I get where you're coming from, but I suspect it's going to be life changing to watch this stuff. Surely one won't just spin it to the Hamas side.

Also, if it is overwhelmingly grotesque and incriminating for Hamas, will parts of it be release in the event that this doesn't track like Israel wants it to?

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I get where you're coming from, but I suspect it's going to be life changing to watch this stuff. Surely one won't just spin it to the Hamas side.

Also, if it is overwhelmingly grotesque and incriminating for Hamas, will parts of it be release in the event that this doesn't track like Israel wants it to?

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I would go ahead and do it if simply to get ahead of AI and deep fake tech that will render reality a non-stop questionable affair here in about 2 years.

⚠️BIDEN FEARS WIDER WAR IN MIDDLE EAST: AXIOS

Top U.S. officials tell us the threats of a war widening from the Gaza Strip are real and rising, forcing the Pentagon to put more U.S. forces on higher alert for quick deployment and rush additional weapons systems to the region.

— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) October 23, 2023

[Interesting topic and worthy of discussion, but it's a derail to the update nature of this thread. Feel free to start a different thread and run with it -- Staff]

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Fighting hamas and maybe hesbollah is a fools errand. Declare war on Iran and destroy them.

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No, it is not. Israel declares war on Iran and they are fighting on at least fronts. That seems like a bad idea. Take them apart one by one.

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If we're (U.S.) not putting boots/weapons on the ground or air to help Israel, then, yes, it's a very bad idea.

I mean, if Israel can take on every Muslim country that hates them, good for them, but if they can't do it by themselves, they shouldn't.

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Everybody seems super-antsy to kick off the ground offensive today. I think the IDF could easily wait another week until they are certain they have done as much as they can to degrade Hamas via air/artillery/special operators before sending in the boots and tracks. Don't forget they need to make sure a potential northern front is secured as well.

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It seems part of this is also to degrade the Hamas tunnel defenses

starve them of food and most importantly the electricity and fuel to run the generators which provide oxygen in the tunnel networks..

I wonder what methods are the best to demolish those tunnels? what about putting a Merkava tank above the entrance and having it run it's exhaust at full blast for a few hours with the exhaust pipes extended into the entrances?

Houston Lee said:

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Drones, robots and dog robot technology might make urban warfare a bit less deadly for the invading force.

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THIS

there should only be robots and drones entering those Hamas tunnels.

and Israeli special forces dressed up as Hamas terrorists to kill them from up close.

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I read this as Shin Bet created a troop of assassins.

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-769555

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It's almost passe to think of Israel being horrified by the Munich Olympics massacre and creating hit teams to take out the PLO murderers in 1973.

that was for ELEVEN citizens.

october 7 was what? 110 times as many dead?

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I think Hamas may be legitimately depleted in terms of their rocket ability right now. Hezbollah is a completely different story. Hezbollah has far more advanced weapons and would likely cause a lot of Israeli casualties if that front got hot.

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Correct analysis

which is why the Israeli government has been evacuating the border communities on the northern front away from the "Blue Line"

because they are getting ready if Hizbullah tries to invade into israel and do the same thing Hamas just did

Is this guy tweeting from the gopro footage Israeli government said they were going to screen for journalists?

Yes, it's a summary of the press briefing releasing that. I do try not to just post 'war porn' combat footage of people dying, as I find this generally disgusting/gross.

to believe that Israel will be supported by "the christian nations of Europe" -

who exactly are they?

No Spin Ag said:

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I haven't followed this thread in a while, but does anyone know if the women in the IDF will be on the front lines when Israel goes into Gaza?

I ask because I know they're required to serve like the men, and they can always be seen in social media clips wearing their uniforms, without or without a weapon.

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Good question

there are IDF female fighters in actual combat units in the "Caracal" and the "Lions of Judah" brigades but those are stationed near the Jordan border to combat cross-border smuggling.

they won't be deployed to Gaza.

on the other hand, Hamas terrorists really don't like fighting and dying at the hands of women.

This is a non-bloody video of an Israeli describing Hamas' attack;

Just hearing the descriptions is impossible.#Hamas #HamasISIS #HamasisISIS #HamasTerrorists #Israel #Gaza#isis#standwithisrael#standwithus#israelunderattack pic.twitter.com/dKWAMjYgZm

— Im Tirtzu (@IMTIzionism) October 23, 2023

Caution, emotional content.

