OFFICIAL ****Donald Trump versus Ron DeSantis*** thread...

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TRM said:


So the "unpopular" gov is more popular than Trump in every county.
BTW, DeSantis has campaigned on the ground in all 99 counties.
He did leave off the campaigning to return to Florida during the recent hurricane.
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Trump has turned into a total clown. All he does is attack conservatives and quote polls 24/7

This is not the guy to fix this country.
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More about the endorsement.

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Virtually everything out of Trump's mouth these days is a lie or gaslighting. He's everything the conservative Trump supporters on here claim that Dems are. But at rallies he makes dumb insults in stupid voices with a weird accent, meanwhile he's an online toughguy who tweets out rambling attacks on anyone and everyone.

So of course we need to elect him President.
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Wonder what nickname Trump will come up with for this guy?


"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

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Dan Scott said:




Community notes continues to serve as a great antidote to Trump's blatant lies.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

Dan Scott said:




Community notes continues to serve as a great antidote to all blatant lies.
FIFY. It's about a lot more than Trump, it's about having a way to call out anyone pushing false or misleading information.
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FL_Ag1998 said:

conservative Trump supporters


I'll take "Things that never existed." For $1000, Alex
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Damn Trump looks terrible. This is not going to end well for him, getting old sucks.

"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

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Dude, you're so wrong. Trump's own doctor just released his findings that Trump is in such good health he's actually aging in reverse!

https://www.newstribune.com/news/2023/nov/21/trump-releases-doctors-note-saying-hes-in/

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Donald Trump marked President Joe Biden 's 81st birthday on Monday by releasing a letter from his physician that reports the former president is in "excellent" physical and mental health.....

a New Jersey physician who says he has been Trump's doctor since 2021 and most recently examined him in September, reported that Trump's "physical exams were well within the normal range and his cognitive exams were exceptional."....

He added Trump's most recent lab results were "even more favorable than prior testing on some of the most significant parameters" thanks to recent weight loss he credited to "improved diet and continued daily physical exercise, while maintaining a rigorous schedule."

The doctor concluded the 77-year-old is "currently in excellent health" and "will continue to enjoy a healthy active lifestyle for years to come."


See guys? If we just elect Trump President by the end of his term he'll be working 20 hr days, winning triathalons, and donating his miracle blood to science for study so we can perfect the human race and all live forever!
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/ignore-trump-democrats-now-want-180741342.html


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Biden's reelection campaign and Democratic officials across the party's spectrum have landed on a new solution to his political slump:

More Trump.....


Behind the improbable longing for the former president to gobble up political oxygen again is Democrats' yearslong dependence on the Trump outrage machine. Since his ascent, Trump has been a one-man Democratic turnout operation, uniting an otherwise fractured opposition and fueling victories in three straight election cycles.

Now, Democrats worry that the fever of Trump fatigue has passed, and that some voters are softening toward a man they once loathed. Many others may simply be paying little attention, as Trump's share of the daily national conversation has diminished......

Biden's campaign, which has been slow to ramp up its operations, is betting that once voters view the election as a choice between Biden and Trump, who remains highly polarizing, they will set aside their reservations about the president and fall in line behind him.....

"Not having the day-to-day chaos of Donald Trump in people's faces certainly has an impact on how people are measuring the urgency of the danger of another Trump administration," said Adrianne Shropshire, the executive director of BlackPAC, an African American political organizing group. "It is important to remind people of what a total and absolute disaster Trump was."...

Several voters who backed Biden in 2020 and are now leaning toward Trump said they had not followed the ins and outs of the former president's post-White House activities and tended to discount and brush aside his past scandals....

Those sorts of sentiments have left the Biden campaign this past week to engage in its own media criticism, publicly urging news shows on network television to follow New York Times articles about Trump's plans for immigration and deportation policies if he wins the election....

"The more people see and hear from Donald Trump and what he has planned for the country if he regains power, the better off Democrats will be up and down the ballot," said Ben Wikler, the chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin. "Trump's voracious need for attention works to Democrats' advantage."....

Jon Soltz, a co-founder and chair of VoteVets, a liberal veterans group, cautioned Democrats to be patient.

"There's a huge amount of the population right now that doesn't realize that Trump is going to be the Republican nominee for president," he said. "When that happens, you will see a different response."


This is what many of us have been saying for a while, and here is one of the most prominent liberal mouthpieces saying the quiet part out loud.

The media is intentionally not reporting anywhere close to what they used to report on Trump, but once he's the nominee the Dems will fully push to have Trump the cover story on every paper and network in America. And there's no doubt the media will fully comply, and it won't be positive. They'll be blowing his comments like "vermin" out of proportion and context, quoting his rambling incoherent Truth posts, showing extremely unflattering recent pics of him looking old and unhealthy, and reminding every voter of Jan 6th and the trials.

