Yukon Cornelius said:

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This is their Pearl Harbor. We dropped two atomic bombs on population centers.

I don't think they are thinking months/years. They are thinking never again.

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StoneCold99 said:

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Something has to be done about this app..

I can't scroll 2 pages without getting shot up or down 50+ posts.

It's gotta get fixed

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BBRex said:

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Nitro Power said:

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I'm not sure how you can possibly compare what Israel is going to what Hamas did, regardless of the casualties.

Further, they warned people of Gaza to leave within 72 hrs. They gave fair warning, so no they are not close to the line between doing what is necessary and becoming the terrorist.

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I'm not comparing tactics at all, but at the end of the day there is an emotional/moral cost once you commit to blowing up hospitals and schools causalities be damned. That takes a toll on those doing it and the society behind them. You just better be sure that's what is necessary and that you're prepared to accept that cost.

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To help end World War II, the Allies firebombed Dresden and Tokyo. The British bombed German targets at night to minimize their own casualties. When the stakes are high, you do what you must. At the same time, I don't expect to see Israel bomb schools and hospitals unless Hamas puts targets of military value there. Hamas just showed they don't have those sorts of moral concerns.

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YouBet said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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This is their Pearl Harbor. We dropped two atomic bombs on population centers.

I don't think they are thinking months/years. They are thinking never again.

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Sure, I'm just saying I don't have quite as much respect for the stability of Hamas as some seem to. Their own citizens will throw them out if their lives get too miserable. And they certainly have no ability to meaningfully resist the Israeli military, which would win a direct conflict with literally any other nation in the Middle East strictly on the basis of air superiority alone.

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Maybe living in the stone age after Israel bombs them back to it will finally be that trigger. We can hope.

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I agree but let's call it like it is. Telling them to leave is bs

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4the_Record said:

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I agree but let's call it like it is. Telling them to leave is bs

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I realize I'm missing something basic but why can't they head south? Egypt owns and controls the southern border. It's a humanitarian crisis. Egypt supports the Palestinians. Why don't they open the border with Gaza, like Biden did our southern border, and let them stream across?

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Nitro Power said:

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When Israel is done, there won't be anyone to throw out.

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we got that stability from winning total war

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To your second point, war isn't about kill ratios and slaughter, so those numbers don't matter. The question is did you achieve the goal that you set out to accomplish, whether it is national survival or some other geopolitical goal. If the answer is "no," how many you killed or how lopsided the kill ratio was doesn't matter.

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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YouBet said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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This is their Pearl Harbor. We dropped two atomic bombs on population centers.

I don't think they are thinking months/years. They are thinking never again.

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Sure, I'm just saying I don't have quite as much respect for the stability of Hamas as some seem to. Their own citizens will throw them out if their lives get too miserable. And they certainly have no ability to meaningfully resist the Israeli military, which would win a direct conflict with literally any other nation in the Middle East strictly on the basis of air superiority alone.

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Maybe living in the stone age after Israel bombs them back to it will finally be that trigger. We can hope.

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Honestly they could just shut off the supply of power and water they provide for a few weeks and that will probably do the trick.

Most people don't realize that virtually all electricity and something like 80% of Palestine's water is controlled directly by and at the mercy of Israel. They could literally flip a switch today and send them back to a Stone Age society without doing anything else.

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4the_Record said:

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I agree but let's call it like it is. Telling them to leave is bs

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I realize I'm missing something basic but why can't they head south? Egypt owns and controls the southern border. It's a humanitarian crisis. Egypt supports the Palestinians. Why don't they open the border with Gaza, like Biden did our southern border, and let them stream across?

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fullback44 said:

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You could have this right … Hamas got in a street brawl with someone much bigger than them.. not sure anyone besides Iran wants to be connected to what just went down

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This was strictly strategically ****ing stupid and driven purely by their hatred for Israel. This was isis level monstrosity, and the civilized world isn't going to care what happens from here. When you murder 1000 people and celebrate in the street while murdering even more hostages and broadcasting it to the world, most of the world is going to be ok with you being put down like an animal.

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YouBet said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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YouBet said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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This is their Pearl Harbor. We dropped two atomic bombs on population centers.

I don't think they are thinking months/years. They are thinking never again.

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Sure, I'm just saying I don't have quite as much respect for the stability of Hamas as some seem to. Their own citizens will throw them out if their lives get too miserable. And they certainly have no ability to meaningfully resist the Israeli military, which would win a direct conflict with literally any other nation in the Middle East strictly on the basis of air superiority alone.

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Maybe living in the stone age after Israel bombs them back to it will finally be that trigger. We can hope.

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Honestly they could just shut off the supply of power and water they provide for a few weeks and that will probably do the trick.

Most people don't realize that virtually all electricity and something like 80% of Palestine's water is controlled directly by and at the mercy of Israel. They could literally flip a switch today and send them back to a Stone Age society without doing anything else.

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They've already done that. But I'm not sure how you just do that while your enemy is still attacking you and has proclaimed they are going to escalate.

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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BBRex said:

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Nitro Power said:

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I'm not sure how you can possibly compare what Israel is going to what Hamas did, regardless of the casualties.

Further, they warned people of Gaza to leave within 72 hrs. They gave fair warning, so no they are not close to the line between doing what is necessary and becoming the terrorist.

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I'm not comparing tactics at all, but at the end of the day there is an emotional/moral cost once you commit to blowing up hospitals and schools causalities be damned. That takes a toll on those doing it and the society behind them. You just better be sure that's what is necessary and that you're prepared to accept that cost.

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To help end World War II, the Allies firebombed Dresden and Tokyo. The British bombed German targets at night to minimize their own casualties. When the stakes are high, you do what you must. At the same time, I don't expect to see Israel bomb schools and hospitals unless Hamas puts targets of military value there. Hamas just showed they don't have those sorts of moral concerns.

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And to this day we still debate the necessity/mortality of those decisions, and thousands of men went to their graves with the moral scars of having to carry them out. The Dresden fire bombing especially is nearly universally acknowledged today by military personnel and historians as being completely unnecessary and having no meaningful impact on the war whatsoever.

Again, sometimes it's necessary. Just be sure it is when you do so.

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I agree but let's call it like it is. Telling them to leave is bs

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I realize I'm missing something basic but why can't they head south? Egypt owns and controls the southern border. It's a humanitarian crisis. Egypt supports the Palestinians. Why don't they open the border with Gaza, like Biden did our southern border, and let them stream across?

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I agree but let's call it like it is. Telling them to leave is bs

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I realize I'm missing something basic but why can't they head south? Egypt owns and controls the southern border. It's a humanitarian crisis. Egypt supports the Palestinians. Why don't they open the border with Gaza, like Biden did our southern border, and let them stream across?

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They dont want them? They are just a political pawn

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They dont want them? They are just a political pawn

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Yet this is all on the Israelis?

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Israel should just wipe them out, violence and strength is the only thing that will solve the conflict.

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