Trump indicted over classified documents

279,790 Views | 3652 Replies | Last: 7 hrs ago by aggiehawg
RoadkillBBQ
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Whistle Pig said:

Artorias said:

I could only imagine the endless rioting and constant claims of Fascism being spewed over every media outlet 24/7 if a Republican administration indicted a former Democrat POTUS and leading candidate.


A grand jury in a red state issued the indictment. His hand picked MAGA judge is assigned to the case. He's getting a fairer shake than anybody else. Anyone and everybody in similar circumstances would have been arrested a year ago.
I must have missed Hillary getting perp walked.
Can you send me a link?
AggieVictor10
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

AggieVictor10 said:

Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

AggieVictor10 said:

If true, bury him under the jail


If what is true? This isn't hard to follow.



Seems like your mind, like many others on this board, is already made up.

Mine is not and honestly, I don't really give a **** what happens to 45. I am just saying that if he broke a law, he should be punished. Similarly, if Biden broken any laws, he should also be punished.
Again, I don't really give a **** what happens to these "ruling class "*******s (outside of posting on a message board about it).

Not sure what else you want.


Cool, man. Your casual ignorance doesn't make you enlightened, though.

Some of us understand history, declassification, have a shred of common sense, etc. and can see exactly what this nonsense is and will lead to. I don't like Trump at all but I can separate my feelings from the critical thinking part of my brain.

Congratulations on not caring though…while you continue to post on this thread. Also, you're not enlightened or "above it all" whatsoever. You just come off as incredibly naive.


Are you OK?

Do you feel better now?

Chump will probably OK, don't worry about it.
hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. good times create weak men. and weak men create hard times.

less virtue signaling, more vice signaling.

Birds aren’t real
Lol,lmao
fka ftc
How long do you want to ignore this user?
What's truly amazing in the fact that is a missed important step, why did NARA not file a civil suit for the documents? Instead, if memory serves, the NARA guy was told by the WH counsel to get with the DOJ / FBI to get the docs back. That is NOT the normal process.

They missed a big, important step in a zeal to "get him". Much of the rest is pure noise.

Would be nice if staff had not nuked the 400+page raid on mar-a-Lago thread. Much of these nuances had been covered at the time.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown

"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
aggiehawg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Quote:

Walt Nauta, an aide to former President Donald Trump, has been charged by the special counsel as part of the probe into Trump's taking of classified information, ABC News has learned.
Quote:

Nauta was indicted by the same grand jury in Florida, sources told ABC News. It is not immediately clear what the exact charges are and an attorney for Nauta declined to comment when contacted by ABC News.

Nauta served as a valet in the Trump White House and left his role to join Trump as a personal aide in early 2021.

Trump praised Nauta in a Truth Social post, writing that he was a Navy veteran "who served proudly with me in the White House, retired as Senior Chief, and then transitioned into private life as a personal aide."

"He has done a fantastic job!" Trump said.
ABC News
RoadkillBBQ
How long do you want to ignore this user?
LMCane said:

That's not the ways lawyers leave cases because of a sudden change in venue

and this was planned for Miami all along

obviously, like EVERYONE who works for Trump- they can't take it anymore.
Exactly
It's been a constant barrage by the criminal left the last 7 years. People are worn out and scared. And we're not even privy to the back room threats by their Stasi the FBI and DOJ.
fka ftc
How long do you want to ignore this user?
He must have been the bag man for the $2MM Trump received for selling the "How to Invade Iran" plans to the Afghans.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown

"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
Sarge 91
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
coconutED said:

But they really want him to run and be the nominee.
Yes, they do. And they want him to be under a cloud of Federal indictment when he does!
Im Gipper
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Per people on Twitter (so unverified) he is accused of moving boxes so they could not be searched when they knew Feds were coming to look at what Trump had.

I'm Gipper
fka ftc
How long do you want to ignore this user?
You mean he was accused of moving boxes to a more secure room with a new lock because the FBI told Trump to do just that.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown

"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
Gigem314
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
No Spin Ag said:

Gigem314 said:

Quote:

You make good points. I agree that the government is overreaching. They always do, always have, and always will.