Now, just imagine the Reps had a young candidate without all of that baggage that could attack the Dems on their policies and keep the focus on that.

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FL_Ag1998 said:




https://www.yahoo.com/news/ignore-trump-democrats-now-want-180741342.html


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Biden's reelection campaign and Democratic officials across the party's spectrum have landed on a new solution to his political slump:

More Trump.....


Behind the improbable longing for the former president to gobble up political oxygen again is Democrats' yearslong dependence on the Trump outrage machine. Since his ascent, Trump has been a one-man Democratic turnout operation, uniting an otherwise fractured opposition and fueling victories in three straight election cycles.

Now, Democrats worry that the fever of Trump fatigue has passed, and that some voters are softening toward a man they once loathed. Many others may simply be paying little attention, as Trump's share of the daily national conversation has diminished......

Biden's campaign, which has been slow to ramp up its operations, is betting that once voters view the election as a choice between Biden and Trump, who remains highly polarizing, they will set aside their reservations about the president and fall in line behind him.....

"Not having the day-to-day chaos of Donald Trump in people's faces certainly has an impact on how people are measuring the urgency of the danger of another Trump administration," said Adrianne Shropshire, the executive director of BlackPAC, an African American political organizing group. "It is important to remind people of what a total and absolute disaster Trump was."...

Several voters who backed Biden in 2020 and are now leaning toward Trump said they had not followed the ins and outs of the former president's post-White House activities and tended to discount and brush aside his past scandals....

Those sorts of sentiments have left the Biden campaign this past week to engage in its own media criticism, publicly urging news shows on network television to follow New York Times articles about Trump's plans for immigration and deportation policies if he wins the election....

"The more people see and hear from Donald Trump and what he has planned for the country if he regains power, the better off Democrats will be up and down the ballot," said Ben Wikler, the chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin. "Trump's voracious need for attention works to Democrats' advantage."....

Jon Soltz, a co-founder and chair of VoteVets, a liberal veterans group, cautioned Democrats to be patient.

"There's a huge amount of the population right now that doesn't realize that Trump is going to be the Republican nominee for president," he said. "When that happens, you will see a different response."


This is what many of us have been saying for a while, and here is one of the most prominent liberal mouthpieces saying the quiet part out loud.

The media is intentionally not reporting anywhere close to what they used to report on Trump, but once he's the nominee the Dems will fully push to have Trump the cover story on every paper and network in America. And there's no doubt the media will fully comply, and it won't be positive. They'll be blowing his comments like "vermin" out of proportion and context, quoting his rambling incoherent Truth posts, showing extremely unflattering recent pics of him looking old and unhealthy, and reminding every voter of Jan 6th and the trials.

Now, just imagine the Reps had a young candidate without all of that baggage that could attack the Dems on their policies and keep the focus on that.


The real danger that most Trump folks don't understand is that once that cycle starts with Trump and people sour on him again there is no coming back. Trump is literally being propped up by polls right now and polls are easily manipulated. The same Dem polls showing Trump up more than any others right now turns on him and then his already tepid enthusiasm will drop through the floor and the entire GOP ticket will go down with him.

The Dems tested this strategy during 2022. They pushed and even funded in some cases Trump candidates in primaries and then as soon as they had the nomination they went scorched Earth on them and virtually all of them lost, many badly. They are clearly doing the same thing on a larger scale. Trump is out there actively collaborating with the MSM as well thinking he is playing them while they are laughing their asses off. The play is so obvious yet so many are blind to it because they want revenge or they wish we could wind the clock back to 2019.

I mean if you actually believe that DeSantis got the endorsement from Reynolds in Iowa and he has been campaigning with her and it didn't move the needle in that state I don't know what to tell you.
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back to reality....spread between Trump and the rest is getting wider....unfortunately for his followers, be like Jeb Bush all over again.




https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/21/gop-primary-poll-trump-hits-new-levels-dominance/
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sorry, not sorry

but Trump is no where in DeSantis league



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FL_Ag1998 said:

Virtually everything out of Trump's mouth these days is a lie or gaslighting. He's everything the conservative Trump supporters on here claim that Dems are. But at rallies he makes dumb insults in stupid voices with a weird accent, meanwhile he's an online toughguy who tweets out rambling attacks on anyone and everyone.

