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So my notes from today's afternoon hearing on Jack Smith's proposed gag order making Donald Trump's comments that allegedly pose a "significant, imminent, and foreseeable danger" to law enforcement in the case an arrestable offense.

David Harbach, one of Smith's lead…

— Julie Kelly 🇺🇸 (@julie_kelly2) June 25, 2024

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These fascists are out of control. Harbach's comments illustrate perfectly that they do not believe in constitutional rights at all. Harbach believes he is the arbiter of what Trump is allowed to say.

Not to put too fine a point on this:

HOLY SH*T: Special Counsel Jack Smith just admitted the FBI added cover sheets to alleged classified documents found at MAL and took photos for evidence.

This confirms my report from last month that the FBI doctored evidence to produce stunt photos of classified docs at MAL: pic.twitter.com/XOZgolQK6M

— Julie Kelly 🇺🇸 (@julie_kelly2) June 25, 2024

Ethical prosecutors would not even think about using evidence that they know has been improperly gathered nor tampered with in any manner. Where's the chain of custody here? That should denote who tampered with those documents.

And of course what Jack Smith is referring to as "classified documents" is documents that were ever marked as classified. If they were declassified by Trump, he's still calling them classified.

He is a lying piece of **** who should be nowhere near taxpayer funds or our "justice" system.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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And of course what Jack Smith is referring to as "classified documents" is documents that were ever marked as classified. If they were declassified by Trump, he's still calling them classified.

He is a lying piece of **** who should be nowhere near taxpayer funds or our "justice" system.

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As Andy McCarthy pointed out recently, Smith could have simply brought obstruction charges against Trump instead of espionage bringing the CIPA into play. Smith overcharged this case and most of the current problems with his prosecution were and remain self-inflicted.

Then again, Smith has a penchant for overcharging.

aggiehawg said:

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And of course what Jack Smith is referring to as "classified documents" is documents that were ever marked as classified. If they were declassified by Trump, he's still calling them classified.

He is a lying piece of **** who should be nowhere near taxpayer funds or our "justice" system.

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As Andy McCarthy pointed out recently, Smith could have simplly brought obstruction charges against Trump instead of espionage bringing the CIPA into play. Smith overcharged this case and most of the current problems with his prosecution were and remain self-inflicted.

Then again, Smith has a penchant for overcharging.

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I'm just thankful that we have a normal judge presiding over this and not a Merchan or Engoron type.

aggiehawg said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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And of course what Jack Smith is referring to as "classified documents" is documents that were ever marked as classified. If they were declassified by Trump, he's still calling them classified.

He is a lying piece of **** who should be nowhere near taxpayer funds or our "justice" system.

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As Andy McCarthy pointed out recently, Smith could have simplly brought obstruction charges against Trump instead of espionage bringing the CIPA into play. Smith overcharged this case and most of the current problems with his prosecution were and remain self-inflicted.

Then again, Smith has a penchant for overcharging.

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I think it is all about making it as sensational as possible to make Trump look as bad as possible. Of course, that is why they have illegally leaked to the press, why they raided MAL, and why they staged the propaganda photos. Idiots lap it all up.

NEW: Jack Smith's team just filed a response opposing Donald Trump's motion to dismiss docs case based on "spoliation" of evidence seized during MAL raid.

Wait...FBI wanted security cameras off for "agent safety?"

But I have been told by the experts that no danger existed! pic.twitter.com/wqUIJYfhX8

— Julie Kelly 🇺🇸 (@julie_kelly2) June 25, 2024

Come on, Judge Cannon. Do the right thing. This whole thing is an absurd travesty against the rule of law.

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Come on, Judge Cannon. Do the right thing. This whole thing is an absurd travesty against the rule of law.

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she is. Just not in a great hurry. No trial before election so this case already has no political value.

So now she sits back and softly denies defense motions and/or keeps them under advisement. The real rulings gutting the government's case for all of the crazy BS that's gone on are probably already mostly written but awaiting entry/publication until after the election.

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Tramp96 said:

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Come on, Judge Cannon. Do the right thing. This whole thing is an absurd travesty against the rule of law.

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she is. Just not in a great hurry. No trial before election so this case already has no political value.

So now she sits back and softly denies defense motions and/or keeps them under advisement. The real rulings gutting the government's case for all of the crazy BS that's gone on are probably already mostly written but awaiting entry/publication until after the election.

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Y'all think this judge wants to help Trump by delaying?

No. Just doing her job as diligently as she can.

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No. Just doing her job as diligently as she can.

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That troll just stays at it. Completely ignoring the fact that Smith is still producing more documents for discovery. This case is no where near ready to go to trial.

MiamiHopper said:

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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Tramp96 said:

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Come on, Judge Cannon. Do the right thing. This whole thing is an absurd travesty against the rule of law.

