Trump indicted over classified documents

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aggiehawg
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What is your opinion on it?
Look Amy Berman is generally a very poor judge. Occasionally, she gets a few things right.

The PRA was passed in the wake of the Nixon tapes and Watergate. Part of a knee-jerk reaction that muddied the waters more than it cleared things up.

And that is why we are here, now. PRA is flawed. But it is still the law.
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fka ftc said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Agreed probably nope ...

But,

Trump could argue that as former president and current presidential candidate he falls within the meaning of 'other public ministers' under the Judicial Act of 1789 and therefore the Court is entitled to exercise original jurisdiction.
That's what I was getting at but its a whole new area. I tend to think we are squarely within "unprecedented" territory so SCOTUS is going to have to grow a pair this time around.

Unfortunately, SCOTUS saw what happened last time it applied the Constitution to a controversial issue. People tried to kill them at the encouragement of Libs and the DOJ stood idly by.

Just ****ing disgusting.
I'd be fine if they crafted a way to exercise original jurisdiction even if in an unprecedented fashion.

The people that drafted the Constitution and the Judicial Act of 1789 would probably agree that this it is the type of case that belonged immediately in front of court for an expeditious resolution.

There's also a public interest argument to be made. Indicting a former president and current presidential candidate smells like something that should be immediately dealt with at the supreme court level.

But agreed.

The SC doesn't have the sack to touch this tar baby until it's well done.

Which probably means 4-5 years from now, if they decide to take the case.
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Quote:

What is your opinion on it?
Look Amy Berman is generally a very poor judge. Occasionally, she gets a few things right.

The PRA was passed in the wake of the Nixon tapes and Watergate. Part of a knee-jerk reaction that muddied the waters more than it cleared things up.

And that is why we are here, now. PRA is flawed. But it is still the law.



Thanks Hawg! I was amazed that Jesse Waters got so far out over his skis on that Clinton case tonight. If wrong, he is gonna have total mud on his face. He was certain and apparently had his staff all over it today.
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Rapier108 said:

aggie93 said:


100% certain that the Only and Forever Tumpers will say this isn't enough and DeSantis is a deep state hack who is in on it.
And exactly as I predicted, Trumpsters losing their *****








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No problem.



Greg Jarrett now on Hannity saying, as did Jesse, that the whole case hinges in Trump's favor based on the Amy Berman decision you gave me the cite on.
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But, all that said,

And this is gonna upset some people,

The supreme court failing to immediately fast track and take up the constitutionality of the government mandating people to take forced experimental vaccinations without informed consent signaled the death knell of the rule of law as we know it.

So those hanging slabs of beef ain't gonna touch this case unless they absolutely have to.
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Bryanisbest said:

aggiehawg said:

No problem.



Greg Jarrett now on Hannity saying, as did Jesse, that the whole case hinges in Trump's favor based on the Amy Berman decision you cited.
Well, it was pretty damn clear and has not been reversed, nor the PRA amended to change her decision.

People who post here who were not around for the George Zimmerman trial don't know that I watched that trial in real time and posted here about what the attorneys and judge were doing and my takes.

Then a few hours later after my posts, Greta was saying the exact same things I had been saying, among other legal commentators. That's how I got my legal chops on TexAgs. The Zimmerman trial.
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aggiehawg said:

Bryanisbest said:

aggiehawg said:

No problem.



Greg Jarrett now on Hannity saying, as did Jesse, that the whole case hinges in Trump's favor based on the Amy Berman decision you cited.
Well, it was pretty damn clear and has not been reversed, nor the PRA amended to change her decision.

People who post here who were not around for the George Zimmerman trial don't know that I watched that trial in real time and posted here about what the attorneys and judge were doing and my takes.

Then a few hours later after my posts, Greta was saying the exact same things I had been saying, among other legal commentators. That's how I got my legal chops on TexAgs. The Zimmerman trial.



Right on, Hawg!
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aggiehawg said:

Bryanisbest said:

aggiehawg said:

No problem.



Greg Jarrett now on Hannity saying, as did Jesse, that the whole case hinges in Trump's favor based on the Amy Berman decision you cited.
Well, it was pretty damn clear and has not been reversed, nor the PRA amended to change her decision.

People who post here who were not around for the George Zimmerman trial don't know that I watched that trial in real time and posted here about what the attorneys and judge were doing and my takes.

Then a few hours later after my posts, Greta was saying the exact same things I had been saying, among other legal commentators. That's how I got my legal chops on TexAgs. The Zimmerman trial.


Member that one time I got it right!? Forgot the thousands of other posts. How are those slam dunk Murdaugh appeals going? Has he called for advice yet?
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Trumpists still in stages 1 and 2 of denial and anger.

but they better realize their best chance at keeping Dear Leader out of jail is backing DeSantis who will then pardon him.

that's their best hope right now.

