Texas HB 1181 (porn website age verification bill) preliminarily enjoined

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AGC said:

Ag with kids said:

AGC said:

fka ftc said:

AGC said:

fka ftc said:

Still not making the connection to HB 1181. I did not read it as promoting porn to children nor causing them to look at it. Maybe you read it differently.

Seems to me like parenting is the mechanism to encourage children not to send and lead them to a path of righteousness. Not allowing for suits to be brought against companies providing legal content to adults, content quite clearly covered under the 1st amendment.


You're thinking about the world as it was 30 years ago as is every, 'be a good parent' person. Porn is not a playboy under your dad's bed anymore. Magazines aren't adductive and easy to carry around like what exists now, nor did porn have nearly the same effect on the brain as instant video and unlimited ease of access.

Age verification with ID is the first step on the only reasonable path. If someone's worried about being anonymous while watching strangers have sex they should ask themselves why. The companies already know who you are, they don't need to dox you nor do they care. If you're afraid of your family, work, or friend finding out that's usually an indication that you shouldn't be doing it.


I have a 13yo son. Appreciate the lecture on how porn works in the modern era.

Age verification is absolutely the lamest, weakest, absolutely ineffective way to limit the access.

Lots of things on the web have age verification and none of it is "effective".

Addiction to porn is VASTLY over dramatized. It's a convenient excuse for young folk and hard up husbands who get caught by the wife looking at dirty picks and choking their chicken. "It's not my fault honey, it's much purn addiction!"


Age verification is operating in an outdated paradigm: we all agree on that. Hence the bill that you're actively against since it's reasonable (government required ID) without being intrusive (all the porn sites know who you are anyways as do their marketers). So why is it such a big deal? Sure, kids can use their parents but that's no different than stealing a credit card or using a fake ID like 30 years ago. The law isn't to prevent any and all access. At least present a reasonable argument aside from, 'any regulation is bad.' Might as well pretend that modern day fentanyl is the same as marijuana when you were in high school.

The research is pretty clear. Porn use is like drug use in how it affects your brain. Impedes long term decision making and increases risk taking as it rewires it. It'd be nice if you pro-porn people would just be honest and say you want easy ubiquitous access. That's all the group fighting it is really working for. There's no credit card involved here since you're the product for these sites anyways.
It is not clear. What major organizations define porn use as an addiction? Or are they all liberal (oh sorry, "conservative" according to DI if I'm using his newly defined pronouns correctly)...


No, it's quite clear. We have brain scans that prove the long term effects - there's no functional difference between the brain of a habitual porn user and heroin user. That's why it's hard to take you and fka seriously - the science doesn't actually support your beliefs. You're thinking is outdated and outmoded.

Dunno why y'all think unhindered access to watch other people have sex is a 'good' thing though. Y'all seem to not actually be able to defend that. Some vague notion of freedom and liberty isn't justification for it - it offers no tangible good for any participant or observer.


Could you please provide some links to the studies that support your view?
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aggiez03 said:

Every single bill that tries to prevent degeneracy is challenged by the left in this country.

Especially degeneracy with regards to children.

'We just want to have sex with your children, what is the big deal ?'

-signed libs everywhere.



I never bought much into this until I met someone the other day who voted for Obama once and said your quote verbatim. He didn't even try to hide it. He said all democrats feel the same way. So if you know any democrats and cordial to them in any way…you are just enabling them
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https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0102419


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RebelE Infantry said:

fka ftc said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

fka ftc said:

Dies Irae said:

DannyDuberstein said:

RebelE Infantry said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Like many things, porn is destructive but should be legal.

And these age verification requirements sound like an identity thief's dream


I have yet to see a good reason why this should be so. All I ever see is appeals to some vague notion of "freedom" or "liberty" based on woefully incorrect definitions of the same.


Because the vast majority can handle it just fine. And yes, we do live in a free society where folks should be and are able to do things in private that you may find distasteful while at the same time being none of your business
Do you wanna take a crack at the "horse sex" question, or will that illustrate the limits of your "freedom"
The horse stuff has run its course, so to speak. Move on. No one, including you, understands the point you are making with this odd obsession.
I have zero doubt that the porn-brains on this thread are having trouble understanding the point; but I perfectly understand what I'm saying.

SOME THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM

everyone knows this as evidenced by the fact that we do not give a whim about the consent of animals yet it is still abhorrent to have sex with them, even if they're your property; even if no one knows about it.

The same is true with porn, it is definitionally evil; and a societal cancer whether or not it is being voluntarily taken advantage of.
As long as YOU and YOUR group gets to define WHAT "THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

In the Soviet Union, RELIGION was "INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

But, somehow, I doubt you agree with that.


Congratulations, you have stumbled upon the essential question of societal governance: "Who Decides?"


So who do you think should decide these questions?

Also I bet you thought "different societies and cultures have different value systems" to be a very smart and novel take, didn't you?
You've chosen totalitarianism...doesn't matter that it's RELIGIOUS in nature.

Congrats.

I'm out on that, though.

I want freedom and liberty.


This doesn't answer the question of "who decides?" Unless you're of the opinion that no one can decide and that somehow leads to a functioning society.

On the question of liberty and freedom- I agree with Bl Gabriel Garcia Moreno, president of Ecuador:

"Liberty for everyone and everything, except for evil and evil-doers."


We currently live in a Country where the leader and the party in power believe evil is comprised of freedom, capitalism, religion and love of Country and the evil doers are folks formerly known as patriots.

So you sure you are good with Moreno? Because right now our Moreno is named Biden.


Do you believe the concepts of "good", "evil", and "truth" are objective?
As always...

It depends...

Give me YOUR definitions of those (because your definition of "liberty" was way off the reservation so I need to know what reference frame we're working from here).
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Pinochet said:

Stmichael said:

Pinochet said:

aggiez03 said:

Every single bill that tries to prevent degeneracy is challenged by the left in this country.

Especially degeneracy with regards to children.

'We just want to have sex with your children, what is the big deal ?'

-signed libs everywhere.




Wait… is porn a degenerate activity?


It absolutely is. It's every bit as addictive and habit forming as cocaine, and the consequences are destructive.

So we should outlaw everything that is bad for you? Cigars and booze? Get rid of them. If only we could pass a constitutional amendment to make something like that happen.


No. They approve of those vices.
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Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

fka ftc said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

fka ftc said:

Dies Irae said:

DannyDuberstein said:

RebelE Infantry said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Like many things, porn is destructive but should be legal.

And these age verification requirements sound like an identity thief's dream


I have yet to see a good reason why this should be so. All I ever see is appeals to some vague notion of "freedom" or "liberty" based on woefully incorrect definitions of the same.


