Joes said:

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JobSecurity said:

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BERAKING: Shortly after Biden meets Israeli war cabinet Israel announces it will allow the entry of humanitarian aid to Gaza from Egypt, Israeli officials say

— Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) October 18, 2023

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At a minimum the Israelis should demand the cargo be inspected by third parties before crossing the border to verify there are no weapons with the shipments. There is about a zero percent chance the Arab countries sending supplies won't try to smuggle military aid to Hamas.

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Yeah but even food and water and medical supplies and such is still just going to go to Hamas.

We are the dumbest country around. It's astonishing we're as powerful as we are. For now anyway..

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RGLAG85 said:

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FireAg said:

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There's very little chance the Israelis hit a hospital…

The ME wants full scale war with the West…

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From listening to Morons like Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley it certainly seems like America is the one itching for war. Didn't Janet Yellen just say "we can afford 2 wars". Insane.

Talking about this conflict is impossible because both sides just say everything their side does that normal people would consider horrific is fake. And there's plenty on both sides.

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what EXACTLY has been "fake" from the Israeli side?

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Additionally, the idea that this all just started relatively unprovoked is a lie, both sides have been killing civilians from the other side for decades.

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This is such bull**** and only a reason for you to hold onto an anti-Israeli view point. Show me one time Israel has killed Palestinian civilians unprovoked and I'll show you a hundred of the Palestinians doing it to Israelis.

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Ok. From times of Israel - 151 Palestinians died in the conflict last year (PA claims 167), versus 27 Israelites. Most estimates of the deaths this month have Israeli deaths at 1,500 and Palestinian deaths around 3,000.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/2022-shaping-up-to-be-deadliest-for-israelis-and-palestinians-in-years/amp/

Excerpts from the article:

Several bystanders have been killed amid the gun battles too, such as Al Jazeera reporter Shireen Abu Akleh, who was accidentally shot dead by an Israeli soldier during a raid in Jenin in May.

On Sunday night, a 16-year-old girl, Jana Zakarna, was apparently shot dead by an Israeli soldier as she was on a rooftop in Jenin, amid an armed clash between troops and Palestinian gunmen.

In the cases of Abu Akleh, Zakarna, and Omar Assad a Palestinian who had a heart attack and died after being arrested and later abandoned by troops Israeli officials and even the army have apologized for their deaths.

But there have also been Palestinians killed in murkier circumstances, such as Ammar Shafiq Abu Afifa, an unarmed 19-year-old student who was shot dead after running away from troops who sought to question him. The IDF did not say he sought to commit an attack or was otherwise wanted for questioning.

Excerpt from United Nations report in 2022

Reiterating the United Nations steadfast support to both sides in achieving a sustainable peace, he outlined recent developments on the ground, noting that a total of 14 Palestinians were killed between 8 December 2022 and 13 January 2023, and another 117 were injured by Israeli security forces. Israeli settlers or other civilians perpetrated 63 attacks against Palestinians resulting in 28 injuries, including six children. According to Israeli sources, five Israeli civilians and four security forces personnel were injured by Palestinians in attacks, clashes, the throwing of stones and Molotov cocktails, and other incidents. Palestinians perpetrated a total of 89 attacks against Israeli civilians during the reporting period.

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Who provoked it?

Again, show me where Israel has just killed Palestinians because it was a Tuesday?

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LMCane said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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TXaggiesTX said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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TXaggiesTX said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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TXaggiesTX said:

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LMCane said:

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TXaggiesTX said:

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FireAg said:

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There's very little chance the Israelis hit a hospital…

The ME wants full scale war with the West…

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From listening to Morons like Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley it certainly seems like America is the one itching for war. Didn't Janet Yellen just say "we can afford 2 wars". Insane.

Talking about this conflict is impossible because both sides just say everything their side does that normal people would consider horrific is fake. And there's plenty on both sides.

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what EXACTLY has been "fake" from the Israeli side?

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Additionally, the idea that this all just started relatively unprovoked is a lie, both sides have been killing civilians from the other side for decades.

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This is such bull**** and only a reason for you to hold onto an anti-Israeli view point. Show me one time Israel has killed Palestinian civilians unprovoked and I'll show you a hundred of the Palestinians doing it to Israelis.

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Ok. From times of Israel - 151 Palestinians died in the conflict last year (PA claims 167), versus 27 Israelites. Most estimates of the deaths this month have Israeli deaths at 1,500 and Palestinian deaths around 3,000.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/2022-shaping-up-to-be-deadliest-for-israelis-and-palestinians-in-years/amp/

Excerpts from the article:

Several bystanders have been killed amid the gun battles too, such as Al Jazeera reporter Shireen Abu Akleh, who was accidentally shot dead by an Israeli soldier during a raid in Jenin in May.

