BBRex said:

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I'm not sure there's going to be peace talks anytime soon.

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In a televised address Wednesday night, Netanyahu detailed atrocities that took place during the attack, including boys and girls bound and shot in the head, people burned alive, women raped and soldiers who were beheaded. "Every Hamas member is a dead man," he said. "We will crush and destroy it."

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https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-airstrikes-hostages-e4ae51a640a3fc04b23ea9561703f874

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here it is if anyone wants to watch

'The people of Israel are united, and today its government is united'

Prime Minister Netanyahu shares gruesome new details of atrocities committed by Hamas while delivering first statement after the formation of an emergency government pic.twitter.com/sKelq6novl

— i24NEWS English (@i24NEWS_EN) October 11, 2023

I'm not surprised at the lack of training seen in these terrorists, these are the useful idiots that are the cannon fodder for Hamas leadership and the Iranians. They never had any illusions that they could seize and control large swaths of Israel all they wanted was a mob of idiots to go in and kill and create mayhem. Iran wanted to halt the peace deal between SA and Israel and Hamas just wanted dead Jews and you don't need to waste time and money training to accomplish that. In the past the training camps is what gave away their plan and Israel would just send an F16 to wipe out a bunch of tents in the desert before an attack could happen.

Hamas's Al-Qassam Brigades claim to have released an Israeli woman and her two children from captivity in Gaza.

🔴 LIVE updates: https://t.co/znZpuD3k2O pic.twitter.com/qTMp654fWu

— Al Jazeera English (@AJEnglish) October 11, 2023

Rossticus said:

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JobSecurity said:

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🔴Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman: ‘The Kingdom is making regional and international efforts to stop the escalation in Gaza’

— i24NEWS English (@i24NEWS_EN) October 11, 2023

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Isn't it interesting how it's always the country that fights back who's escalating? Very interesting indeed.

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Never the first punch that gets the flag...

Well, that and only women were left alive for the most part

An Unknown Drone has reportedly been spotted in the Sky near the Settlement of Nachal Oz to the East of the Gaza Strip as a result an “Aircraft Penetration Alert” has been Announced. pic.twitter.com/rWQf1mfPAi

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) October 11, 2023

JFABNRGR said:

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I disagree with this completely. Hostages for trading of prisoners was not the main objective. If it was then no further bloodshed would have been made to include such horrific atrocities. Once blood is spilled t chances of getting them back decreases significantly.

If you were correct we would have seen them protected from both the takers and the spectators instead we saw them raped, sodomized, beaten, spit on and photographed.

Sadly they were trophies.

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Some of the Hamas invaders seemed surprised that they were able to make off with the hostages before being engaged. I wonder if this operation was more "successful" than it was supposed to be.

If so that it very bad for the hostages

Agthatbuilds said:

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Hamas's Al-Qassam Brigades claim to have released an Israeli woman and her two children from captivity in Gaza.

🔴 LIVE updates: https://t.co/znZpuD3k2O pic.twitter.com/qTMp654fWu

— Al Jazeera English (@AJEnglish) October 11, 2023

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I'll believe it when I see it.

Keep going or keep dying.

torrid said:

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As far as the musical festival, do you think Hamas deliberately sought it as a target? Or did they just get lucky and find a large group of people in a small area?

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This is what I have been focused on since Saturday

I just think it is unbelievable that Hamas simply stumbled onto 1000 young people who were completely defenseless in the desert.

they were planning that op for months, they had to have found out when the festival was going to be to have so many Hamas terrorists surround them and attack from several directions.

Hamas is in damage control mode. Al Jazeera is broadcasting footage from the terror group showing an Israeli mother and her kids being released back to Israel. Unclear when the video was taken. pic.twitter.com/7jemvVCGpC

— Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) October 11, 2023

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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Well yea. The first one just stole some people and used guns and knives/shovels/hoes

The other is dropping buildings for goodness sakes. That's totally an escalation!

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Can't emphasize that enough and it needs to be stressed not skipped over because it is unpleasant.

I have tried to avoid viewing videos of the barbaric depravity displayed by Hamas, yet I've still have seen some instances. There is no possible way to escalate beyond what they have done. We're talking about countless acts as horrendous as using a dull garden hoe to strike at the neck of an injured man laying on the ground.

There are couple recordings that my brain will never erase from this Hamas terrorism, just the same way as my memory of the WTC.

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It's an unfortunate reality that good people must view the depravity of the savages.

I try not to look at the worst of the atrocities -but have seen enough to understand this enemy can not be reasoned with, can not be compromised with.

the only answer is the utter elimination of the abilty of Hamas to launch any further military strikes.

This

I don't think it really matters at this point if they are dead or alive.

Agthatbuilds said:

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Hamas is in damage control mode. Al Jazeera is broadcasting footage from the terror group showing an Israeli mother and her kids being released back to Israel. Unclear when the video was taken. pic.twitter.com/7jemvVCGpC

— Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) October 11, 2023

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I would think that had to be for some reason in the first day or two-

it doesn't seem that today with IDF forces all over the border

that you would see Hamas terrorists strolling in an unconcerned fashion BACK from the fence/wall.

