cevans_40 said:
Nope, its you and yours
cevans_40 said:Nope, its you and yoursPhatbob said:I know a lot of people will agree with you, but at this point, the favorite to be the nominee does not share your desire for unity. Or maybe he does and he just really sucks at it. Either way, the largest obstacle to unity is not the people he is hitting in the back of the head with a bat, it's him. As much as we might want it to not be true, party unity will never be possible with Trump, and it is his fault.aggieforester05 said:I'm not talking about self described moderates or independents, I'm talking about conservatives. Those that will not vote for Trump if he's the nominee are no better than those that will not vote for DeSantis if Trump is not the nominee. I'd much prefer DeSantis and think Trump is largely responsible for the division between Republicans right now. That being said, I'm sure as hell voting for him in the general if he wins the primary, because getting the Democrats out of the executive branch is paramount to our continued existence as a nation of rule and law. It is extremely foolish for any conservative to not show up to vote against the Democrats in the general election. If you can't galvanize the conservative base around one candidate in the general moderates and independents are irrelevant because you're going to lose anyway. This is exactly what the Democrats and their media sycophants want and why they're stoking the fire between Republican factions.Phatbob said:It still is a sell. It's a much tougher sell to people in the "middle" who see both candidates as insane. Like it or not, on the right if you can't convince your ENTIRE base to vote for you, then you sure as hell aren't going to convince anyone else.aggieforester05 said:If neverTrumpers or onlyTrumpers sit out the general election or vote for Biden because their guy didn't win the primary, then they are doing so with full knowledge that their decision will likely result in an incompetent, corrupt, and moronic Biden administration setting our national path forward for the next four years. They will bear a large part of the responsibility for that just as they did for the 2020 election. Once the primary is over, it's time for the infighting to end and for conservatives to come together to do everything possible to keep the scum bag Democrat from winning.Phatbob said:LOL, okay, so pointing out that the offering is a turd sandwich is the reason for the loss, not the... turd sandwich that people don't want to eat? Rationalize it however makes you feel best, I guess, but I keep hearing that if DeSantis can't win the primary, that's his own fault. Fine, and that may be true, but don't then turn around and blame anyone but Trump for his own losses.cevans_40 said:
You TDS folks better hope he doesn't win the primary. You guys have married yourselves to Never Trumpers and will have to endure 4 more years of lunacy, in large part, due to your own actions. I just hope you are prepared to suffer in silence until 2028 because I don't want to hear your *****ing because its your own fault.
You may not like the other guy in the primary, but I can assure you that Republican administration will not negatively impact your life to anywhere near the extreme that another four years of this **** show will. It's time conservatives take personal responsibility at the ballot box and weigh their choices carefully in both the primary and the general. Vote your conscience in the primary and for your survival/lifestyle in the general. No one will ever have their perfect candidate if voting based on the issues alone.
I can't believe we have conservatives sitting back and doing nothing and letting Biden win because they either don't like Trump or only like Trump. This is the exact outcome the scum bag liberals want and playing their game is letting them win. Yes Trump should be the first one to cut this **** out.
Funky Winkerbean said:
Well, if Mr Flipkowski the admitted troll said it, it has to be true. TDS has ruined you.
We look forward to your concern.Quote:
I'm so sick of this board
MalePTAPrez said:Funky Winkerbean said:
Well, if Mr Flipkowski the admitted troll said it, it has to be true. TDS has ruined you.
I'm so sick of this board and comments like this about conservatives now having TDS.
Get over it. Everyone is TIRED of his **** and ready to move on. How hard is that for you to understand.
Non trump but also conservative voters understand (even if he were to somehow win the nomination or the general) that we will find ourselves in a similar situation in 2028 as we are now. A country divided and hyper partisanship.
I'm all for throwing haymakers at the dems but we need to beat them intelligently and find a new younger horse to lead us there.
It's really that simple.
Trump wins the primary? Sure. I'll vote for him. But I don't feel anywhere near confident he would win in the general election.
Mofo just needs to go fade into the sunset and enjoy the fruits of his biz labor. But we know that's not gonna happen.
I am very conservative fiscally. Mid 30s and enjoy some socially liberal oks joe Rogan-esq. but GT absolute FOH with telling fellow conservatives they have TDS.
I'm over it and many more will join me in that sentiment.
