Bird Poo said:
mike0305 said:
Infection_Ag11 said:
mike0305 said:
I'm more conflicted about supporting Israel than I am of Ukraine actually, surprising since I don't feel any ill towards Jewish and the ones I know are fantastic.
Bibi is a real **** & is trying his best to become a dictator. They don't treat christians well there. The oppression of Palestinians turns the stomach, even in the west bank where leadership has pushed for peace. Maybe this is inevitable given their situation, hard to judge.
I still support them cleaning house there, and Hamas needs to be wiped off the earth for what they did.
Still, zero chance of peace, it's depressing.
The mistreatment of Christian//westerners is largely isolated to the ultra orthodox community which is a small percentage of Israeli Jews. It's only about 10% of the Jewish population (and they treat other Jews badly as well for the record). American perception of Israel is very often of this hyper Jewish society when in reality the vast majority of Israeli Jews are somewhere between moderately and non-religious.
Bibi is trying to change a system that prevents anything from being done because their court ma have too much power. Imagine a world where the US Supreme Court could step in, regardless of whether a case had formally reached them, and declare any law or legislation invalid on the basis of a whim. That's how it's done in Israel.
Jews in Israel are the single largest employer of Palestinians anywhere inside or outside of Israel/Palestine and over a third of the population works in Israel every single day, so I think their oppression is a bit overblown. And again, Israel provides free electricity and water to Palestine.
Israel has their issues, and frankly I don't like how dishonest they are with us at times. They owe America for their continued existence and as repayment they spy on us, steal state secrets and egg on powers in the region to our detriment at times. But they are still far better than anything else from what is otherwise a miserable, tyrannical and barbaric part of the world.
Haha, wow.
In the US you have layers upon layers of checks and balances. In Israel, you have the SC. Bibi has pushed to require unanimous vote to overturn laws proposed by govt. Hundreds of thousands of people in a tiny country were protesting for weeks in the streets, double the BLM protests in scale. He showed a "New Middle East" map at the UN…without Palestine…
Could care less that they spy on us or owe us, many countries do. But their govt is headed off the rails.
NO it's not and you are spreading MSM propaganda.
Israel VOTED for the leaders that approved their govt changes. If they don't like it, they will VOTE to remove those same people. It's as simple as that.
Quit equivocating their politics and govt with ours. THEY VOTED FOR THOSE CHANGES. THERE IS NOT SOME COUP. THERE IS NO JAN 6TH GOING ON. Libs are throwing a hissy fit because conservatives have been voted into office, just like they do here. GMAFB.
I don't watch MSM. I vote republican.
I didn't argue that Bibi didn't rightfully win the vote, or anything about how he was voted into office for that matter.
Nothing about Jan 6th, or some Coup nonsense.
Simply that he is trying to take away any check on his power from the SC, while ramming a bunch of unpopular legislation through (after winning by slimmest of margins). In which I was highlighting the difference between their process and lack of checks on power rather than equivocating (25* given for that drivel, on a conservative message board, in which entire premise was checks on govt power, really?)
In the wave of protests the military was even threatening to stand down.
If he wants to trample Palestinians (not Hamas, I fully support trampling them), push for annexation, piss off the entire ME and start a giant war go for it. We are finally out of that ****hole for the most part and I don't want to go back. Being an ally doesn't mean boundless support, don't drag us into it.
But alas, pls resume all caps'ing a bunch "He's conservative! Evil libs trying to pee in his cheerios!" nonsense.