FireAg said:

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DeSantis was anti-McCarthy…he said as much…those exact words…

So why again is this a MAGA move when MAGA was against it and DeSantis was for it?

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Because a lot of MAGA supports DeSantis, who has positioned himself to be the Trump without Mean Tweets.

The probability is his replacement will be worse for conservatives. All they need is all the Dems and a handful of soft moderate Republicans and we all get a **** sandwich to eat.

If you think some Republicans can't be bought by Dem promises….

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Stive said:

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I predict McCarthy will survive.

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This aged well!

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McCarthy did survive, right up until he didn't.

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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rathAG05 said:

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We are looking at a completely fractured party going forward. What happened today isn't going to benefit anyone except the D's

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Thanks be to MAGA.

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MAGA is the only thing fighting back. Even DeSantis supports this.

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Oh wow. Someone I think would make for an excellent President supports something, then I too must support it. Must not go against my chosen leader.

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Don't worry, we all know you march in high stepping lockstep!

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I'm just impressed you took the time away from goal tending for Trump and Boebert to take a lame swipe at me.

Who takes the role now?

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aggie93 said:

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FireAg said:

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C@LAg said:

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FireAg said:

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Not going to derail this thread...but many of you hear what you want to hear, and you don't listen to what some people are actually saying...

That's one of the biggest issues in American society today...

You assume before you listen...

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I'm just making sure people know that the reason we have McCarthy is Trump and thus this is a Trump v DeSantis issue. DeSantis has never supported McCarthy going back to his days in the House when he was fighting with McCarthy and Ryan.

You seem to be trying to make this argument that you support DeSantis but this isn't about Trump and somehow people that support DeSantis are in the wrong for bringing it up. As a DeSantis supporter you also bring up every negative poll you can find on DeSantis and talk about how hopeless everything is for him often. You agreeing with DeSantis here is one of the few times I have seen you post positively about DeSantis but even then you are making sure to point out this has nothing to do with him and Trump even though their opinions are on opposite sides.

To me I see Trump as a big source of these problems because he endorsed folks like Romney, McDaniel, Graham, McCarthy, and Ryan and his only real concern isn't about their performance but what they say about him personally. DeSantis is all about policy and results. Yet it seems most people can't see that contrast and I think it is important to point it out to them over and over until hopefully they open their eyes.

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no, this is 100% solely all about gaetz and his play for relevancy.

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Gaetz is controlled by Trump. This is all a game to play both sides.

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That's a very bold comment passed along as fact...please back this up with evidence...

McCarthy was endorsed by Trump, and McCarthy speaks glowingly of the former POTUS...

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Have you ever actually listened to Gaetz? I mean the guy practically lives at MAL and wears MAGA hats everywhere he goes while worshiping the ground Trump walks on. If you think he is going against Trump here without being told to do so I don't know what to tell you. Trump's entire strategy is playing both sides and muddying the water so he can be a RINO and get conservatives to think he is on their side. I mean he has done this over and over again on legislation.

There is a 0.0% chance if Trump publicly called out Gaetz and told him to stop that he would not, hell even privately. They are trying to play people. I mean if you had Chip Roy and DeSantis on opposite ends of this issue it would be the same thing but they don't do stuff like this.

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Then let's see that happen...and I will change my tune...

Right now, a limp-wristed RINO who cut a bunch of deals to get elected Speaker after 15 votes failed to live up to his end of the deal, and now he's out... I don't give a damn who supports whom at this point...

He made a deal, and then caved...he's been fired...

And he should have been...I agree with Ron DeSantis...McCarthy never should've been the guy to begin with...

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See what happen? Gaetz and Trump playing both sides? That is literally exactly what happened.

I agree that Trump endorsing McCarthy was a mistake, I also think people will bend over backwards not to blame him and actually find a way to make this into a win for him because of Gaetz.

If you think this was about some noble stand on principles I've got a bridge to sell you. I'm just tired of being played. This is just a dumb fight to have timing wise and if we are.not careful we may end up with something much worse. I'm happy to be rid of Ryan's protege and all I just think this is only going to make things messier the way this is being handled. The Dems are laughing their asses off.

It has to be Jim Jordan. He is knowledgeable, experienced, and tenacious. Leading the impeachment inquiry into trial will be the ultimate leverage.

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FireAg said:

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DeSantis was anti-McCarthy…he said as much…those exact words…

So why again is this a MAGA move when MAGA was against it and DeSantis was for it?

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Because a lot of MAGA supports DeSantis, who has positioned himself to be the Trump without Mean Tweets.

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But all DeSantis supporters on TA say Trump is the anti-Christ and DeSantis is the savior…

You can't have it both ways…

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GeorgiAg said:

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Trump University, Trump Vodka, Trump Steaks, Trump Atlantic City Casinos, MAGA, Trump GOP. This current coup is run by his strongest sycophants. They have no plan for what happens if they succeed, just more stupid and nothing gets done.