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she is. Just not in a great hurry. No trial before election so this case already has no political value.

So now she sits back and softly denies defense motions and/or keeps them under advisement. The real rulings gutting the government's case for all of the crazy BS that's gone on are probably already mostly written but awaiting entry/publication until after the election.

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Y'all think this judge wants to help Trump by delaying?

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no. She's just letting the Biden administration have all the rope it wants. You/leftists in general seem to be losing your **** over the fact that she's simply not railroading whoever the Biden administration demands she railroad.

It's why I use the George Costanza driving all the way to the Hamptons analogy. The Biden administration/Smith could just come clean now and admit this is a political stunt. Or they can keep it up until they get to the Hamptons and have to finally admit there's no house.

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aggiehawg said:

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No. Just doing her job as diligently as she can.

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That troll just stays at it. Completely ignoring the fact that Smith is still producing more documents for discovery. This case is no where near ready to go to trial.

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Like I said above. All of Smith's issues with this case have been caused by his actions.

Any other judge pulls this case and trial is already well over.

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MiamiHopper said:

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Tramp96 said:

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Come on, Judge Cannon. Do the right thing. This whole thing is an absurd travesty against the rule of law.

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she is. Just not in a great hurry. No trial before election so this case already has no political value.

So now she sits back and softly denies defense motions and/or keeps them under advisement. The real rulings gutting the government's case for all of the crazy BS that's gone on are probably already mostly written but awaiting entry/publication until after the election.

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Y'all think this judge wants to help Trump by delaying?

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no. She's just letting the Biden administration have all the rope it wants. You/leftists in general seem to be losing your **** over the fact that she's simply not railroading whoever the Biden administration demands she railroad.

It's why I use the George Costanza driving all the way to the Hamptons analogy. The Biden administration/Smith could just come clean now and admit this is a political stunt. Or they can keep it up until they get to the Hamptons and have to finally admit there's no house.

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She's not taking forever to continue to not dismiss or blow up the case despite repeated requests to do so because she's convinced the case is weak

aggiehawg said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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And of course what Jack Smith is referring to as "classified documents" is documents that were ever marked as classified. If they were declassified by Trump, he's still calling them classified.

He is a lying piece of **** who should be nowhere near taxpayer funds or our "justice" system.

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As Andy McCarthy pointed out recently, Smith could have simply brought obstruction charges against Trump instead of espionage bringing the CIPA into play. Smith overcharged this case and most of the current problems with his prosecution were and remain self-inflicted.

Then again, Smith has a penchant for overcharging.

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No. If Andy McCarthy said that, he's full of it. "Obstruction" of an investigation into whether he's retaining classified information would bring the classified information into evidence, and there's no chance Trump's lawyers wouldn't be making the same CIPA arguments as they have been.


Besides, most of the motions and most of the delays in the case haven't had anything to do with CIPA.

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Ethical prosecutors would not even think about using evidence that they know has been improperly gathered nor tampered with in any manner. Where's the chain of custody here? That should denote who tampered with those documents.

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I have heard about these "ethical prosecutors" you speak of.

I've seen some on old tv shows; and I suspect on new tv shows if I ever watched those kinds of things anymore. I honestly think there's a small section of the Dem party who would gladly send the "undesired" to Leftorvo prison for a little torture and execution.

That behavior from a US prosecutor is obscene. The very worst part of this is he wont suffer any consequences. From what I can tell, a lot of "peer judges" are trying to get Cannon in Florida to recuse herself.

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A previously unreported visit Trump took to Mar-a-Lago that was "kept quiet" by aides just weeks before the 2022 FBI search has raised suspicions among Jack Smith's team as a potential additional effort to obstruct the government's classified docs investigation.

At least one…

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) June 25, 2024

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A previously unreported visit Trump took to Mar-a-Lago that was "kept quiet" by aides just weeks before the 2022 FBI search has raised suspicions among Jack Smith's team as a potential additional effort to obstruct the government's classified docs investigation.

At least one witness who worked closely with Trump recalled being told at the time that Trump was there 'checking on the boxes,' according to sources familiar with what the witness told investigators.

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Oh the horror! Trump went home!

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“Check on the boxes”…more like hide them in Ivana’s grave. https://t.co/y4nQpFZTf7

— Peppermint💙🟧 (@arm_third) June 25, 2024

To see Ivana.

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It's why I use the George Costanza driving all the way to the Hamptons analogy. The Biden administration/Smith could just come clean now and admit this is a political stunt. Or they can keep it up until they get to the Hamptons and have to finally admit there's no house.

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IF that action were to occur, I'd have to admit Smith/DOJ has a shred of integrity, and like Weissman before him, he has absolutely none.

However, at this point, with no trial before the election (and probably not until after the inauguration), he's just trying to get Trump's legal fees over $100 million.