Trump is LITERALLY ON TAPE discussing the commission of crimes (and laughing about it with his political staffer crony)

his attorneys just quit (again!!) because Trump lied to them about what he had done.

but for the cultists- this only means a conspiracy.

Yes, it is a conspiracy- to have dummies nominate the most flawed candidate in US history so that the leftists can beat his @# once again.
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DallasAg03 said:

aggiehawg said:

Bryanisbest said:

aggiehawg said:

No problem.



Greg Jarrett now on Hannity saying, as did Jesse, that the whole case hinges in Trump's favor based on the Amy Berman decision you cited.
Well, it was pretty damn clear and has not been reversed, nor the PRA amended to change her decision.

People who post here who were not around for the George Zimmerman trial don't know that I watched that trial in real time and posted here about what the attorneys and judge were doing and my takes.

Then a few hours later after my posts, Greta was saying the exact same things I had been saying, among other legal commentators. That's how I got my legal chops on TexAgs. The Zimmerman trial.


Member that one time I got it right!? Forgot the thousands of other posts. How are those slam dunk Murdaugh appeals going? Has he called for advice yet?
And your credentials are?
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LMCane said:

Trumpists still in stages 1 and 2 of denial and anger.

but they better realize their best chance at keeping Dear Leader out of jail is backing DeSantis who will then pardon him.

that's their best hope right now.

Trump is LITERALLY ON TAPE discussing the commission of crimes (and laughing about it with his political staffer crony)

his attorneys just quit (again!!) because Trump lied to them about what he had done.

but for the cultists- this only means a conspiracy.

Yes, it is a conspiracy- to have dummies nominate the most flawed candidate in US history so that the leftists can beat his @# once again.



Even if you stretch it to claim Trump thought he was discussing a crime, you can't discuss committing a crime that you mistakenly believe is a crime when it actually is not.

True colors of a DeSantis supporter siding with the Dems here. DeSantis himself has called for the end of Trump witch-hunts. Guess you haven't gotten the message.
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Ag with kids said:

DallasAg03 said:

aggiehawg said:

Bryanisbest said:

aggiehawg said:

No problem.



Greg Jarrett now on Hannity saying, as did Jesse, that the whole case hinges in Trump's favor based on the Amy Berman decision you cited.
Well, it was pretty damn clear and has not been reversed, nor the PRA amended to change her decision.

People who post here who were not around for the George Zimmerman trial don't know that I watched that trial in real time and posted here about what the attorneys and judge were doing and my takes.

Then a few hours later after my posts, Greta was saying the exact same things I had been saying, among other legal commentators. That's how I got my legal chops on TexAgs. The Zimmerman trial.


Member that one time I got it right!? Forgot the thousands of other posts. How are those slam dunk Murdaugh appeals going? Has he called for advice yet?
And your credentials are?


BS detector
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Bryanisbest said:

LMCane said:

Trumpists still in stages 1 and 2 of denial and anger.

but they better realize their best chance at keeping Dear Leader out of jail is backing DeSantis who will then pardon him.

that's their best hope right now.

Trump is LITERALLY ON TAPE discussing the commission of crimes (and laughing about it with his political staffer crony)

his attorneys just quit (again!!) because Trump lied to them about what he had done.

but for the cultists- this only means a conspiracy.

Yes, it is a conspiracy- to have dummies nominate the most flawed candidate in US history so that the leftists can beat his @# once again.



Even if you stretch it to claim Trump thought he was discussing a crime, you can't discuss committing a crime that you mistakenly believe is a crime when it actually is not.

True colors of a DeSantis supporter siding with the Dems here. DeSantis himself has called for the end of Trump witch-hunts. Guess you haven't gotten the message.


So the DOJ just indicted someone for something that isn't a crime? Talking heads will always find something to talk about, it's entertainment to sell ads
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so it's now "not a crime" to illegally take classified war documents?

and then discuss them with a political staffer WHO HAS NO SECURITY CLEARANCE?

improperly store them in a private bathroom?

and then lie to the DOJ about possessing such documents?

and refuse to turn them over to the USG?

so all that- but Trump can't be charged because there is "no crime".

at this point- the Trumpers are literally making up legal rationales and cases.

so why was Trump shouting "lock her up" against Hillary Clinton if the handling of classified information is not a crime?

Trump is literally on tape bragging about it!
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improperly store them in a private bathroom?
You want to go there? Really?
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You know how I know your opinion is worthless? Trying to pick a fight with aggiehawg.
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DallasAg03 said:

Bryanisbest said:

LMCane said:

Trumpists still in stages 1 and 2 of denial and anger.

but they better realize their best chance at keeping Dear Leader out of jail is backing DeSantis who will then pardon him.

that's their best hope right now.

Trump is LITERALLY ON TAPE discussing the commission of crimes (and laughing about it with his political staffer crony)

his attorneys just quit (again!!) because Trump lied to them about what he had done.

but for the cultists- this only means a conspiracy.

