yeah, it's theatrics. bussing a few thousand of over 7 million is supposed to send a message to sanctuary cities who vote for this and think they're immune to any consequences of what they asked for. But it can't be more than theatrics because it's only a tiny fraction of a taste of what they're subjecting the rest of the country to. If the theatrics work, it'll get big liberal city mayors complaining about the wide open border policies of the Biden admin. Oh wait.ApolloAg said:
That is why they're doing the border theatrics like razor wire and bussing immigrants deeper into the country.
Open borders and illegal immigration are Republican policies
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It favors the donor/managerial class of both parties. Democrats sell it to their base with equality and inclusion dogma and Republicans justify it with free market capitalism dogma and fake opposition. That's why the parties work toward the same policy behind closed doors, and put on a WWF wrestling match in public.
Why do folks assume that everyone who crosses that border (illegally or "seeking asylum") really wants to become a tiny American flag waving citizen? Half our problem can be eliminated by creating a much easier work visa program. Construction in Wisconsin during the summer, El Salvador in the winter…….
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
I think in poker they refer to this as the tell.Old May Banker said:I notice you intentionally left out the word "illegal"Quote:
Conservatives can't effectively articulate why they oppose immigration either.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
richardag said:I think in poker they refer to this as the tell.Old May Banker said:I notice you intentionally left out the word "illegal"Quote:
Conservatives can't effectively articulate why they oppose immigration either.
Literally mentioned both illegal and mass immigration in the previous sentence. The only "tell" here is you building a straw man to distract from the larger point being made. At best you're careless, at worst you're subversive.
oh no said:yeah, it's theatrics. bussing a few thousand of over 7 million is supposed to send a message to sanctuary cities who vote for this and think they're immune to any consequences of what they asked for. But it can't be more than theatrics because it's only a tiny fraction of a taste of what they're subjecting the rest of the country to. If the theatrics work, it'll get big liberal city mayors complaining about the wide open border policies of the Biden admin. Oh wait.ApolloAg said:
That is why they're doing the border theatrics like razor wire and bussing immigrants deeper into the country.
So… "trust the plan"?
Nm
Anyone citing Bernie Sanders loses all credibility. He was/is/continues to want to be considered a true believer in Communism yet his actions belie this as he rely is a grifter for his own selfishness interests.ApolloAg said:
Conservatives lie to themselvesby blaming Joe Biden and the left for open borders and unchecked illegal immigration.
- You begin with total bull****
- Often conservatives do not equal Republicans (RINOs)
The fact is, Republican donors want illegal immigration,
- illegal border crossings are at record highs, you may want to ask yourself which political party is in control of the government
which is why Governor Hotwheels does nothing about it except token gestures like putting up razor wire to pacify his gullible populist base. Same with Trump and his failed "wall".
- Again with the bull**** argument, for the most part Republicans want legal immigration.
"Right wing" think tanks like the Cato Institute openly support mass immigration. Cheap labor is good for business, and business makes up the donor class. That's why Republican leadership continues to do nothing about the border beyond theatrics, even though the majority of their constituents hate illegal immigration and mass immigration in general.
- Again with the bull****
- The wall was only part of the solution and in those areas was quite effective
- It was other policies that reduced illegal immigration
- The large caravans were a direct result of fear generated throughout Central America and the Caribbean a Republican President would close the border, weren't you listening to the people marching here, because that was what they were saying.
Conservatives can't effectively articulate why they oppose immigration either. They point to things like crime, but that's an easy point to defeat because statistically "immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens". They are also statistically "more likely to be come entrepeneurs".
- The Cato Institute objects to calling the illegal immigration as an invasion by comparing it to a military invasion so you are conflating its message
- The Cato Institute advocates for the overhaul of immigration law and waxes nostalgically about the early U.S. and the building of of country in the early years.
- The Cato Institute has stated,"However, our current immigration system excludes most peaceful and healthy immigrants."
- The Cato Institute is for legal Immigrantion.
The problem is that conservatives won't talk about race, and they won't talk about labor.
- Again with the bull****
- Conservatives are not nor have ever been against legal immigration
If they could talk about race, they might say they want to preserve a White majority and broadly European culture. They might say they want their neighbors to look and think like they do, and feel connected by natural ethnic bonds. They could say that immigrants only commit less crime than US-born citizens if you don't include blacks in those crime statistics. The Civil Rights movement, along with a wave of BLM terror, has cowed Whites.Conservatives also get the labor issue wrong, because of free market capitalism dogma. Immigrants are used to break the collective bargaining power held by White, blue collar laborers. Even Bernie Sanders can get this issue right. But Conservatives swoon over immigrant "entrepreneurs" and "hard workers" and embrace this "hustle culture" crap. Hustle culture is ghetto culture. The flood of cheap labor steals jobs from young Americans. And yes, they would do those jobs if the wages weren't depressed by immigrant scabs.
