The (Quietly) Shifting European Political Landscape

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5:31a, 7/1/23
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Tl;dr you won't see it on MS US News, but isn't this interesting? Leftist politicians and globalist policies are being dismantled across the European continent.

Without going into too terribly much depth in this introduction, while again noting it's not black and white, I find it intriguing what's going on across the continent right now:

Italy: Georgia Meloni - Christian, open proponent of nuclear families, critical of globalism, supports a naval blockade to halt unfettered immigration.

Poland: President Duda - Governing party is the Law and Justice Party, known for their authentically conservative politics, support of church, and defense of Polish culture and heritage. Desires energy security, rejected EU migrant quotas, etc.

United Kingdom: PM Rishi Sunak - Business friendly, vocal proponent of Brexit, Conservative Party Leader. Given the circumstances of him taking the position can't rock the boat too much, but has signaled a much tougher stance on immigration.

Finland: PM Petteri Orpo - ousted the Social Democrats with a right-wing coalition government expected by some to lead "the most right-wing government on economic policy in roughly 80 years." He campaigned on austerity and a paradigm shift on all things immigration.

France: Maybe Le Pen(?) - leading the largest opposition party to Macron at the moment, polls indicate an election right now would unseat Macron. Hard line against immigration, wants French energy independence, etc.

Germany: Merkel's out. So called Conservatives received more votes than Social Democrats who have controlled Berlin's mayorship with a coalition government for over 20 years in February. The big city folks ain't happy with the Social Democratic garbage it appears?

Greece: PM Kyriakos Mitsotakis - smoked his radical left opponent by more than 20 points. He's a businessman. Stabilized Greece after debt crisis. Is aligned in a number of ways with a 'relatively' very right wing party vehemently supporting immigration reforms that sees migrants as a threat to national sovereignty.

Austria: The populist 'far-right' Freedom Party, according to recent polls. is once again the nations strongest party with a platform very much centered around Austria first. Once again, this includes a hard-line stance on immigration.

Sweden: After a narrow win last year, the Conservative Moderates had to form a coalition with a significantly more right-wing party (20.5% of the vote) marking the first time has had a direct input into government policy. Described as once being unthinkable, this coalition has resulted in radical changes to asylum, integration, etc. Despite being far left of what Americans would consider conservative, the shift is said to be rooted in a desire to conserve Nordic "tradition, family, stability, and community."

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I'd love to hear some thoughts and insight from the board from those more knowledgeable in this area, anecdotes and familiarity, perhaps even predictions of what this means for that region, the world, etc. - a relatively 'conservative' Europe who's willing to let go of some ESG type things with DeSantis would be really interesting to see.
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5:38a, 7/1/23
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Has Europe quietly figured out they can't live in fantasy land?
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In reply to DirtyMikesBoys • 5:43a, 7/1/23
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They are getting there. It's a bit of a pendulum swing, but vastly more work to do.



Good luck with your hoardes of vermin, europhiles.
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6:34a, 7/1/23
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It's a good start. Unfortnately, if tangible improvement isn't noticed in a short period of time, they will shift back
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6:59a, 7/1/23


410 was another banner year for Europe.. I am sure, in 410, many Roman's regretted their predecessors decisions.
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7:13a, 7/1/23
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While I've lost respect for Jonah Goldberg, he did write an insightful book about 20 years ago. I believe it was called The End of the World As We Know It.

He claimed that the biggest threat to the western world was demographic shifts. Falling birth rates being the primary culprit. He argued that countries would be forced (or would naively choose) to import their labor to overcome a shortage of native born workers. Seventeen of the top twenty countries in the world, per birth rate, were Muslim dominant countries. Masses of folks from those countries had been pouring into Europe and would continue to do so, creating a new majority eventually. He predicted devastating results.

And here we are.
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In reply to TheCurl84 • 7:46a, 7/1/23
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Did the book mention any recourse? In other words, did he expect people to figure it out and it be a lost cause because they were too late, or is this apparent step away from globalism and unfettered immigration over there an indication the situation can be remedied.. at least to a degree that it doesn't mean ruin.

"You can't bring there, here, or here becomes there."
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In reply to TheCurl84 • 7:54a, 7/1/23
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While I've lost respect for Jonah Goldberg, he did write an insightful book about 20 years ago. I believe it was called The End of the World As We Know It.

He claimed that the biggest threat to the western world was demographic shifts. Falling birth rates being the primary culprit. He argued that countries would be forced (or would naively choose) to import their labor to overcome a shortage of native born workers. Seventeen of the top twenty countries in the world, per birth rate, were Muslim dominant countries. Masses of folks from those countries had been pouring into Europe and would continue to do so, creating a new majority eventually. He predicted devastating results.

And here we are.
Yeah, it's too late at this point. Some short term political reaction to the changes isn't going to ultimately fix anything. In many situations you have a last desperate surge before the plunge, that's all this is. They'll be wiped out by new people, as will we shortly thereafter.

