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Vivek isn't qualified. We have our choice of several governors and senators with proven track records if we're rational enough to look past Trump. There's no reason to take a lark on an unproven quantity. The presidency isn't for rookies. He needs to run for a lesser office and establish himself. I suspect he has no interest in actually putting in that hard work and he's following the Pete Buttigieg playbook of running for president to raise his profile and maybe fail up to a cabinet position.

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I tend to agree in general. What Vivek appears to be is an excellent communicator and effective debater with interesting to excellent policy positions. AND he's not afraid to go on any communication medium to share them.

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I put a marker down several months ago that he's running for press secretary. That's actually a reasonable job for him.

I don't agree he has excellent policy positions. In fact, I don't think he's articulated many coherent policies at all. I don't need him to be Liz Warren, but on the spectrum of
"policy wonk" to "sound bite machine," he's far closer to the latter. Like his comments on the Federal Reserve are just total nonsense. And Taiwan. He's going for the biggest applause lines he can get at a given moment.

If this man can't be elected as POTUS, we are one screwed up bunch.

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I put a marker down several months ago that he's running for press secretary. That's actually a reasonable job for him.

I don't agree he has excellent policy positions. In fact, I don't think he's articulated many coherent policies at all. I don't need him to be Liz Warren, but on the spectrum of
"policy wonk" to "sound bite machine," he's far closer to the latter. Like his comments on the Federal Reserve are just total nonsense. And Taiwan. He's going for the biggest applause lines he can get at a given moment.

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You serious Clark? Care to point to a primary candidate polling at #2 or #3 being awarded the 'primo' job of press secretary?

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I know very little of VR, but I like alot of what he said in that interview with Carlson.

Edit: still a RD guy first, but VR doesn't sounds like a bad alterantive. I admit I know nothing of his past.

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Who is RD?

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Ah...I had forgotten Dasantis. This is him?

Which of the candidates is the least tainted by DC? Which one is the least deep state oriented?

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Depends on what you like. DeSantis was in Congress for 6 years but was a Founder of the Freedom Caucus, voted 99.36% Conservative, and held himself to term limits of 3 terms. His record as FL Governor is the most conservative and anti establishment in modern history.

Vivek is a Pharma guy that made billions in a hedge fund after graduating from school10 years ago, hadn't voted until 2020 but decided he should be President. He also is already showing he speaks very well but has no clue what he is talking about much of the time. Another example:

The thing that is most revealing about Vivek's pronouncements is that he hasn't spent any time actually understanding these issues. He just says what he thinks sounds good and he can sell.

How can you claim to want to prioritize America's interests if you don't understand how… https://t.co/kgm8v6hszG

— AG (@AGHamilton29) August 18, 2023

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What he said, and I think most people would agree with it, is that he isn't in favor of sending Americans to fight and die in a war unless our own vital national interests are at stake.

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Sure, but the way he said it shows he has zero foreign policy experience and understanding of the impact of how he said it.

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What was the way he said it that you are referring to? I've heard him say it in several places and it was basically exactly what I said.

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Read the tweet. It's about how that language is perceived by others. You can say the same thing without encouraging China to invade Taiwan or pissing off Israel. It's just lack of understanding and experience.

This might be the lowest iq, lowest effort post I've seen so far on this site regarding Vivek.

I don't think the polling counts for much this far out from any of the debates or primaries. We can look at past primaries and see plenty of candidates who were the flavor of the month.

And I'll clarify that I'm not saying press secretary is the job Vivek wants, rather it's a job he's qualified to hold.

Tibbers, thanks for answering the age question on the other thread that got deleted for some reason. I assumed you were the same age/generation of Vivek, simply by how passionate you are about him. And that makes sense and I totally respect it.

I'm just a little bit older, in my late 40s, but a different generation with a different mindset and of course more age under my belt. That simply means more experience seeing empty promises and smooth talkers, and being more jaded as a result.

Desantis is my age. He's of my same generational mindset and beliefs. Aggie93 has explained it before very well in multiple posts, the Millenial vs Gen X differences, no need to go into them here.

But anyway, thanks for answering. I really do hope Vivek means what he says, I just need to see him prove it before handing him the keys to the car.

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I know very little of VR, but I like alot of what he said in that interview with Carlson.

Edit: still a RD guy first, but VR doesn't sounds like a bad alterantive. I admit I know nothing of his past.

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Who is RD?

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Ah...I had forgotten Dasantis. This is him?