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Nope, its you and yours
Gigem314 said:Again, you're misrepresenting what's happening. Trump isn't trying to put DeSantis in jail. Trump isn't trying to remove DeSantis from his current office. Trump is trying to attack the image of DeSantis so he can win the nomination. Huge difference from 'destroying' someone...or destroying conservatives as a whole. It's child's play compared to what Christie is trying to do to Trump.Phatbob said:Look, I understand politics is a dirty game and you say things during a campaign that are just to win. But when the person who I'm supposed to be pissed off that he is being destroyed is also trying to destroy other conservatives, my "give a shyte" capacity goes down. Why would I support someone who is trying to destroy conservatives just because he has an R next to his name?Gigem314 said:It's not permanent destruction. It's petty politics. I didn't care for Trump going after Ted Cruz in 2016 either...this is the equivalent of that. People shouldn't be surprised by this.Phatbob said:
This is not just "out-campaigning". This is an outright stated goal of permanent destruction. We are constantly told on this board that we should not be disparaging Trump when we point out his shortcomings, because he might be the nominee. There is 1 person in this race who is out to destroy conservatives. Again, I get sick of people pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining.
Permanent destruction is what you see the Dems attempting to by putting Trump in prison.
You want to see real destruction of conservatives? See what the Democrats are doing. See what the establishment Republicans are doing by wagging their finger at conservative voters, telling us to temper our expectations, and pushing for us to go back to the way things were in the party prior to 2016.
— Not the Bee (@Not_the_Bee) August 16, 2023
The Banned said:cevans_40 said:Nope, its you and yoursPhatbob said:I know a lot of people will agree with you, but at this point, the favorite to be the nominee does not share your desire for unity. Or maybe he does and he just really sucks at it. Either way, the largest obstacle to unity is not the people he is hitting in the back of the head with a bat, it's him. As much as we might want it to not be true, party unity will never be possible with Trump, and it is his fault.aggieforester05 said:I'm not talking about self described moderates or independents, I'm talking about conservatives. Those that will not vote for Trump if he's the nominee are no better than those that will not vote for DeSantis if Trump is not the nominee. I'd much prefer DeSantis and think Trump is largely responsible for the division between Republicans right now. That being said, I'm sure as hell voting for him in the general if he wins the primary, because getting the Democrats out of the executive branch is paramount to our continued existence as a nation of rule and law. It is extremely foolish for any conservative to not show up to vote against the Democrats in the general election. If you can't galvanize the conservative base around one candidate in the general moderates and independents are irrelevant because you're going to lose anyway. This is exactly what the Democrats and their media sycophants want and why they're stoking the fire between Republican factions.Phatbob said:It still is a sell. It's a much tougher sell to people in the "middle" who see both candidates as insane. Like it or not, on the right if you can't convince your ENTIRE base to vote for you, then you sure as hell aren't going to convince anyone else.aggieforester05 said:If neverTrumpers or onlyTrumpers sit out the general election or vote for Biden because their guy didn't win the primary, then they are doing so with full knowledge that their decision will likely result in an incompetent, corrupt, and moronic Biden administration setting our national path forward for the next four years. They will bear a large part of the responsibility for that just as they did for the 2020 election. Once the primary is over, it's time for the infighting to end and for conservatives to come together to do everything possible to keep the scum bag Democrat from winning.Phatbob said:LOL, okay, so pointing out that the offering is a turd sandwich is the reason for the loss, not the... turd sandwich that people don't want to eat? Rationalize it however makes you feel best, I guess, but I keep hearing that if DeSantis can't win the primary, that's his own fault. Fine, and that may be true, but don't then turn around and blame anyone but Trump for his own losses.cevans_40 said:
You TDS folks better hope he doesn't win the primary. You guys have married yourselves to Never Trumpers and will have to endure 4 more years of lunacy, in large part, due to your own actions. I just hope you are prepared to suffer in silence until 2028 because I don't want to hear your *****ing because its your own fault.
You may not like the other guy in the primary, but I can assure you that Republican administration will not negatively impact your life to anywhere near the extreme that another four years of this **** show will. It's time conservatives take personal responsibility at the ballot box and weigh their choices carefully in both the primary and the general. Vote your conscience in the primary and for your survival/lifestyle in the general. No one will ever have their perfect candidate if voting based on the issues alone.
I can't believe we have conservatives sitting back and doing nothing and letting Biden win because they either don't like Trump or only like Trump. This is the exact outcome the scum bag liberals want and playing their game is letting them win. Yes Trump should be the first one to cut this **** out.
