I like him alot. He's hyper intelligent and a good orator with quick wit, so he's going to come off extremely well.

I need to research his ACTIONS in private sector.

If he's real then he could be my #1 but I'm Team DeSantis and then Trump until I know otherwise.

I'm tried of Boomer politics so give me young fresh blood.

The debates are not debates. They are questions and canned answers. I know Trumps position. I don't need to hear it all again.

Let the new kids have the time and spotlight. Trump can engage when a front runner comes forward.

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VR is media savvy and knows how to exploit it better than the rest.

He has command of the alternative media, he's using LinkedIn, X and YouTube to get to the youth vote and he's catching on with them. They don't care about your religion or your diet.

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"I am a Christian and so will only vote for a fellow-Christian" is so 1950s. The world has moved on and become less racist and less intolerant. I see so many caucasians and Christians supporting Vivek. That shows America's modern thinking.

Think he a great candidate , he could sky rocket , very few people know anything about him - Go back and review some YouTube on him , very impressive .

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VR is media savvy and knows how to exploit it better than the rest.

He has command of the alternative media, he's using LinkedIn, X and YouTube to get to the youth vote and he's catching on with them. They don't care about your religion or your diet.

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"I am a Christian and so will only vote for a fellow-Christian" is so 1950s. The world has moved on and become less racist and less intolerant. I see so many caucasians and Christians supporting Vivek. That shows America's modern thinking.

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Vivek is not a Christian, he's openly Hindu.

ETA: unless I misunderstood your post…

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Vivek has responded directly these attacks many times.

a tweet from april 2020 about masks
a scholarship in college that had soros name on it
WEF putting him on a website

he's got great explanations for all of those half-baked attacks on him.

most recently he was attacked for a comment he made on 9/11 and he had a great explanation for that too.

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Exactly, he's got the gift of gab and can sweet talk his way out of any position that he's taken in the past. He's a born politician!

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This is the first I've seen the name. I like what he is saying. I don't think the DEM will let up.

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lol, how is this the first you've seen of his name on this forum? it's literally posted 1 out of 8 threads. Get away from the aliens and back to the real world man!!

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Yeah, not much into politics...there are clearly far more important issues in the real world. Trust me.

Fair enough!

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Vivek has responded directly these attacks many times.

a tweet from april 2020 about masks
a scholarship in college that had soros name on it
WEF putting him on a website

he's got great explanations for all of those half-baked attacks on him.

most recently he was attacked for a comment he made on 9/11 and he had a great explanation for that too.

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Exactly, he's got the gift of gab and can sweet talk his way out of any position that he's taken in the past. He's a born politician!

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Did you listen to his sweet talk though? His tweet about buying masks in 2020 was because he was skeptical of fauci's flip-flopping and telling everyone not to buy masks and the timing lines up. The couple grand scholarship he got when he was 19 or 20 yrs old - he had applied for many scholarships and didn't know who Paul Soros (not George Soros) was and never met him or had any contact with him. The WEF put him on a website without permission and he asked them to remove it because he didn't want to be associated with them. He's very quick and smart so he could just be BSing his way out of anything, but he still doesn't come across as a globalist George Soros or Klaus Schwab stooge in disguise as his attackers are trying to paint him. He seems to have a genuine vision for America that is good for Americans.

I don't think he's an AOC in disguise, but I think all that he is right now is talk. Literally, that's all he has. And talk is cheap, and he can say literally whatever he wants. Could he pan out? Sure. But there's already a candidate in the race who's running on virtually the same platform as Vivek (who actually starting running on this platform before Vivek swooped in with catchy slogans) and actually has verifiable results to back up his talk. In fact its not talk for this other candidate, he's been living it and walking the walk since waaaaay before Vivek woke up one morning and decided he wanted to be President.

I keep hearing "Just listen to this speech"....talk is just that, talk. Simply hearing more of it doesn't make it any more substantial.

Republican 2024 White House hopeful @VivekGRamaswamy recently denied ever supporting a Bernie Sanders bill to use taxpayer dollars for free COVID-19 mask handouts — despite calling it "sensible" at the time in 2020.https://t.co/ugDqM9AeUN

— Gabe Kaminsky (@gekaminsky) August 18, 2023

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VR is media savvy and knows how to exploit it better than the rest.

He has command of the alternative media, he's using LinkedIn, X and YouTube to get to the youth vote and he's catching on with them. They don't care about your religion or your diet.

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"I am a Christian and so will only vote for a fellow-Christian" is so 1950s. The world has moved on and become less racist and less intolerant. I see so many caucasians and Christians supporting Vivek. That shows America's modern thinking.