Regarding cellphone collection you basically become the tower when you are collecting so it doesn't matter if the actual towers are working or not.

And, yet, the USA (and most of the rest of the world plus the media) continue to push for a delay / pause in full-scale ground invasion...

Israel waited too long. After the narrative started to change and the initial atrocities committed by Hamas began to fade into the 'last week' and 'two weeks ago' categories it became predictable that no full-scale ground invasion would take place.

I've predicted for over a week now that only minor ground incursions might take place, but nothing close to the 'full-scale invasion' that's been plastered all over the news. I guess we'll just continue to wait and see...

Unfortunately, if no full-scale ground invasion takes place, we'll be right back here in 5 years (or less) with another senseless terrorist tragedy inflicted upon the Israeli people.

LMCane said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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I haven't followed this thread in a while, but does anyone know if the women in the IDF will be on the front lines when Israel goes into Gaza?

I ask because I know they're required to serve like the men, and they can always be seen in social media clips wearing their uniforms, without or without a weapon.

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Good question

there are IDF female fighters in actual combat units in the "Caracal" and the "Lions of Judah" brigades but those are stationed near the Jordan border to combat cross-border smuggling.

they won't be deployed to Gaza.

on the other hand, Hamas terrorists really don't like fighting and dying at the hands of women.

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That's cool that they're in combat units. I'd like to think that if they want to be on the front lines when the invasion happen they should be allowed to. I'm sure they're more than capable to killing terrorists.

No Spin Ag said:

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LMCane said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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I haven't followed this thread in a while, but does anyone know if the women in the IDF will be on the front lines when Israel goes into Gaza?

I ask because I know they're required to serve like the men, and they can always be seen in social media clips wearing their uniforms, without or without a weapon.

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Good question

there are IDF female fighters in actual combat units in the "Caracal" and the "Lions of Judah" brigades but those are stationed near the Jordan border to combat cross-border smuggling.

they won't be deployed to Gaza.

on the other hand, Hamas terrorists really don't like fighting and dying at the hands of women.

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That's cool that they're in combat units. I'd like to think that if they want to be on the front lines when the invasion happen they should be allowed to. I'm sure they're more than capable to killing terrorists.

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I only disagree that it makes it very easy for female IDF soldiers to be kidnapped by Hamas in a dense urban war- and that fate is worse than death.

It may even make Hamas fight harder if they know they are fighting women rather than men.

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And, yet, the USA (and most of the rest of the world plus the media) continue to push for a delay / pause in full-scale ground invasion...

Israel waited too long. After the narrative started to change and the initial atrocities committed by Hamas began to fade into the 'last week' and 'two weeks ago' categories it became predictable that no full-scale ground invasion would take place.

I've predicted for over a week now that only minor ground incursions might take place, but nothing close to the 'full-scale invasion' that's been plastered all over the news. I guess we'll just continue to wait and see...

Unfortunately, if no full-scale ground invasion takes place, we'll be right back here in 5 years (or less) with another senseless terrorist tragedy inflicted upon the Israeli people.

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I disagree.

there is no way that Israel can let Hamas maintain military capabilities at this point.

ISIS and Hamas are terrorist orgs which brutally murdered civilians.

One salient difference is that Israel never facilitated the transfer of 100’s of millions of dollars to ISIS.

This was a price Israel was willing to pay to expand settlements and prevent a Palestinian state. https://t.co/bpcMeF2vPE

— Benzi Sanders (@BenzionSanders) October 20, 2023

LMCane said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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LMCane said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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I haven't followed this thread in a while, but does anyone know if the women in the IDF will be on the front lines when Israel goes into Gaza?

I ask because I know they're required to serve like the men, and they can always be seen in social media clips wearing their uniforms, without or without a weapon.

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Good question

there are IDF female fighters in actual combat units in the "Caracal" and the "Lions of Judah" brigades but those are stationed near the Jordan border to combat cross-border smuggling.

they won't be deployed to Gaza.

on the other hand, Hamas terrorists really don't like fighting and dying at the hands of women.

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That's cool that they're in combat units. I'd like to think that if they want to be on the front lines when the invasion happen they should be allowed to. I'm sure they're more than capable to killing terrorists.

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I only disagree that it makes it very easy for female IDF soldiers to be kidnapped by Hamas in a dense urban war- and that fate is worse than death.

