Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Dies Irae said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.

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I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.

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Correct. People generally do not "traffick" in legal things, certainly not at the same level.

Cocaine is more profitable than moonshine.

Prostitution is more profitable than titty dancing which is more profitable than burlesque shows.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Dies Irae said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.

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I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.

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Doubtful. Prostitution of minors would still be illegal thus an incentive for continued human trafficking.

Burdizzo said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Dies Irae said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.

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I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.

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Doubtful. Prostitution of minors would still be illegal thus an incentive for continued human trafficking.

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I guess adults arent sex-trafficked in your world.

GeorgiAg said:

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gbaby23 said:

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Ban pornography at the federal level.

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Your resident CM wants to preserve his spank bank.

Burdizzo said:

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Doubtful. Prostitution of minors would still be illegal thus an incentive for continued human trafficking.

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Going to have to start being able to jail liberal elitist like Bill Gates, Biden and Epstein if you want child sex trafficking to stop.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Dies Irae said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.

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I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.

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Doubtful. Prostitution of minors would still be illegal thus an incentive for continued human trafficking.

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I guess adults arent sex-trafficked in your world.

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I didn't say they weren't, but adults are just one subset of humans. A huge component of prostitution and the human sex trade is fueled by pervy pedos who can't keep their hands off the kinder (in the words of Phil Hartman portraying Frank Sinatra berating Woody Allen).

Burdizzo said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Dies Irae said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.

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I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.

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Doubtful. Prostitution of minors would still be illegal thus an incentive for continued human trafficking.

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I guess adults arent sex-trafficked in your world.

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I didn't say they weren't, but adults are just one subset of humans. A huge component of prostitution and the human sex trade is fueled by pervy pedos who can't keep their hands off the kinder (in the words of Phil Hartman portraying Frank Sinatra berating Woody Allen).

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Of course. But you've help to removed the subset of adults from that equation at least. Let's you focus your energies and funds more efficiently.

Burdizzo said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Dies Irae said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.

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I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.

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Doubtful. Prostitution of minors would still be illegal thus an incentive for continued human trafficking.

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I guess adults arent sex-trafficked in your world.

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I didn't say they weren't, but adults are just one subset of humans. A huge component of prostitution and the human sex trade is fueled by pervy pedos who can't keep their hands off the kinder (in the words of Phil Hartman portraying Frank Sinatra berating Woody Allen).

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So you're agreeing with me then that we should legalize prostitution to help the adult victims of human trafficking.

fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Time for you to add a third category: people involved with anti-trafficking orgs that speak publicly and work on boards. I've said it many times about myself on here, I've been involved in fighting it for years.

Involvement btw, is also how I know that you may think your back page hookups are pretty anonymous but the trafficked girls remember your faces. And we, as orgs, also put up fake ads and log numbers that contact us. Porn is a large driver of this. Defeating easy access will do a lot to help our fight. It's the broken window theory applied to trafficking.

People who aren't addicted to porn don't normally fight to keep it easy to access.

fka ftc said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Dies Irae said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.

---

I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.

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Correct. People generally do not "traffick" in legal things, certainly not at the same level.

Cocaine is more profitable than moonshine.

Prostitution is more profitable than titty dancing which is more profitable than burlesque shows.

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Once again, you know nothing about trafficking. Third world women populate European brothels because they're desperate to escape their lives at home. Organized crime in Spain and Portugal, for instance, identifies women in central and South America and buys the airfare before keeping passports and saddling them with large debts to repay. They do it to the Africans who come over.

The supply of prostitutes has to be created - women don't wake up at age 11 and decide to spend 10 hours a day screwing randos with kinks for the rest of their life. It's not a thing.

IslanderAg04 said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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gbaby23 said:

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Ban pornography at the federal level.

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Your resident CM wants to preserve his spank bank.

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Here comes the Theocracy. GOP is rapidly becoming authoritarian.

AGC said:

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fka ftc said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Dies Irae said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.

---

I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.

---

Correct. People generally do not "traffick" in legal things, certainly not at the same level.