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Vivek is not a Christian, he's openly Hindu.

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I know that and I appreciate and admire him for that. Unlike that coward Bobby Jindal who converted so he could run for office.



My point is that people in America today are less and less worrying about the religion of the candidate. They are more willing to vote for a good candidate who has good ideas and is honest than just look at race/religion. In this respect, we are moving in the right direction. Several top CEOs are Indian. Why? Because they best people for the job, and companies didn't just pick a regulation white male because "that's how it supposed to be".

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I don't think he's an AOC in disguise, but I think all that he is right now is talk. Literally, that's all he has. And talk is cheap, and he can say literally whatever he wants. Could he pan out? Sure. But there's already a candidate in the race who's running on virtually the same platform as Vivek (who actually starting running on this platform before Vivek swooped in with catchy slogans) and actually has verifiable results to back up his talk. In fact its not talk for this other candidate, he's been living it and walking the walk since waaaaay before Vivek woke up one morning and decided he wanted to be President.

I keep hearing "Just listen to this speech"....talk is just that, talk. Simply hearing more of it doesn't make it any more substantial.

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This. I love what he says, but let me see a track record first.

Interesting in that he knows the truth or at least some of it, regarding 9/11.

Perhaps he is simply the flavor of the month. Perhaps not..could make things much more interesting.

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I was a Trump voter the last 2 elections. The first time I wasn't sure about it, but was a never Hillary voter. If you're of a similar bent, pay close attention to Ramaswamy. The more I hear him talk the more I like him. As a bonus, we's pretty inoffensive. I'll vote for Trump again if he's the nominee, but we could use a break from the drama of reality TV politics.

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Vivek is great until you actually look under the covers and realize that he is mostly great at sounding like he knows what he is talking about but doesn't. He's already been proven wrong on several of his big statements he has spoken about with confidence. So he is either naive or he is a snake oil salesman that knows he is lying to you.

Or you can choose to believe that a guy who is 10 years out of school and made his money as a hedge fund manager and in Pharma and didn't vote until a few years ago is actually a true Constitutional scholar that is just smarter than everyone else even though he has no one on his team that has credibility.

I like Vivek and want him to get be able to show how he can make some of his ideas work but handing over the keys as the most powerful person on Earth is a terrible idea.

I checked the daily tracker poll and

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Almost at 8%. Once the debates are over, I can easily see him get to 15%.

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Yeah, that guy is just a Trump shill who likes Vivek because he is not challenging Trump but instead going after Trump's opponents for him.

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all that he is right now is talk. Literally, that's all he has. And talk is cheap, and he can say literally whatever he wants.

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that's where the Obama comparisons are coming from. great orator. gift of gab. a nobody to celebrity real quick based on smooth talking, hitting all the right buttons with all the right words. ...but where obama's socialist smooth talk was empty "hope for change" without much detail, Vivek's revolution talk seems to get very detailed and specific - from foreign policy to permanent government bureaucratic reform.

I know very little of VR, but I like alot of what he said in that interview with Carlson.

Edit: still a RD guy first, but VR doesn't sounds like a bad alterantive. I admit I know nothing of his past.

Long way to go, but so far I have DeSantis, then Vivek, but I'm also excited to see how Scott and Haley do vs them in the first R primary next week. I don't really care what Burgum, Pence or Christie have to say.

Vivek is being sued by 2 former employees, who allege they were pressured to violate securities law

One plaintiff's attorney says Vivek's firm “was founded, in retrospect, largely as a PR mechanism for the presidential campaign of Ramaswamy”https://t.co/JBvgQBjMla

— John Hasson (@SonofHas) August 18, 2023

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But two former employees have filed lawsuits in recent months against the investment firm as well as Ramaswamy and his co-founder Anson Frericks that suggest practices at the company were something less than that. They accuse Ramaswamy and Frericks of aggressively pushing employees to violate securities law and of mistreating staff. They also suggest that the company has struggled to meet lofty growth goals for its "anti-ESG" investments.

Christopher Lenzo, a lawyer for plaintiff Joyce Rosely, said the two suits raised questions about Ramaswamy's seriousness as an asset manager. "Not a lot of thought was given to running it as an investment firm."

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I know very little of VR, but I like alot of what he said in that interview with Carlson.

Edit: still a RD guy first, but VR doesn't sounds like a bad alterantive. I admit I know nothing of his past.

