Not a Bot said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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https://instagr.am/p/CyQmABjLztV

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For those who can't follow the link, the guy circled is one of the founders of Hamas and was allegedly sent off to meet his virgins today.

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Can they go through the Suez Canal? Since not carrier sized? I think they can but not sure,

I'm sure someone here can answer that. I dont know

TAMUallen said:

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Haven't been watching the live feeds today.

What has the level of missile/bomb strikes been like? The Gaza Strip views certainly look much darker today compared to yesterday.

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Well, it's a little flatter.

I don't have time to read 84 pages, but this has been with me since these events started:



"You can't serve papers on a rat, baby sister. You either have to kill him, or leave him alone." There's truth in that statement.

LMCane said:

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I wish you guys could see some of these videos on the live news-

they were interviewing one guy who looks like Jesus

who you can see from the "Ring" home surveillance goes out with an M-4 and takes down 4 terrorists in his kibbutz

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Live news where?
like CNN?
Or someplace else?

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Hope they were home

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Hamas isn't stupid, they would have moved their own families to safe houses first.

aggiehawg said:

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Can they go through the Suez Canal? Since not carrier sized? I think they can but not sure,

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Yes.

ETA Eisenhower has gone through it.

zgolfz85 said:

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Pepper Brooks said:

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Reiterates a lot of my personal thoughts. There are so many confusing elements of this and what's terrifying is that I don't understand how the global intelligence agencies all missed this. I could see how Mossad could, but not intelligence agencies universally. Part of me thinks they not only stumbled upon it, but that they say on that intelligence rather than letting the Israelis know. Our own government and this administration specifically seems far too complicit and
like they're just virtue signaling as long as they have to, while in honesty they're really sympathetic to the Palestinians.

I agree that these terrorists didn't look all that organized and clearly weren't trained in traditional military tactics and marksmanship, etc, but they did a lot of damage considering the amateurishness of it all. I think that's largely a factor of the pure element of surprise given the religious holiday, the fact that most of these border communities have fairly normal small town type livelihoods, even with their proximity to Gaza, etc.

TL did read!

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I can't imagine our intelligence apparatus sitting on this information. They would have had to know how destabilizing this would be. I'm a lot more inclined to believe that they had bits and pieces but didn't really know the scale or exact timing. Or Israel for some reason discounted the information it was given.

I am starting to wonder if Hamas didn't expect to catch Israel this off guard. It's terrible to say, but if the attack had just killed a bunch of Israeli soldiers and a few civilians and netted a few hostages, that would have been within the expectations of the conflict. And Hamas would have been satisfied with that. But the attackers were so successful that they overwhelmed a couple of bases and the police presence, then had more time than expected and went off the reservation with wholesale rape and atrocities. Hamas doesn't have a choice but to pretend it's the goal, but they also realize what this means as far as Israeli response.

Thanks. Appreciate it.

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2023/10/11/marine-unit-leaves-kuwait-exercise-early-because-of-emerging-events/

ABATTBQ11 said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Haven't been watching the live feeds today.

What has the level of missile/bomb strikes been like? The Gaza Strip views certainly look much darker today compared to yesterday.

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Well, it's a little flatter.

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Haha yea yea but really, has anybody been watching? Have many explosions been occurring today (night for them)?

TAMUallen said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Haven't been watching the live feeds today.

What has the level of missile/bomb strikes been like? The Gaza Strip views certainly look much darker today compared to yesterday.

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Well, it's a little flatter.

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Haha yea yea but really, has anybody been watching? Have many explosions been occurring today (night for them)?

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No. Not many this evening or tonight. Mostly outbound stuff that was intercepted by the Iron Dome.

"The last line of defense was what we call the orchard gate.

There we stood, armed, some of us in sandals, some in sports shoes. Beyond the hatchery, we saw commercial vehicles out of which armed terrorists were pouring. They were firing at the hatchery.

During the firefight, some of the terrorists headed for the kibbutz.

We ran at them and shot them down. We couldn't let them get near the fence."

"After 90 minutes of fighting by the hatchery, we understood that their ability to get to the kibbutz gate was closer than ever.

One of us took hold of the communications equipment and just repeated over and over, 'Nobody gets into Nir Am!'

At that point, one of the team called the police, who sent border guards to help, enabling the kibbutz fighters to go back to their families."

Citizen Fighters at Kibbutz Nir Am fight off Hamas attacks

Bust out the napalm for tunnels.

A lot of their key leadership is out of the area entirely.

Pepper Brooks said:

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The cynic in me wonders if the war mongering segments of the global intelligence community let it happen to give justification to additional feeding of the military industrial complex.

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Doubt it, in fact, even Hamas is probably shocked at how "successful" their attack was. And are now undoubtedly regretting it.

deddog said:

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Pepper Brooks said:

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The cynic in me wonders if the war mongering segments of the global intelligence community let it happen to give justification to additional feeding of the military industrial complex.

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Doubt it, in fact, even Hamas is probably shocked at how "successful" their attack was. And are now undoubtedly regretting it.

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Are they though? I think the Hamas brass views all of their peons as expendable...hell, their religion solidifies their eternal salvation by way of religious martyrdom. so, what do they care?

Haji Training.
In my observations of the videos of the attacks, I think the attackers had significant training as compared to previous terrorist operations but what they lack is discipline. Commitment to their cause of killing infidels or jews, including death, they have no problem with, which actually leads to a breakdown in discipline/tactics.

When I get a chance to find the video at one of the Kibbitz; I will attach and revisit. In text, they arrive in a car at the gate and immediately exit splitting up to cover flanks and near side/far side just like an infantry squad should do, but as the lead element breaks into Kibbutz to begin killing, those security elements get excited and do not want to miss out and quickly abandon their posts to achieve their own trophies.

The paragliding training is also not something learned overnight even though that one idiot missed the class on High Power Line Danger Areas.

I haven't seen any one handing shooting except in celebration this go around either.

🔴Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman: ‘The Kingdom is making regional and international efforts to stop the escalation in Gaza’

— i24NEWS English (@i24NEWS_EN) October 11, 2023

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Nitro Power said:

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I believe the hostages are already dead. You have heard nothing pertaining to proof of life.

The US might try to negotiate for the Americans release (provided my previous statement is not true), but Israel is not going to negotiate. They have said as much. If they did, after what they have said and they way they have acted, it would really enable the terrorists in the future. Perhaps more so than ever.

With that being said, I just cannot see Bibi not finishing what he started and backing up what he says.

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Zero chance all the hostages are dead. They were the main objective along with the destruction and provoking a response that blows up the rapprochement started under Trump between Israel and the Sunni ruling regimes.

Hamas had hoped to trade some of the hostages for all the prisoners held by Israel, and at this point it's pretty much the only card they are holding, not that it will do them much good in the short term.

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JW said:

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Escalation? I would say that was already achieved by Hamas.

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Yeah, anyone who says Israel escalated things is a total idiot and doesn't have an opinion worth listening to. Hamas beheaded infants but Israel is the aggressor. Clowns.

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MbS can't stand by the Palestinians and then call for peace two days later. It just doesn't work that way.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Hope they were home

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You have to think Mossad has people on the ground staking out lots of addresses right now. They have a list of names and addresses and I doubt they would waste a good missile on an empty house

Maybe they should trade prisoners for hostages. Then bury those prisoners under the rubble of what was Gaza.

Well yea. The first one just stole some people and used guns and knives/shovels/hoes

The other is dropping buildings for goodness sakes. That's totally an escalation!