Cocaine is more profitable than moonshine.

Prostitution is more profitable than titty dancing which is more profitable than burlesque shows.

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Once again, you know nothing about trafficking. Third world women populate European brothels because they're desperate to escape their lives at home. Organized crime in Spain and Portugal, for instance, identifies women in central and South America and buys the airfare before keeping passports and saddling them with large debts to repay. They do it to the Africans who come over.

The supply of prostitutes has to be created - women don't wake up at age 11 and decide to spend 10 hours a day screwing randos with kinks for the rest of their life. It's not a thing.

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We're talking about online access to porn here.

Stay focused.

And PLEASE do not go off on the horse ****ing tangent. That was too weird.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Dies Irae said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.

---

I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.

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Doubtful. Prostitution of minors would still be illegal thus an incentive for continued human trafficking.

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I guess adults arent sex-trafficked in your world.

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I didn't say they weren't, but adults are just one subset of humans. A huge component of prostitution and the human sex trade is fueled by pervy pedos who can't keep their hands off the kinder (in the words of Phil Hartman portraying Frank Sinatra berating Woody Allen).

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So you're agreeing with me then that we should legalize prostitution to help the adult victims of human trafficking.

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Again.

Doubtful

AGC said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Time for you to add a third category: people involved with anti-trafficking orgs that speak publicly and work on boards. I've said it many times about myself on here, I've been involved in fighting it for years.

Involvement btw, is also how I know that you may think your back page hookups are pretty anonymous but the trafficked girls remember your faces. And we, as orgs, also put up fake ads and log numbers that contact us. Porn is a large driver of this. Defeating easy access will do a lot to help our fight. It's the broken window theory applied to trafficking.

People who aren't addicted to porn don't normally fight to keep it easy to access.

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And yet broken window policing doesn't make anyone safer while also increasing government intervention and monitoring of the private lives of individuals.

tysker said:

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AGC said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Time for you to add a third category: people involved with anti-trafficking orgs that speak publicly and work on boards. I've said it many times about myself on here, I've been involved in fighting it for years.

Involvement btw, is also how I know that you may think your back page hookups are pretty anonymous but the trafficked girls remember your faces. And we, as orgs, also put up fake ads and log numbers that contact us. Porn is a large driver of this. Defeating easy access will do a lot to help our fight. It's the broken window theory applied to trafficking.

People who aren't addicted to porn don't normally fight to keep it easy to access.

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And yet broken window policing doesn't make anyone safer while also increasing government intervention and monitoring of the private lives of individuals.

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Banning porn isn't the same as the broken window policy of policing.

If you tried to actually equate them, the broken window policy would require banning windows to prevent them from being broken...

tysker said:

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AGC said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Time for you to add a third category: people involved with anti-trafficking orgs that speak publicly and work on boards. I've said it many times about myself on here, I've been involved in fighting it for years.

Involvement btw, is also how I know that you may think your back page hookups are pretty anonymous but the trafficked girls remember your faces. And we, as orgs, also put up fake ads and log numbers that contact us. Porn is a large driver of this. Defeating easy access will do a lot to help our fight. It's the broken window theory applied to trafficking.

People who aren't addicted to porn don't normally fight to keep it easy to access.

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And yet broken window policing doesn't make anyone safer while also increasing government intervention and monitoring of the private lives of individuals.

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Yeah, sure, SF and Portland wouldn't benefit at all from It. I mean look how much NYC sucked under Giuliani, right? Wait, what?

Ag with kids said:

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AGC said:

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fka ftc said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Dies Irae said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

---

Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.

---

I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.

---

Correct. People generally do not "traffick" in legal things, certainly not at the same level.

Cocaine is more profitable than moonshine.

Prostitution is more profitable than titty dancing which is more profitable than burlesque shows.

---

Once again, you know nothing about trafficking. Third world women populate European brothels because they're desperate to escape their lives at home. Organized crime in Spain and Portugal, for instance, identifies women in central and South America and buys the airfare before keeping passports and saddling them with large debts to repay. They do it to the Africans who come over.