Trump is the biggest failure/fraud of all time. We need to make up a new word for extreme failure to apply to anything Trump does.

He may break the USA. We need to send him to Russia so his clumsy ass can break them instead. He is like the Inspector Clouseaus of Presidents.

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"GeorgiAg"

You can't fail anymore than that.

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The hand ringing over bipartinship and losing votes is just slowing down the inevitable. Dems aren't keeping their word anyway so why should Reps work with them. They have shown time and time again to do crazy things to get their way, see fire alarm pull, ect.

Some of us are tired of trying to keep this thing running when half the country doesn't care. Let the Dems get a super majority in the House and Senate and they can pass whatever crazy **** they want. Then voters may actually see Dem policy doesn't improve their lives; just makes it worse and we can finally start over once it all falls in under the weight of dumb Democratic policy.

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HAHAHA....

And now that those laws are passed...they're not getting repealed. THAT'S how the Dems have been winning.

So, your plan is to help them win even more.

Just ****ing brilliant...

He mad.

The GOP establishment is BIG MAD about losing McCarthy as House Speaker 👀👀👀 pic.twitter.com/3Ylwd0jMqL

— Young Americans for Liberty (@YALiberty) October 3, 2023

So for the record, you disagree with DeSantis's position on this? DeSantis is wrong on this?

temper, temper...

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So for the record, you disagree with DeSantis's position on this? DeSantis is wrong on this?

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Ugh.

DeSantis was right. McCarthy was always a terrible choice. He was also right that this is a stunt by Gaetz. None of this has a real plan. We don't know who will replace him. We don't have any real way to know how this is going to address any of the actual issues. We have a very real chance the Dems may just steal the Speakers office. DeSantis laid out a specific list of what we should be focused on and did so in a calm and professional way.

I think we all want real change but simply setting fire to the building and then trying to figure it out later is extremely dangerous. I want real change and progress on policy and I don't see any plan from that out of Gaetz, we have to govern and get things done or else we will lose.

I also think Trump's fence straddling crap only reinforces what a weak leader he is. He has no plan and he's literally out there not commenting on issues or policy or whether or not McCarthy was the right guy or who should replace him. No, his main concern is that we all know he thinks McCarthy is a nice guy who said some nice things about him because that's what matters most.

Man, I'll give Pelosi this - she ruled with an iron fist. She would obliterate any rep who pulled a stunt like Gaetz.

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FireAg said:

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So for the record, you disagree with DeSantis's position on this? DeSantis is wrong on this?

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Ugh.

DeSantis was right. McCarthy was always a terrible choice. He was also right that this is a stunt by Gaetz. None of this has a real plan. We don't know who will replace him. We don't have any real way to know how this is going to address any of the actual issues. We have a very real chance the Dems may just steal the Speakers office. DeSantis laid out a specific list of what we should be focused on and did so in a calm and professional way.

I think we all want real change but simply setting fire to the building and then trying to figure it out later is extremely dangerous. I want real change and progress on policy and I don't see any plan from that out of Gaetz, we have to govern and get things done or else we will lose.

I also think Trump's fence straddling crap only reinforces what a weak leader he is. He has no plan and he's literally out there not commenting on issues or policy or whether or not McCarthy was the right guy or who should replace him. No, his main concern is that we all know he thinks McCarthy is a nice guy who said some nice things about him because that's what matters most.

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Minus the DTS paragraph, going to agree with this post.

Gaetz is spit balling.

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aggie93 said:

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FireAg said:

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So for the record, you disagree with DeSantis's position on this? DeSantis is wrong on this?

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Ugh.

DeSantis was right. McCarthy was always a terrible choice. He was also right that this is a stunt by Gaetz. None of this has a real plan. We don't know who will replace him. We don't have any real way to know how this is going to address any of the actual issues. We have a very real chance the Dems may just steal the Speakers office. DeSantis laid out a specific list of what we should be focused on and did so in a calm and professional way.

I think we all want real change but simply setting fire to the building and then trying to figure it out later is extremely dangerous. I want real change and progress on policy and I don't see any plan from that out of Gaetz, we have to govern and get things done or else we will lose.

I also think Trump's fence straddling crap only reinforces what a weak leader he is. He has no plan and he's literally out there not commenting on issues or policy or whether or not McCarthy was the right guy or who should replace him. No, his main concern is that we all know he thinks McCarthy is a nice guy who said some nice things about him because that's what matters most.

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Minus the DTS paragraph, going to agree with this post.

Gaetz is spit balling.

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Ok, maybe you can tell me what Trump meant then:

Trump says he doesn’t want to discuss holding McCarthy accountable for a year of failure, because “he said very nice things about me this morning.” Nothing gets in the way of the ego, plebes. pic.twitter.com/TKEGytEJrs

— Steve Deace (@SteveDeaceShow) October 2, 2023

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We are looking at a completely fractured party going forward. What happened today isn't going to benefit anyone except the D's

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Thanks be to MAGA.