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Vivek has a checkered past that not many people have taken the time to investigate. He was all on board with COVID shutdowns and made money hand over fist bc of it. I think he has served as Trumps attack dog on DeSantis to drive interest away from RD. I have serious questions about his true background/core political beliefs. RD is a known commodity that has been elected for multiple positions and is a proven winner

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Then, why hasn't DeSantis done better?

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I know very little of VR, but I like alot of what he said in that interview with Carlson.

Edit: still a RD guy first, but VR doesn't sounds like a bad alterantive. I admit I know nothing of his past.

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I know very little of VR, but I like alot of what he said in that interview with Carlson.

Edit: still a RD guy first, but VR doesn't sounds like a bad alterantive. I admit I know nothing of his past.

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Ah...I had forgotten Dasantis. This is him?

Which of the candidates is the least tainted by DC? Which one is the least deep state oriented?

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I know very little of VR, but I like alot of what he said in that interview with Carlson.

Edit: still a RD guy first, but VR doesn't sounds like a bad alterantive. I admit I know nothing of his past.

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Ah...I had forgotten Dasantis. This is him?

Which of the candidates is the least tainted by DC? Which one is the least deep state oriented?

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Lol, ok, you had us going for a while. You did good because you slow played your troll act. But you just couldn't help yourself. You refused to leave the table while you were ahead. And now you've blown your cover. That's ok, just re-up with a new sock and try again in a couple of months.

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I know very little of VR, but I like alot of what he said in that interview with Carlson.

Edit: still a RD guy first, but VR doesn't sounds like a bad alterantive. I admit I know nothing of his past.

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Which of the candidates is the least tainted by DC? Which one is the least deep state oriented?

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Depends on what you like. DeSantis was in Congress for 6 years but was a Founder of the Freedom Caucus, voted 99.36% Conservative, and held himself to term limits of 3 terms. His record as FL Governor is the most conservative and anti establishment in modern history.

Vivek is a Pharma guy that made billions in a hedge fund after graduating from school10 years ago, hadn't voted until 2020 but decided he should be President. He also is already showing he speaks very well but has no clue what he is talking about much of the time. Another example:

The thing that is most revealing about Vivek's pronouncements is that he hasn't spent any time actually understanding these issues. He just says what he thinks sounds good and he can sell.

How can you claim to want to prioritize America's interests if you don't understand how… https://t.co/kgm8v6hszG

— AG (@AGHamilton29) August 18, 2023

Here's an old primer on him.
https://www.dossier.today/p/vetting-vivek-ramaswamy

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I know very little of VR, but I like alot of what he said in that interview with Carlson.

Edit: still a RD guy first, but VR doesn't sounds like a bad alterantive. I admit I know nothing of his past.

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Ah...I had forgotten Dasantis. This is him?

Which of the candidates is the least tainted by DC? Which one is the least deep state oriented?

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Lol, ok, you had us going for a while. You did good because you slow played your troll act. But you just couldn't help yourself. You refused to leave the table while you were ahead. And now you've blown your cover. That's ok, just re-up with a new sock and try again in a couple of months.

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I must admit, RD didn't connect. When I saw the pic he finally came to mind. Which is getting older..lol That guy still doesnt look like Dasantis though. Not that much from what I've seen.

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I know very little of VR, but I like alot of what he said in that interview with Carlson.

Edit: still a RD guy first, but VR doesn't sounds like a bad alterantive. I admit I know nothing of his past.

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Who is RD?

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Ah...I had forgotten Dasantis. This is him?

Which of the candidates is the least tainted by DC? Which one is the least deep state oriented?

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Lol, ok, you had us going for a while. You did good because you slow played your troll act. But you just couldn't help yourself. You refused to leave the table while you were ahead. And now you've blown your cover. That's ok, just re-up with a new sock and try again in a couple of months.

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I must admit, RD didn't connect. When I saw the pic he finally came to mind. Which is getting older..lol That guy still doesnt look like Dasantis though. Not that much from what I've seen.

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Ah, well, I get that. Desantis is known for changing his appearance a lot. Here he is with facial hair.



Here he is from his younger college days...



He took a foreign tour recently to promote business in Florida. Here he was in Italy, again with facial hair...



And you moght have read he was in the military. Attached to a Navy Seal team. Special forces are allowed to wear unusual hair styles, FYI.

I love that a thread about Vivek is riddled with Desantis supporters trying to prop up their guy and attack their opponents. It's kind of funny. Can't wait for the debate.

lol...

I thought Vivek explained very well how the dynamics and the calculus changes if China invades Taiwan before we can achieve semiconductor independence vs after (around 2028). He didn't say he wants to just let them take Taiwan in 2028.