The supply of prostitutes has to be created - women don't wake up at age 11 and decide to spend 10 hours a day screwing randos with kinks for the rest of their life. It's not a thing.

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We're talking about online access to porn here.

Stay focused.

And PLEASE do not go off on the horse ****ing tangent. That was too weird.

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You've lost the thread. Porn is linked to trafficking and prostitution, as I already said. It's what Johns consume on their way to buy and want to act out. It's the only commonality they have.

Also porn incentivizes trafficking - traffickers film these women having sex and upload it. Most people (like you) don't even realize that's a lot of what you're watching. Because again, women are groomed or forced into the life.

So decreasing easy access and consumption helps other societal problems. Addressing porn has a multiplicative effect.

AGC said:

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fka ftc said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Dies Irae said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

---

Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.

---

I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.

---

Correct. People generally do not "traffick" in legal things, certainly not at the same level.

Cocaine is more profitable than moonshine.

Prostitution is more profitable than titty dancing which is more profitable than burlesque shows.

---

Once again, you know nothing about trafficking. Third world women populate European brothels because they're desperate to escape their lives at home. Organized crime in Spain and Portugal, for instance, identifies women in central and South America and buys the airfare before keeping passports and saddling them with large debts to repay. They do it to the Africans who come over.

The supply of prostitutes has to be created - women don't wake up at age 11 and decide to spend 10 hours a day screwing randos with kinks for the rest of their life. It's not a thing.

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Why you are focused on outing small fry johns responding to adds on "back page" (aging the discussion a bit), wealthy, connected (and protected) folks are doing 100x the damage that the small actors targeted by foundations such as those you belong to.

Hell, I would posit that such focus actually detracts from the larger problems. Call me when you are ready to go after the big fish and not **** around with the minnows who are "addicted to porn".

In the interim, props to you for doing something. I have contributed to DeliverFund many times over the years as well as similar efforts.

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You've lost the thread. Porn is linked to trafficking and prostitution, as I already said. It's what Johns consume on their way to buy and want to act out. It's the only commonality they have.

Also porn incentivizes trafficking - traffickers film these women having sex and upload it. Most people (like you) don't even realize that's a lot of what you're watching. Because again, women are groomed or forced into the life.

So decreasing easy access and consumption helps other societal problems. Addressing porn has a multiplicative effect.

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You have DERAILED the thread. Please stop. Want to discuss human trafficking, start a new thread.

Online porn is NOT the primary driver of human trafficking. Try again.

You last sentence is utterly naive, which is surprising given your involvement in anti-trafficking. Its an easy attack, but its not the root cause. And it certainly is not the fiscal driver its made out to be.

AGC said:

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tysker said:

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AGC said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Time for you to add a third category: people involved with anti-trafficking orgs that speak publicly and work on boards. I've said it many times about myself on here, I've been involved in fighting it for years.

Involvement btw, is also how I know that you may think your back page hookups are pretty anonymous but the trafficked girls remember your faces. And we, as orgs, also put up fake ads and log numbers that contact us. Porn is a large driver of this. Defeating easy access will do a lot to help our fight. It's the broken window theory applied to trafficking.

People who aren't addicted to porn don't normally fight to keep it easy to access.

---

And yet broken window policing doesn't make anyone safer while also increasing government intervention and monitoring of the private lives of individuals.

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Yeah, sure, SF and Portland wouldn't benefit at all from It. I mean look how much NYC sucked under Giuliani, right? Wait, what?

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I lived in NYC under Giuliani and it did indeed suck for some people that lived in 'broken window' neighborhoods. There were plenty of 4th amendment violations. I would argue the economy, Compstat, and simply hiring more police officers had more to do with the decrease in crime than Giuliani 's policy

fka ftc said:

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AGC said:

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You've lost the thread. Porn is linked to trafficking and prostitution, as I already said. It's what Johns consume on their way to buy and want to act out. It's the only commonality they have.