LMCane said:

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torrid said:

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As far as the musical festival, do you think Hamas deliberately sought it as a target? Or did they just get lucky and find a large group of people in a small area?

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This is what I have been focused on since Saturday

I just think it is unbelievable that Hamas simply stumbled onto 1000 young people who were completely defenseless in the desert.

they were planning that op for months, they had to have found out when the festival was going to be to have so many Hamas terrorists surround them and attack from several directions.

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They certainly had plans to attack that festival since you can see from video that they deliberately cut off the routes of those fleeing in vehicles.

That's my reading of it too.

It's too late, even of that family was really returned. You already pushed the button, hamas. Returning a single family doesn't do anything for you

LMCane said:

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torrid said:

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As far as the musical festival, do you think Hamas deliberately sought it as a target? Or did they just get lucky and find a large group of people in a small area?

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This is what I have been focused on since Saturday

I just think it is unbelievable that Hamas simply stumbled onto 1000 young people who were completely defenseless in the desert.

they were planning that op for months, they had to have found out when the festival was going to be to have so many Hamas terrorists surround them and attack from several directions.

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How long in advance was that festival planned? And when was that location chosen?

Also, how did Hamas know how to quickly disable all of the sensors on the wall? How tightly was that information held?

LMCane said:

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torrid said:

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As far as the musical festival, do you think Hamas deliberately sought it as a target? Or did they just get lucky and find a large group of people in a small area?

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This is what I have been focused on since Saturday

I just think it is unbelievable that Hamas simply stumbled onto 1000 young people who were completely defenseless in the desert.

they were planning that op for months, they had to have found out when the festival was going to be to have so many Hamas terrorists surround them and attack from several directions.

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This is interesting, although maybe there are just limited locations for a festival like this?

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The attendees had not been given the exact location of the festival until a few hours before it began at 10 p.m. Friday. "The event will take place in a powerful natural location full of trees, stunning in its beauty and organized for your convenience, about an hour and a quarter south of Tel Aviv," ticket buyers were told in the lead-up.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/08/israel-festival-attack-gaza-militants/

https://instagr.am/p/CyRUrdPuG_L

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"At first driving into the village it looks kind of like an American suburb. Big green trees, nice paved streets and a community center area. Then you see scorch marks on the ground, vehicles riddled with bullet holes, buildings with walls blown apart, and the IDF. Most patrolling and some taking a knee for a momentary rest.

Remembering the videos on Saturday of civilians being kidnapped by H@m@s and dragged through the streets. I came to the realization that these were the same streets I saw on those videos. That these were the homes of the people still being held hostage in Gaza.

We saw destruction as we walked around the village. Rubble everywhere. We crossed in between a section of houses to another and a terrible smell came with a gust of wind. That's when I realize I just walked past a body only a meter away. A body of a H@m@s fighter covered in blood and debris.

As we walked around Kibbut Be'eri there was notably more bodies. Many in body bags thanks to the search and rescue teams and even volunteers that came to help bring peace to the people massacred here. There were also many bodies of H@m@s fighters that the IDF engaged in heavy gun fight the day prior. Their bodies bloating and rotting under the sun. Those bodies will be last to be touched."
- 'Civilian' Souther Israel, Kfar Aza and Kibbut Be'eri. October 11th, 2023

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Burrus86 said:

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JobSecurity said:

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🔴Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman: ‘The Kingdom is making regional and international efforts to stop the escalation in Gaza’

— i24NEWS English (@i24NEWS_EN) October 11, 2023

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What if the Saudi's offered immediate recognition to Israel as an "out" to stop the complete destruction of Gaza? That would blow up in Iran's face.

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That is terrific strategic thinking and what I told my best friend (a Colonel in the US Army NG)

but he said that peace with Saudi has to wait as the IDF needs to level Gaza first to reassert deterrence.

I do think that Netanyahu should meet with MBS and sign a peace deal as soon as possible to show Iran their plans did not work.

They don't work that way. The MIC types aren't trying to get hands dirty with wat. That will happen on its own unfortunately. They're more about lobbying and pressing for their own solutions to defense challenges to be adopted, wartime or peacetime.

They may support those more likely to use the military, but they don't start the wars.

Aggie_2463 said:

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It's hard for me to truly fathom what some of these Israeli's are dealing with and seeing, because this isn't something many of us over here see. I try to imagine if that was my son who was beheaded, and his body burned. War crimes would be the last thing on my mind as the rage over took me. I imagine this is how all of Israel feels right now. T&P

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Right now the feeling is one more of despair and utter sadness and shock.

based on population size this would be a 9/11 that murdered 32,000 Americans in one day.

I believe that each day that goes by, and with Gantz now in the government-

that the emotions will turn from hysteria and depression to righteous rage.

when that happens, the IDF is going to be killing a lot of Hamas terrorists.

Egypt has discussed plans with the United States and others to provide humanitarian aid through its border with Gaza Strip but rejects any move to set up safe corridors for refugees fleeing the enclave, Egyptian security sources said on Wednesday.https://t.co/PcjY9b6pRv

— The Jerusalem Post (@Jerusalem_Post) October 11, 2023

Won't be any refugees from this escaping to Egypt