Because the vast majority can handle it just fine. And yes, we do live in a free society where folks should be and are able to do things in private that you may find distasteful while at the same time being none of your business
Do you wanna take a crack at the "horse sex" question, or will that illustrate the limits of your "freedom"
The horse stuff has run its course, so to speak. Move on. No one, including you, understands the point you are making with this odd obsession.
I have zero doubt that the porn-brains on this thread are having trouble understanding the point; but I perfectly understand what I'm saying.

SOME THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM

everyone knows this as evidenced by the fact that we do not give a whim about the consent of animals yet it is still abhorrent to have sex with them, even if they're your property; even if no one knows about it.

The same is true with porn, it is definitionally evil; and a societal cancer whether or not it is being voluntarily taken advantage of.
As long as YOU and YOUR group gets to define WHAT "THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

In the Soviet Union, RELIGION was "INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

But, somehow, I doubt you agree with that.


Congratulations, you have stumbled upon the essential question of societal governance: "Who Decides?"


So who do you think should decide these questions?

Also I bet you thought "different societies and cultures have different value systems" to be a very smart and novel take, didn't you?
You've chosen totalitarianism...doesn't matter that it's RELIGIOUS in nature.

Congrats.

I'm out on that, though.

I want freedom and liberty.


This doesn't answer the question of "who decides?" Unless you're of the opinion that no one can decide and that somehow leads to a functioning society.

On the question of liberty and freedom- I agree with Bl Gabriel Garcia Moreno, president of Ecuador:

"Liberty for everyone and everything, except for evil and evil-doers."


We currently live in a Country where the leader and the party in power believe evil is comprised of freedom, capitalism, religion and love of Country and the evil doers are folks formerly known as patriots.

So you sure you are good with Moreno? Because right now our Moreno is named Biden.


Do you believe the concepts of "good", "evil", and "truth" are objective?
As always...

It depends...

Give me YOUR definitions of those (because your definition of "liberty" was way off the reservation so I need to know what reference frame we're working from here).


Who forged your transcript? If someone asks you if something is subjective and you respond "it depends" you can just say "yes".

In your world nothing is good nothing is bad. You don't have an actual problem with child porn, or human trafficking or other things, they're just personally distasteful.
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Dies Irae said:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0102419




Not sure that study says what you think it says. The abstract notes that brain activity is in similar places for those viewing explicit material as in some drug users. It does not even mention long term effects.

But maybe that's what happens when people search for studies they think support their preconceived notions. Or what happens when you let a pastor interpret a medical journal article.
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Pinochet said:

Dies Irae said:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0102419




Not sure that study says what you think it says. The abstract notes that brain activity is in similar places for those viewing explicit material as in some drug users. It does not even mention long term effects.

But maybe that's what happens when people search for studies they think support their preconceived notions. Or what happens when you let a pastor interpret a medical journal article.



What about a Cambridge neuroscientist?


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Dies Irae said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

fka ftc said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

fka ftc said:

Dies Irae said:

DannyDuberstein said:

RebelE Infantry said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Like many things, porn is destructive but should be legal.

And these age verification requirements sound like an identity thief's dream


I have yet to see a good reason why this should be so. All I ever see is appeals to some vague notion of "freedom" or "liberty" based on woefully incorrect definitions of the same.


Because the vast majority can handle it just fine. And yes, we do live in a free society where folks should be and are able to do things in private that you may find distasteful while at the same time being none of your business
Do you wanna take a crack at the "horse sex" question, or will that illustrate the limits of your "freedom"
The horse stuff has run its course, so to speak. Move on. No one, including you, understands the point you are making with this odd obsession.
I have zero doubt that the porn-brains on this thread are having trouble understanding the point; but I perfectly understand what I'm saying.

SOME THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM

everyone knows this as evidenced by the fact that we do not give a whim about the consent of animals yet it is still abhorrent to have sex with them, even if they're your property; even if no one knows about it.

The same is true with porn, it is definitionally evil; and a societal cancer whether or not it is being voluntarily taken advantage of.
As long as YOU and YOUR group gets to define WHAT "THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

In the Soviet Union, RELIGION was "INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

But, somehow, I doubt you agree with that.


Congratulations, you have stumbled upon the essential question of societal governance: "Who Decides?"


So who do you think should decide these questions?

Also I bet you thought "different societies and cultures have different value systems" to be a very smart and novel take, didn't you?
You've chosen totalitarianism...doesn't matter that it's RELIGIOUS in nature.

Congrats.

I'm out on that, though.

I want freedom and liberty.


This doesn't answer the question of "who decides?" Unless you're of the opinion that no one can decide and that somehow leads to a functioning society.

On the question of liberty and freedom- I agree with Bl Gabriel Garcia Moreno, president of Ecuador:

"Liberty for everyone and everything, except for evil and evil-doers."


We currently live in a Country where the leader and the party in power believe evil is comprised of freedom, capitalism, religion and love of Country and the evil doers are folks formerly known as patriots.

So you sure you are good with Moreno? Because right now our Moreno is named Biden.


Do you believe the concepts of "good", "evil", and "truth" are objective?
As always...

It depends...

Give me YOUR definitions of those (because your definition of "liberty" was way off the reservation so I need to know what reference frame we're working from here).


Who forged your transcript? If someone asks you if something is subjective and you respond "it depends" you can just say "yes".

In your world nothing is good nothing is bad. You don't have an actual problem with child porn, or human trafficking or other things, they're just personally distasteful.
Stop making up **** and lying about me.

Seriously. Stop lying.
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Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

fka ftc said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

fka ftc said:

Dies Irae said:

DannyDuberstein said:

RebelE Infantry said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Like many things, porn is destructive but should be legal.

And these age verification requirements sound like an identity thief's dream


I have yet to see a good reason why this should be so. All I ever see is appeals to some vague notion of "freedom" or "liberty" based on woefully incorrect definitions of the same.


Because the vast majority can handle it just fine. And yes, we do live in a free society where folks should be and are able to do things in private that you may find distasteful while at the same time being none of your business
Do you wanna take a crack at the "horse sex" question, or will that illustrate the limits of your "freedom"
The horse stuff has run its course, so to speak. Move on. No one, including you, understands the point you are making with this odd obsession.
I have zero doubt that the porn-brains on this thread are having trouble understanding the point; but I perfectly understand what I'm saying.

SOME THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM

everyone knows this as evidenced by the fact that we do not give a whim about the consent of animals yet it is still abhorrent to have sex with them, even if they're your property; even if no one knows about it.

The same is true with porn, it is definitionally evil; and a societal cancer whether or not it is being voluntarily taken advantage of.
As long as YOU and YOUR group gets to define WHAT "THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

In the Soviet Union, RELIGION was "INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

But, somehow, I doubt you agree with that.