Trump publicly trashed desantis days before his governor election. Trump threatened to let out extremely embarrassing evidence against desantis if he tried to run. He and many of his supporters called "desanctimonious" disloyal before he even announced. And you think it's the desantis side that's harming party unity?
Fine then, it will be people who cannot grasp the depth and impact of Trump's accomplishments his first term and focus solely on mean / "fing returded" tweets and 'decorum'.Phatbob said:
I assure you, it will not be because of DeSantis supporters. Trump has alienated way more than just them.
Then is it not Trump's job to convince that 60% of the country that will never vote for him to change their minds? How is he going to do that by doing the exact same thing he's been doing?fka ftc said:Fine then, it will be people who cannot grasp the depth and impact of Trump's accomplishments his first term and focus solely on mean / "fing returded" tweets and 'decorum'.Phatbob said:
I assure you, it will not be because of DeSantis supporters. Trump has alienated way more than just them.
Trump's antics can piss me off as well from time to time, but he was more effective in bringing change to DC and shining light on the swampiness - even if he never "lock(ed) her up", spent too much money, made mistakes with COVID and surrounded himself with a few swamp critters.
fka ftc said:Fine then, it will be people who cannot grasp the depth and impact of Trump's accomplishments his first term and focus solely on mean / "fing returded" tweets and 'decorum'.Phatbob said:
I assure you, it will not be because of DeSantis supporters. Trump has alienated way more than just them.
Trump's antics can piss me off as well from time to time, but he was more effective in bringing change to DC and shining light on the swampiness - even if he never "lock(ed) her up", spent too much money, made mistakes with COVID and surrounded himself with a few swamp critters.
I think at this point you know what you are getting with Trump so what purpose does him spending time "convincing" people to like him? That's changing stripes on the tiger.Phatbob said:Then is it not Trump's job to convince that 60% of the country that will never vote for him to change their minds? How is he going to do that by doing the exact same thing he's been doing?fka ftc said:Fine then, it will be people who cannot grasp the depth and impact of Trump's accomplishments his first term and focus solely on mean / "fing returded" tweets and 'decorum'.Phatbob said:
I assure you, it will not be because of DeSantis supporters. Trump has alienated way more than just them.
Trump's antics can piss me off as well from time to time, but he was more effective in bringing change to DC and shining light on the swampiness - even if he never "lock(ed) her up", spent too much money, made mistakes with COVID and surrounded himself with a few swamp critters.
aggieforester05 said:The Banned said:cevans_40 said:Nope, its you and yoursPhatbob said:I know a lot of people will agree with you, but at this point, the favorite to be the nominee does not share your desire for unity. Or maybe he does and he just really sucks at it. Either way, the largest obstacle to unity is not the people he is hitting in the back of the head with a bat, it's him. As much as we might want it to not be true, party unity will never be possible with Trump, and it is his fault.aggieforester05 said:I'm not talking about self described moderates or independents, I'm talking about conservatives. Those that will not vote for Trump if he's the nominee are no better than those that will not vote for DeSantis if Trump is not the nominee. I'd much prefer DeSantis and think Trump is largely responsible for the division between Republicans right now. That being said, I'm sure as hell voting for him in the general if he wins the primary, because getting the Democrats out of the executive branch is paramount to our continued existence as a nation of rule and law. It is extremely foolish for any conservative to not show up to vote against the Democrats in the general election. If you can't galvanize the conservative base around one candidate in the general moderates and independents are irrelevant because you're going to lose anyway. This is exactly what the Democrats and their media sycophants want and why they're stoking the fire between Republican factions.Phatbob said:It still is a sell. It's a much tougher sell to people in the "middle" who see both candidates as insane. Like it or not, on the right if you can't convince your ENTIRE base to vote for you, then you sure as hell aren't going to convince anyone else.aggieforester05 said:If neverTrumpers or onlyTrumpers sit out the general election or vote for Biden because their guy didn't win the primary, then they are doing so with full knowledge that their decision will likely result in an incompetent, corrupt, and moronic Biden administration setting our national path forward for the next four years. They will bear a large part of the responsibility for that just as they did for the 2020 election. Once the primary is over, it's time for the infighting to end and for conservatives to come together to do everything possible to keep the scum bag Democrat from winning.Phatbob said:LOL, okay, so pointing out that the offering is a turd sandwich is the reason for the loss, not the... turd sandwich that people don't want to eat? Rationalize it however makes you feel best, I guess, but I keep hearing that if DeSantis can't win the primary, that's his own fault. Fine, and that may be true, but don't then turn around and blame anyone but Trump for his own losses.cevans_40 said:
You TDS folks better hope he doesn't win the primary. You guys have married yourselves to Never Trumpers and will have to endure 4 more years of lunacy, in large part, due to your own actions. I just hope you are prepared to suffer in silence until 2028 because I don't want to hear your *****ing because its your own fault.