Which of the candidates is the least tainted by DC? Which one is the least deep state oriented?

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Depends on what you like. DeSantis was in Congress for 6 years but was a Founder of the Freedom Caucus, voted 99.36% Conservative, and held himself to term limits of 3 terms. His record as FL Governor is the most conservative and anti establishment in modern history.

Vivek is a Pharma guy that made billions in a hedge fund after graduating from school10 years ago, hadn't voted until 2020 but decided he should be President. He also is already showing he speaks very well but has no clue what he is talking about much of the time. Another example:

The thing that is most revealing about Vivek's pronouncements is that he hasn't spent any time actually understanding these issues. He just says what he thinks sounds good and he can sell.

How can you claim to want to prioritize America's interests if you don't understand how… https://t.co/kgm8v6hszG

— AG (@AGHamilton29) August 18, 2023

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What he said, and I think most people would agree with it, is that he isn't in favor of sending Americans to fight and die in a war unless our own vital national interests are at stake.

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Sure, but the way he said it shows he has zero foreign policy experience and understanding of the impact of how he said it.

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What was the way he said it that you are referring to? I've heard him say it in several places and it was basically exactly what I said.

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Read the tweet. It's about how that language is perceived by others. You can say the same thing without encouraging China to invade Taiwan or pissing off Israel. It's just lack of understanding and experience.

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It wasn't his tweet. How can he possibly be held responsible for headlines other people write about things he says?

Its clear a guy outside of DC can do great things in the office. V strikes me as a guy who could do same. Only without the tv show infections etc. The party surely needs an infusion of energy and ideas.

Right back at you, I had this whole response typed out and when I hit send, the topic was removed. That's the second Desantis thread that's been removed. Maybe that tells you something about his supporters? Just kidding.

My main reason I like Vivek is I am a big proponent of The Fourth Turning and I think this next decade will be a huge turning point for this country either good or bad. Massive change is what I am banking on. I am also a huge fan of Hayek and Friedman, so is Vivek. I believe incentives matter and removing incentives that promote negative behavior like welfare, affirmative action, DEI, etc are essential to saving this country. Vivek is the best politician I have seen that articulates these points so I will support him win or lose.

I feel like we really are fighting for the soul of this nation. My generation and Gen Z are in dire need for a candidate that can awaken these core principles that many are just too afraid to voice.

Anyway, I appreciate you and thank you for sharing with me where you stand. Just know, we are in this together. I just happen to think the better choice to save this nation is Vivek, but I am going into this process with an open mind. The debates will illuminate all.

Big changes are indeed on the horizon. I'm optimistic.

Vivek did an interview with Simone Sanders, the fat bald former press secretary for Kamala on MSNBC. The guy is gifted at getting his point across and not falling for the trap. Only error I've seen is blaming ICE.

I think Viveks the guy. The Trump/DeSantis feud is creating hostility. Vivek is going to get the votes of whoever drops. I think it'll be Trump and I don't see Trumpers going for DeSantis.

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I know very little of VR, but I like alot of what he said in that interview with Carlson.

Edit: still a RD guy first, but VR doesn't sounds like a bad alterantive. I admit I know nothing of his past.

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Who is RD?

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Ah...I had forgotten Dasantis. This is him?

Which of the candidates is the least tainted by DC? Which one is the least deep state oriented?

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Depends on what you like. DeSantis was in Congress for 6 years but was a Founder of the Freedom Caucus, voted 99.36% Conservative, and held himself to term limits of 3 terms. His record as FL Governor is the most conservative and anti establishment in modern history.

Vivek is a Pharma guy that made billions in a hedge fund after graduating from school10 years ago, hadn't voted until 2020 but decided he should be President. He also is already showing he speaks very well but has no clue what he is talking about much of the time. Another example:

The thing that is most revealing about Vivek's pronouncements is that he hasn't spent any time actually understanding these issues. He just says what he thinks sounds good and he can sell.

How can you claim to want to prioritize America's interests if you don't understand how… https://t.co/kgm8v6hszG

— AG (@AGHamilton29) August 18, 2023

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What he said, and I think most people would agree with it, is that he isn't in favor of sending Americans to fight and die in a war unless our own vital national interests are at stake.

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Sure, but the way he said it shows he has zero foreign policy experience and understanding of the impact of how he said it.

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What was the way he said it that you are referring to? I've heard him say it in several places and it was basically exactly what I said.

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Read the tweet. It's about how that language is perceived by others. You can say the same thing without encouraging China to invade Taiwan or pissing off Israel. It's just lack of understanding and experience.