Congratulations, you have stumbled upon the essential question of societal governance: "Who Decides?"


So who do you think should decide these questions?

Also I bet you thought "different societies and cultures have different value systems" to be a very smart and novel take, didn't you?
You've chosen totalitarianism...doesn't matter that it's RELIGIOUS in nature.

Congrats.

I'm out on that, though.

I want freedom and liberty.


This doesn't answer the question of "who decides?" Unless you're of the opinion that no one can decide and that somehow leads to a functioning society.

On the question of liberty and freedom- I agree with Bl Gabriel Garcia Moreno, president of Ecuador:

"Liberty for everyone and everything, except for evil and evil-doers."


We currently live in a Country where the leader and the party in power believe evil is comprised of freedom, capitalism, religion and love of Country and the evil doers are folks formerly known as patriots.

So you sure you are good with Moreno? Because right now our Moreno is named Biden.


Do you believe the concepts of "good", "evil", and "truth" are objective?
As always...

It depends...

Give me YOUR definitions of those (because your definition of "liberty" was way off the reservation so I need to know what reference frame we're working from here).


Who forged your transcript? If someone asks you if something is subjective and you respond "it depends" you can just say "yes".

In your world nothing is good nothing is bad. You don't have an actual problem with child porn, or human trafficking or other things, they're just personally distasteful.
Stop making up **** and lying about me.

Seriously. Stop lying.


No way dude. Just keeping you consistent. Nothing is inherently bad or good. Just artifacts of religion on culture overtime.

Very open minded non judgemental and cool.
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Dies Irae said:

Pinochet said:

Dies Irae said:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0102419




Not sure that study says what you think it says. The abstract notes that brain activity is in similar places for those viewing explicit material as in some drug users. It does not even mention long term effects.

But maybe that's what happens when people search for studies they think support their preconceived notions. Or what happens when you let a pastor interpret a medical journal article.



What about a Cambridge neuroscientist?



What about this?


Quote:

Prause used three separate scales to identify people with hypersexual problems. Then she showed them a variety of images, including sexual ones. She predicted she'd see a dose response: Those people who reported having greater difficulty controlling their porn use would experience a greater spike in the P300 value. "Frankly, I thought this would be a slam-dunk easy finding," she says.

Surprisingly, that was not the case. People who reported greater problems controlling porn use had no clear change in the P300 value related to their level of sexual problems, whether they viewed porn or neutral images such as food or people skiing (Socioaffective Neuroscience & Psychology, 2013). "Our findings don't make them look at all like addicts," she says.

Or this?

Quote:

"[M]oral incongruence around pornography use is consistently the best predictor of the belief one is experiencing pornography-related problems or dysregulation, and comparisons of aggregate effects reveal that it is consistently a much better predictor than pornography use itself…"
Or this?

Quote:

The research actually found very little evidence -- if any at all -- to support some of the purported negative side effects of porn "addiction." There was no sign that use of pornography is connected to erectile dysfunction, or that it causes any changes to the brains of users.
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Dies Irae said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

fka ftc said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

fka ftc said:

Dies Irae said:

DannyDuberstein said:

RebelE Infantry said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Like many things, porn is destructive but should be legal.

And these age verification requirements sound like an identity thief's dream


I have yet to see a good reason why this should be so. All I ever see is appeals to some vague notion of "freedom" or "liberty" based on woefully incorrect definitions of the same.


Because the vast majority can handle it just fine. And yes, we do live in a free society where folks should be and are able to do things in private that you may find distasteful while at the same time being none of your business
Do you wanna take a crack at the "horse sex" question, or will that illustrate the limits of your "freedom"
The horse stuff has run its course, so to speak. Move on. No one, including you, understands the point you are making with this odd obsession.
I have zero doubt that the porn-brains on this thread are having trouble understanding the point; but I perfectly understand what I'm saying.

SOME THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM

everyone knows this as evidenced by the fact that we do not give a whim about the consent of animals yet it is still abhorrent to have sex with them, even if they're your property; even if no one knows about it.

The same is true with porn, it is definitionally evil; and a societal cancer whether or not it is being voluntarily taken advantage of.
As long as YOU and YOUR group gets to define WHAT "THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

In the Soviet Union, RELIGION was "INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

But, somehow, I doubt you agree with that.


Congratulations, you have stumbled upon the essential question of societal governance: "Who Decides?"


So who do you think should decide these questions?

Also I bet you thought "different societies and cultures have different value systems" to be a very smart and novel take, didn't you?
You've chosen totalitarianism...doesn't matter that it's RELIGIOUS in nature.

Congrats.

I'm out on that, though.

I want freedom and liberty.


This doesn't answer the question of "who decides?" Unless you're of the opinion that no one can decide and that somehow leads to a functioning society.

On the question of liberty and freedom- I agree with Bl Gabriel Garcia Moreno, president of Ecuador:

"Liberty for everyone and everything, except for evil and evil-doers."


We currently live in a Country where the leader and the party in power believe evil is comprised of freedom, capitalism, religion and love of Country and the evil doers are folks formerly known as patriots.

So you sure you are good with Moreno? Because right now our Moreno is named Biden.


Do you believe the concepts of "good", "evil", and "truth" are objective?
As always...

It depends...

Give me YOUR definitions of those (because your definition of "liberty" was way off the reservation so I need to know what reference frame we're working from here).


Who forged your transcript? If someone asks you if something is subjective and you respond "it depends" you can just say "yes".

In your world nothing is good nothing is bad. You don't have an actual problem with child porn, or human trafficking or other things, they're just personally distasteful.
Stop making up **** and lying about me.

Seriously. Stop lying.



No way dude. Just keeping you consistent. Nothing is inherently bad or good. Just artifacts of religion on culture overtime.

Very open minded non judgemental and cool.
So, you're going to CONTINUE to LIE?

Very Christian of you...

Even worse...you're calling me a liar, too, because I have EXPLICITLY stated I don't think those things you're continuing to lie about.
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Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

Pinochet said:

Dies Irae said:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0102419




Not sure that study says what you think it says. The abstract notes that brain activity is in similar places for those viewing explicit material as in some drug users. It does not even mention long term effects.

But maybe that's what happens when people search for studies they think support their preconceived notions. Or what happens when you let a pastor interpret a medical journal article.



What about a Cambridge neuroscientist?



What about this?


Quote:

Prause used three separate scales to identify people with hypersexual problems. Then she showed them a variety of images, including sexual ones. She predicted she'd see a dose response: Those people who reported having greater difficulty controlling their porn use would experience a greater spike in the P300 value. "Frankly, I thought this would be a slam-dunk easy finding," she says.