You may not like the other guy in the primary, but I can assure you that Republican administration will not negatively impact your life to anywhere near the extreme that another four years of this **** show will. It's time conservatives take personal responsibility at the ballot box and weigh their choices carefully in both the primary and the general. Vote your conscience in the primary and for your survival/lifestyle in the general. No one will ever have their perfect candidate if voting based on the issues alone.
I can't believe we have conservatives sitting back and doing nothing and letting Biden win because they either don't like Trump or only like Trump. This is the exact outcome the scum bag liberals want and playing their game is letting them win. Yes Trump should be the first one to cut this **** out.
Trump publicly trashed desantis days before his governor election. Trump threatened to let out extremely embarrassing evidence against desantis if he tried to run. He and many of his supporters called "desanctimonious" disloyal before he even announced. And you think it's the desantis side that's harming party unity?
Wrong as Trump may be for his needless attacks against DeSantis, if DeSantis supporters sit out the election, they will be just as responsible as Trump for losing. Even if you don't want a president Trump or a president DeSantis conversely a Republican cabinet and Republican judicial nominations are much preferable to the status quo even if they're totally incompetent. It would be hard for anybody to perform worse than the Biden administration and at least Republicans will have oversight even if overzealous. Democrats act with impunity and that is highly destructive.
Are you expecting that to happen, or is this just a kamikaze thing? Why don't we go with something similar, but isn't a guaranteed loser? I don't understand this need to take the country down with the shipfka ftc said:I think at this point you know what you are getting with Trump so what purpose does him spending time "convincing" people to like him? That's changing stripes on the tiger.Phatbob said:Then is it not Trump's job to convince that 60% of the country that will never vote for him to change their minds? How is he going to do that by doing the exact same thing he's been doing?fka ftc said:Fine then, it will be people who cannot grasp the depth and impact of Trump's accomplishments his first term and focus solely on mean / "fing returded" tweets and 'decorum'.Phatbob said:
I assure you, it will not be because of DeSantis supporters. Trump has alienated way more than just them.
Trump's antics can piss me off as well from time to time, but he was more effective in bringing change to DC and shining light on the swampiness - even if he never "lock(ed) her up", spent too much money, made mistakes with COVID and surrounded himself with a few swamp critters.
People need to change, not expect Trump to change.
2016 Trump isn't 2024 Trump. He's literally past life expectancy and is in physical and mental decline. Time always wins.fka ftc said:Fine then, it will be people who cannot grasp the depth and impact of Trump's accomplishments his first term and focus solely on mean / "fing returded" tweets and 'decorum'.Phatbob said:
I assure you, it will not be because of DeSantis supporters. Trump has alienated way more than just them.
Trump's antics can piss me off as well from time to time, but he was more effective in bringing change to DC and shining light on the swampiness - even if he never "lock(ed) her up", spent too much money, made mistakes with COVID and surrounded himself with a few swamp critters.
This is probably the biggest red herring folks toss out and it stinks like its been sweltering in a Bourbon Street gutter for a couple weeks.aggie93 said:
2016 Trump isn't 2024 Trump. He's literally past life expectancy and is in physical and mental decline. Time always wins.
I will vote for Trump if he is the nominee but can understand why people wouldn't even if it causes Biden to win. It's not about "mean tweets" either. Trump handing over the government to Fauci and all the disaster it caused is one reason. Another is that he has shown he isn't about MAGA issues he is about himself, otherwise he would want to debate and talk about issues and accomplishments instead of lying about DeSantis who has actually done the things Trump talks about.
If only there was a candidate out there who had fired Soros prosecutors.annie88 said:
We need a figurative night of the long knives for many of these corrupt Democrats, prosecutors and judges in this country.
It is the fact that he allowed that much control to be placed in a person like Fauci to begin with. This is why his populism, the thing that was a strength for him before, got us all in a crap ton of trouble. Someone with more conservative principles is way less likely to have Fauci, or anyone else like him, to have that much influence on our freedoms.fka ftc said:This is probably the biggest red herring folks toss out and it stinks like its been sweltering in a Bourbon Street gutter for a couple weeks.aggie93 said:
2016 Trump isn't 2024 Trump. He's literally past life expectancy and is in physical and mental decline. Time always wins.