- More bull****
- Conservatives and most Republicans are for equal treatment under the law regardless of race creed or religion
If Whites and our allies are going to survive and remain a free and prosperous people in the next 100 years, then Conservativism needs to die a quick death. Stop falling for the lies Republican officials are telling you about wanting to protect the border. The blame lies with them. Time to hold them accountable.
- Wrong again as I stated above both the Cato Institute and conservatives are for legal immigration
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
I always love this loony argument:
Why won't you answer the question as to why every CBP agent I know wants the walls and favors Republican administrations? What do your friends and family in CBP say?
When you let 5 million cross the border, "statistically" less doesn't really make the point you want due to sheer volume. Now, throw in the ones who aren't "encountered" by CBP (because certain coyotes know when and how to avoid them during this Biden induced chaos), and it does add up.Quote:
Conservatives can't effectively articulate why they oppose immigration either. They point to things like crime, but that's an easy point to defeat because statistically "immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens".
Why won't you answer the question as to why every CBP agent I know wants the walls and favors Republican administrations? What do your friends and family in CBP say?
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
Who is the President? End of thread. We will blame the next president as well if he does not do his job. Also, we oppose ILLEGAL immigration and that includes those claiming "asylum" to game the system.ApolloAg said:
Conservatives lie to themselves by blaming Joe Biden
I believe that the Dem Party has made a deal with the Mexican Cartels. The Dems throw open the border on day one of Brandons Presidency and the Cartels get to run illegals, sex slaves, drugs, etc. through the border unimpeded. The Dems then get a nice cut of the profits while also destroying the country and our society. Everyone Wins except the American Middle Class.,
Thank you for responding in a serious way.
To respond to your main points:
Agree. In large part, that's my point: that RINOs are more of a hindrance to fixing the border crisis than the left, because they pretend to be on our side. Republicans had control of the House and Senate in 2016, but would not authorize funds for Trump's wall, for example.
I'll concede that Trump was genuinely trying to solve the border crisis, with the wall, and other policies. But it was ineffective because the Republican Party would not cooperate. And further, the standard conservative ideology is too ****ed to the liberal framing of political issues to be rhetorically effective. More on that in a bit...
But all mass immigration is a problem whether it's legal or not. There are billions of third world "asylum seekers" that would legally qualify to enter the country. The recent wave of 500,000 Venezuelans can be made "legal" by Biden's "temporary" worker visa program. What is the difference if it's "legal" or not?
I'm against all forms of mass immigration, legal or not, and think we should pause even high skilled immigration until there is a clear understanding and plan in place to guarantee that White Americans will remain prosperous and remain a demographic majority.
The country will cease to function as a first world nation if mass immigration continues. Even worse, as Whites become a global minority and a minority in all countries around the world, there is a serious risk of genocide occurring, especially when coupled with the incitement of racial hatred against Whites that we've seen over the past few decades.
You don't seem to understand the scope of the threat. The demographic shift that is occurring is massive, and has rarely occurred in the history of the planet. We are only seeing the beginning of an exponentially increasing trend. If it continues, then your grandchildren will become slaves or worse.
This is suicide. That's precisely what you fail to understand, and that's precisely why any racially conscious White person must abandon conservatism.
To respond to your main points:
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- conservatives do not equal Republicans (RINOs)
Agree. In large part, that's my point: that RINOs are more of a hindrance to fixing the border crisis than the left, because they pretend to be on our side. Republicans had control of the House and Senate in 2016, but would not authorize funds for Trump's wall, for example.
Quote:
- The wall...
I'll concede that Trump was genuinely trying to solve the border crisis, with the wall, and other policies. But it was ineffective because the Republican Party would not cooperate. And further, the standard conservative ideology is too ****ed to the liberal framing of political issues to be rhetorically effective. More on that in a bit...
Quote:
- The Cato Institute is for legal immigration
But all mass immigration is a problem whether it's legal or not. There are billions of third world "asylum seekers" that would legally qualify to enter the country. The recent wave of 500,000 Venezuelans can be made "legal" by Biden's "temporary" worker visa program. What is the difference if it's "legal" or not?
I'm against all forms of mass immigration, legal or not, and think we should pause even high skilled immigration until there is a clear understanding and plan in place to guarantee that White Americans will remain prosperous and remain a demographic majority.
The country will cease to function as a first world nation if mass immigration continues. Even worse, as Whites become a global minority and a minority in all countries around the world, there is a serious risk of genocide occurring, especially when coupled with the incitement of racial hatred against Whites that we've seen over the past few decades.