Also porn incentivizes trafficking - traffickers film these women having sex and upload it. Most people (like you) don't even realize that's a lot of what you're watching. Because again, women are groomed or forced into the life.

So decreasing easy access and consumption helps other societal problems. Addressing porn has a multiplicative effect.

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You have DERAILED the thread. Please stop. Want to discuss human trafficking, start a new thread.

Online porn is NOT the primary driver of human trafficking. Try again.

You last sentence is utterly naive, which is surprising given your involvement in anti-trafficking. Its an easy attack, but its not the root cause. And it certainly is not the fiscal driver its made out to be.

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Strawmanning. I didn't say it was a primary driver or root cause, just that it's the single commonality across all the Johns - watch and seek to act out. Also traffickers make money from your consumption. People can be sold again and again and videos can be reposted endlessly. These are simple facts. They're inherently connected. Decreasing porn consumption changes a lot of the picture in a good way. There are no adverse effects to lost revenues and potentially fewer addicts if kids can't watch it so easily.

AGC said:

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Strawmanning. I didn't say it was a primary driver or root cause, just that it's the single commonality across all the Johns - watch and seek to act out. Also traffickers make money from your consumption. People can be sold again and again and videos can be reposted endlessly. These are simple facts. They're inherently connected. Decreasing porn consumption changes a lot of the picture in a good way. There are no adverse effects to lost revenues and potentially fewer addicts if kids can't watch it so easily.

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End of conversation then.

AGC, this is my first time noticing your username.

Can you help me learn more about what your organization is doing to get Epstein's client list released?

fka ftc said:

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AGC said:

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fka ftc said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Dies Irae said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

---

Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.

---

I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.

---

Correct. People generally do not "traffick" in legal things, certainly not at the same level.

Cocaine is more profitable than moonshine.

Prostitution is more profitable than titty dancing which is more profitable than burlesque shows.

---

Once again, you know nothing about trafficking. Third world women populate European brothels because they're desperate to escape their lives at home. Organized crime in Spain and Portugal, for instance, identifies women in central and South America and buys the airfare before keeping passports and saddling them with large debts to repay. They do it to the Africans who come over.

The supply of prostitutes has to be created - women don't wake up at age 11 and decide to spend 10 hours a day screwing randos with kinks for the rest of their life. It's not a thing.

---

Why you are focused on outing small fry johns responding to adds on "back page" (aging the discussion a bit), wealthy, connected (and protected) folks are doing 100x the damage that the small actors targeted by foundations such as those you belong to.

Hell, I would posit that such focus actually detracts from the larger problems. Call me when you are ready to go after the big fish and not **** around with the minnows who are "addicted to porn".

In the interim, props to you for doing something. I have contributed to DeliverFund many times over the years as well as similar efforts.

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We don't nab Johns. We run those to show demand to support grants and get the attention of the local police force. We use it to bring awareness to the problem. My point is that you're not anonymous.

Our focus was on the victims and getting them out of the life. We bring awareness to at risk youth by going into the system and teaching them how recruiting / grooming is done and offering them support and assistance. The org assisted with prosecution and has several successful convictions under it's belt (edit: of traffickers, not John's).

It'd be really nice if there were more Epsteins out there than small fish but that's not feasible for most local orgs to pursue and not how a lot of it works. There may be multiple guys running by the hotel to check on the girls and keep eyes on them but it's smaller than you think.

tysker said:

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AGC said:

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tysker said:

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AGC said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

---

Time for you to add a third category: people involved with anti-trafficking orgs that speak publicly and work on boards. I've said it many times about myself on here, I've been involved in fighting it for years.

Involvement btw, is also how I know that you may think your back page hookups are pretty anonymous but the trafficked girls remember your faces. And we, as orgs, also put up fake ads and log numbers that contact us. Porn is a large driver of this. Defeating easy access will do a lot to help our fight. It's the broken window theory applied to trafficking.

People who aren't addicted to porn don't normally fight to keep it easy to access.

---

And yet broken window policing doesn't make anyone safer while also increasing government intervention and monitoring of the private lives of individuals.