Surprisingly, that was not the case. People who reported greater problems controlling porn use had no clear change in the P300 value related to their level of sexual problems, whether they viewed porn or neutral images such as food or people skiing (Socioaffective Neuroscience & Psychology, 2013). "Our findings don't make them look at all like addicts," she says.

Or this?

Quote:

"[M]oral incongruence around pornography use is consistently the best predictor of the belief one is experiencing pornography-related problems or dysregulation, and comparisons of aggregate effects reveal that it is consistently a much better predictor than pornography use itself…"
Or this?

Quote:

The research actually found very little evidence -- if any at all -- to support some of the purported negative side effects of porn "addiction." There was no sign that use of pornography is connected to erectile dysfunction, or that it causes any changes to the brains of users.



Did you read these? They're just arguing that they're more akin to compulsions than addiction, which has no practical different given what we are talking aboutb
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Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

fka ftc said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

fka ftc said:

Dies Irae said:

DannyDuberstein said:

RebelE Infantry said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Like many things, porn is destructive but should be legal.

And these age verification requirements sound like an identity thief's dream


I have yet to see a good reason why this should be so. All I ever see is appeals to some vague notion of "freedom" or "liberty" based on woefully incorrect definitions of the same.


Because the vast majority can handle it just fine. And yes, we do live in a free society where folks should be and are able to do things in private that you may find distasteful while at the same time being none of your business
Do you wanna take a crack at the "horse sex" question, or will that illustrate the limits of your "freedom"
The horse stuff has run its course, so to speak. Move on. No one, including you, understands the point you are making with this odd obsession.
I have zero doubt that the porn-brains on this thread are having trouble understanding the point; but I perfectly understand what I'm saying.

SOME THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM

everyone knows this as evidenced by the fact that we do not give a whim about the consent of animals yet it is still abhorrent to have sex with them, even if they're your property; even if no one knows about it.

The same is true with porn, it is definitionally evil; and a societal cancer whether or not it is being voluntarily taken advantage of.
As long as YOU and YOUR group gets to define WHAT "THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

In the Soviet Union, RELIGION was "INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

But, somehow, I doubt you agree with that.


Congratulations, you have stumbled upon the essential question of societal governance: "Who Decides?"


So who do you think should decide these questions?

Also I bet you thought "different societies and cultures have different value systems" to be a very smart and novel take, didn't you?
You've chosen totalitarianism...doesn't matter that it's RELIGIOUS in nature.

Congrats.

I'm out on that, though.

I want freedom and liberty.


This doesn't answer the question of "who decides?" Unless you're of the opinion that no one can decide and that somehow leads to a functioning society.

On the question of liberty and freedom- I agree with Bl Gabriel Garcia Moreno, president of Ecuador:

"Liberty for everyone and everything, except for evil and evil-doers."


We currently live in a Country where the leader and the party in power believe evil is comprised of freedom, capitalism, religion and love of Country and the evil doers are folks formerly known as patriots.

So you sure you are good with Moreno? Because right now our Moreno is named Biden.


Do you believe the concepts of "good", "evil", and "truth" are objective?
As always...

It depends...

Give me YOUR definitions of those (because your definition of "liberty" was way off the reservation so I need to know what reference frame we're working from here).


Who forged your transcript? If someone asks you if something is subjective and you respond "it depends" you can just say "yes".

In your world nothing is good nothing is bad. You don't have an actual problem with child porn, or human trafficking or other things, they're just personally distasteful.
Stop making up **** and lying about me.

Seriously. Stop lying.


No way dude. Just keeping you consistent. Nothing is inherently bad or good. Just artifacts of religion on culture overtime.

Very open minded non judgemental and cool.
So, you're going to CONTINUE to LIE?

Very Christian of you...

Even worse...you're calling me a liar, too, because I have EXPLICITLY stated I don't think those things you're continuing to lie about.


Yes I am calling you a liar, because you say you don't support people arbitrarily telling other people what to do, while saying you support just that. I can only assume you don't want to tell people that anything that they're doing is wrong.
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Dies Irae said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

Pinochet said:

Dies Irae said:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0102419




Not sure that study says what you think it says. The abstract notes that brain activity is in similar places for those viewing explicit material as in some drug users. It does not even mention long term effects.

But maybe that's what happens when people search for studies they think support their preconceived notions. Or what happens when you let a pastor interpret a medical journal article.



What about a Cambridge neuroscientist?



What about this?


Quote:

Prause used three separate scales to identify people with hypersexual problems. Then she showed them a variety of images, including sexual ones. She predicted she'd see a dose response: Those people who reported having greater difficulty controlling their porn use would experience a greater spike in the P300 value. "Frankly, I thought this would be a slam-dunk easy finding," she says.

Surprisingly, that was not the case. People who reported greater problems controlling porn use had no clear change in the P300 value related to their level of sexual problems, whether they viewed porn or neutral images such as food or people skiing (Socioaffective Neuroscience & Psychology, 2013). "Our findings don't make them look at all like addicts," she says.

Or this?

Quote:

"[M]oral incongruence around pornography use is consistently the best predictor of the belief one is experiencing pornography-related problems or dysregulation, and comparisons of aggregate effects reveal that it is consistently a much better predictor than pornography use itself…"
Or this?

Quote:

The research actually found very little evidence -- if any at all -- to support some of the purported negative side effects of porn "addiction." There was no sign that use of pornography is connected to erectile dysfunction, or that it causes any changes to the brains of users.



Did you read these? They're just arguing that they're more akin to compulsions than addiction, which has no practical different given what we are talking aboutb
Jesus ****. Now you're going to start redefining addiction? What other words do you want to make up your own definitions for?
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Dies Irae said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

fka ftc said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

fka ftc said:

Dies Irae said:

DannyDuberstein said:

RebelE Infantry said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Like many things, porn is destructive but should be legal.

And these age verification requirements sound like an identity thief's dream


I have yet to see a good reason why this should be so. All I ever see is appeals to some vague notion of "freedom" or "liberty" based on woefully incorrect definitions of the same.


Because the vast majority can handle it just fine. And yes, we do live in a free society where folks should be and are able to do things in private that you may find distasteful while at the same time being none of your business
Do you wanna take a crack at the "horse sex" question, or will that illustrate the limits of your "freedom"
The horse stuff has run its course, so to speak. Move on. No one, including you, understands the point you are making with this odd obsession.
I have zero doubt that the porn-brains on this thread are having trouble understanding the point; but I perfectly understand what I'm saying.

SOME THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM

everyone knows this as evidenced by the fact that we do not give a whim about the consent of animals yet it is still abhorrent to have sex with them, even if they're your property; even if no one knows about it.

The same is true with porn, it is definitionally evil; and a societal cancer whether or not it is being voluntarily taken advantage of.
As long as YOU and YOUR group gets to define WHAT "THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

In the Soviet Union, RELIGION was "INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

But, somehow, I doubt you agree with that.