I will vote for Trump if he is the nominee but can understand why people wouldn't even if it causes Biden to win. It's not about "mean tweets" either. Trump handing over the government to Fauci and all the disaster it caused is one reason. Another is that he has shown he isn't about MAGA issues he is about himself, otherwise he would want to debate and talk about issues and accomplishments instead of lying about DeSantis who has actually done the things Trump talks about.
First, he deferred to the individual states more than anything else. Fauci happened to be the supposed expert that you would expect someone like POTUS to listen to. If you want to show us where he had a panel of experts and only chose to listen to Fauci above all other voices, let's see that evidence.
I am here saying I will vote for whomever gets the nomination and you are sticking to your Never Trump mindset and yet somehow I am harming party unity?The Banned said:cevans_40 said:Nope, its you and yoursPhatbob said:I know a lot of people will agree with you, but at this point, the favorite to be the nominee does not share your desire for unity. Or maybe he does and he just really sucks at it. Either way, the largest obstacle to unity is not the people he is hitting in the back of the head with a bat, it's him. As much as we might want it to not be true, party unity will never be possible with Trump, and it is his fault.aggieforester05 said:I'm not talking about self described moderates or independents, I'm talking about conservatives. Those that will not vote for Trump if he's the nominee are no better than those that will not vote for DeSantis if Trump is not the nominee. I'd much prefer DeSantis and think Trump is largely responsible for the division between Republicans right now. That being said, I'm sure as hell voting for him in the general if he wins the primary, because getting the Democrats out of the executive branch is paramount to our continued existence as a nation of rule and law. It is extremely foolish for any conservative to not show up to vote against the Democrats in the general election. If you can't galvanize the conservative base around one candidate in the general moderates and independents are irrelevant because you're going to lose anyway. This is exactly what the Democrats and their media sycophants want and why they're stoking the fire between Republican factions.Phatbob said:It still is a sell. It's a much tougher sell to people in the "middle" who see both candidates as insane. Like it or not, on the right if you can't convince your ENTIRE base to vote for you, then you sure as hell aren't going to convince anyone else.aggieforester05 said:If neverTrumpers or onlyTrumpers sit out the general election or vote for Biden because their guy didn't win the primary, then they are doing so with full knowledge that their decision will likely result in an incompetent, corrupt, and moronic Biden administration setting our national path forward for the next four years. They will bear a large part of the responsibility for that just as they did for the 2020 election. Once the primary is over, it's time for the infighting to end and for conservatives to come together to do everything possible to keep the scum bag Democrat from winning.Phatbob said:LOL, okay, so pointing out that the offering is a turd sandwich is the reason for the loss, not the... turd sandwich that people don't want to eat? Rationalize it however makes you feel best, I guess, but I keep hearing that if DeSantis can't win the primary, that's his own fault. Fine, and that may be true, but don't then turn around and blame anyone but Trump for his own losses.cevans_40 said:
You TDS folks better hope he doesn't win the primary. You guys have married yourselves to Never Trumpers and will have to endure 4 more years of lunacy, in large part, due to your own actions. I just hope you are prepared to suffer in silence until 2028 because I don't want to hear your *****ing because its your own fault.
You may not like the other guy in the primary, but I can assure you that Republican administration will not negatively impact your life to anywhere near the extreme that another four years of this **** show will. It's time conservatives take personal responsibility at the ballot box and weigh their choices carefully in both the primary and the general. Vote your conscience in the primary and for your survival/lifestyle in the general. No one will ever have their perfect candidate if voting based on the issues alone.
I can't believe we have conservatives sitting back and doing nothing and letting Biden win because they either don't like Trump or only like Trump. This is the exact outcome the scum bag liberals want and playing their game is letting them win. Yes Trump should be the first one to cut this **** out.
Trump publicly trashed desantis days before his governor election. Trump threatened to let out extremely embarrassing evidence against desantis if he tried to run. He and many of his supporters called "desanctimonious" disloyal before he even announced. And you think it's the desantis side that's harming party unity?