On Sunday night, a 16-year-old girl, Jana Zakarna, was apparently shot dead by an Israeli soldier as she was on a rooftop in Jenin, amid an armed clash between troops and Palestinian gunmen.

In the cases of Abu Akleh, Zakarna, and Omar Assad a Palestinian who had a heart attack and died after being arrested and later abandoned by troops Israeli officials and even the army have apologized for their deaths.

But there have also been Palestinians killed in murkier circumstances, such as Ammar Shafiq Abu Afifa, an unarmed 19-year-old student who was shot dead after running away from troops who sought to question him. The IDF did not say he sought to commit an attack or was otherwise wanted for questioning.

Excerpt from United Nations report in 2022

Reiterating the United Nations steadfast support to both sides in achieving a sustainable peace, he outlined recent developments on the ground, noting that a total of 14 Palestinians were killed between 8 December 2022 and 13 January 2023, and another 117 were injured by Israeli security forces. Israeli settlers or other civilians perpetrated 63 attacks against Palestinians resulting in 28 injuries, including six children. According to Israeli sources, five Israeli civilians and four security forces personnel were injured by Palestinians in attacks, clashes, the throwing of stones and Molotov cocktails, and other incidents. Palestinians perpetrated a total of 89 attacks against Israeli civilians during the reporting period.

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Who provoked it?

Again, show me where Israel has just killed Palestinians because it was a Tuesday?

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What? Every death I just listed was the result of something that happened earlier. This conflict has been ongoing for 70 years. You wouldn't consider going to some family farm that they have been on for generations and just forcibly taking it over and forcing them off provocative? That doesn't justify Palestinian murders of Israelis but 99% of the violence in this conflict and every conflict has some form of internal justification from the perpetrator. I bet you think every time or most of the time an Israeli kills a Palestinian it's totally justified. That's…laughable is the wrong word but it's very ignorant. And what BLM is saying the other way is also ignorant.

Regardless - The most important thing in this conflict is that America doesn't take a side and get ourselves into another Middle East mess. We need Trump, the only candidate that doesn't seem to be pounding the war drum.

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If the argument you're clumsily attempting to make puts you even remotely on the side of the group who just massacred 1,500+ civilians, including infants and grandparents, you should probably stop.

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"What? Every death I just listed was the result of something that happened earlier. This conflict has been ongoing for 70 years.

You wouldn't consider going to some family farm that they have been on for generations and just forcibly taking it over and forcing them off provocative?

That doesn't justify German murders of Jews and Poles- but 99% of the violence in this conflict and every conflict has some form of internal justification from the perpetrator.

I bet you think every time or most of the time a British soldier kills a German it's totally justified. That's…laughable is the wrong word but it's very ignorant. And what Berlin is saying the other way is also ignorant.


Regardless - The most important thing in this conflict is that America doesn't take a side and get ourselves into another European mess. We need Lindbergh, the only candidate that doesn't seem to be pounding the war drum."

same poster in early 1941 defending the Nazis.

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BREAKING: Biden says he will send to Congress this week a request for an unprecedented military aid package for Israel

— Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) October 18, 2023

JobSecurity said:

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and here we go

BREAKING: Biden says he will send to Congress this week a request for an unprecedented military aid package for Israel

— Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) October 18, 2023

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JobSecurity said:

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and here we go

BREAKING: Biden says he will send to Congress this week a request for an unprecedented military aid package for Israel

— Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) October 18, 2023

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TXaggiesTX said:

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Quick, somebody is insinuating that Jews are not 100% in the moral right all the time - better bring up WW2!! Never heard that one before. There's a genocide happening between Armenia and Azerbaijan right now, should we intervene there? How about all the human smuggling and child slavery and warring tribes in Africa? Let's bomb Zambia!!

For the record, yes I believe WW2 could have largely been avoided, "Hitler, Churchill, and the Unnecessary War" by Pat Buchanan is a great book on the subject.

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Rossticus said:

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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no comment. but here's scott ritter's not positive forecast.

go to beginning of stream.

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Pedo convict expat now Russian resident and persistent propagandist shill Scott Ritter? I guess at least having awareness of the propaganda sanctioned by a source who also supports Hamas has value I guess? Apart from that, though, this guy's analysis on everything is trash.

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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no comment. but here's scott ritter's not positive forecast.

go to beginning of stream.

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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Rossticus said:

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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no comment. but here's scott ritter's not positive forecast.

go to beginning of stream.