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7:54a, 7/1/23
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Certainly a good start. Multiculturalism that includes inferior cultures is obviously a disaster. I will note that several months ago the Eastern European countries began enacting walls and fences to keep out the Muslim horde with the encouragement and blessing of the more liberal Western European countries. This was an about face in policy meanwhile our Democrats continue to push for open borders.

Not sure if the EU will continue to swing right but they are f'ed if they don't. They are going to have to make some hard decisions that many will not like. First and foremost, they need to halt all immigration from Islamic countries. And then they need to deport any in country Muslims that already have or commit violence.
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In reply to DirtyMikesBoys • 8:04a, 7/1/23
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Did the book mention any recourse? In other words, did he expect people to figure it out and it be a lost cause because they were too late, or is this apparent step away from globalism and unfettered immigration over there an indication the situation can be remedied.. at least to a degree that it doesn't mean ruin.

"You can't bring there, here, or here becomes there."


An old college professor quoted several writings from Greek and Rome on this very point. At first, the empire exploits lesser countries and then depends on them for cheap labor to keep the machine going.

And no, there's nothing you can do to stop it and it never ends well.
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8:43a, 7/1/23
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Thank you OP for this breakdown. Cautiously optimistic.

Does EU really have migrant quotas?
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In reply to DirtyMikesBoys • 9:08a, 7/1/23
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DirtyMikesBoys said:
Has Europe quietly figured out they can't live in fantasy land?
We are about 5 years behind Europe on the culture stuff. 5 years ago they were where we are now having doctors castrate and mutilate the genitals of children and now they are reversing course completely after seeing the damage, we will probably be doing the same in about 3-4 years once these kids start becoming adults and suing their doctors and parents
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In reply to HoustonAg2106 • 9:13a, 7/1/23
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HoustonAg2106 said:
DirtyMikesBoys said:
Has Europe quietly figured out they can't live in fantasy land?
We are about 5 years behind Europe on the culture stuff. 5 years ago they were where we are now having doctors castrate and mutilate the genitals of children and now they are reversing course completely after seeing the damage, we will probably be doing the same in about 3-4 years once these kids start becoming adults and suing their doctors and parents


The suing here has started. But agree with you. It's interesting how we have sprinted leftward past Europe on some issues. Our left is always putting them on a pedestal because of their more left leaning polices and, of course, trains - the holy grail of Democrats!

And now Europe is pulling back. So we are now further left on immigration and abortion (blue states) than Europe.
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9:19a, 7/1/23
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Maybe relevant, maybe not.

Quote:
Open Society Foundations, the nonprofit founded by billionaire George Soros, plans to cut at least 40% of its staff in the coming months.
The charity, which earlier this month confirmed Soros, 92, was handing control to his son Alex, said Friday its board approved "significant changes" to its operating model. That includes "a substantial reduction in headcount of no less than 40% globally," according to a spokesperson.
Soros has donated more than $32 billion to the nonprofit, which had more than 500 employees as of the end of 2021 and gives money to humanitarian and democratic causes ranging from criminal justice reform to climate change initiatives. It currently controls the majority of assets managed by his $25 billion family office.

"The Board aims to transform operations across the global network, with the goal of generating a nimbler organization," said a statement, signed by the younger Soros and the nonprofit's president Mark Malloch-Brown. "While Open Society works on these internal changes, the Board remains firmly committed to the Foundations' core priorities democracy, human rights, climate justice, and addressing inequity."
LINK
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In reply to HoustonAg2106 • 9:22a, 7/1/23
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HoustonAg2106 said:
DirtyMikesBoys said:
Has Europe quietly figured out they can't live in fantasy land?
We are about 5 years behind Europe on the culture stuff. 5 years ago they were where we are now having doctors castrate and mutilate the genitals of children and now they are reversing course completely after seeing the damage, we will probably be doing the same in about 3-4 years once these kids start becoming adults and suing their doctors and parents


Depending on whom the R's elect in the primary we could be seeing this same shift here in America over the next 3-4 years being lead on a national level, or we could see the Dems maintain power and the Fed government continue to veer left while a few bold red states fight to maintain sanity.
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9:26a, 7/1/23
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Thanks for the summary OP, good stuff. Here's hoping it continues. Maybe Canada will find sanity too/
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9:30a, 7/1/23
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But it is interesting and positive to see Europe starting to realize (again) that the world is not one big homogenous collective that can be governed by groupthink. The world can actually live together in relative harmony if we do the opposite by maintaining and respecting individuality and governing on "smaller" regional levels.
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In reply to flakrat • 9:31a, 7/1/23
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flakrat said:
Thanks for the summary OP, good stuff. Here's hoping it continues. Maybe Canada will find sanity too/


America's Hat trying hard to commit suicide.