Yep, you and yourscevans_40 said:I am here saying I will vote for whomever gets the nomination and you are sticking to your Never Trump mindset and yet somehow I am harming party unity?The Banned said:cevans_40 said:Nope, its you and yoursPhatbob said:I know a lot of people will agree with you, but at this point, the favorite to be the nominee does not share your desire for unity. Or maybe he does and he just really sucks at it. Either way, the largest obstacle to unity is not the people he is hitting in the back of the head with a bat, it's him. As much as we might want it to not be true, party unity will never be possible with Trump, and it is his fault.aggieforester05 said:I'm not talking about self described moderates or independents, I'm talking about conservatives. Those that will not vote for Trump if he's the nominee are no better than those that will not vote for DeSantis if Trump is not the nominee. I'd much prefer DeSantis and think Trump is largely responsible for the division between Republicans right now. That being said, I'm sure as hell voting for him in the general if he wins the primary, because getting the Democrats out of the executive branch is paramount to our continued existence as a nation of rule and law. It is extremely foolish for any conservative to not show up to vote against the Democrats in the general election. If you can't galvanize the conservative base around one candidate in the general moderates and independents are irrelevant because you're going to lose anyway. This is exactly what the Democrats and their media sycophants want and why they're stoking the fire between Republican factions.Phatbob said:It still is a sell. It's a much tougher sell to people in the "middle" who see both candidates as insane. Like it or not, on the right if you can't convince your ENTIRE base to vote for you, then you sure as hell aren't going to convince anyone else.aggieforester05 said:If neverTrumpers or onlyTrumpers sit out the general election or vote for Biden because their guy didn't win the primary, then they are doing so with full knowledge that their decision will likely result in an incompetent, corrupt, and moronic Biden administration setting our national path forward for the next four years. They will bear a large part of the responsibility for that just as they did for the 2020 election. Once the primary is over, it's time for the infighting to end and for conservatives to come together to do everything possible to keep the scum bag Democrat from winning.Phatbob said:LOL, okay, so pointing out that the offering is a turd sandwich is the reason for the loss, not the... turd sandwich that people don't want to eat? Rationalize it however makes you feel best, I guess, but I keep hearing that if DeSantis can't win the primary, that's his own fault. Fine, and that may be true, but don't then turn around and blame anyone but Trump for his own losses.cevans_40 said:
You TDS folks better hope he doesn't win the primary. You guys have married yourselves to Never Trumpers and will have to endure 4 more years of lunacy, in large part, due to your own actions. I just hope you are prepared to suffer in silence until 2028 because I don't want to hear your *****ing because its your own fault.
You may not like the other guy in the primary, but I can assure you that Republican administration will not negatively impact your life to anywhere near the extreme that another four years of this **** show will. It's time conservatives take personal responsibility at the ballot box and weigh their choices carefully in both the primary and the general. Vote your conscience in the primary and for your survival/lifestyle in the general. No one will ever have their perfect candidate if voting based on the issues alone.
I can't believe we have conservatives sitting back and doing nothing and letting Biden win because they either don't like Trump or only like Trump. This is the exact outcome the scum bag liberals want and playing their game is letting them win. Yes Trump should be the first one to cut this **** out.
Trump publicly trashed desantis days before his governor election. Trump threatened to let out extremely embarrassing evidence against desantis if he tried to run. He and many of his supporters called "desanctimonious" disloyal before he even announced. And you think it's the desantis side that's harming party unity?
Phatbob said:Are you expecting that to happen, or is this just a kamikaze thing? Why don't we go with something similar, but isn't a guaranteed loser? I don't understand this need to take the country down with the shipfka ftc said:I think at this point you know what you are getting with Trump so what purpose does him spending time "convincing" people to like him? That's changing stripes on the tiger.Phatbob said:Then is it not Trump's job to convince that 60% of the country that will never vote for him to change their minds? How is he going to do that by doing the exact same thing he's been doing?fka ftc said:Fine then, it will be people who cannot grasp the depth and impact of Trump's accomplishments his first term and focus solely on mean / "fing returded" tweets and 'decorum'.Phatbob said:
I assure you, it will not be because of DeSantis supporters. Trump has alienated way more than just them.
Trump's antics can piss me off as well from time to time, but he was more effective in bringing change to DC and shining light on the swampiness - even if he never "lock(ed) her up", spent too much money, made mistakes with COVID and surrounded himself with a few swamp critters.
People need to change, not expect Trump to change.
Covid was a massive fail by Trump and many others (DeSantis included). Biden just made it worse.Phatbob said:It is the fact that he allowed that much control to be placed in a person like Fauci to begin with. This is why his populism, the thing that was a strength for him before, got us all in a crap ton of trouble. Someone with more conservative principles is way less likely to have Fauci, or anyone else like him, to have that much influence on our freedoms.fka ftc said:This is probably the biggest red herring folks toss out and it stinks like its been sweltering in a Bourbon Street gutter for a couple weeks.aggie93 said:
2016 Trump isn't 2024 Trump. He's literally past life expectancy and is in physical and mental decline. Time always wins.