Congratulations, you have stumbled upon the essential question of societal governance: "Who Decides?"


So who do you think should decide these questions?

Also I bet you thought "different societies and cultures have different value systems" to be a very smart and novel take, didn't you?
You've chosen totalitarianism...doesn't matter that it's RELIGIOUS in nature.

Congrats.

I'm out on that, though.

I want freedom and liberty.


This doesn't answer the question of "who decides?" Unless you're of the opinion that no one can decide and that somehow leads to a functioning society.

On the question of liberty and freedom- I agree with Bl Gabriel Garcia Moreno, president of Ecuador:

"Liberty for everyone and everything, except for evil and evil-doers."


We currently live in a Country where the leader and the party in power believe evil is comprised of freedom, capitalism, religion and love of Country and the evil doers are folks formerly known as patriots.

So you sure you are good with Moreno? Because right now our Moreno is named Biden.


Do you believe the concepts of "good", "evil", and "truth" are objective?
As always...

It depends...

Give me YOUR definitions of those (because your definition of "liberty" was way off the reservation so I need to know what reference frame we're working from here).


Who forged your transcript? If someone asks you if something is subjective and you respond "it depends" you can just say "yes".

In your world nothing is good nothing is bad. You don't have an actual problem with child porn, or human trafficking or other things, they're just personally distasteful.
Stop making up **** and lying about me.

Seriously. Stop lying.


No way dude. Just keeping you consistent. Nothing is inherently bad or good. Just artifacts of religion on culture overtime.

Very open minded non judgemental and cool.
So, you're going to CONTINUE to LIE?

Very Christian of you...

Even worse...you're calling me a liar, too, because I have EXPLICITLY stated I don't think those things you're continuing to lie about.


Yes I am calling you a liar, because you say you don't support people arbitrarily telling other people what to do, while saying you support just that. I can only assume you don't want to tell people that anything that they're doing is wrong.

That is nothing like anything I've said.
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Bingo!

Square of sock calling an OG poster names!
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Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

fka ftc said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

fka ftc said:

Dies Irae said:

DannyDuberstein said:

RebelE Infantry said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Like many things, porn is destructive but should be legal.

And these age verification requirements sound like an identity thief's dream


I have yet to see a good reason why this should be so. All I ever see is appeals to some vague notion of "freedom" or "liberty" based on woefully incorrect definitions of the same.


Because the vast majority can handle it just fine. And yes, we do live in a free society where folks should be and are able to do things in private that you may find distasteful while at the same time being none of your business
Do you wanna take a crack at the "horse sex" question, or will that illustrate the limits of your "freedom"
The horse stuff has run its course, so to speak. Move on. No one, including you, understands the point you are making with this odd obsession.
I have zero doubt that the porn-brains on this thread are having trouble understanding the point; but I perfectly understand what I'm saying.

SOME THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM

everyone knows this as evidenced by the fact that we do not give a whim about the consent of animals yet it is still abhorrent to have sex with them, even if they're your property; even if no one knows about it.

The same is true with porn, it is definitionally evil; and a societal cancer whether or not it is being voluntarily taken advantage of.
As long as YOU and YOUR group gets to define WHAT "THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

In the Soviet Union, RELIGION was "INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

But, somehow, I doubt you agree with that.


Congratulations, you have stumbled upon the essential question of societal governance: "Who Decides?"


So who do you think should decide these questions?

Also I bet you thought "different societies and cultures have different value systems" to be a very smart and novel take, didn't you?
You've chosen totalitarianism...doesn't matter that it's RELIGIOUS in nature.

Congrats.

I'm out on that, though.

I want freedom and liberty.


This doesn't answer the question of "who decides?" Unless you're of the opinion that no one can decide and that somehow leads to a functioning society.

On the question of liberty and freedom- I agree with Bl Gabriel Garcia Moreno, president of Ecuador:

"Liberty for everyone and everything, except for evil and evil-doers."


We currently live in a Country where the leader and the party in power believe evil is comprised of freedom, capitalism, religion and love of Country and the evil doers are folks formerly known as patriots.

So you sure you are good with Moreno? Because right now our Moreno is named Biden.


Do you believe the concepts of "good", "evil", and "truth" are objective?
As always...

It depends...

Give me YOUR definitions of those (because your definition of "liberty" was way off the reservation so I need to know what reference frame we're working from here).


Who forged your transcript? If someone asks you if something is subjective and you respond "it depends" you can just say "yes".

In your world nothing is good nothing is bad. You don't have an actual problem with child porn, or human trafficking or other things, they're just personally distasteful.
Stop making up **** and lying about me.

Seriously. Stop lying.


No way dude. Just keeping you consistent. Nothing is inherently bad or good. Just artifacts of religion on culture overtime.

Very open minded non judgemental and cool.
So, you're going to CONTINUE to LIE?

Very Christian of you...

Even worse...you're calling me a liar, too, because I have EXPLICITLY stated I don't think those things you're continuing to lie about.


Yes I am calling you a liar, because you say you don't support people arbitrarily telling other people what to do, while saying you support just that. I can only assume you don't want to tell people that anything that they're doing is wrong.

That is nothing like anything I've said.


Okay, let's test that.

Do parents have agency over children?
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Dies Irae said:





Did you read these? They're just arguing that they're more akin to compulsions than addiction, which has no practical different given what we are talking aboutb
Jesus ****. Now you're going to start redefining addiction? What other words do you want to make up your own definitions for?
Those same regions of the brain that get all turnt up that are identified in those studies... yeah, same thing happens when you cuddle with puppies, see a child giggle, eat chocolate, scarf down your favorite cheeseburger, etc.

Exciting the pleasure centers of the brain kind of makes being human worth being human. Sorry the Amish bug has bitten some of you and we must denounce all things that make us feel nice.

Also, the poster who talked about brains of porn addicted same as heroin addicted... that is simply a flat out lie.
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Dies Irae said:

Pinochet said:

Dies Irae said:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0102419




Not sure that study says what you think it says. The abstract notes that brain activity is in similar places for those viewing explicit material as in some drug users. It does not even mention long term effects.

But maybe that's what happens when people search for studies they think support their preconceived notions. Or what happens when you let a pastor interpret a medical journal article.



What about a Cambridge neuroscientist?






