless, debunked gang rape lies about a SCOTUS justice they hate … and those who deny Hamas' meticulously-documented *actual* rape culture. Very duly noted.

Hamas uses rape as a weapon of terror.

Hamas' western, leftist cheerleaders use 'rape culture' as a weapon of politics.

Utterly contemptible people.
Currently a happy listless vessel and deplorable. #FDEMS TRUMP 2024.
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A culture of hate:

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"I understand that he raped her, then they gave her to someone else. She was alive and finally he shot her," said the survivor. Some of the terrorists said in their investigation that they received permission to abuse corpses, in order to create fear in Israeli society.

On Channel 11, testimonies were revealed that were provided to the Zman Emet (Real Time) show - two witnesses who saw and heard the atrocities and decided to speak about it now for the first time and openly. One of them, Raz, a discharged officer who participated in the Nova festival in Re'im, said: "A white car arrived and five terrorists exited out of it. They stood in a semi-circle around her, grabbing her by force so she wouldn't move. It happened 30 or 40 meters from us. There was a lot of movement...he raped her. I look and see that the girl is no longer moving, but the terrorist still continues to rape her. It was impossible to help her. I couldn't do anything. I wish I had a weapon and I could help," he said.
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New details by the Times showed that the attacks on women were part of a broader pattern of gender-based violence on October 7, and were not "isolated events." The investigation utilized photographs, GPS data, video footage from interviews and mobile phones, and interviews with more than 150 people. Interviews were conducted with witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors.

The investigation showed seven locations where Israeli women were raped or mutilated. The Times received testimony from four witnesses describing in graphic detail seeing the rape and murder of women along Highway 232 near Gaza, which is the same highway where Abdush's half-naked body was found.
Interviews with soldiers and medics revealed the discovery of more than 30 bodies of women near the Nova music festival and in two kibbutzim, where, like in the case of Abdush, their clothes were off, their legs were spread and they had signs of abuse in their genital areas. Israeli military told the Times about two Israeli soldiers at a base near Gaza who were reportedly shot directly in their vaginas.

Lahav 433 have not yet put together a number on how many women were raped on October 7, stating that most are dead and therefore they will never know.

The report noted that many dead bodies from October 7 were buried as quickly as possible, and so many weren't examined.

Another witness of the Hamas's sexual violence is Sapir, 24, who attended the Nova festival and was shot in the back during the Hamas attacks. She recounted seeing groups of armed gunmen rape and kill at least five women. Sapir told the Times that "she was hiding under the low branches of a bushy tamarisk tree, just off Route 232."




Not sure if this is accurate or not yet this am, though it's sadly believable about Biden:



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9:41a, 12/29/23
Relative/tangent update.

Happy new years IRGC! Allah-who? Snackbar!

Nearly a dozen leaders of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) have died in an airstrike conducted by the Israeli military.

Israel bombed the Damascus International Airport on Thursday night, killing 11 high-ranking members of the IRGC, according to Saudi Arabian media outlets.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/israel-hamas-war-december-29
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