I think he's saying it looks like it was a false flag operation.

Thanks for the reply. Can see that now when I click the X/twitter link.

Wouldn't "false flag" imply that Hamas hit the hospital (well, the parking lot next to it) on purpose to create an incident to blame on Israel? In this case, it was more a matter of a weapons malfunction that accidentally caused the rocket to veer off course.

That's what I take from it too.

Has anyone ever validated the number of casualties from this incident? I find it hard to believe 50 were killed from the morning video that was posted, let alone 500 plus or minus.

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I haven't followed this thread in a while, but does anyone know if the women in the IDF will be on the front lines when Israel goes into Gaza?

I ask because I know they're required to serve like the men, and they can always be seen in social media clips wearing their uniforms, without or without a weapon.

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Wiki had cites on point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Israel_Defense_Forces

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Clause 16A of the Israeli Defense Service Law requires that all conscripted female combat soldiers serve active-duty for 2 years and 4 months, and in reserve until the age of 38. Each year, 1,500 female soldiers are drafted into the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). Women were employed in full combat roles during the 19471949 Palestine War; incidents involving the abuse of female soldiers' corpses by Arab troops led to the Israeli cabinet's decision to withdraw women from frontline combat until 2000, when the Caracal Battalion was raised.

In 2014, the IDF appointed Oshrat Bacher as the first female commander of a combat battalion.

The most notable combat option for women is the light-infantry Caracal Battalion, in which women comprise 70 percent of the troop strength. There are two other mixed-sex infantry battalions: the Lions of Jordan Battalion and the Bardelas Battalion.[citation needed] The Oketz, an IDF canine unit, also drafts women as combat soldiers. Women are also allowed to join the Combat Intelligence Collection Corps, and to serve as search-and-rescue personnel in the IDF's Home Front Command. Women are allowed to serve as tank crews in the Border Defense Array, composed of units that guard the borders of Israel with Egypt and Jordan.

Despite being officially classified as combat soldiers, women in combat roles are not explicitly deployed into combat situations. They are expected to respond in the event a combat situation does erupt, but are not deployed to areas where there is a high risk of combat. The three mixed-sex infantry battalions and female-crewed tanks are deployed to border patrol duties and security duties in the Jordan Valley, and female soldiers are barred from joining the frontline combat brigades that are deployed in the event of war.

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Thanks.

She’s 3.

Hamas kidnapped Yahel to Gaza.

She’s 3. pic.twitter.com/PsVSPJXoum

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“An elite unit of Israeli agents has been formed to hunt down every Hamas terrorist involved in the heinous Oct. 7 sneak attack on the Jewish state, according to reports.”https://t.co/Iw4MwIbnGC

— James A. Gagliano (@JamesAGagliano) October 22, 2023

Dude, just delete this already. https://t.co/LEbW35B3vv

— Rita Panahi (@RitaPanahi) October 22, 2023

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— John Solomon (@jsolomonReports) October 22, 2023

IDF has been pounding northern Gaza pretty heavy for past several hours

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JUST IN: China has reportedly deployed multiple warships to the Middle East region after the United States deployed two carrier strike groups.

Up to 6 Chinese warships were reportedly deployed including two advanced 052D destroyers.

The news comes as the United States has… pic.twitter.com/gkFHjTyaQO

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) October 22, 2023

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I wonder if they sent any submarines.

They have a decent number of nuclear boats that would be out there. My guess is they will generally have 2-3 out in the Indian Ocean including a boomer on deterrence patrol and a couple of HKs.

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Is Hezbollah supported by the Lebanese government?

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Is Hezbollah supported by the Lebanese government?

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Yes and no. Complicated.

JB99 said:

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Is Hezbollah supported by the Lebanese government?

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Not sure if you meant this as a rhetorical, but yes and they have been since the mid-90's.

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JB99 said:

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Is Hezbollah supported by the Lebanese government?

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Not sure if you meant this as a rhetorical, but yes and they have been since the mid-90's.

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I guess what I'm asking is if Israel declares war on Hezbollah does that imply they are at war with Lebanon? Is Hezbollah a military wing of Lebanon? I've heard they are more alligned with Iran but I don't claim to really understand it. I mean if Lebanon allows them to station themselves in their country I would think that would make them complicit in whatever they do.

