FireAg said:

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Logos Stick said:

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They are convinced that this is a Trump led revolt. Gaetz is simply a tool.

Orange Mind Virus is real.

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Which makes zero sense because Trump endorsed and supports McCarthy...DeSantis stands in contrast...

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I don't understand why Trump would suddenly start endorsing McCarthy since Trump wanted the gov't to shutdown if the MAGA representatives didn't get what they wanted.

Faustus said:

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will25u said:

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10 Republicans who voted against Speaker McCarthy:

Biggs
Buck
Burchett
Crane
Davidson
Gaetz
Good
Mace
Rosendale
Spartz

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) October 3, 2023

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So 10 or so Republicans and all 200 plus Dems were able to torpedo the House Bill and oust the Speaker.

But it's the 200 Rs who are RINOs and the other 10 voting with the Dems are the true conservatives.

Fun stuff.

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A large portion of the GOP talks a great conservative game, but lacks the motivation or care to actually enact it.

I don't know if true, but it sure appears like they enjoy playing footsy with the Democrats hence the growing endorsement from the populace that the GOP enjoys being in the minority and gets little done with in the majority.

The better analogy you should be making is that:
* 200 R's want to keep the status quo,
* 10 R's want to make the GOP start enacting conservative policy or at a minimum not concede as much.
* and the 200 D's want to watch the GOP implode because they know a large portion of the 200 R's are in support of the establishment.

The best way out of this is to use the D's over-confidence against them and oust McCarthy and put a better conservative leader in his place. The D's assume that won't happen and they are likely right based on the amount of bending over backwards the "conservatives" do to support McCarthy and blame Gaetz.

I'm confused - for the vote happening now, is a Yay vote to keep McCarthy or get rid of him? Seems like Fox has said if both ways.

who is this "better conservative" that is going to take over as Speaker after McCarthy is kicked out?

FireAg said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Conservatives have been infected with TDS.

It's sad to see what they have become.

The Orange has broken even some of my fellow conservatives.

LOL

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The TDS is those who blindly support a non conservative blowhard who is pushing 80 as if he deserves or is entitled to be POTUS.

Actual conservatives don't want a liberal like him to represent the GOP.

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Again, what does any of that have to do with Gaetz v McCarthy? Nothing...

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Tell that to Logo troll who brought it up.

Biggs
Buck
Burchett
Crane
Davidson
Gaetz
Good
Mace
Rosendale
Spartz

So these patriots did not want to negotiate before McCarthy. They put up a historical fight. They won their battle and told McCarthy when this current time comes and you negotiate then you will be ousted. This time is here and McCarthy negotiated. TELL ME WHY this is a surprise? This is healthy. Democrats oust their own essentially. It is time to vote in someone that will stand up for tying a crazy alberto on the purse strings.

Crazy Alberto = braid to fluro carbon knot

LMCane said:

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who is this "better conservative" that is going to take over as Speaker after McCarthy is kicked out?

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The beauty of the system is that we can do this until we find the right one.

Never underestimate the ability of the Rep party to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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LMCane said:

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who is this "better conservative" that is going to take over as Speaker after McCarthy is kicked out?

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The beauty of the system is that we can do this until we find the right one.

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Or, you know, the liberal Rs hand Jeffries the gavel in a powersharing agreement.

It will be hysterical if we end up with a Democrat lead House.

I could see these numbnuts ****ing it up enough for a Dem speaker to happen.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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LMCane said:

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who is this "better conservative" that is going to take over as Speaker after McCarthy is kicked out?

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The beauty of the system is that we can do this until we find the right one.

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You really think in the end Gaetz or one of his merry band of kamikazes is going to get elected speaker?

Well, the Democrats might all vote for one of them just to help them burn the place down.

Faustus said:

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will25u said:

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10 Republicans who voted against Speaker McCarthy:

Biggs
Buck
Burchett
Crane
Davidson
Gaetz
Good
Mace
Rosendale
Spartz

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) October 3, 2023

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So 10 or so Republicans and all 200 plus Dems were able to torpedo the House Bill and oust the Speaker.