I will vote for Trump if he is the nominee but can understand why people wouldn't even if it causes Biden to win. It's not about "mean tweets" either. Trump handing over the government to Fauci and all the disaster it caused is one reason. Another is that he has shown he isn't about MAGA issues he is about himself, otherwise he would want to debate and talk about issues and accomplishments instead of lying about DeSantis who has actually done the things Trump talks about.
First, he deferred to the individual states more than anything else. Fauci happened to be the supposed expert that you would expect someone like POTUS to listen to. If you want to show us where he had a panel of experts and only chose to listen to Fauci above all other voices, let's see that evidence.
No argument there, but why is it that if we are going to hold the people responsible for the some of the worst trampling of freedoms we have experienced in the US, Trump gets away scott free?cevans_40 said:Covid was a massive fail by Trump and many others (DeSantis included). Biden just made it worse.Phatbob said:It is the fact that he allowed that much control to be placed in a person like Fauci to begin with. This is why his populism, the thing that was a strength for him before, got us all in a crap ton of trouble. Someone with more conservative principles is way less likely to have Fauci, or anyone else like him, to have that much influence on our freedoms.fka ftc said:This is probably the biggest red herring folks toss out and it stinks like its been sweltering in a Bourbon Street gutter for a couple weeks.aggie93 said:
2016 Trump isn't 2024 Trump. He's literally past life expectancy and is in physical and mental decline. Time always wins.
I will vote for Trump if he is the nominee but can understand why people wouldn't even if it causes Biden to win. It's not about "mean tweets" either. Trump handing over the government to Fauci and all the disaster it caused is one reason. Another is that he has shown he isn't about MAGA issues he is about himself, otherwise he would want to debate and talk about issues and accomplishments instead of lying about DeSantis who has actually done the things Trump talks about.
First, he deferred to the individual states more than anything else. Fauci happened to be the supposed expert that you would expect someone like POTUS to listen to. If you want to show us where he had a panel of experts and only chose to listen to Fauci above all other voices, let's see that evidence.
Im Gipper said:
3 posts in, and already:We look forward to your concern.Quote:
I'm so sick of this board
In moderation of course!
Anytime someone says "you guys", might as well hang a lib or CM sign around your neck / username.MalePTAPrez said:Im Gipper said:
3 posts in, and already:We look forward to your concern.Quote:
I'm so sick of this board
In moderation of course!
So I'm a CM for not supporting trump and had to get a new handle?
You guys are insufferable.
cevans_40 said:I am here saying I will vote for whomever gets the nomination and you are sticking to your Never Trump mindset and yet somehow I am harming party unity?The Banned said:cevans_40 said:Nope, its you and yoursPhatbob said:I know a lot of people will agree with you, but at this point, the favorite to be the nominee does not share your desire for unity. Or maybe he does and he just really sucks at it. Either way, the largest obstacle to unity is not the people he is hitting in the back of the head with a bat, it's him. As much as we might want it to not be true, party unity will never be possible with Trump, and it is his fault.aggieforester05 said:I'm not talking about self described moderates or independents, I'm talking about conservatives. Those that will not vote for Trump if he's the nominee are no better than those that will not vote for DeSantis if Trump is not the nominee. I'd much prefer DeSantis and think Trump is largely responsible for the division between Republicans right now. That being said, I'm sure as hell voting for him in the general if he wins the primary, because getting the Democrats out of the executive branch is paramount to our continued existence as a nation of rule and law. It is extremely foolish for any conservative to not show up to vote against the Democrats in the general election. If you can't galvanize the conservative base around one candidate in the general moderates and independents are irrelevant because you're going to lose anyway. This is exactly what the Democrats and their media sycophants want and why they're stoking the fire between Republican factions.Phatbob said:It still is a sell. It's a much tougher sell to people in the "middle" who see both candidates as insane. Like it or not, on the right if you can't convince your ENTIRE base to vote for you, then you sure as hell aren't going to convince anyone else.aggieforester05 said:If neverTrumpers or onlyTrumpers sit out the general election or vote for Biden because their guy didn't win the primary, then they are doing so with full knowledge that their decision will likely result in an incompetent, corrupt, and moronic Biden administration setting our national path forward for the next four years. They will bear a large part of the responsibility for that just as they did for the 2020 election. Once the primary is over, it's time for the infighting to end and for conservatives to come together to do everything possible to keep the scum bag Democrat from winning.Phatbob said:LOL, okay, so pointing out that the offering is a turd sandwich is the reason for the loss, not the... turd sandwich that people don't want to eat? Rationalize it however makes you feel best, I guess, but I keep hearing that if DeSantis can't win the primary, that's his own fault. Fine, and that may be true, but don't then turn around and blame anyone but Trump for his own losses.cevans_40 said:
You TDS folks better hope he doesn't win the primary. You guys have married yourselves to Never Trumpers and will have to endure 4 more years of lunacy, in large part, due to your own actions. I just hope you are prepared to suffer in silence until 2028 because I don't want to hear your *****ing because its your own fault.