You don't seem to understand the scope of the threat. The demographic shift that is occurring is massive, and has rarely occurred in the history of the planet. We are only seeing the beginning of an exponentially increasing trend. If it continues, then your grandchildren will become slaves or worse.
Quote:
- Conservatives and most Republicans are for equal treatment under the law regardless of race creed or religion
This is suicide. That's precisely what you fail to understand, and that's precisely why any racially conscious White person must abandon conservatism.
The CBP preferring Republicans to Democrats is like preferring slow acting poison to cyanide. That's not the point, though. I'll make a new thread later with simpler, more focused points that will be easier to discuss.
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"You conservatives are wrong about everything, but I don't offer a single solution that doesn't involve govt taking away your freedom, your money, or both"
-The bernie bro
-The bernie bro
Republicans wouldn't cooperate? I think you need to check the receipts. Democrats were blocking everything through any means possible. Legislation, lawsuits, everything they could do to block building the wall.ApolloAg said:
I'll concede that Trump was genuinely trying to solve the border crisis, with the wall, and other policies. But it was ineffective because the Republican Party would not cooperate. And further, the standard conservative ideology is too ****ed to the liberal framing of political issues to be rhetorically effective. More on that in a bit...Quote:
- Conservatives and most Republicans are for equal treatment under the law regardless of race creed or religion
This is suicide. That's precisely what you fail to understand, and that's precisely why any racially conscious White person must abandon conservatism.
Equal treatment under the law is suicide, therefore white people should abandon conservatism? That makes zero sense, my man.
Somebody fired up their sock account
goatchze said:
You seem to not know the difference between Conservatism and Libertarianism.
Both are wrong. HTHs
That's a lot of words + a crazy Bernie clip to say...ApolloAg said:
Conservatives lie to themselves by blaming Joe Biden and the left for open borders and unchecked illegal immigration. The fact is, Republican donors want illegal immigration, which is why Governor Hotwheels does nothing about it except token gestures like putting up razor wire to pacify his gullible populist base. Same with Trump and his failed "wall".
"Right wing" think tanks like the Cato Institute openly support mass immigration. Cheap labor is good for business, and business makes up the donor class. That's why Republican leadership continues to do nothing about the border beyond theatrics, even though the majority of their constituents hate illegal immigration and mass immigration in general.
Conservatives can't effectively articulate why they oppose immigration either. They point to things like crime, but that's an easy point to defeat because statistically "immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens". They are also statistically "more likely to be come entrepeneurs".
The problem is that conservatives won't talk about race, and they won't talk about labor.
If they could talk about race, they might say they want to preserve a White majority and broadly European culture. They might say they want their neighbors to look and think like they do, and feel connected by natural ethnic bonds. They could say that immigrants only commit less crime than US-born citizens if you don't include blacks in those crime statistics. The Civil Rights movement, along with a wave of BLM terror, has cowed Whites.
Conservatives also get the labor issue wrong, because of free market capitalism dogma. Immigrants are used to break the collective bargaining power held by White, blue collar laborers. Even Bernie Sanders can get this issue right. But Conservatives swoon over immigrant "entrepreneurs" and "hard workers" and embrace this "hustle culture" crap. Hustle culture is ghetto culture. The flood of cheap labor steals jobs from young Americans. And yes, they would do those jobs if the wages weren't depressed by immigrant scabs.
If Whites and our allies are going to survive and remain a free and prosperous people in the next 100 years, then Conservativism needs to die a quick death. Stop falling for the lies Republican officials are telling you about wanting to protect the border. The blame lies with them. Time to hold them accountable.
"Republican bad!!!"
Even the OP doesn't believe what they're saying lol.
At least I don't support the party of segregation, and the klan.
At least I don't support the party of segregation, and the klan.
Anyone who chooses to ride a bicycle in the street is a threat to themselves, and others. If a vehicle strikes you accidentally, YOU are at fault; and the laws of physics supercede all else when you're in the path of a 2 ton killing machine. Know your place, stay off the road.
Sounds like somebody's playing with ChatGPT
I would agree that Republicans haven't done enough to stop immigration.
But I would imagine that has a lot more to do with a fear of being called racist than it does "low paid workers for big business."
Imagine a Republican politician saying something like this:
But I would imagine that has a lot more to do with a fear of being called racist than it does "low paid workers for big business."
Imagine a Republican politician saying something like this:
America's foreign-born population is approaching 50,000,000 for the first time in history under Joe Biden — and it's fueling ALL current population growth.
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) September 26, 2023
You have the Open Borders lobby to thank when...
Your kids go to school with kids who don’t speak English.