But it's the 200 Rs who are RINOs and the other 10 voting with the Dems are the true conservatives.

Fun stuff.

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Try a little harder.

FireAg said:

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Not going to derail this thread...but many of you hear what you want to hear, and you don't listen to what some people are actually saying...

That's one of the biggest issues in American society today...

You assume before you listen...

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I'm just making sure people know that the reason we have McCarthy is Trump and thus this is a Trump v DeSantis issue. DeSantis has never supported McCarthy going back to his days in the House when he was fighting with McCarthy and Ryan.

You seem to be trying to make this argument that you support DeSantis but this isn't about Trump and somehow people that support DeSantis are in the wrong for bringing it up. As a DeSantis supporter you also bring up every negative poll you can find on DeSantis and talk about how hopeless everything is for him often. You agreeing with DeSantis here is one of the few times I have seen you post positively about DeSantis but even then you are making sure to point out this has nothing to do with him and Trump even though their opinions are on opposite sides.

To me I see Trump as a big source of these problems because he endorsed folks like Romney, McDaniel, Graham, McCarthy, and Ryan and his only real concern isn't about their performance but what they say about him personally. DeSantis is all about policy and results. Yet it seems most people can't see that contrast and I think it is important to point it out to them over and over until hopefully they open their eyes.

Ags77 said:

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Never underestimate the ability of the Rep party to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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Kinda hard to do that when there was no victory to snatch defeat from.

aggie93 said:

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FireAg said:

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Not going to derail this thread...but many of you hear what you want to hear, and you don't listen to what some people are actually saying...

That's one of the biggest issues in American society today...

You assume before you listen...

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I'm just making sure people know that the reason we have McCarthy is Trump and thus this is a Trump v DeSantis issue. DeSantis has never supported McCarthy going back to his days in the House when he was fighting with McCarthy and Ryan.

You seem to be trying to make this argument that you support DeSantis but this isn't about Trump and somehow people that support DeSantis are in the wrong for bringing it up. As a DeSantis supporter you also bring up every negative poll you can find on DeSantis and talk about how hopeless everything is for him often. You agreeing with DeSantis here is one of the few times I have seen you post positively about DeSantis but even then you are making sure to point out this has nothing to do with him and Trump even though their opinions are on opposite sides.

To me I see Trump as a big source of these problems because he endorsed folks like Romney, McDaniel, Graham, McCarthy, and Ryan and his only real concern isn't about their performance but what they say about him personally. DeSantis is all about policy and results. Yet it seems most people can't see that contrast and I think it is important to point it out to them over and over until hopefully they open their eyes.

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no, this is 100% solely all about gaetz and his play for relevancy.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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Faustus said:

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will25u said:

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10 Republicans who voted against Speaker McCarthy:

Biggs
Buck
Burchett
Crane
Davidson
Gaetz
Good
Mace
Rosendale
Spartz

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) October 3, 2023

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So 10 or so Republicans and all 200 plus Dems were able to torpedo the House Bill and oust the Speaker.

But it's the 200 Rs who are RINOs and the other 10 voting with the Dems are the true conservatives.

Fun stuff.

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Try a little harder.

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Feel free to actually attempt to refute his point.

Rapier108 said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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LMCane said:

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who is this "better conservative" that is going to take over as Speaker after McCarthy is kicked out?

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The beauty of the system is that we can do this until we find the right one.

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You really think in the end Gaetz or one of his merry band of kamikazes is going to get elected speaker?

Well, the Democrats might all vote for one of them just to help them burn the place down.

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All we know is McCarthy isn't it. I know what's been done in the past doesn't work and I'm glad somebody else in congress (Gaetz) displayed some semblance of courage to disrupt business as usual. Expecting a magic bullet is child's play, but this is a start.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Faustus said:

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will25u said:

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10 Republicans who voted against Speaker McCarthy:

Biggs
Buck
Burchett
Crane
Davidson
Gaetz
Good
Mace
Rosendale
Spartz

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) October 3, 2023

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So 10 or so Republicans and all 200 plus Dems were able to torpedo the House Bill and oust the Speaker.

But it's the 200 Rs who are RINOs and the other 10 voting with the Dems are the true conservatives.