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It wasn't his tweet. How can he possibly be held responsible for headlines other people write about things he says?

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The tweet is explaining why his QUOTE was foolish. It was just stated with more detail than I did.

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Vivek did an interview with Simone Sanders, the fat bald former press secretary for Kamala on MSNBC. The guy is gifted at getting his point across and not falling for the trap. Only error I've seen is blaming ICE.

I think Viveks the guy. The Trump/DeSantis feud is creating hostility. Vivek is going to get the votes of whoever drops. I think it'll be Trump and I don't see Trumpers going for DeSantis.

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You might want to hope he stays at 3rd for a while. As long as he's not the next closest challenger the Trump poison machine won't try to take him out by any means necessary. As soon as Vivek gets to 2nd, he will be "the establishment candidate".

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Right back at you, I had this whole response typed out and when I hit send, the topic was removed. That's the second Desantis thread that's been removed. Maybe that tells you something about his supporters? Just kidding.

My main reason I like Vivek is I am a big proponent of The Fourth Turning and I think this next decade will be a huge turning point for this country either good or bad. Massive change is what I am banking on. I am also a huge fan of Hayek and Friedman, so is Vivek. I believe incentives matter and removing incentives that promote negative behavior like welfare, affirmative action, DEI, etc is essential to saving this country. Vivek is best politician I have seen that articulates these points so I will support him win or lose as I feel like we really are fighting for the soul of this nation. My generation and Gen Z are in dire need for a candidate that can awaken these core principles that many are just too afraid to voice. Anyway, I appreciate you and thank you for sharing with me where you stand. Just know, we are in this together. I just happen to think the better choice to save this nation is Vivek, but I am going into this process with an open mind. The debates will illuminate all.

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If you are a fan of the Fourth Turning you should know that Gen X is the Generation that is supposed to save us, not Gen Y. For instance Elon Musk is a perfect example of Gen X. Yet you want to skip over Gen X politically and go straight from Boomers to Millennials. Let me guess, you are a Millennial?

Actually the millennial generation is the hero archetype and we are going through the crisis portion of the cycle on our way to the next high point in our nation. Gen X is the nomad generation, meaning reactive to policy not proactive. The hero generation is charged with righting the ship headed for the rocks. The book is fairly explicit on the point of generational conflict and duty. Did you read the book?

Because of that, I look to those who are proponents of major wholesale change. Vivek is the only one talking revolution over reformation. Desantis' plan does not go far enough and if he can't accomplish his goals of let's say, removing the IRS, kicks the can toward congress. I've seen that show with Bush and Trump. That's not good enough for me. Again, just my opinion and I greatly respect yours. Just know we are not far off policy wise even if we are of different ages. I just think there are better ways to go about it than trusting congress to do what needs to be done, because, I mean, how can you?

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Vivek did an interview with Simone Sanders, the fat bald former press secretary for Kamala on MSNBC. The guy is gifted at getting his point across and not falling for the trap. Only error I've seen is blaming ICE.

I think Viveks the guy. The Trump/DeSantis feud is creating hostility. Vivek is going to get the votes of whoever drops. I think it'll be Trump and I don't see Trumpers going for DeSantis.

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Here's one Trumper that will definitely go for DeSantis in the general. Vivek wants to cut funding for Israel. I can't ever vote for that. And for many other reasons.

https://www.amazon.com/Millennials-Rising-Next-Great-Generation/dp/0375707190

Here's another book by the same duo perhaps you should check out as well.

"Per the experience of earlier generations, the coming of age of the Millennial Generation is likely to take place in the midst of a profound shift in America's social mood, a shift that will match and reflect the new generation's persona. For Millennials, this shift will focus on the needs of the community more than the individual, so it is likely to induce large-scale institutional change. Thus, the word rebellion is not entirely appropriate. The word revolution might better catch the spirit of what lies ahead."

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Actually the millennial generation is the hero archetype and we are going through the crisis portion of the cycle on our way to the next high point in our nation. Gen X is the nomad generation, meaning reactive to policy not proactive. The hero generation is charged with righting the ship headed for the rocks. The book is fairly explicit on the point of generational conflict and duty. Did you read the book?

Because of that, I look to those who are proponents of major wholesale change. Vivek is the only one talking revolution over reformation. Desantis' plan does not go far enough and if he can't accomplish his goals of let's say, removing the IRS, kicks the can toward congress. I've seen that show with Bush and Trump. That's not good enough for me. Again, just my opinion and I greatly respect yours. Just know we are not far off policy wise even if we are of different ages. I just think there are better ways to go about it than trusting congress to do what needs to be done, because, I mean, how can you?