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MAGA is the only thing fighting back. Even DeSantis supports this.

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Oh wow. Someone I think would make for an excellent President supports something, then I too must support it. Must not go against my chosen leader.

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Don't worry, we all know you march in high stepping lockstep!

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I'm just impressed you took the time away from goal tending for Trump and Boebert to take a lame swipe at me.

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Your ignorance is showing, I'm a DeSantis supporter, just not a psychosis fanboy.

Nice try comrade.

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FireAg said:

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DeSantis was anti-McCarthy…he said as much…those exact words…

So why again is this a MAGA move when MAGA was against it and DeSantis was for it?

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Because a lot of MAGA supports DeSantis, who has positioned himself to be the Trump without Mean Tweets.

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But all DeSantis supporters on TA say Trump is the anti-Christ and DeSantis is the savior…

You can't have it both ways…

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Only one team's player has likened their candidate's struggles and tribulations to the Passion of the Christ. I'll let you guess as to which team it was.

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FireAg said:

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DeSantis was anti-McCarthy…he said as much…those exact words…

So why again is this a MAGA move when MAGA was against it and DeSantis was for it?

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Because a lot of MAGA supports DeSantis, who has positioned himself to be the Trump without Mean Tweets.

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But all DeSantis supporters on TA say Trump is the anti-Christ and DeSantis is the savior…

You can't have it both ways…

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Only one team's player has likened their candidate's struggles and tribulations to the Passion of the Christ. I'll let you guess as to which team it was.

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Swing and miss again. Stop while you might be batting .095.

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Robert L. Peters said:

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Just because someone said something dies not make it true.

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everything dies. eventually. so it is true.

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Yeah, but you're still here.

*MCCARTHY WON'T RUN FOR SPEAKER AGAIN: PUNCHBOWL

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) October 3, 2023

HOUSE REPUBLICANS will hold a candidate forum next Tuesday and the election for speaker next WEDNESDAY

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) October 3, 2023

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The hand ringing over bipartinship and losing votes is just slowing down the inevitable. Dems aren't keeping their word anyway so why should Reps work with them. They have shown time and time again to do crazy things to get their way, see fire alarm pull, ect.

Some of us are tired of trying to keep this thing running when half the country doesn't care. Let the Dems get a super majority in the House and Senate and they can pass whatever crazy **** they want. Then voters may actually see Dem policy doesn't improve their lives; just makes it worse and we can finally start over once it all falls in under the weight of dumb Democratic policy.

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HAHAHA....

And now that those laws are passed...they're not getting repealed. THAT'S how the Dems have been winning.

So, your plan is to help them win even more.

Just ****ing brilliant...

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This is just cowardly and sad to me. The Dems keep winning because cowards like you rather keep giving up power so that you can live in a less ****ty version of the US instead of trying to fight for a much better one. Democrats have shown they are willing to burn everything down to get what they want and the GOP keeps saying please don't do that here have what you want.

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DeSantis was anti-McCarthy…he said as much…those exact words…

So why again is this a MAGA move when MAGA was against it and DeSantis was for it?

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Because a lot of MAGA supports DeSantis, who has positioned himself to be the Trump without Mean Tweets.

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But all DeSantis supporters on TA say Trump is the anti-Christ and DeSantis is the savior…

You can't have it both ways…

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Only one team's player has likened their candidate's struggles and tribulations to the Passion of the Christ. I'll let you guess as to which team it was.

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Swing and miss again. Stop while you might be batting .095.

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Since you're obviously old I'll excuse your failing memory. Now scurry along, I'm sure there's something to watch on FoxNews.

Just noticed Paul Ryan is sitting two rows behind me on a flight right now.

Thinking of some ironic thing to say to him. Suggestions welcome.

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Stive said:

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I predict McCarthy will survive.

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This aged well!

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He meant as long as McCarthy knows how to love, he knows he'll be alive.

JUST IN - Congressman Troy Nehls nominate Donald Trump for Speaker of the House

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) October 3, 2023

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So now instead of governing and solving the budget, the Rs will spend another 2 weeks on speaker votes and more infighting within the party.

Dude got ousted for working with the senate. And people wonder why Ds win elections. Rs cant get out of their own way.

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"solving the budget", how would that happen with the Democrat Senate and Whitehouse? You do know how the process works right?

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It's called working across the aisle when one party does not control all three branches...

Hell McCarthy already did that in June.

I endorse bipartisanship.

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There is no isle to work across anymore, only an ocean. Anyone who wants to negotiate with the left is a no go.

The left doesn't give an inch and it's far past time the right quit trying. Incremental compromises by the right is how we've gotten where we are in this screwed up society and government.

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THIS…

Unfortunately, no…we are getting to the point that it is time to light the matches…

Y'all get that Biden gets to sign your bills into law or veto them with a Democratic Senate signing off on the wishes, right? Perhaps you can explain it to me like I'm 5 how the 8 super patriots are going to get all the stuff that they want done.