I guess the thing to me is that how much of the anger right now by Trump's supporters would be there if Trump had a D by his name? And vice versa for those on the left.
If Trump had a D next to his name, he'd be in his second term and all of his annoyances would be overlooked or spun as a positive by the same people calling for him to be charged now. He would never have been investigated as a Democrat. He would have been lionized like he was as a celebrity by the media before he took sides in politics.

Quote:

Because the fact is, so long as people support or excuse things solely by who is on "their side", things like this will continue and the country will continue to become even worse because of it. Both sides need to do better and both need to be held accountable not just by the other side but their own.
That's the reason Trump was able to run and win in the first place, because there was no accountability from either party and the voters gave them the middle finger with a strong-tongued guy who wanted to do things differently. And for that...we're told that Trump is actually the more corrupt one and not the establishment from both parties. All this is doing is creating the next 'Trump' down the road.

Quote:

As for Trump, even if Trump did what they are saying he did, I don't see him doing it for any reason other than him being his usual "in gonna do it because I want to and you can't stop me" mentality. Nothing more, nothing less, and nothing nefarious.
So you hold Trump to that standard, but not the democrats or their agencies going after Trump because they want to? Again, this is bigger than Trump. He's one man. The overreaction to him as President has exposed numerous others for what they are more than it has for Trump's personality and ego.


I want them so held accountable. If someone on the right looks into those agencies and finds something wrong then they should be held to account whatever that means. That goes for Biden as well.

No one should be able to get away with anything just because they're in office or the government.

I hope I cleared that up, because there's not much daylight on how we see things like this. I'm more than happy to burn down my side if it means things get better.
Except in the real world it doesn't work that way. Republicans have been spending the past two years pointing out Biden's wrong doings. The media sat on the story intentionally, social media outlets scrubbed any serious discussion of it, and the DOJ/FBI filled with Obama loyalists and new Biden loyalists are only interested in protecting their party. So when the right 'looks into those agencies' - they are brushed off or accused of being conspiracy theorists.

Democrats want a stronger, larger, more powerful, Federal govt...and the institutions that get held up and funded by the Fed govt are more than happy to comply. And when the Republicans run on making the govt smaller or pointing out corruption, they are accused of being racists or traitors. And if the Democrats don't get what they want, they'll accept chaos or doubt in the system as a consolation.

The behavior from the Dems since the Obama years is only going to fuel the push by either party to control the other though the DOJ, FBI, etc. moving forward. It's not leading to actual impartial justice based on law, it's simply leading to punishing political enemies. Even if a DeSantis can get 2 terms and clean it up, the next Democrat will follow the same playbook as Obama/Biden or worse.
Im Gipper
How long do you want to ignore this user?
More on Valet Nauta:

"Turn on Trump and maybe you get a judgeship". WOW if true.


I'm Gipper
fka ftc
How long do you want to ignore this user?
The Democrats want a totally different United States of America and totally different form of government than over half the Country wants. To protect their minority interests, they are persecuting the majority at every turn. That's not how our Country was conceptualized and founded upon.

I think a split is more likely than not at this point. We need to return to the plural understanding of the United States and not the one Lincoln mischaracterized by saying the United States must be a singular entity.

It should be a collective (really confederacy but since libs think such a term is racist regardless of meaning) of states with federal government provided shared, agreed upon services such as national defense and such. States should be given much much more power to self rule.

States should be allowed to join other similar minded states in how they rule themselves allowing for a separation that does not completely destroy the US.

Process does not have to be violent, but since the Dems have shown they only know violence as an answer to things they don't like or agree with, then I am not overly hopeful.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown

"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
aggiehawg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
No Spin Ag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Gigem314 said:

No Spin Ag said:

Gigem314 said:

Quote:

You make good points. I agree that the government is overreaching. They always do, always have, and always will.

I guess the thing to me is that how much of the anger right now by Trump's supporters would be there if Trump had a D by his name? And vice versa for those on the left.
If Trump had a D next to his name, he'd be in his second term and all of his annoyances would be overlooked or spun as a positive by the same people calling for him to be charged now. He would never have been investigated as a Democrat. He would have been lionized like he was as a celebrity by the media before he took sides in politics.