A fentanyl… pic.twitter.com/3c46sKgkFz
My wife teaches bilingual in elementary school and her class of 18 kids are nowhere near grade level proficiency. We already have plenty of kids legally here that are not working at grade level proficiency, we don't need more. This is exacerbating the dumbing down of public school education.
The negative impact to our society across the board caused by unfettered illegal immigration is immeasurable.
The negative impact to our society across the board caused by unfettered illegal immigration is immeasurable.
EclipseAg said:
I would agree that Republicans haven't done enough to stop immigration.
Understatement of the year. The US chamber of commerce, who runs the GOP, has been FOR illegal immigration since the 80s.
The GOP doesn't have ANY desire to end it. Except the stupid plebs think they do.
EclipseAg said:
I would agree that Republicans haven't done enough to stop immigration.
But I would imagine that has a lot more to do with a fear of being called racist than it does "low paid workers for big business."
Imagine a Republican politician saying something like this:America's foreign-born population is approaching 50,000,000 for the first time in history under Joe Biden — and it's fueling ALL current population growth.
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) September 26, 2023
You have the Open Borders lobby to thank when...
Your kids go to school with kids who don’t speak English.
A fentanyl… pic.twitter.com/3c46sKgkFz
we do not have to imagine because trump has said it and he is right
"We have people coming into the country or trying to come in, we're stopping a lot of them, but we're taking people out of the country. You wouldn't believe how bad these people are. These aren't people. These are animals."
the raise act that trump supported in his first term would have reduced legal immigration by 50 percent
trump has said that when he win the presidency for the third time that he will enact profiling to include screening for marxist
send the coast guard and the navy to form a blockade if necessary to stop smugglers
expand the muslim ban
designate drug cartels as unlawful enemy combatants
RePORKlicans want cheap workers.
DemocRATS want cheap voters.
Us middle class folks are stuck in the middle.
DemocRATS want cheap voters.
Us middle class folks are stuck in the middle.
TxTarpon said:
RePORKlicans want cheap workers.
DemocRATS want cheap voters.
Us middle class folks are stuck in the middle.
And only the brain dead think this is something new, or that their guy isn't part of the problem. The fact is, this is the same as it's ever been.
I saw the best bumper sticker on a truck the other day that said "Re-elect no one."
If idiots didn't re-elect politicians that have actually changed things, and not just doing things for the likes, this country would be in a much better place.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
Presumably you're making the old "Democrats are the real racists" argument. For one, I never spoke in favor of the left except for saying they had the decency to openly declare themselves an enemy.Pluralizes Everythings said:
At least I don't support the party of segregation, and the klan.
But your statement is exactly what I'm talking about with conservatives being beholden to the liberal framing of issues.
You're trying to win the contest of "being the least racist" while your country is being flooded with immigrants and your children are being made a racial minority in the country their forefathers built. You are worse than the left, because you're not just an enemy, you're a traitor.
There never was a muslim ban.Quote:
expand the muslim ban
It is encouraging that people like Charlie Kirk and Matt Walsh have openly pro-White talking points now, whereas in 2016 they were shutting down the alt-right for saying the exact same things. I'm wary because they have a propensity to co-opt movements into some ineffectual, dead-end path. But we'll see.
in 2018 we had a very rare vote to reduce immigration and these rinos rejected it
Barrasso (R-WY)
Collins (R-ME)
Cruz (R-TX)
Daines (R-MT)
Enzi (R-WY)
Flake (R-AZ)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Kennedy (R-LA)
Lee (R-UT)
Moran (R-KS)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Paul (R-KY)
Sasse (R-NE)
Thune (R-SD)
rinos usually do not allow themselves to be on record with these votes
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1152/vote_115_2_00036.htm#position
Barrasso (R-WY)
Collins (R-ME)
Cruz (R-TX)
Daines (R-MT)
Enzi (R-WY)
Flake (R-AZ)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Kennedy (R-LA)
Lee (R-UT)
Moran (R-KS)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Paul (R-KY)
Sasse (R-NE)
Thune (R-SD)
rinos usually do not allow themselves to be on record with these votes
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1152/vote_115_2_00036.htm#position
The amendment that was rejected called for extension for DACA.
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Republicans wouldn't cooperate?
Yes. Republicans had majorities in the House and Senate in 2016-2017. They blocked Trump's border funding. Then when they lost the House in 2018, Trump tried to pull money out of the DoD budget using his executive powers which got tied up in court. So yes, when the Republican Congress had the legislative power to fund the wall, they refused to do it.
I believe there was a lot of objectionable pork attached to that attempt.
It's funny, Gaslighting appears to be the only policy the Dems have left.
the bill that passed already had the daca extensionakm91 said:
The amendment that was rejected called for extension for DACA.
the amended that was rejected added restrictions to daca but more importantly it reduced the number of legal permanent visas
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