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Pedo convict expat now Russian resident and persistent propagandist shill Scott Ritter? I guess at least having awareness of the propaganda sanctioned by a source who also supports Hamas has value I guess? Apart from that, though, this guy's analysis on everything is trash.

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I don't know as much about him as you do, and I've been avoiding the Xs and Os, but he lays out a ground invasion scenario that doesn't sound great for Israel. And I remember him saying early on when folks were predicting a win in Ukraine, that would not happen. so he was mostly right about that.

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doubledog said:

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Evacuate the women, children and elderly from Gaza and take them to the West Bank, Egypt or whoever will have them. Any one remaining is fair game.

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UNRWA: We no longer have any water or food to provide to the people of the Gaza Strip

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TXaggiesTX said:

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LMCane said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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TXaggiesTX said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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TXaggiesTX said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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TXaggiesTX said:

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LMCane said:

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TXaggiesTX said:

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FireAg said:

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There's very little chance the Israelis hit a hospital…

The ME wants full scale war with the West…

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From listening to Morons like Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley it certainly seems like America is the one itching for war. Didn't Janet Yellen just say "we can afford 2 wars". Insane.

Talking about this conflict is impossible because both sides just say everything their side does that normal people would consider horrific is fake. And there's plenty on both sides.

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what EXACTLY has been "fake" from the Israeli side?

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Additionally, the idea that this all just started relatively unprovoked is a lie, both sides have been killing civilians from the other side for decades.

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This is such bull**** and only a reason for you to hold onto an anti-Israeli view point. Show me one time Israel has killed Palestinian civilians unprovoked and I'll show you a hundred of the Palestinians doing it to Israelis.

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Ok. From times of Israel - 151 Palestinians died in the conflict last year (PA claims 167), versus 27 Israelites. Most estimates of the deaths this month have Israeli deaths at 1,500 and Palestinian deaths around 3,000.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/2022-shaping-up-to-be-deadliest-for-israelis-and-palestinians-in-years/amp/

Excerpts from the article:

Several bystanders have been killed amid the gun battles too, such as Al Jazeera reporter Shireen Abu Akleh, who was accidentally shot dead by an Israeli soldier during a raid in Jenin in May.

On Sunday night, a 16-year-old girl, Jana Zakarna, was apparently shot dead by an Israeli soldier as she was on a rooftop in Jenin, amid an armed clash between troops and Palestinian gunmen.

In the cases of Abu Akleh, Zakarna, and Omar Assad a Palestinian who had a heart attack and died after being arrested and later abandoned by troops Israeli officials and even the army have apologized for their deaths.

But there have also been Palestinians killed in murkier circumstances, such as Ammar Shafiq Abu Afifa, an unarmed 19-year-old student who was shot dead after running away from troops who sought to question him. The IDF did not say he sought to commit an attack or was otherwise wanted for questioning.

Excerpt from United Nations report in 2022

Reiterating the United Nations steadfast support to both sides in achieving a sustainable peace, he outlined recent developments on the ground, noting that a total of 14 Palestinians were killed between 8 December 2022 and 13 January 2023, and another 117 were injured by Israeli security forces. Israeli settlers or other civilians perpetrated 63 attacks against Palestinians resulting in 28 injuries, including six children. According to Israeli sources, five Israeli civilians and four security forces personnel were injured by Palestinians in attacks, clashes, the throwing of stones and Molotov cocktails, and other incidents. Palestinians perpetrated a total of 89 attacks against Israeli civilians during the reporting period.

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Who provoked it?

Again, show me where Israel has just killed Palestinians because it was a Tuesday?

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What? Every death I just listed was the result of something that happened earlier. This conflict has been ongoing for 70 years. You wouldn't consider going to some family farm that they have been on for generations and just forcibly taking it over and forcing them off provocative? That doesn't justify Palestinian murders of Israelis but 99% of the violence in this conflict and every conflict has some form of internal justification from the perpetrator. I bet you think every time or most of the time an Israeli kills a Palestinian it's totally justified. That's…laughable is the wrong word but it's very ignorant. And what BLM is saying the other way is also ignorant.

Regardless - The most important thing in this conflict is that America doesn't take a side and get ourselves into another Middle East mess. We need Trump, the only candidate that doesn't seem to be pounding the war drum.

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If the argument you're clumsily attempting to make puts you even remotely on the side of the group who just massacred 1,500+ civilians, including infants and grandparents, you should probably stop.

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"What? Every death I just listed was the result of something that happened earlier. This conflict has been ongoing for 70 years.

You wouldn't consider going to some family farm that they have been on for generations and just forcibly taking it over and forcing them off provocative?

That doesn't justify German murders of Jews and Poles- but 99% of the violence in this conflict and every conflict has some form of internal justification from the perpetrator.