It may even make Hamas fight harder if they know they are fighting women rather than men.

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I get where you're coming from, and that is something worse than death, but if being harmed in a way that makes people uncomfortable is a concern then they (only those concerned about that) shouldn't be in the military.

Iranian account discussing Israeli drone capabilities. No support for the account itself, but an interesting read.

The Hermes-450 is by far the backbone of the Israeli UAV fleet. It can carry a 180kg payload, has a 17hr endurance, a very poor 5.5km service ceiling, & a 200km mission radius due to its lack of SATCOM

It's on the less capable end of MALE UAVs, behind likes of Mohajer-6 & TB2 pic.twitter.com/wZk4hf7yeu

— Iran Defense|نیروهای مسلح جمهوری اسلامی ایران (@IranDefense) October 23, 2023

BTHOB said:

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And, yet, the USA (and most of the rest of the world plus the media) continue to push for a delay / pause in full-scale ground invasion...

Israel waited too long. After the narrative started to change and the initial atrocities committed by Hamas began to fade into the 'last week' and 'two weeks ago' categories it became predictable that no full-scale ground invasion would take place.

I've predicted for over a week now that only minor ground incursions might take place, but nothing close to the 'full-scale invasion' that's been plastered all over the news. I guess we'll just continue to wait and see...

Unfortunately, if no full-scale ground invasion takes place, we'll be right back here in 5 years (or less) with another senseless terrorist tragedy inflicted upon the Israeli people.

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Hope you are wrong but I'm starting to agree with this. This is moving away from a kinetic engagement to a PR War fought in the media. Israel has little chance of winning the latter.

If the strategy of sharing the Hamas raw footage with the media today (or already happened) doesn't work then nothing will work. At that point, you cut your losses and destroy Gaza and let the chips fall where they may. Just not sure if they are going to do it at this point outside of these periodic air sorties.

Continued Israeli efforts to put Syrian airports out of action, among other strikes.

"Syrian state media meanwhile reported that Israeli airstrikes have targeted the international airports in the capital, Damascus, and the northern city of Aleppo. It said the strikes killed…

— Patrick Fox (@RealCynicalFox) October 22, 2023

LMCane said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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I haven't followed this thread in a while, but does anyone know if the women in the IDF will be on the front lines when Israel goes into Gaza?

I ask because I know they're required to serve like the men, and they can always be seen in social media clips wearing their uniforms, without or without a weapon.

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Good question

there are IDF female fighters in actual combat units in the "Caracal" and the "Lions of Judah" brigades but those are stationed near the Jordan border to combat cross-border smuggling.

they won't be deployed to Gaza.

on the other hand, Hamas terrorists really don't like fighting and dying at the hands of women.

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The female IDF combat soldiers of the Caracal Battalion took out nearly 100 Hamas terrorists during their battle on October 7.

Their commander says this erases all doubts about the effectiveness of women in combat.#HamasMassacre | #Israel https://t.co/o6qUegytz4

— The Jerusalem Post (@Jerusalem_Post) October 23, 2023

Don't know how much this is being embellished, but, here you go.

Agthatbuilds said:

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LMCane said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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I haven't followed this thread in a while, but does anyone know if the women in the IDF will be on the front lines when Israel goes into Gaza?

I ask because I know they're required to serve like the men, and they can always be seen in social media clips wearing their uniforms, without or without a weapon.

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Good question

there are IDF female fighters in actual combat units in the "Caracal" and the "Lions of Judah" brigades but those are stationed near the Jordan border to combat cross-border smuggling.

they won't be deployed to Gaza.

on the other hand, Hamas terrorists really don't like fighting and dying at the hands of women.

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The female IDF combat soldiers of the Caracal Battalion took out nearly 100 Hamas terrorists during their battle on October 7.

Their commander says this erases all doubts about the effectiveness of women in combat.#HamasMassacre | #Israel https://t.co/o6qUegytz4

— The Jerusalem Post (@Jerusalem_Post) October 23, 2023

Don't know how much this is being embellished, but, here you go.

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LOL, woman in combat in Israel in actual war has been tried and it does not work.

SCOOP: The Biden administration sent a Marine three-star general to Israel to advise the Israeli military leadership ahead of the ground operation in Gaza. My story on @axios https://t.co/xUwn9HXHX0

— Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) October 23, 2023