So of course we need to elect him President.
Don't worry- the Trumpers will be on here in November 2024 blaming the following parties for Trump's curbstomping loss and total democrat party control of the government:

It was the VP selection that caused the loss

it was DeSantis supporters responsible for the loss

It was fake polls

It was too much money that the democrats had

cheating

fake news

CMs

Never Trumpers

Deep State
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PA24 said:

back to reality....spread between Trump and the rest is getting wider....unfortunately for his followers, be like Jeb Bush all over again.




https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/21/gop-primary-poll-trump-hits-new-levels-dominance/


Reality =/= polls. Sorry, not sorry.
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Polls R sRs bizness







....literally, they are. Bought and paid for and totally unscientific/stupid.
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The polls and Trump health stories are looking more and more like North Korean PR releases. It's like they have to top the previous story on how well and how amazing the Dear Leader is doing. It's just a little ridiculous at this point.
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FL_Ag1998 said:

PA24 said:

back to reality....spread between Trump and the rest is getting wider....unfortunately for his followers, be like Jeb Bush all over again.




https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/21/gop-primary-poll-trump-hits-new-levels-dominance/


Reality =/= polls. Sorry, not sorry.
Yeah, the Trump influencers are now mad at Vivek for a couple reasons. He's not advertising against DeSantis like he said and they want that extra 4% support from him.

DeSantis has 10x the volunteers in Iowa (20000 to 1800) than Trump and it's only going to get larger.

You have not only Vander Plaats and Reynolds endorsement, but people like Lance Lillibridge, former president of the Iowa Corn Growers Association, backing DeSantis. All this is going to add up in the last 2 month stretch in Iowa.
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Phatbob said:

The polls and Trump health stories are looking more and more like North Korean PR releases. It's like they have to top the previous story on how well and how amazing the Dear Leader is doing. It's just a little ridiculous at this point.
They could at least lie a little better. I mean DeSantis has a great debate followed by huge endorsements and a multitude of great interviews and appearances and we are supposed to believe he is going backwards in the polls into Christie territory. Sure thing. Folks like Reynolds and Vander Plaats don't bet their political futures on someone with no chance of winning.

The only thing I will trust is what the Caucus results are in a little over 50 days.
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aggie93 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

Dan Scott said:




Community notes continues to serve as a great antidote to all blatant lies.
FIFY. It's about a lot more than Trump, it's about having a way to call out anyone pushing false or misleading information.


Definitely agreed and hope we start to see it more.
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TRM said:


But PA24 has told us time and again that Trump will win the election because of the "rural vote."

And that includes on this very thread, more than once.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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TRM said:

FL_Ag1998 said:

PA24 said:

back to reality....spread between Trump and the rest is getting wider....unfortunately for his followers, be like Jeb Bush all over again.




https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/21/gop-primary-poll-trump-hits-new-levels-dominance/


Reality =/= polls. Sorry, not sorry.
Yeah, the Trump influencers are now mad at Vivek for a couple reasons. He's not advertising against DeSantis like he said and they want that extra 4% support from him.

DeSantis has 10x the volunteers in Iowa (20000 to 1800) than Trump and it's only going to get larger.

You have not only Vander Plaats and Reynolds endorsement, but people like Lance Lillibridge, former president of the Iowa Corn Growers Association, backing DeSantis. All this is going to add up in the last 2 month stretch in Iowa.

when Ron D gets to the 99th and last Iowa county- isn't that for an endorsement of "The Full Grassley"

that was what they were hinting at yesterday..
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Rapier108 said:

TRM said:


But PA24 has told us time and again that Trump will win the election because of the "rural vote."

And that includes on this very thread, more than once.
Rural America loves the Donald, this much is true.

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Grassley endorsement would be nice. He's also old enough to not worry about making MAGA mad for his next election.
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Dan Scott said:

Grassley endorsement would be nice. He's also old enough to not worry about making MAGA mad for his next election.
JFC...I HOPE Grassley doesn't run again.

He's 89 and won LAST YEAR. That means he'd be 94 in the next election.

We're worried about two octogenarians running for POTUS and Grassley is a decade older.

But, he's also firmly entrenched in Iowa and his endorsement means A LOT in that state.
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It's all relative. If you don't know what DeSantis means here, then wait until Trump wins the nomination. The media coverage and criminal prosecutions will be scaled up by orders of magnitude.
Why are you soo happy about that? Why are you so passive about out criminal justice system being used to manipulate federal elections? And no one cares? Except me, I guess.

Forget Trump. This is about principles and our country. Worship DeSantis all you want but they will be coming for him next.They sued Palin out of office. They will do the same to DeSantis just because his supporters are the ones who have zero clue on how the past MSM primary loved for GOP noms, turns which they get the nom.

Only now, it will not be ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, MSNBC. It will be DOJ. Be careful what you are asking for here. This is a precedent being set.


Surely your questions weren't pointed at my post? I was simply stating truths: Once Trump wins the nomination, the charade will be ramped back up to level 11. I'm not asking/hoping for this but it is reality. Perhaps it's you that needs to "forget Trump".

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He's lost his damn mind
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Don't worry his Thanksgiving message is inspiring.
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TRM said:

Don't worry his Thanksgiving message is inspiring.

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