Fun stuff.

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Try a little harder.

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Feel free to actually attempt to refute his point.

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Feel freer to never respond to anything I post. You're the worst in the bunch.

aggie93 said:

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FireAg said:

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Not going to derail this thread...but many of you hear what you want to hear, and you don't listen to what some people are actually saying...

That's one of the biggest issues in American society today...

You assume before you listen...

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I'm just making sure people know that the reason we have McCarthy is Trump and thus this is a Trump v DeSantis issue. DeSantis has never supported McCarthy going back to his days in the House when he was fighting with McCarthy and Ryan.

You seem to be trying to make this argument that you support DeSantis but this isn't about Trump and somehow people that support DeSantis are in the wrong for bringing it up. As a DeSantis supporter you also bring up every negative poll you can find on DeSantis and talk about how hopeless everything is for him often. You agreeing with DeSantis here is one of the few times I have seen you post positively about DeSantis but even then you are making sure to point out this has nothing to do with him and Trump even though their opinions are on opposite sides.

To me I see Trump as a big source of these problems because he endorsed folks like Romney, McDaniel, Graham, McCarthy, and Ryan and his only real concern isn't about their performance but what they say about him personally. DeSantis is all about policy and results. Yet it seems most people can't see that contrast and I think it is important to point it out to them over and over until hopefully they open their eyes.

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People who openly support DeSantis and mock anyone and everyone who says even one thing positive about the former president, are on here endorsing McCarthy and condemning Gaetz...

DeSantis is anti-McCarthy, and so am I...

LMCane said:

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who is this "better conservative" that is going to take over as Speaker after McCarthy is kicked out?

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If you honestly do not believe there are better conservative options than McCarthy at this point, then this conversation is futile.

McCarthy types are keeping the status quo of drifting left in the long run. There are options that do not cause a leftward drift and the GOP supposedly seeks them out as stated in the GOP platform, but their action is not indicative they are honest. Thus the vote today to break the status quo.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Faustus said:

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will25u said:

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10 Republicans who voted against Speaker McCarthy:

Biggs
Buck
Burchett
Crane
Davidson
Gaetz
Good
Mace
Rosendale
Spartz

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) October 3, 2023

---

So 10 or so Republicans and all 200 plus Dems were able to torpedo the House Bill and oust the Speaker.

But it's the 200 Rs who are RINOs and the other 10 voting with the Dems are the true conservatives.

Fun stuff.

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Try a little harder.

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Feel free to actually attempt to refute his point.

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Feel freer to never respond to anything I post. You're the worst in the bunch.

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Weatherman is another good example of when to use the 'ignore' feature...

You should try it...

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Logos Stick said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Logos Stick said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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notex said:

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Someone with a spine needs to be saying these kinds of things. It's ridiculous we can't just appropriate funds normally like a regular congress could as recently as when Obama was president. Democrats insist on all or nothing.

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Great. Then what? What does Gaetz do when he finally catches the car and McCarthy is out? (mostly thanks to the dems btw)

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What does McCarthy do if not ousted?

Oh yeah, pass a new CR at current spending rates until the next election.

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Whoever takes over will do the exact same thing (and at least initially, will be hand picked by McCarthy). It's the reality of not having a large majority in the house and not having the senate or White House. This is all pointless theatrics.

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Then its all pointless. Let the Dems have what they want and go home.

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Every single dem voted against Friday's bill. None of them wanted it, yet Gaetz voted with them.

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Ok, it's obvious you don't understand the process. Why don't you start there and then come back. It's been explained to you several times and you keep plugging your ears and screaming "nah nah nah nah..."

FireAg said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Faustus said:

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will25u said:

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10 Republicans who voted against Speaker McCarthy:

Biggs
Buck
Burchett
Crane
Davidson
Gaetz
Good
Mace
Rosendale
Spartz

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) October 3, 2023

---

So 10 or so Republicans and all 200 plus Dems were able to torpedo the House Bill and oust the Speaker.

But it's the 200 Rs who are RINOs and the other 10 voting with the Dems are the true conservatives.

Fun stuff.

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Try a little harder.