---

Yeah, sure, SF and Portland wouldn't benefit at all from It. I mean look how much NYC sucked under Giuliani, right? Wait, what?

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I lived in NYC under Giuliani and it did indeed suck for some people that lived in 'broken window' neighborhoods. There were plenty of 4th amendment violations. I would argue the economy, Compstat, and simply hiring more police officers had more to do with the decrease in crime than Giuliani 's policy

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Understood. It just seems like not prosecuting fare jumping and petty theft leads to more and larger crimes (like stealing high end items for resale in SF) rather than the opposite.

Obscenity is not free speech.

Porn should be outlawed. However, the minimum we should do is to safeguard children from exposure to it.

If squishy conservatives are scared to ban it, then at least online pornography should be restricted to the .xxx extension for websites by law. In addition, access to .xxx extension websites should be turned OFF by default by the consumer's ISP and by switched off by default on all purchased/distributed Wi-Fi/LAN home routers. If an adult consumer wants this turned on, they can do so. Finally, age verification SHOULD be required for this the same way we require it for going into topless bars.

fka ftc said:

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AGC said:

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You've lost the thread. Porn is linked to trafficking and prostitution, as I already said. It's what Johns consume on their way to buy and want to act out. It's the only commonality they have.

Also porn incentivizes trafficking - traffickers film these women having sex and upload it. Most people (like you) don't even realize that's a lot of what you're watching. Because again, women are groomed or forced into the life.

So decreasing easy access and consumption helps other societal problems. Addressing porn has a multiplicative effect.

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You have DERAILED the thread. Please stop. Want to discuss human trafficking, start a new thread.

Online porn is NOT the primary driver of human trafficking. Try again.

You last sentence is utterly naive, which is surprising given your involvement in anti-trafficking. Its an easy attack, but its not the root cause. And it certainly is not the fiscal driver its made out to be.

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If this thread wasn't derailed already, talk of banging horses took it there, and it never really came back.

Burdizzo said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Dies Irae said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.

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I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.

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Doubtful. Prostitution of minors would still be illegal thus an incentive for continued human trafficking.

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I guess adults arent sex-trafficked in your world.

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I didn't say they weren't, but adults are just one subset of humans. A huge component of prostitution and the human sex trade is fueled by pervy pedos who can't keep their hands off the kinder (in the words of Phil Hartman portraying Frank Sinatra berating Woody Allen).

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So you're agreeing with me then that we should legalize prostitution to help the adult victims of human trafficking.

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Again.

Doubtful

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Legalizing something never has any effect on the black market.

Signed,
Alcohol

All your position tells me is that you abhor the idea of prostitution more than you abhor the idea human trafficking.

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.

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I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.

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Doubtful. Prostitution of minors would still be illegal thus an incentive for continued human trafficking.

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I guess adults arent sex-trafficked in your world.

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I didn't say they weren't, but adults are just one subset of humans. A huge component of prostitution and the human sex trade is fueled by pervy pedos who can't keep their hands off the kinder (in the words of Phil Hartman portraying Frank Sinatra berating Woody Allen).

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So you're agreeing with me then that we should legalize prostitution to help the adult victims of human trafficking.

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Again.

Doubtful

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Legalizing something never has any effect on the black market.

Signed,
Alcohol

All your position tells me is that you abhor the idea of prostitution more than you abhor the idea human trafficking.

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I find them both unethical and distasteful, but whatever. You be you. Rationalize whatever gives you a hardon, I guess

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Ag with kids said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.

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I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.

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Correct. People generally do not "traffick" in legal things, certainly not at the same level.

Cocaine is more profitable than moonshine.

Prostitution is more profitable than titty dancing which is more profitable than burlesque shows.

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Once again, you know nothing about trafficking. Third world women populate European brothels because they're desperate to escape their lives at home. Organized crime in Spain and Portugal, for instance, identifies women in central and South America and buys the airfare before keeping passports and saddling them with large debts to repay. They do it to the Africans who come over.