You left off the rest of her quote
https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/brain-activity-in-sex-addiction-mirrors-that-of-drug-addiction


There are clear differences in brain activity between patients who have compulsive sexual behaviour and healthy volunteers. These differences mirror those of drug addicts," adds Dr Voon. "Whilst these findings are interesting, it's important to note, however, that they could not be used to diagnose the condition. Nor does our research necessarily provide evidence that these individuals are addicted to porn or that porn is inherently addictive. Much more research is required to understand this relationship between compulsive sexual behaviour and drug addiction."
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I really don't like the fringe element of either party. Both just really think they know what's best for you and want to limit your ability to live life as you choose it.
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Dies Irae said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

fka ftc said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

fka ftc said:

Dies Irae said:

DannyDuberstein said:

RebelE Infantry said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Like many things, porn is destructive but should be legal.

And these age verification requirements sound like an identity thief's dream


I have yet to see a good reason why this should be so. All I ever see is appeals to some vague notion of "freedom" or "liberty" based on woefully incorrect definitions of the same.


Because the vast majority can handle it just fine. And yes, we do live in a free society where folks should be and are able to do things in private that you may find distasteful while at the same time being none of your business
Do you wanna take a crack at the "horse sex" question, or will that illustrate the limits of your "freedom"
The horse stuff has run its course, so to speak. Move on. No one, including you, understands the point you are making with this odd obsession.
I have zero doubt that the porn-brains on this thread are having trouble understanding the point; but I perfectly understand what I'm saying.

SOME THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM

everyone knows this as evidenced by the fact that we do not give a whim about the consent of animals yet it is still abhorrent to have sex with them, even if they're your property; even if no one knows about it.

The same is true with porn, it is definitionally evil; and a societal cancer whether or not it is being voluntarily taken advantage of.
As long as YOU and YOUR group gets to define WHAT "THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

In the Soviet Union, RELIGION was "INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

But, somehow, I doubt you agree with that.


Congratulations, you have stumbled upon the essential question of societal governance: "Who Decides?"


So who do you think should decide these questions?

Also I bet you thought "different societies and cultures have different value systems" to be a very smart and novel take, didn't you?
You've chosen totalitarianism...doesn't matter that it's RELIGIOUS in nature.

Congrats.

I'm out on that, though.

I want freedom and liberty.


This doesn't answer the question of "who decides?" Unless you're of the opinion that no one can decide and that somehow leads to a functioning society.

On the question of liberty and freedom- I agree with Bl Gabriel Garcia Moreno, president of Ecuador:

"Liberty for everyone and everything, except for evil and evil-doers."


We currently live in a Country where the leader and the party in power believe evil is comprised of freedom, capitalism, religion and love of Country and the evil doers are folks formerly known as patriots.

So you sure you are good with Moreno? Because right now our Moreno is named Biden.


Do you believe the concepts of "good", "evil", and "truth" are objective?
As always...

It depends...

Give me YOUR definitions of those (because your definition of "liberty" was way off the reservation so I need to know what reference frame we're working from here).


Who forged your transcript? If someone asks you if something is subjective and you respond "it depends" you can just say "yes".

In your world nothing is good nothing is bad. You don't have an actual problem with child porn, or human trafficking or other things, they're just personally distasteful.


Completely dishonest argument. I guess honesty is not one of the commandments you want made into law
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DannyDuberstein said:

Dies Irae said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

fka ftc said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

fka ftc said:

Dies Irae said:

DannyDuberstein said:

RebelE Infantry said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Like many things, porn is destructive but should be legal.

And these age verification requirements sound like an identity thief's dream


I have yet to see a good reason why this should be so. All I ever see is appeals to some vague notion of "freedom" or "liberty" based on woefully incorrect definitions of the same.


Because the vast majority can handle it just fine. And yes, we do live in a free society where folks should be and are able to do things in private that you may find distasteful while at the same time being none of your business
Do you wanna take a crack at the "horse sex" question, or will that illustrate the limits of your "freedom"
The horse stuff has run its course, so to speak. Move on. No one, including you, understands the point you are making with this odd obsession.
I have zero doubt that the porn-brains on this thread are having trouble understanding the point; but I perfectly understand what I'm saying.

SOME THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM

everyone knows this as evidenced by the fact that we do not give a whim about the consent of animals yet it is still abhorrent to have sex with them, even if they're your property; even if no one knows about it.

The same is true with porn, it is definitionally evil; and a societal cancer whether or not it is being voluntarily taken advantage of.
As long as YOU and YOUR group gets to define WHAT "THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

In the Soviet Union, RELIGION was "INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

But, somehow, I doubt you agree with that.


Congratulations, you have stumbled upon the essential question of societal governance: "Who Decides?"


So who do you think should decide these questions?

Also I bet you thought "different societies and cultures have different value systems" to be a very smart and novel take, didn't you?
You've chosen totalitarianism...doesn't matter that it's RELIGIOUS in nature.

Congrats.

I'm out on that, though.

I want freedom and liberty.


This doesn't answer the question of "who decides?" Unless you're of the opinion that no one can decide and that somehow leads to a functioning society.

On the question of liberty and freedom- I agree with Bl Gabriel Garcia Moreno, president of Ecuador:

"Liberty for everyone and everything, except for evil and evil-doers."


We currently live in a Country where the leader and the party in power believe evil is comprised of freedom, capitalism, religion and love of Country and the evil doers are folks formerly known as patriots.

So you sure you are good with Moreno? Because right now our Moreno is named Biden.


Do you believe the concepts of "good", "evil", and "truth" are objective?
As always...

It depends...

Give me YOUR definitions of those (because your definition of "liberty" was way off the reservation so I need to know what reference frame we're working from here).


Who forged your transcript? If someone asks you if something is subjective and you respond "it depends" you can just say "yes".

In your world nothing is good nothing is bad. You don't have an actual problem with child porn, or human trafficking or other things, they're just personally distasteful.


Completely dishonest argument. I guess honesty is not one of the commandments you want made into law
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DannyDuberstein said:

Dies Irae said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

fka ftc said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

fka ftc said:

Dies Irae said:

DannyDuberstein said:

RebelE Infantry said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Like many things, porn is destructive but should be legal.

And these age verification requirements sound like an identity thief's dream


I have yet to see a good reason why this should be so. All I ever see is appeals to some vague notion of "freedom" or "liberty" based on woefully incorrect definitions of the same.


Because the vast majority can handle it just fine. And yes, we do live in a free society where folks should be and are able to do things in private that you may find distasteful while at the same time being none of your business
Do you wanna take a crack at the "horse sex" question, or will that illustrate the limits of your "freedom"
The horse stuff has run its course, so to speak. Move on. No one, including you, understands the point you are making with this odd obsession.
I have zero doubt that the porn-brains on this thread are having trouble understanding the point; but I perfectly understand what I'm saying.

SOME THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM

everyone knows this as evidenced by the fact that we do not give a whim about the consent of animals yet it is still abhorrent to have sex with them, even if they're your property; even if no one knows about it.