You may not like the other guy in the primary, but I can assure you that Republican administration will not negatively impact your life to anywhere near the extreme that another four years of this **** show will. It's time conservatives take personal responsibility at the ballot box and weigh their choices carefully in both the primary and the general. Vote your conscience in the primary and for your survival/lifestyle in the general. No one will ever have their perfect candidate if voting based on the issues alone.
I can't believe we have conservatives sitting back and doing nothing and letting Biden win because they either don't like Trump or only like Trump. This is the exact outcome the scum bag liberals want and playing their game is letting them win. Yes Trump should be the first one to cut this **** out.
Trump publicly trashed desantis days before his governor election. Trump threatened to let out extremely embarrassing evidence against desantis if he tried to run. He and many of his supporters called "desanctimonious" disloyal before he even announced. And you think it's the desantis side that's harming party unity?
"We are going to need you to sign the pledge before any further debate on this." - signed the RNCThe Banned said:
I ask again: can you freaking read? I've said multiple times I'll vote for trump if he's the nominee.
fka ftc said:Anytime someone says "you guys", might as well hang a lib or CM sign around your neck / username.MalePTAPrez said:Im Gipper said:
3 posts in, and already:We look forward to your concern.Quote:
I'm so sick of this board
In moderation of course!
So I'm a CM for not supporting trump and had to get a new handle?
You guys are insufferable.
Yes, not supporting Trump in the general election would lead someone to believe you have not found the red pill yet, may never find it.
I know calling Trump a liberal is essentially a past time for you. If Trump is the most conservative on the ballot, would you vote for him? Or would you just write in BigRobSA 4 Prez on your ballot?BigRobSA said:
Why is voting for a liberal, like Trump, the milestone for being "red pilled"?
He spent so much even Obama blushed, is anti-2a, pro jobs programs, etc.
I'm conservative, why would I vote for a liberal?
BigRobSA said:fka ftc said:Anytime someone says "you guys", might as well hang a lib or CM sign around your neck / username.MalePTAPrez said:Im Gipper said:
3 posts in, and already:We look forward to your concern.Quote:
I'm so sick of this board
In moderation of course!
So I'm a CM for not supporting trump and had to get a new handle?
You guys are insufferable.
Yes, not supporting Trump in the general election would lead someone to believe you have not found the red pill yet, may never find it.
Why is voting for a liberal, like Trump, the milestone for being "red pilled"?
He spent so much even Obama blushed, is anti-2a, pro jobs programs, etc.
I'm conservative, why would I vote for a liberal?
fka ftc said:I know calling Trump a liberal is essentially a past time for you. If Trump is the most conservative on the ballot, would you vote for him? Or would you just write in BigRobSA 4 Prez on your ballot?BigRobSA said:
Why is voting for a liberal, like Trump, the milestone for being "red pilled"?
He spent so much even Obama blushed, is anti-2a, pro jobs programs, etc.
I'm conservative, why would I vote for a liberal?
the anti-2a bit is a red herring. Not sure what you are getting at with pro jobs programs, and any discussion on spending needs to begin after removing the COVID funds.
fka ftc said:I know calling Trump a liberal is essentially a past time for you. If Trump is the most conservative on the ballot, would you vote for him? Or would you just write in BigRobSA 4 Prez on your ballot?BigRobSA said:
Why is voting for a liberal, like Trump, the milestone for being "red pilled"?
He spent so much even Obama blushed, is anti-2a, pro jobs programs, etc.
I'm conservative, why would I vote for a liberal?
the anti-2a bit is a red herring. Not sure what you are getting at with pro jobs programs, and any discussion on spending needs to begin after removing the COVID funds.