I bet you think every time or most of the time a British soldier kills a German it's totally justified. That's…laughable is the wrong word but it's very ignorant. And what Berlin is saying the other way is also ignorant.


Regardless - The most important thing in this conflict is that America doesn't take a side and get ourselves into another European mess. We need Lindbergh, the only candidate that doesn't seem to be pounding the war drum."

same poster in early 1941 defending the Nazis.

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Quick, somebody is insinuating that Jews are not 100% in the moral right all the time - better bring up WW2!! Never heard that one before. There's a genocide happening between Armenia and Azerbaijan right now, should we intervene there? How about all the human smuggling and child slavery and warring tribes in Africa? Let's bomb Zambia!!

For the record, yes I believe WW2 could have largely been avoided, "Hitler, Churchill, and the Unnecessary War" by Pat Buchanan is a great book on the subject.

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Catag94 said:

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So, I'm busy at work and admittedly barely keeping up. Can someone fill in a few blanks?

1-Rocket hit near or at hospital
2- Rocket seemingly hit in parking lot and video this morning shows this.
3- Hamas immediately blamed Israel and precipitated the same from other ME countries and Palestinian sympathizers.
4-Evidence has seemingly shown this was propaganda and that Hana's actually failed a missile launch and knows it (internal communications support this)

Did the hospital actually explode and are there daytime pics if this?

Has there been any confirmation of anywhere close to "500 casualties"?

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Everything is correct except there wasn't an explosion. I saw a bunch of videos being passed around last night on twitter that seemed to show detonation of a bomb, but there is no crater, no buildings were leveled, and no windows were blown out. What it does show is that a rocket fell in a parking lot and caused a small fire.

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one other correction-

Israel believes it was a missile that failed as part of a missile barrage from Islamic Jihad, not Hamas.

it's hard to keep up with the different terror organizations in Gaza.

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Real question: Is there a meaningful difference here? Isn't Hamas in essence engaged in Jihad?

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Line Ate Member said:

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doubledog said:

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Evacuate the women, children and elderly from Gaza and take them to the West Bank, Egypt or whoever will have them. Any one remaining is fair game.

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The issue is that a large portion of the populace in Gaza has been radicalized. Look at previous videos of children in elementary aged classrooms spouting out Hamas rhetoric.

Moving that population anywhere will destabilize wherever they go. Why do no other Arab countries want to take the refugees in?

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Rossticus said:

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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Rossticus said:

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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no comment. but here's scott ritter's not positive forecast.

go to beginning of stream.

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Pedo convict expat now Russian resident and persistent propagandist shill Scott Ritter? I guess at least having awareness of the propaganda sanctioned by a source who also supports Hamas has value I guess? Apart from that, though, this guy's analysis on everything is trash.

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I don't know as much about him as you do, and I've been avoiding the Xs and Os, but he lays out a ground invasion scenario that doesn't sound great for Israel. And I remember him saying early on when folks were predicting a win in Ukraine, that would not happen. so he was mostly right about that.

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If you look at the actual details of what he's predicted, and when/why he's predicted it, he's been consistently wrong about just about everything he's weighed in on. I expect this to be no different.

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Rossticus said:

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I think he's attributing too much prescient forethought to the Palestinians knowing that this is how things would go. I don't think they expected this degree of response and I think that they were convinced by the other nations/organizations that aided and encouraged them that assistance would be quickly forthcoming once any Israeli operation against Gaza was initiated.

I don't think they went into this anticipating or attempting to instigate isolated, unassisted urban warfare with the IDF.

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note - all findings aside from the Audio which is IDF have been independently researched including audio analysis and geolocation.
Iv really spent some time on Project Owl and a couple other OSINT sites looking at their study of the hospital hit and I'm fairly damn confident at this point it was a misfired rocket that hit the hospital. The initial damage report of the hospital seems to be completely off with the explosion seeming to have taken place in a parking lot and no buildings visibly demolished. Photos taken of the site in the morning have been released, it confirms it was in no way a JDAM that hit the site but a much smaller munition. The shrapnel pattern from the blast when correlated to the geolocated images indicate the blast came from a direction within Gaza.
The audio Israel claims to have intercepted which states it was fired from a cemetery compound behind the hospital adds up with the direction but not the location as the cemetery seems to be closer.
The audio from the " close in video " didn't add up with the distance from the blast and didn't match audio patterns with other recordings of the same blast.
There's now multiple pieces of footage showing a rocket barrage followed by an explosion outside the hospital.
On average around 200 of every 1000 rockets fired fall short and add that to the fact these are home made rockets for the most part. Ima keep posting up findings.

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