The last amount I heard was fees were at $77 million two weeks ago.

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Ethical prosecutors would not even think about using evidence that they know has been improperly gathered nor tampered with in any manner. Where's the chain of custody here? That should denote who tampered with those documents.

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I have heard about these "ethical prosecutors" you speak of.

I've seen some on old tv shows; and I suspect on new tv shows if I ever watched those kinds of things anymore. I honestly think there's a small section of the Dem party who would gladly send the "undesired" to Leftorvo prison for a little torture and execution.

That behavior from a US prosecutor is obscene. The very worst part of this is he wont suffer any consequences. From what I can tell, a lot of "peer judges" are trying to get Cannon in Florida to recuse herself.

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While several of the trials have watched live streamed had some very bad prosecutors in that they don't follow the rules nor the orders of the court, the others have been much much better, brilliant in fact. The Waukesha Christmas Parade trial of Darrell Brooks was damn near flawless presentation by the prosecution team. Same with the Edgecomb trial.

The two worst prosecution teams OTOH were both in Judge Schroeder's court in Kenosha. Rittenhouse and Zachariah Anderson. The jury in Rittenhouse saw through the state's bluster and tricks. But not so in Zach's trial. The prosecutor in Zach's trial was the boss of Binger and Krauss from the Rittenhouse trial. So that DA's office rotted from the head just like a fish.

Watermelon Man said:

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... our lawless, corrupt President.

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Yet Trump is the one who tried to overthrow the US government, declared that the US constitution didn't have to be followed if he didn't want to, is a convicted felon, liable for sexual assault, and he and his family members have be found to liable for fraud.

But, Biden is the lawless, corrupt one. Yeah, sure. Lots of evidence to back that up, I'm sure.

Oh, I guess I forgot. Hunter! Hunter! Hunter! Laptop!!!

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Sarcasm duly noted.

MiamiHopper said:

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Tramp96 said:

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Come on, Judge Cannon. Do the right thing. This whole thing is an absurd travesty against the rule of law.

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she is. Just not in a great hurry. No trial before election so this case already has no political value.

So now she sits back and softly denies defense motions and/or keeps them under advisement. The real rulings gutting the government's case for all of the crazy BS that's gone on are probably already mostly written but awaiting entry/publication until after the election.

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Y'all think this judge wants to help Trump by delaying?

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No. I think this judge cares about justice and recognizes the government's fascist actions meant to keep Donald Trump from the White House.

Putting cover sheets on classified documents is not "tampering" with evidence. Why do yall keep falling for Julie Kelly sensationalism nonsense?

Stick to Andrew McCarthy & shipwreckedcrew if yall want to know what's really happening on this case.

Here shipwreckedcrew is destroying Weismann:

And what about DC?

The Magistrates in DC do almost nothing in criminal cases after a District Judge is assigned.

This is very much a district-by district-issue, and a matter of local practice.

More evidence for my suspicion that Andy Nine-O really doesn't know much about… https://t.co/sXKksxJXTW

— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) June 25, 2024

aggiehawg said:

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A previously unreported visit Trump took to Mar-a-Lago that was "kept quiet" by aides just weeks before the 2022 FBI search has raised suspicions among Jack Smith's team as a potential additional effort to obstruct the government's classified docs investigation.

At least one…

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) June 25, 2024

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A previously unreported visit Trump took to Mar-a-Lago that was "kept quiet" by aides just weeks before the 2022 FBI search has raised suspicions among Jack Smith's team as a potential additional effort to obstruct the government's classified docs investigation.

At least one witness who worked closely with Trump recalled being told at the time that Trump was there 'checking on the boxes,' according to sources familiar with what the witness told investigators.

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Oh the horror! Trump went home!

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Is that fifth hand evidence right there????

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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MiamiHopper said:

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Come on, Judge Cannon. Do the right thing. This whole thing is an absurd travesty against the rule of law.

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she is. Just not in a great hurry. No trial before election so this case already has no political value.

So now she sits back and softly denies defense motions and/or keeps them under advisement. The real rulings gutting the government's case for all of the crazy BS that's gone on are probably already mostly written but awaiting entry/publication until after the election.

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Y'all think this judge wants to help Trump by delaying?

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no. She's just letting the Biden administration have all the rope it wants. You/leftists in general seem to be losing your **** over the fact that she's simply not railroading whoever the Biden administration demands she railroad.

It's why I use the George Costanza driving all the way to the Hamptons analogy. The Biden administration/Smith could just come clean now and admit this is a political stunt. Or they can keep it up until they get to the Hamptons and have to finally admit there's no house.

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She's not taking forever to continue to not dismiss or blow up the case despite repeated requests to do so because she's convinced the case is weak

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its easier than any of the above. This is all nakedly political (every one of these cases). This case is just an "away" game for the Biden administration.