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DeSantis is doing anything but "kicking the can towards Congress". He is looking at the actual powers he has and looking to do what he did in Florida on a national scale. He has talked extensively about "levers of power" that can be utilized by the Executive and has been working on that plan for some time with some of the best minds in conservativism. When he won election as Governor in FL he had also studied those levers and utilized them in surgical fashion until he got enough popular support to win the Super Majority he did in '22 and actually make all of his plans become permanent.

Vivek is making so many claims with weak legal justification behind them it's mind boggling though he is also using some of the things DeSantis also is planning to use. The difference is Vivek is so inexperienced and has no real team around him. He also is clearly subservient to Trump and isn't actually planning to win.

I would have a great deal more respect for Vivek if he weren't so arrogant or admitted when he was wrong. I would also respect him if he could admit that DeSantis understands these issues at least as well as he does and has a hell of a lot of real accomplishments to point to while Vivek has only words.

I'll gladly give him a chance if for instance he moved to Texas and wanted to run for Governor or to replace Cornyn, then he could show he can actually deliver on something. He is woefully unprepared for President though and if he was serious (which he isn't) he would get destroyed because of that arrogance and lack of preparation.

I understand your passion for the guy and his appeal, I really do. I just would encourage you to keep your eyes open and look beyond his speeches and don't have so much trust in him that you don't verify the validity of his claims.

These are all your opinions though. Here is what Desantis has said and why I stated he will kick the can toward Congress:

"If Congress will work with me on doing that, we'll be able to reduce the size and scope of government," the Florida governor said in an interview with Fox News' Martha MacCallum. "If Congress won't go that far, I'm going to use those agencies to push back against woke ideology and against the leftism that we see creeping into all institutions of American life."

In his stance on removing the IRS he clearly states that well, it's up to congress to do so and if they don't, he will weaponize the IRS to combat woke ideology. It's time we go beyond weaponizing these levers of power and remove them. Will there be lawsuits in doing so? Of course, will it go to the Supreme Court? You bet. Will we win that battle? Time will tell, but the court favors that outcome.

I appreciate your opinions, but much like you were incorrect about what the Fourth Turning dictates, I believe you are also wrong about Vivek. The debates, in my mind, will further exemplify this. However, no one knows for certain which is why this is such an exciting time to be an American. The groundswell for great change is upon us and it's going to be really fun, challenging and illuminating to see play out.

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These are all your opinions though. Here is what Desantis has said and why I stated he will kick the can toward Congress:

"If Congress will work with me on doing that, we'll be able to reduce the size and scope of government," the Florida governor said in an interview with Fox News' Martha MacCallum. "If Congress won't go that far, I'm going to use those agencies to push back against woke ideology and against the leftism that we see creeping into all institutions of American life."

In his stance on removing the IRS he clearly states that well, it's up to congress to do so and if they don't, he will weaponize the IRS to combat woke ideology. It's time we go beyond weaponizing these levers of power and remove them. Will there be lawsuits in doing so? Of course, will it go to the Supreme Court? You bet. Will we win that battle? Time will tell, but the court favors that outcome.

I appreciate your opinions, but much like you were incorrect about what the Fourth Turning dictates, I believe you are also wrong about Vivek. The debates, in my mind, will further exemplify this. However, no one knows for certain which is why this is such an exciting time to be an American. The groundswell for great change is upon us and it's going to be really fun, challenging and illuminating to see play out.

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You left out all the times DeSantis has spoken about weaponizing the Executive to it's fullest extent to fight back and utilizing the levers of power within it. Obviously utilizing Congress is the best method but it is just one method.

If you think Vivek can magically eliminate the IRS btw without Congress that means you either don't understand the law or you want a true Revolution where we just scrap everything and the country falls apart. If you think a guy that is a Hedge Fund manager who made a lot of money in Pharma is going to lead that Revolution I mean that's your call but be prepared to be disappointed.

The problem with saying the Millennials are the Fourth Turning is they as a Generation don't have any of the characteristics of a Hero Generation, you are literally the most privileged Generation in history and are culturally very similar to the Boomers. You guys were special snowflakes who introduced words like triggering. I got into at least half a dozen fist fights at school growing up and I was a "good" kid. You were coddled and sheltered, we were latch key kids. Your generation is filled with people that still live at home with their parents and think the world has been mean to them, our generation knew no one gave a damn and that we had to make our own way. I mean do you seriously look at Millennials as having "Rising Civic Engagement, Improving Behavior, and Collective Confidence" which are the hallmarks of a Fourth Turning?