The same is true with porn, it is definitionally evil; and a societal cancer whether or not it is being voluntarily taken advantage of.
As long as YOU and YOUR group gets to define WHAT "THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

In the Soviet Union, RELIGION was "INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

But, somehow, I doubt you agree with that.


Congratulations, you have stumbled upon the essential question of societal governance: "Who Decides?"


So who do you think should decide these questions?

Also I bet you thought "different societies and cultures have different value systems" to be a very smart and novel take, didn't you?
You've chosen totalitarianism...doesn't matter that it's RELIGIOUS in nature.

Congrats.

I'm out on that, though.

I want freedom and liberty.


This doesn't answer the question of "who decides?" Unless you're of the opinion that no one can decide and that somehow leads to a functioning society.

On the question of liberty and freedom- I agree with Bl Gabriel Garcia Moreno, president of Ecuador:

"Liberty for everyone and everything, except for evil and evil-doers."


We currently live in a Country where the leader and the party in power believe evil is comprised of freedom, capitalism, religion and love of Country and the evil doers are folks formerly known as patriots.

So you sure you are good with Moreno? Because right now our Moreno is named Biden.


Do you believe the concepts of "good", "evil", and "truth" are objective?
As always...

It depends...

Give me YOUR definitions of those (because your definition of "liberty" was way off the reservation so I need to know what reference frame we're working from here).


Who forged your transcript? If someone asks you if something is subjective and you respond "it depends" you can just say "yes".

In your world nothing is good nothing is bad. You don't have an actual problem with child porn, or human trafficking or other things, they're just personally distasteful.


Completely dishonest argument. I guess honesty is not one of the commandments you want made into law
I stopped conversing with him and put him on my VERY short list of ignored posters. I don't block anyone for opinions I dislike, but I will NOT tolerate having lies told about me like that (and then later being called a liar flat out).

That's not exactly the kind of behavior I'd expect from someone that espouses religiosity...
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Ag with kids said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Dies Irae said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

fka ftc said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Ag with kids said:

Dies Irae said:

fka ftc said:

Dies Irae said:

DannyDuberstein said:

RebelE Infantry said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Like many things, porn is destructive but should be legal.

And these age verification requirements sound like an identity thief's dream


I have yet to see a good reason why this should be so. All I ever see is appeals to some vague notion of "freedom" or "liberty" based on woefully incorrect definitions of the same.


Because the vast majority can handle it just fine. And yes, we do live in a free society where folks should be and are able to do things in private that you may find distasteful while at the same time being none of your business
Do you wanna take a crack at the "horse sex" question, or will that illustrate the limits of your "freedom"
The horse stuff has run its course, so to speak. Move on. No one, including you, understands the point you are making with this odd obsession.
I have zero doubt that the porn-brains on this thread are having trouble understanding the point; but I perfectly understand what I'm saying.

SOME THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM

everyone knows this as evidenced by the fact that we do not give a whim about the consent of animals yet it is still abhorrent to have sex with them, even if they're your property; even if no one knows about it.

The same is true with porn, it is definitionally evil; and a societal cancer whether or not it is being voluntarily taken advantage of.
As long as YOU and YOUR group gets to define WHAT "THINGS ARE INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

In the Soviet Union, RELIGION was "INTRINSICALLY WRONG OUTSIDE OF IDEAS OF CONSENT OR VOLUNTARISM".

But, somehow, I doubt you agree with that.


Congratulations, you have stumbled upon the essential question of societal governance: "Who Decides?"


So who do you think should decide these questions?

Also I bet you thought "different societies and cultures have different value systems" to be a very smart and novel take, didn't you?
You've chosen totalitarianism...doesn't matter that it's RELIGIOUS in nature.

Congrats.

I'm out on that, though.

I want freedom and liberty.


This doesn't answer the question of "who decides?" Unless you're of the opinion that no one can decide and that somehow leads to a functioning society.

On the question of liberty and freedom- I agree with Bl Gabriel Garcia Moreno, president of Ecuador:

"Liberty for everyone and everything, except for evil and evil-doers."


We currently live in a Country where the leader and the party in power believe evil is comprised of freedom, capitalism, religion and love of Country and the evil doers are folks formerly known as patriots.

So you sure you are good with Moreno? Because right now our Moreno is named Biden.


Do you believe the concepts of "good", "evil", and "truth" are objective?
As always...

It depends...

Give me YOUR definitions of those (because your definition of "liberty" was way off the reservation so I need to know what reference frame we're working from here).


Who forged your transcript? If someone asks you if something is subjective and you respond "it depends" you can just say "yes".

In your world nothing is good nothing is bad. You don't have an actual problem with child porn, or human trafficking or other things, they're just personally distasteful.


Completely dishonest argument. I guess honesty is not one of the commandments you want made into law
I stopped conversing with him and put him on my VERY short list of ignored posters. I don't block anyone for opinions I dislike, but I will NOT tolerate having lies told about me like that (and then later being called a liar flat out).

That's not exactly the kind of behavior I'd expect from someone that espouses religiosity...


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Tanya 93 said:

TxAgPreacher said:

Steampunk-Kangaroo said:

TxAgPreacher said:

exp said:

Conservatives love freedom until they have a chance to Lord morally superior central planning onto others.
Yes. Because we actually want to conserve our culture, and prevent rampant degeneracy.

Freedom from sin, not freedom to sin.

"The truth shall set you free"

God's perfect law if liberty is what sets you free. Not being a slave to sin. You are either set free in Christ, or a slave to your lusts.

It's the Christian worldview. Our founders knew this and were ok with obscenity laws, sodomy laws, and the like. I think they understood freedom better than you.
Muslim countries have the exact same view on sex and pornography. They LOVE obscenity and sodomy laws. So do I. They are right about that.

Next you're gonna tell me I need to start wearing a burka. The bible is clear that God gave woman hair as her covering so no as long as you dress modestly a burka wont be necessary. That being said, it sure would be more Godly than the women walking around half necked like they do these days. But no, full burka is not my preference. Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

You also didn't make an argument at all. You simply stated you didn't like it. Ok, noted. Moving on.





Holy cow


Women should have to be covered and as long as they have long hair, they don't need a burka?

I hope you don't have a daughter.

Me too. Given how he feels about sodomy laws I hope he doesn't have a gay son either, and heaven help if he has a lesbian daughter...
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fka ftc said:

AGC said:

fka ftc said:

Still not making the connection to HB 1181. I did not read it as promoting porn to children nor causing them to look at it. Maybe you read it differently.

Seems to me like parenting is the mechanism to encourage children not to send and lead them to a path of righteousness. Not allowing for suits to be brought against companies providing legal content to adults, content quite clearly covered under the 1st amendment.