FWIW:

I don't think the CIA would try to overthrow Trump for no reason, there is a much bigger cover-up at play and it circles back to Russiagate and the spoof of the DNC hack. Obama turned loose the full power of the intelligence community against a candidate that every expert and pollster said was going to lose badly. Obama slapped down his own VP to install Hillary in the Oval Office to carry on the mission of laundering billions in tax revenue and destroy the American economy to put the working class on the government till so they can be controlled. Trump blew up that plan and they've been after him since.

NOTES from FLA court hearing on Trump's motion to suppress evidence from MAL.

Judge Cannon was in a mood today lol. She pushed back hard at arguments by Emil Bove, Trump's lawyer, that the FBI affidavit seeking the warrant was misleading and the search warrant too broad.

She…

— Julie Kelly 🇺🇸 (@julie_kelly2) June 25, 2024

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Judge Cannon was in a mood today lol. She pushed back hard at arguments by Emil Bove, Trump's lawyer, that the FBI affidavit seeking the warrant was misleading and the search warrant too broad.

She appeared to indicate at the end of the hearing that she would not grant the motion to suppress MAL evidence saying she believed the affidavit was "particular enough."

She did, however, confront David Harbach, Jack Smith's prosecutor, about FBI agents searching the bedrooms of Melania and Baron Trump.

She asked if there was probable cause to believe "documents were in the bedroom of a child?"

Harbach said DOJ had evidence boxes were moved.

"Any direct or indirect evidence the boxes were to a child's room?

Harbach: No

He went on to insist it would have been "irresponsible" for agents not to search Melania's and Baron's room. "There was nothing egregious about it."

Harbach again had a bit of a temper tantrum at the end of the hearing. He asked to give a brief rebuttal to Bove's closing comments--Cannon gave him "30 seconds."

One day after admitting the special counsel has a "permanent, indefinite" source of tax dollars to fund both prosecutions of Trump, Harbach complained the proceedings were "unfair."

He accused the defense of "hijacking" the hearing with "repeated attempts to import" false allegations into the case about the MAL raid.

Cannon cut him off, basically saying no one is hijacking the hearing because it is over.

My guess is there will be a delay of at least a few weeks until the next hearing. Holiday week next week then Trump is set to be sentenced on 7/11 on NY case and the GOP convention is the following week.

Cannon is very mindful of everyone's schedule and making sure defendants can fully participate in the proceedings.

Looks like she'll deny this motion but 2 biggies are on the horizon: A rescheduled hearing on the scope of the prosecution team (collusion btw NARA, DOJ, and the Biden White House) and motion to dismiss due to spoliation of evidence siezed at MAL.

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Im Gipper said:

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Putting cover sheets on classified documents is not "tampering" with evidence.

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Hard disagree, especially after they submitted pictures of those cover sheets as evidence. If the sheets matched the classification levels of each document exactly and were serialized to match to the documents then sure, it's a no harm no foul situation. But they didn't match them to the documents, they just put top secret/ classified cover sheets on a bunch of documents and presented that to the court as if they were top secret/classified.

Watermelon Man said:

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Yet Trump is the one who tried to overthrow the US government, declared that the US constitution didn't have to be followed if he didn't want to, is a convicted felon, liable for sexual assault, and he and his family members have be found to liable for fraud.

But, Biden is the lawless, corrupt one. Yeah, sure. Lots of evidence to back that up, I'm sure.

Oh, I guess I forgot. Hunter! Hunter! Hunter! Laptop!!!

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This kind of wildly dishonest take is why we have ZERO respect for leftist. Would it hurt you to have a modicum of honesty for once in your life? Maybe your opinions would garner more respect if you tried arguing them from a position of honesty instead of blatant lies and twisting facts to fit your dishonest narratives? Absolutely disgusting!

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Im Gipper said:

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Putting cover sheets on classified documents is not "tampering" with evidence.

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Hard disagree, especially after they submitted pictures of those cover sheets as evidence. If the sheets matched the classification levels of each document exactly and were serialized to match to the documents then sure, it's a no harm no foul situation. But they didn't match them to the documents, they just put top secret/ classified cover sheets on a bunch of documents and presented that to the court as if they were top secret/classified.

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That's not what they did. Nor is that Trump's argument, by the way. Trump's argument is they don't know where or in what order they found the documents, which is why the Government explains in that response how they handled the documents.


They removed documents when the document had classification markings and replaced the document where they found it with a corresponding cover sheet that had the document title, classification markings, description of subject matter and other identification information. (This is in the motion, read it, don't depend on Julie Kelly to tell you what it says)

They then put a cover sheet on the actual document, put the document in the box top, and then took a picture of the document next to the box it was pulled out of. (Example here: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490070/644/8/united-states-v-trump/


They're not hiding this, they're putting in public filings. They've said much of this before. And this isn't evidence tampering.