Unfortunately Boomers and Millennials outnumber the Xers and always have and thus even though Gen X is the most conservative by far and has produced tremendous intellectual, technology, and government leaders. Unfortunately there just aren't enough of us. We have been fighting and will continue to though until the end.

A simple, I was incorrect would have sufficed. Instead you devolve into, "well yeah I was wrong but the book is wrong too so it doesn't matter."

Anyway, this is getting off topic. I appreciate your opinion. Let's instead of bickering get back to the main focus and that is the best way to steer the nation from the rocks. I will be watching the debates with great excitement and I'm sure you will be too. May the best man and best ideas win!

When is the first debate?

tia

The 23rd

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A simple, I was incorrect would have sufficed. Instead you devolve into, "well yeah I was wrong but the book is wrong too so it doesn't matter."

Anyway, this is getting off topic. I appreciate your opinion. Let's instead of bickering get back to the main focus and that is the best way to steer the nation from the rocks. I will be watching the debates with great excitement and I'm sure you will be too. May the best man and best ideas win!

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I agree with the principle of the book I disagree with the timelines. The Gen X generation much more closely fits the characteristics of the Hero Generation. I'll agree that the book considers Millennials the right timeline though so happy to admit that.

Speaking of the debate, any thoughts on this?

The most predictable development of the cycle. pic.twitter.com/JLqGeX254B

— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) August 19, 2023

Both statements are true. He isn't the Trump of 2016 and Vivek is fine with him not showing to debate.

No offense to any Millenial to which the following doesn't apply. I freely admit I haven't read the book in reference above, but if Millenials are the "Hero Generation"....well, we're ****ed.

I'm a Gen Xer and virtually all of the younger workers in my office are Millenials. With the exception of one of them, none of them have attributes I would list for a Hero who's going to lift a nation out of the doldrums and get it back on the track to prominence. Hell, if we had to go to war right now and these kids were drafted, we might as well throw in the towel before we even started.

I'm not trying start another discussion on generations here, lord knows we have enough of those on F16 already. But I'm just saying that Vivek does typify a Millenial to me, and I'm sorry but Millenials right now are not ready to lead a nation and get it back on track.

He needs more seasoning.

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He needs more seasoning.

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I know very little of VR, but I like alot of what he said in that interview with Carlson.

Edit: still a RD guy first, but VR doesn't sounds like a bad alterantive. I admit I know nothing of his past.

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Ah...I had forgotten Dasantis. This is him?

Which of the candidates is the least tainted by DC? Which one is the least deep state oriented?

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Depends on what you like. DeSantis was in Congress for 6 years but was a Founder of the Freedom Caucus, voted 99.36% Conservative, and held himself to term limits of 3 terms. His record as FL Governor is the most conservative and anti establishment in modern history.

Vivek is a Pharma guy that made billions in a hedge fund after graduating from school10 years ago, hadn't voted until 2020 but decided he should be President. He also is already showing he speaks very well but has no clue what he is talking about much of the time. Another example:

The thing that is most revealing about Vivek's pronouncements is that he hasn't spent any time actually understanding these issues. He just says what he thinks sounds good and he can sell.

How can you claim to want to prioritize America's interests if you don't understand how… https://t.co/kgm8v6hszG

— AG (@AGHamilton29) August 18, 2023

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What he said, and I think most people would agree with it, is that he isn't in favor of sending Americans to fight and die in a war unless our own vital national interests are at stake.

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Sure, but the way he said it shows he has zero foreign policy experience and understanding of the impact of how he said it.

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What was the way he said it that you are referring to? I've heard him say it in several places and it was basically exactly what I said.

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Read the tweet. It's about how that language is perceived by others. You can say the same thing without encouraging China to invade Taiwan or pissing off Israel. It's just lack of understanding and experience.

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It wasn't his tweet. How can he possibly be held responsible for headlines other people write about things he says?

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The tweet is explaining why his QUOTE was foolish. It was just stated with more detail than I did.

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Maybe I'm just confused because the tweet doesn't either include or reference direct quotes from him and at least in what I have read and heard from him paints an inaccurate picture.