Yes, it is a conspiracy- to have dummies nominate the most flawed candidate in US history so that the leftists can beat his @# once again.



Even if you stretch it to claim Trump thought he was discussing a crime, you can't discuss committing a crime that you mistakenly believe is a crime when it actually is not.

True colors of a DeSantis supporter siding with the Dems here. DeSantis himself has called for the end of Trump witch-hunts. Guess you haven't gotten the message.


So the DOJ just indicted someone for something that isn't a crime? Talking heads will always find something to talk about, it's entertainment to sell ads



Yes, prosecutors do indict people for alleged crimes that are not actually crimes. Happens every day all across America. Alvin Bragg did it not long ago. I expect it will happen a couple more times before Trump is done in 2028.
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Yes, prosecutors do indict people for alleged crimes that are not actually crimes and things that are not crimes. Happens every day all across America.
And until prosecutors are Nifonged because of it, will continue.
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Bryanisbest said:

DallasAg03 said:

Bryanisbest said:

LMCane said:

Trumpists still in stages 1 and 2 of denial and anger.

but they better realize their best chance at keeping Dear Leader out of jail is backing DeSantis who will then pardon him.

that's their best hope right now.

Trump is LITERALLY ON TAPE discussing the commission of crimes (and laughing about it with his political staffer crony)

his attorneys just quit (again!!) because Trump lied to them about what he had done.

but for the cultists- this only means a conspiracy.

Yes, it is a conspiracy- to have dummies nominate the most flawed candidate in US history so that the leftists can beat his @# once again.



Even if you stretch it to claim Trump thought he was discussing a crime, you can't discuss committing a crime that you mistakenly believe is a crime when it actually is not.

True colors of a DeSantis supporter siding with the Dems here. DeSantis himself has called for the end of Trump witch-hunts. Guess you haven't gotten the message.


So the DOJ just indicted someone for something that isn't a crime? Talking heads will always find something to talk about, it's entertainment to sell ads



Yes, prosecutors do indict people for alleged crimes that are not actually crimes and things that are not crimes. Happens every day all across America.

Sure if you count state and local but the stats say DOJ indictments stick. Do you realize how embarrassing it would be to get tossed on 1st review?
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Yes, prosecutors do indict people for alleged crimes that are not actually crimes and things that are not crimes. Happens every day all across America.
And until prosecutors are Nifonged because of it, will continue.

totally agree we need more accountability here
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Oh yes, the DOJ is perfect. Especially, Merrick Garland.
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Orange Man Bad. LOL.

Sorry your boy gonna lose.

… But his boxes.


DeSantis '24.
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Bryanisbest said:

Oh yes, the DOJ is perfect. Especially, the current AG,

Surely not at all, just thinking their case will get tossed is wishful thinking; backed up by talking heads trying to sell you insurance
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GeorgiAg said:

Orange Man Bad. LOL.

Sorry your boy gonna lose.

… But his boxes.


DeSantis '24.

You mean Biden '24. That's who you're voting for.
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DallasAg03 said:

aggiehawg said:

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Yes, prosecutors do indict people for alleged crimes that are not actually crimes and things that are not crimes. Happens every day all across America.
And until prosecutors are Nifonged because of it, will continue.

totally agree we need more accountability here
You called me a quack.
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GeorgiAg said:

Orange Man Bad. LOL.

Sorry your boy gonna lose.

… But his boxes.


DeSantis '24.



Votes for cornpop, roots for garland, but claims to like Desantis.....


Yea, ok
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"elderly millenials"?!

not sure you know the ages of all those in the DOJ who are part of this prosecution. it's hundreds of people across the government.

what difference does their age make.

the law is very clear about this. so clear, that a TRUMP APPOINTED Judge has let the case proceed.

regardless of the grasping at straws by the Trump Legal Eagles.
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Rockdoc said:

GeorgiAg said:

Orange Man Bad. LOL.

Sorry your boy gonna lose.

… But his boxes.


DeSantis '24.

You mean Biden '24. That's who you're voting for.


A vote for Trump is a vote for Biden. Dude stored nuclear secrets in a bathroom. What ass clown still wants to vote for him?
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Bathrooms are bad but open garages with crackhead son gets your seal of approval.

I am actually starting to feel a bit sorry for you. Well no, not really.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown

"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
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Which law? The PRA?
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown

"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
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Anyone see anything about this?

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Yay!

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GeorgiAg said:

Rockdoc said:

GeorgiAg said:

Orange Man Bad. LOL.

Sorry your boy gonna lose.

… But his boxes.


DeSantis '24.

You mean Biden '24. That's who you're voting for.


A vote for Trump is a vote for Biden. Dude stored nuclear secrets in a bathroom. What ass clown still wants to vote for him?

What nuclear secrets? Let's see them.
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