You're thinking about the world as it was 30 years ago as is every, 'be a good parent' person. Porn is not a playboy under your dad's bed anymore. Magazines aren't adductive and easy to carry around like what exists now, nor did porn have nearly the same effect on the brain as instant video and unlimited ease of access.

Age verification with ID is the first step on the only reasonable path. If someone's worried about being anonymous while watching strangers have sex they should ask themselves why. The companies already know who you are, they don't need to dox you nor do they care. If you're afraid of your family, work, or friend finding out that's usually an indication that you shouldn't be doing it.


I have a 13yo son. Appreciate the lecture on how porn works in the modern era.

Age verification is absolutely the lamest, weakest, absolutely ineffective way to limit the access.

Lots of things on the web have age verification and none of it is "effective".

Addiction to porn is VASTLY over dramatized. It's a convenient excuse for young folk and hard up husbands who get caught by the wife looking at dirty picks and choking their chicken. "It's not my fault honey, it's much purn addiction!"
Much like firearms, introducing legislation to stop it will only keep law-abiding people from using it.

And again, THE SECURITY PROBLEMS WITH ID VERIFICATION. Love how everyone's started talking about God and Christianity and stuff instead of focusing on whether or not ID verification would be a good measure...
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Dies Irae said:

Steampunk-Kangaroo said:

Ag with kids said:

Steampunk-Kangaroo said:

AGC said:

exp said:

This thread proves that people on the right want thy state to protect them as much as people on the left.

Power corrupts and once people have it they want to use it.

Screw all you nanny state loving wimps. I'll make sure my kids are safe. Don't need a politician sorting that out for me.


Statistically your kid's seen it by 8-9. If your child is a boy there's a 90% chance they'll be addicted by high school unless you just keep them from having a smart phone and keep them out of all schools that allow phones (and mixed in with likeminded parents who don't permit it).

But most of the 'I'll parent my own kids' crowd on here isn't smart enough or capable enough of doing it, nor will they put in that effort. Becuase it's about peers and because porn is addictive on the level of heroin. All the 'but muh freedoms' and 'liberty' crown really have no idea what porn actually does to the brain in terms of addiction and rewiring it. Kids have ED because their body knows the dopamine comes from a little black box with images (not real women - that's what the research says). Too bad y'all can't outsmart your biology, otherwise you might actually have a real argument instead of some abstract intellectual idea of a real thing.
I am a real woman who watches porn ~4-7 times a week. Nice try.

Yes, real men would be better but until then... (ps that's not an invitation, 99% of y'all are old enough to be my grandfathers and I don't like the way you approach relationships anyway)
Go on...
It's usually closer to 4 times, and I only like those "solo men" ones that are technically usually designed for gay guys but I don't care. (I might be bi but I don't like women in my porn, and no I don't know why beyond "porn women act really weird and make way too much noise and it turns me off")


Since you are sharing so openly, how is your relationship with your father?
Pretty good. We usually go visit my grandfather a few times a month. Though we do sometimes have arguments about religion we're generally on very good terms, plus I live with him.

I know y'all think I'm some leftist Twitter freak blue-haired feminist but I'm really not.

Edited to fix a typo.

Edit 2: Oh wow that was an old post I replied to. I don't know why I thought it was more recent. Sorry about that y'all. I guess I just clicked on the thread and saw my name in blue, but forgot to check the date.
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Steampunk-Kangaroo said:

fka ftc said:

AGC said:

fka ftc said:

Still not making the connection to HB 1181. I did not read it as promoting porn to children nor causing them to look at it. Maybe you read it differently.

Seems to me like parenting is the mechanism to encourage children not to send and lead them to a path of righteousness. Not allowing for suits to be brought against companies providing legal content to adults, content quite clearly covered under the 1st amendment.


You're thinking about the world as it was 30 years ago as is every, 'be a good parent' person. Porn is not a playboy under your dad's bed anymore. Magazines aren't adductive and easy to carry around like what exists now, nor did porn have nearly the same effect on the brain as instant video and unlimited ease of access.

Age verification with ID is the first step on the only reasonable path. If someone's worried about being anonymous while watching strangers have sex they should ask themselves why. The companies already know who you are, they don't need to dox you nor do they care. If you're afraid of your family, work, or friend finding out that's usually an indication that you shouldn't be doing it.


I have a 13yo son. Appreciate the lecture on how porn works in the modern era.

Age verification is absolutely the lamest, weakest, absolutely ineffective way to limit the access.

Lots of things on the web have age verification and none of it is "effective".

Addiction to porn is VASTLY over dramatized. It's a convenient excuse for young folk and hard up husbands who get caught by the wife looking at dirty picks and choking their chicken. "It's not my fault honey, it's much purn addiction!"
Much like firearms, introducing legislation to stop it will only keep law-abiding people from using it.

And again, THE SECURITY PROBLEMS WITH ID VERIFICATION. Love how everyone's started talking about God and Christianity and stuff instead of focusing on whether or not ID verification would be a good measure...


Yeah, it'd violate the…uh, which amendment guarantees easy porn access, again?

So what's super funny about this is it would actually address demand for sex trafficking (which libertarians are totally, seriously, really against when they're not getting off on it since that's what a lot of porn is).

There is no set profile for John's - race, age, income, all mixed. But there is a commonality - they're all consuming porn before going to buy. Making it harder to access reduces this. Pimps also record their girls and put it on the inner webs. You pro-porn guys watch more than you think.

So help us fight trafficking and reduce children's consumption. If counties can be dry and it not burden a citizen's rights, surely driving to the local smut shop isn't a big deal - you can stay anonymous.
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I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.
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TA-OP said:

Cons go from not caring what people do in their private bedrooms to outlawing anything that's not straight marital missionary sex. Remind me again about slippery slopes…
The left has created a massive backlash from the fundamentalists. It is easy to see that porn is destructive, but so are most vices in this life. What works for YOU might not work for me.

Self control and personal accountability are >>> than your opinion.

Liberty.
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fka ftc said:

I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.
Methinks this is step 2 of the plan after banning porn...
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fka ftc said:

I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.
Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.
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Ag with kids said:

fka ftc said:

I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.
Methinks this is step 2 of the plan after banning porn...


Oh there's quite a few around here that aren't satisfied with just controlling what happens in the gays' bedrooms.
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Dies Irae said:

fka ftc said:

I typically find these takes come from folks who have struggled with porn addictions or who have otherwise been taught that shame and sexual activity go together.

How about you do you and keep porn out of your life and if you want to fight sex trafficking even better. But if you want to head down this path then I suspect you support bringing back criminal charges for marital infidelity and the like.
Fighting for the criminalization of pornography and increased penalties for prostitution are the best ways to track down on human trafficking possible.


I would argue that legalizing prostitution is the best method to combat human trafficking.
 
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