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Feel free to actually attempt to refute his point.

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Feel freer to never respond to anything I post. You're the worst in the bunch.

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Weatherman is another good example of when to use the 'ignore' feature...

You should try it...

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I should buy a star.

Tea Party said:

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Faustus said:

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will25u said:

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10 Republicans who voted against Speaker McCarthy:

Biggs
Buck
Burchett
Crane
Davidson
Gaetz
Good
Mace
Rosendale
Spartz

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) October 3, 2023

---

So 10 or so Republicans and all 200 plus Dems were able to torpedo the House Bill and oust the Speaker.

But it's the 200 Rs who are RINOs and the other 10 voting with the Dems are the true conservatives.

Fun stuff.

---

A large portion of the GOP talks a great conservative game, but lacks the motivation or care to actually enact it.

I don't know if true, but it sure appears like they enjoy playing footsy with the Democrats hence the growing endorsement from the populace that the GOP enjoys being in the minority and gets little done with in the majority.

The better analogy you should be making is that:
* 200 R's want to keep the status quo,
* 10 R's want to make the GOP start enacting conservative policy or at a minimum not concede as much.
* and the 200 D's want to watch the GOP implode because they know a large portion of the 200 R's are in support of the establishment.

The best way out of this is to use the D's over-confidence against them and oust McCarthy and put a better conservative leader in his place. The D's assume that won't happen and they are likely right based on the amount of bending over backwards the "conservatives" do to support McCarthy and blame Gaetz.

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We already had that battle. We didn't win enough seats to get a true conservative Speaker so McCarthy was the compromise. The time to fight that was then and some did and got some concessions. In the end though if you seriously think getting rid of McCarthy over this bill is smart you just aren't being very objective. It's horrific strategy and it could easily backfire. The odds are better we end up with a Dem Speaker than we get a real conservative pulling this stunt.

The day Trump decided to back McCarthy during the Speaker race this was all moot, he cut his own deal and sold out conservatives. Did the same thing with McDaniel and is doing the same thing with Graham.

Jordan is the obvious choice, but his committee chairmanship is just too dang valuable...

FireAg said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Faustus said:

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will25u said:

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10 Republicans who voted against Speaker McCarthy:

Biggs
Buck
Burchett
Crane
Davidson
Gaetz
Good
Mace
Rosendale
Spartz

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) October 3, 2023

---

So 10 or so Republicans and all 200 plus Dems were able to torpedo the House Bill and oust the Speaker.

But it's the 200 Rs who are RINOs and the other 10 voting with the Dems are the true conservatives.

Fun stuff.

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Try a little harder.

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Feel free to actually attempt to refute his point.

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Feel freer to never respond to anything I post. You're the worst in the bunch.

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Weatherman is another good example of when to use the 'ignore' feature...

You should try it...

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Despite pretending to be neutral, like most Trump lemmings, FireAg needs his safe space.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Faustus said:

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will25u said:

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10 Republicans who voted against Speaker McCarthy:

Biggs
Buck
Burchett
Crane
Davidson
Gaetz
Good
Mace
Rosendale
Spartz

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) October 3, 2023

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So 10 or so Republicans and all 200 plus Dems were able to torpedo the House Bill and oust the Speaker.

But it's the 200 Rs who are RINOs and the other 10 voting with the Dems are the true conservatives.

Fun stuff.

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Try a little harder.

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Feel free to actually attempt to refute his point.

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Feel freer to never respond to anything I post. You're the worst in the bunch.

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And you have no argument. Thanks for clarifying.

FireAg said:

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aggie93 said:

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FireAg said:

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Not going to derail this thread...but many of you hear what you want to hear, and you don't listen to what some people are actually saying...

That's one of the biggest issues in American society today...

You assume before you listen...

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I'm just making sure people know that the reason we have McCarthy is Trump and thus this is a Trump v DeSantis issue. DeSantis has never supported McCarthy going back to his days in the House when he was fighting with McCarthy and Ryan.