Quote:

Because the fact is, so long as people support or excuse things solely by who is on "their side", things like this will continue and the country will continue to become even worse because of it. Both sides need to do better and both need to be held accountable not just by the other side but their own.
That's the reason Trump was able to run and win in the first place, because there was no accountability from either party and the voters gave them the middle finger with a strong-tongued guy who wanted to do things differently. And for that...we're told that Trump is actually the more corrupt one and not the establishment from both parties. All this is doing is creating the next 'Trump' down the road.

Quote:

As for Trump, even if Trump did what they are saying he did, I don't see him doing it for any reason other than him being his usual "in gonna do it because I want to and you can't stop me" mentality. Nothing more, nothing less, and nothing nefarious.
So you hold Trump to that standard, but not the democrats or their agencies going after Trump because they want to? Again, this is bigger than Trump. He's one man. The overreaction to him as President has exposed numerous others for what they are more than it has for Trump's personality and ego.


I want them so held accountable. If someone on the right looks into those agencies and finds something wrong then they should be held to account whatever that means. That goes for Biden as well.

No one should be able to get away with anything just because they're in office or the government.

I hope I cleared that up, because there's not much daylight on how we see things like this. I'm more than happy to burn down my side if it means things get better.
Except in the real world it doesn't work that way. Republicans have been spending the past two years pointing out Biden's wrong doings. The media sat on the story intentionally, social media outlets scrubbed any serious discussion of it, and the DOJ/FBI filled with Obama loyalists and new Biden loyalists are only interested in protecting their party. So when the right 'looks into those agencies' - they are brushed off or accused of being conspiracy theorists.

Democrats want a stronger, larger, more powerful, Federal govt...and the institutions that get held up and funded by the Fed govt are more than happy to comply. And when the Republicans run on making the govt smaller or pointing out corruption, they are accused of being racists or traitors. And if the Democrats don't get what they want, they'll accept chaos or doubt in the system as a consolation.

The behavior from the Dems since the Obama years is only going to fuel the push by either party to control the other though the DOJ, FBI, etc. moving forward. It's not leading to actual impartial justice based on law, it's simply leading to punishing political enemies. Even if a DeSantis can get 2 terms and clean it up, the next Democrat will follow the same playbook as Obama/Biden or worse.


You're right, the real world sucks. There's no magic bullet to fix things, and I wish there was.

And you're right, if Desantis does get things straightened up some it might be for not if the flipside Democrat comes in and undoes it.

I guess that's why I say it has to be changed from the bottom up, because one person in the White House can't do it. The system was designed to make sure of that.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
StandUpforAmerica
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Ags77
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Breaking news ..... the indictments are about to be unsealed.
will25u
How long do you want to ignore this user?
will25u
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Ags77
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
According to the indictments, twice Trump showed classified docs to people without clearance and was quoted as telling them " I shouldn't be showing you this ". This happened in New Jersey at trumps property.
Ags77
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Also while classified documents were at mara lago, they were seen in the ballroom at Mara Lago where gatherings routinely took place. They have a photo of the documents on the stage in the ballroom.
aggie93
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
AGHouston11 said:

aggie93 said:

AGHouston11 said:

LMCane said:

The Green Dragon said:

I ****ing told you over a year ago and all I got was CM! You couldn't open your eyes and realize that it's possible to resent a prosecution but also say what's gonna happen.

The guy is going to prison. Unless there is some sort of exception for presidents that I don't know about, he's going to prison.

And I'd vote for trump in a second. I'm just stating what's going to happen. The Feds do not indict unless they are certain to convict. To the deluded trump fanbois: this is happening. It's real.

if the Trump cultists were smart, they would ensure DeSantis wins to then pardon their guy

but since they are not intelligent, they will back a flailing out of control 80 year old who will go down to a worse defeat than Bob Dole in 1996

If Trump was at all intelligent, he would drop out now and back DeSantis. that would ensure he could get a pardon and maybe the leftists then drop their trials against him since he is no longer relevant.


So you are only intelligent if you support Desantis
Thats a great strategy
I don't know that it is a strategy but it is the truth. What is happening to Trump is completely wrong and we need to fight back but it is also true that Trump is not going to win the election. Fair or not there is significant evidence he committed a crime. Fair or not all Trump's campaign is going to be about is his multiple indictments. Fair or not Trump is turning 77 in a few days. Trump's argument is also going to have to shift from "I'm innocent" to "Well, I what I did wasn't that illegal and Democrats have done worse."