The supply of prostitutes has to be created - women don't wake up at age 11 and decide to spend 10 hours a day screwing randos with kinks for the rest of their life. It's not a thing.

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We're talking about online access to porn here.

Stay focused.

And PLEASE do not go off on the horse ****ing tangent. That was too weird.

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You've lost the thread. Porn is linked to trafficking and prostitution, as I already said. It's what Johns consume on their way to buy and want to act out. It's the only commonality they have.

Also porn incentivizes trafficking - traffickers film these women having sex and upload it. Most people (like you) don't even realize that's a lot of what you're watching. Because again, women are groomed or forced into the life.

So decreasing easy access and consumption helps other societal problems. Addressing porn has a multiplicative effect.

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The thread is supposed to be about HB 1181 which seess to restrict minors' access to online pornography. It's got nothing to do with trafficking, prostitution, or pornography addiction.


Yet here we are.

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AGC said:

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Ag with kids said:

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AGC said:

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fka ftc said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Dies Irae said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.

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I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.

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Correct. People generally do not "traffick" in legal things, certainly not at the same level.

Cocaine is more profitable than moonshine.

Prostitution is more profitable than titty dancing which is more profitable than burlesque shows.

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Once again, you know nothing about trafficking. Third world women populate European brothels because they're desperate to escape their lives at home. Organized crime in Spain and Portugal, for instance, identifies women in central and South America and buys the airfare before keeping passports and saddling them with large debts to repay. They do it to the Africans who come over.

The supply of prostitutes has to be created - women don't wake up at age 11 and decide to spend 10 hours a day screwing randos with kinks for the rest of their life. It's not a thing.

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We're talking about online access to porn here.

Stay focused.

And PLEASE do not go off on the horse ****ing tangent. That was too weird.

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You've lost the thread. Porn is linked to trafficking and prostitution, as I already said. It's what Johns consume on their way to buy and want to act out. It's the only commonality they have.

Also porn incentivizes trafficking - traffickers film these women having sex and upload it. Most people (like you) don't even realize that's a lot of what you're watching. Because again, women are groomed or forced into the life.

So decreasing easy access and consumption helps other societal problems. Addressing porn has a multiplicative effect.

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The thread is supposed to be about HB 1181 which seess to restrict minors' access to online pornography. It's got nothing to do with trafficking, prostitution, or pornography addiction.


Yet here we are.

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And horses, please do not forget about the nonconsensual equine assaults.

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Who gets to decide what "pornography" is?

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Who was it that said, "I can't define it, I know it when I see it"?

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Justice Potter Stewart in Jacobellis v Ohio

It would be ... challenging ... to draft an enforceable criminal statute based upon this "definition."

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Burdizzo said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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fka ftc said:

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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.

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Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.

---

I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.

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Doubtful. Prostitution of minors would still be illegal thus an incentive for continued human trafficking.

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I guess adults arent sex-trafficked in your world.

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I didn't say they weren't, but adults are just one subset of humans. A huge component of prostitution and the human sex trade is fueled by pervy pedos who can't keep their hands off the kinder (in the words of Phil Hartman portraying Frank Sinatra berating Woody Allen).

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So you're agreeing with me then that we should legalize prostitution to help the adult victims of human trafficking.

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Again.

Doubtful

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Legalizing something never has any effect on the black market.

Signed,
Alcohol

All your position tells me is that you abhor the idea of prostitution more than you abhor the idea human trafficking.

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I find them both unethical and distasteful, but whatever. You be you. Rationalize whatever gives you a hardon, I guess

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Do you think that women working in legal Nevadan brothels are more likely to current victims of human trafficking or less likely? Would you agree that they almost certainly have better and safer working conditions that are much less likely to expose them to violence and STDs?

Dude, I get it. You like hookers. You don't have to keep explaining it.

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Dude, I get it. You like hookers. You don't have to keep explaining it.

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Figured you wouldnt answer my questions, mostly because the answers are obvious and support my point.

Just want you to admit to what you actually believe. You'd rather have women trafficked than legalize prostitution.