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No offense to any Millenial to which the following doesn't apply. I freely admit I haven't read the book in reference above, but if Millenials are the "Hero Generation"....well, we're ****ed.

I'm a Gen Xer and virtually all of the younger workers in my office are Millenials. With the exception of one of them, none of them have attributes I would list for a Hero who's going to lift a nation out of the doldrums and get it back on the track to prominence. Hell, if we had to go to war right now and these kids were drafted, we might as well throw in the towel before we even started.

I'm not trying start another discussion on generations here, lord knows we have enough of those on F16 already. But I'm just saying that Vivek does typify a Millenial to me, and I'm sorry but Millenials right now are not ready to lead a nation and get it back on track.

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In what way does Vivek typify millennials?

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No offense to any Millenial to which the following doesn't apply. I freely admit I haven't read the book in reference above, but if Millenials are the "Hero Generation"....well, we're ****ed.

I'm a Gen Xer and virtually all of the younger workers in my office are Millenials. With the exception of one of them, none of them have attributes I would list for a Hero who's going to lift a nation out of the doldrums and get it back on the track to prominence. Hell, if we had to go to war right now and these kids were drafted, we might as well throw in the towel before we even started.

I'm not trying start another discussion on generations here, lord knows we have enough of those on F16 already. But I'm just saying that Vivek does typify a Millenial to me, and I'm sorry but Millenials right now are not ready to lead a nation and get it back on track.

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In what way does Vivek typify millennials?

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Vivek is a typical millennial because he is a self-made billionaire, married to an actual medical doctor, loving husband and father, well spoken, loves this Country, bold policy positions and freely speaks his mind whilst also being a respectful listener. You know... typical millennial.

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I know very little of VR, but I like alot of what he said in that interview with Carlson.

Edit: still a RD guy first, but VR doesn't sounds like a bad alterantive. I admit I know nothing of his past.

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Who is RD?

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Ah...I had forgotten Dasantis. This is him?

Which of the candidates is the least tainted by DC? Which one is the least deep state oriented?

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Depends on what you like. DeSantis was in Congress for 6 years but was a Founder of the Freedom Caucus, voted 99.36% Conservative, and held himself to term limits of 3 terms. His record as FL Governor is the most conservative and anti establishment in modern history.

Vivek is a Pharma guy that made billions in a hedge fund after graduating from school10 years ago, hadn't voted until 2020 but decided he should be President. He also is already showing he speaks very well but has no clue what he is talking about much of the time. Another example:

The thing that is most revealing about Vivek's pronouncements is that he hasn't spent any time actually understanding these issues. He just says what he thinks sounds good and he can sell.

How can you claim to want to prioritize America's interests if you don't understand how… https://t.co/kgm8v6hszG

— AG (@AGHamilton29) August 18, 2023

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What he said, and I think most people would agree with it, is that he isn't in favor of sending Americans to fight and die in a war unless our own vital national interests are at stake.

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Sure, but the way he said it shows he has zero foreign policy experience and understanding of the impact of how he said it.

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What was the way he said it that you are referring to? I've heard him say it in several places and it was basically exactly what I said.

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Read the tweet. It's about how that language is perceived by others. You can say the same thing without encouraging China to invade Taiwan or pissing off Israel. It's just lack of understanding and experience.

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It wasn't his tweet. How can he possibly be held responsible for headlines other people write about things he says?

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The tweet is explaining why his QUOTE was foolish. It was just stated with more detail than I did.

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Maybe I'm just confused because the tweet doesn't either include or reference direct quotes from him and at least in what I have read and heard from him paints an inaccurate picture.

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The tweet references 2 articles on Vivek's quotes in regards to Taiwan and Israel and how his statements are being interpreted by two countries that are strong allies. Then here is the analysis:

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The thing that is most revealing about Vivek's pronouncements is that he hasn't spent any time actually understanding these issues. He just says what he thinks sounds good and he can sell.

How can you claim to want to prioritize America's interests if you don't understand how those interests would be affected by your proposals?

Does he understand the impact of publicly announcing he plans to abandon Taiwan once we are building enough of our own microchips? Does he understand the incentives that creates for Taiwan, China, and companies investing there? how that impacts deterrence capability in the near future?

Does he realize that we haven't provided Israel any economic aid in years? Does he know what we get in exchange for the current military aid? Has he considered the impact on his ability to secure more Abraham accords with such an announcement?

The answer to all of those things is clearly no. Now many voters don't care about FP specifics, but it's indicative of his approach across the board. It's a sales job without substance.

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