None of that is going to result in him winning. Independents and Women already hate him and this will make them hate him more, especially after hearing about it for the next year along with the additional indictments to come. That sucks but its reality.

If he is the nominee and loses we are completely screwed. The Dems will stack the SC and it's all over. If DeSantis is the nominee he likely wins, pardons Trump, and reforms the Deep State or at least has a real chance to do so because he is the best qualified to do so.

Thus the intelligent option is DeSantis even if you are a Trump supporter.


The arrogance of your post is laughable. "If Desantis wins the primary he wins". Like I said every post you make makes me less likely to support Desantis. You are doing a great job of turning people away that's your goal.
I don't know why you think it is arrogance that I am saying Trump has made himself toxic to Independents and women and you can't win without those groups. DeSantis isn't a lock to win either but he has a much better chance than Trump because he has that crossover appeal, he has more money and a better organization.

Personally I think the plan is for to push for Trump to be the nominee and let Trump build a huge case about how Biden is corrupt and unfit as his campaign. Then the Dems just dump Biden, likely for "health reasons" and put in Harris or Newsom, likely Newsom. Newsom will beat Trump.

If it is DeSantis that's a much tougher case for the Dems. DeSantis doesn't have the baggage of Biden and he is so much better as a communicator. I just don't see how Biden wins. Then if they go with Newsom that makes it a very easy "Do you want Florida or California?" choice and DeSantis is holding the high ground there.

Trump is going to get likely 2 more indictments and his entire campaign is going to be centered around fighting them. It's wrong, very wrong, but the reality is he was already flawed and now I don't see how he can overcome all of that with Independents. You can blame DeSantis or me all you want for that I guess. I'll vote for Trump if he is the candidate but I just don't see a path to victory for him.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Ronald Reagan
Maroon Dawn
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
THATS it

That's what they're charging?!

While Hillary walks free and Biden openly sells his office to foreign governments?!

This country is officially a 3rd world banana republic
Ags77
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
FireAg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Got him?

He's doing better in the polls than he's supposed to be…
BigRobSA
How long do you want to ignore this user?
When you're President, pretty much everything coming into your hands is some level of "classified". What were this supposedly earth-shatteringly classified docs?


Seems much ado about nothing, and I don't even like Trump.
FireAg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Maroon Dawn said:

THATS it

That's what they're charging?!

While Hillary walks free and Biden openly sells his office to foreign governments?!

This country is officially a 3rd world banana republic

At some point, we are going to have to take this Republic back by force…
Ags77
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Another person was indicted and apparently they have tape of Trump and the other person indicted discussing lying to the FBI
MarkTwain
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Ags77 said:

31 counts.. not 7


At least get it right

38 federal counts, including willful retention of national defense information, conspiracy to obstruct justice, and false statements
Ags77
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Foreverconservative said:

Ags77 said:

31 counts.. not 7


At least get it right

38 federal counts, including willful retention of national defense information, conspiracy to obstruct justice, and false statements


Thanks for clarification...I'm watching it live
TAMU1990
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Ags77 said:

Another person was indicted and apparently they have tape of Trump and the other person indicted discussing lying to the FBI
Other person... meaning his lawyer?
Ags77
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
A think a former white house staffer that went to work with him in Florida ?
Maroon Dawn
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Ags77 said:

Another person was indicted and apparently they have tape of Trump and the other person indicted discussing lying to the FBI


Oh no…Lying to the Stasi
TAMU1990
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
They seized his private conversations with his lawyer and it's mentioned in the indictment. They specifically are using a conversation between Trump and his lawyer to charge him. The counts are piled on to look impressive but it's about the documents. Just like when they charged him in NYC.

Where's Biden's indictment?
Ags77
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Candidate Trump said he would not stand for this type of behavior.
Maroon Dawn
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Ags77 said:

Candidate Trump said he would not stand for this type of behavior.


^ Behold the target leftist demographic

Now they don't have to trouble their heads about defending Biden selling his office to the highest foreign bidder
First Page Last Page
Page 11 of 105
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.