You seem to be trying to make this argument that you support DeSantis but this isn't about Trump and somehow people that support DeSantis are in the wrong for bringing it up. As a DeSantis supporter you also bring up every negative poll you can find on DeSantis and talk about how hopeless everything is for him often. You agreeing with DeSantis here is one of the few times I have seen you post positively about DeSantis but even then you are making sure to point out this has nothing to do with him and Trump even though their opinions are on opposite sides.

To me I see Trump as a big source of these problems because he endorsed folks like Romney, McDaniel, Graham, McCarthy, and Ryan and his only real concern isn't about their performance but what they say about him personally. DeSantis is all about policy and results. Yet it seems most people can't see that contrast and I think it is important to point it out to them over and over until hopefully they open their eyes.

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People who openly support DeSantis and mock anyone and everyone who says even one thing positive about the former president, are on here endorsing McCarthy and condemning Gaetz...

DeSantis is anti-McCarthy, and so am I...

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Gaetz is pulling a stunt, he has no plan. This battle happened last year and Trump got on the McCarthy train early and crushed any real chance of it not being McCarthy. He was even calling into the House on MTG's phone trying to whip votes for McCarthy.

Trump and Gaetz deserve all the crap they get for playing both sides of the debate and trying to point the finger at everyone else.

The problem is the caucus, as a whole, of GOP Reps is not actually conservative. Maybe a fifth or a third are, but then there are moderates and then swamp critters in reddish districts who made there way to DC at various points and just want to get along/make their paychecks.

Michael Burgess is my rep, for instance, and while I'd put him closer to 'actual conservative' by votes I suspect he is…anything but a real leader seeking to push this into real budget cuts. He hasn't even issued a 'related statement' on the budget since 2019.

I'm sorry but if McCarthy survives here, will he have enough support to be effective going forward? Or is he essentially mortally wounded either way?

aggie93 said:

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Tea Party said:

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Faustus said:

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will25u said:

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10 Republicans who voted against Speaker McCarthy:

Biggs
Buck
Burchett
Crane
Davidson
Gaetz
Good
Mace
Rosendale
Spartz

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) October 3, 2023

---

So 10 or so Republicans and all 200 plus Dems were able to torpedo the House Bill and oust the Speaker.

But it's the 200 Rs who are RINOs and the other 10 voting with the Dems are the true conservatives.

Fun stuff.

---

A large portion of the GOP talks a great conservative game, but lacks the motivation or care to actually enact it.

I don't know if true, but it sure appears like they enjoy playing footsy with the Democrats hence the growing endorsement from the populace that the GOP enjoys being in the minority and gets little done with in the majority.

The better analogy you should be making is that:
* 200 R's want to keep the status quo,
* 10 R's want to make the GOP start enacting conservative policy or at a minimum not concede as much.
* and the 200 D's want to watch the GOP implode because they know a large portion of the 200 R's are in support of the establishment.

The best way out of this is to use the D's over-confidence against them and oust McCarthy and put a better conservative leader in his place. The D's assume that won't happen and they are likely right based on the amount of bending over backwards the "conservatives" do to support McCarthy and blame Gaetz.

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We already had that battle. We didn't win enough seats to get a true conservative Speaker so McCarthy was the compromise. The time to fight that was then and some did and got some concessions. In the end though if you seriously think getting rid of McCarthy over this bill is smart you just aren't being very objective. It's horrific strategy and it could easily backfire. The odds are better we end up with a Dem Speaker than we get a real conservative pulling this stunt.

The day Trump decided to back McCarthy during the Speaker race this was all moot, he cut his own deal and sold out conservatives. Did the same thing with McDaniel and is doing the same thing with Graham.

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McCarthy was the compromise because the ~200 R's are ok being the submissive half of the establishment, or they were falsely led that McCarthy was actually going to lead conservative policy as promised.

Ousting McCarthy is the small minorty of the GOP that cares for accountability and either enacting conservative ideology or at worst not conceding to the left. Just because the establishment won last time with McCarthy does not mean we just give up caring about enacting conservative policy.

Quote:

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Single issue appropriations bills going forward.

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This.

"We want 5,000,000,000,000 for climate change" now vote on it.

I believe a YEA vote is to oust McCarthy. That's why the demorats are voting yea.