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JB99 said:

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Is Hezbollah supported by the Lebanese government?

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Not sure if you meant this as a rhetorical, but yes and they have been since the mid-90's.

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I guess what I'm asking is if Israel declares war on Hezbollah does that imply they are at war with Lebanon? Is Hezbollah a military wing of Lebanon? I've heard they are more alligned with Iran but I don't claim to really understand it. I mean if Lebanon allows them to station themselves in their country I would think that would make them complicit in whatever they do.

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They don't really have an option unless they want to have a civil war with one side backed by Iran. And then watch their entire country be annihilated.

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zephyr88 said:

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JB99 said:

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Is Hezbollah supported by the Lebanese government?

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Not sure if you meant this as a rhetorical, but yes and they have been since the mid-90's.

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I guess what I'm asking is if Israel declares war on Hezbollah does that imply they are at war with Lebanon? Is Hezbollah a military wing of Lebanon? I've heard they are more alligned with Iran but I don't claim to really understand it. I mean if Lebanon allows them to station themselves in their country I would think that would make them complicit in whatever they do.

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Aggiehawg said it very eloquently... Yes/No/Complicated.

Hezbollah aka the Party of God (Allah) is a unifier of radical Islam.

Israel is like the nice house in the middle of the hood.

At the end of the day, if Hazbollah, while residing in Lebanon (complacent landlord) while being funded by Iran (daddy), decides to kick this up a notch, it will be their muslim brothers who join arms against Israel. Israel, in turn, will be supported by the Christian nations of Europe and the West. With Russia and China on the sidelines, this is a bit of a tinderbox at the moment.

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JB99 said:

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zephyr88 said:

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JB99 said:

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Is Hezbollah supported by the Lebanese government?

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Not sure if you meant this as a rhetorical, but yes and they have been since the mid-90's.

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I guess what I'm asking is if Israel declares war on Hezbollah does that imply they are at war with Lebanon? Is Hezbollah a military wing of Lebanon? I've heard they are more alligned with Iran but I don't claim to really understand it. I mean if Lebanon allows them to station themselves in their country I would think that would make them complicit in whatever they do.

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Aggiehawg said it very eloquently... Yes/No/Complicated.

Hezbollah aka the Party of God (Allah) is a unifier of radical Islam.

Israel is like the nice house in the middle of the hood.

At the end of the day, if Hazbollah, while residing in Lebanon (complacent landlord) while being funded by Iran (daddy), decides to kick this up a notch, it will be their muslim brothers who join arms against Israel. Israel, in turn, will be supported by the Christian nations of Europe and the West. With Russia and China on the sidelines, this is a bit of a tinderbox at the moment.

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Thanks for explaining. Sounds like Lebanon has no say in the matter.

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Hazbollah and Hamas are all funded by other muslin counties mostly Iran, but Qatar and others, so they don't have to directly fight Israel

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in addition to H&H there are prob another 10 factions. There is always a bunch more groups.

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BQ_90 said:

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Hazbollah and Hamas are all funded by other muslin counties mostly Iran, but Qatar and others, so they don't have to directly fight Israel

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in addition to H&H there are prob another 10 factions. There is always a bunch more groups.

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Cause Jordan and Egypt doesn't really want one unified group cause they could easily go after them

Part of the delay for ground invasion is that U.S. is moving troops and assets to beef up capabilities in Middle East. Syrian and Iraqi bases are getting prepared for more attacks and we are moving more unmanned assets into the region as well.

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zephyr88 said:

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JB99 said:

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Is Hezbollah supported by the Lebanese government?

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Not sure if you meant this as a rhetorical, but yes and they have been since the mid-90's.

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I guess what I'm asking is if Israel declares war on Hezbollah does that imply they are at war with Lebanon? Is Hezbollah a military wing of Lebanon? I've heard they are more alligned with Iran but I don't claim to really understand it. I mean if Lebanon allows them to station themselves in their country I would think that would make them complicit in whatever they do.

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We did use that reasoning to go into Afghanistan to get AQ. So, perhaps Israel will use the same reasoning. Although the Afghan "government" was more nebulous than Lebanon's is...