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Canada has one of the highest per-capita immigration rates in the world,[9] driven mainly by economic policy and, to a lesser extent, family reunification.[10][11] In 2021, a total of 405,330 immigrants were admitted to Canada, mainly from Asia.[12][13] New immigrants settle mostly in major urban areas such as Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver.[14] Canada also accepts large numbers of refugees,[15] accounting for over 10 percent of annual global refugee resettlements.[16][17]


Guessing most of their immigrants are Indian though.
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In reply to FL_Ag1998 • 9:59a, 7/1/23
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FL_Ag1998 said:
HoustonAg2106 said:
DirtyMikesBoys said:
Has Europe quietly figured out they can't live in fantasy land?
We are about 5 years behind Europe on the culture stuff. 5 years ago they were where we are now having doctors castrate and mutilate the genitals of children and now they are reversing course completely after seeing the damage, we will probably be doing the same in about 3-4 years once these kids start becoming adults and suing their doctors and parents


Depending on whom the R's elect in the primary we could be seeing this same shift here in America over the next 3-4 years being lead on a national level, or we could see the Dems maintain power and the Fed government continue to veer left while a few bold red states fight to maintain sanity.


Yup it's one big election coming up
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11:24a, 7/1/23
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…and they probably all use the same election software…
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In reply to DirtyMikesBoys • 11:33a, 7/1/23
We may have to fall as far as Europe has to figure this out.
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12:28p, 7/1/23
At least Islam wont tolerate Pride month and the Trans movement.
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samurai_science said:
At least Islam wont tolerate Pride month and the Trans movement.
Nor will they tolerate Christian schools, Christian churches, or Christian public speech.
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ts5641 said:
We may have to fall as far as Europe has to figure this out.
Sadly, we may fall further. Our two-party system has likely doomed us to a very deep plunge into deviancy, death, and destruction.
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2:11p, 7/1/23
In before conservatives there are liberals here
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In reply to TheCurl84 • 2:14p, 7/1/23
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TheCurl84 said:
While I've lost respect for Jonah Goldberg, he did write an insightful book about 20 years ago. I believe it was called The End of the World As We Know It.

He claimed that the biggest threat to the western world was demographic shifts. Falling birth rates being the primary culprit. He argued that countries would be forced (or would naively choose) to import their labor to overcome a shortage of native born workers. Seventeen of the top twenty countries in the world, per birth rate, were Muslim dominant countries. Masses of folks from those countries had been pouring into Europe and would continue to do so, creating a new majority eventually. He predicted devastating results.

And here we are.
A really good book on this subject is "America Alone" by Mark Steyn.

It came out in 2005. He nailed it, and the first one I heard use the phrase...."demographics is destiny".

He said by 2040 Europe will become Europistan.....because of declining birth rates among natives and skyrocketing birth rates among Islamic immigrants.

You are seeing it play out now.
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In reply to nortex97 • 2:16p, 7/1/23
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nortex97 said:
They are getting there. It's a bit of a pendulum swing, but vastly more work to do.
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England swings like a pendulum do?
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7:33p, 7/1/23
Liberals don't reproduce much, so they're removing themselves from the gene pool.

Question is: Who will replace them? Probably Muslims.
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In reply to flakrat • 10:36p, 7/1/23
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flakrat said:
Thanks for the summary OP, good stuff. Here's hoping it continues. Maybe Canada will find sanity too/


No sweat!

Interesting times we're living in. Interesting times indeed!
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In reply to doubledog • 12:04a, 7/2/23
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410 was another banner year for Europe.. I am sure, in 410, many Roman's regretted their predecessors decisions.


Just ask CanyonAg77, he was there.
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1:07a, 7/2/23
This guy is good for covering European politics when you dont know a lot about it. Yes, the right is coming back in Europe too.

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Little Rock Ag said:
ts5641 said:
We may have to fall as far as Europe has to figure this out.
Sadly, we may fall further. Our two-party system has likely doomed us to a very deep plunge into deviancy, death, and destruction.
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In reply to BonfireNerd04 • 8:11a, 7/2/23
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BonfireNerd04 said:
Liberals don't reproduce much, so they're removing themselves from the gene pool.

Question is: Who will replace them? Probably Muslims.


Muslims got a long way to go here to catch up with the Hispanics. They do rule Minnesota though which I would be walling off at this point already.
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In reply to BonfireNerd04 • 8:23a, 7/2/23
BonfireNerd04 said:
Liberals don't reproduce much, so they're removing themselves from the gene pool.

Question is: Who will replace them? Probably Muslims.
I've never understood this argument when it's plainly untrue. By that logic there should be fewer gay people over time because they don't reproduce at all. But there are more of them than ever.

And generally speaking, political beliefs aren't bred, they're conditioned. Obviously, parents have some influence, but not as much as the mass media/pop culture/education system over time when it comes to the population at large. On top of that, how do you explain that the WW2 "Greatest Generation" raised the 1960s radical anti-Americans and then the 1960s radical leftists raised the 1980s very conservative teens, of which I'm a part? Teenagers rebel against their parents more than they mimic them.

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