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Today Trump is at 39% in New Hampshire and 46% in SC. in their own biased ridiculous polls

this is a guy that is one of the most famous men in the entire world- who was a sitting President. who is on the news every single day.

and he can't get a majority IN HIS OWN POLITICAL PARTY. much less independents and democrats.

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But the same thing can be said about DeSantis, can it not? If he's gaining traction, I haven't seen evidence of that. What am I missing here?

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The point of that post was to point out that Trump is polling so low. The same Trump, who according to his supporters, every voter will come crawling back on their hands and knees to vote for because they're tired of Biden and the Dems.

The same Trump who supposedly is beloved by all the common-folk across the land.

The same Trump who is such a shoe-in to win the Primary and General that he doesn't even really need to campaign.

The same proven warrior Trump who is the greatest President in American history.

That same Trump is polling horribly in his own party in his own polls. Let's avoid the whataboutisms and try to reconcile the narrative being portrayed about Trump versus the polling results.

And to be clear, I stopped believing political polls years ago. But since these polls are beloved by many on here, let's debate these results.

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As if Trump's huge lead isn't enough, it looks like he's maneuvered the nominating system to make sure he's the republican nominee. Team Trump has been quietly changing how states use their delegate rules. Is this how you want the game to be played?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-team-changes-obscure-gop-100030663.html

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I just read that article and I'm confused. I thought Trump was a man of the people. That he had 200 million supporters ready to vote for him. So much grass roots support that he doesn't even need to campaign.

But if that's the case, why would he need to collude with GOP insiders and officials to change the nomination rules?

And that sure sounds "swampy" to me. Sounds like something that a political elite and insider would do, not something done by a proven warrior-outsider-maverick who's fighting against the machine.

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It's just so painful that we have to go down with him. After his resounding defeat in the general maybe even the Trumpers will get it and we'll never have to see him again. I guess we can hope for DeSantis in 2028 if there's still a country to hope for.

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When Trump loses, they'll spend 2 years whining about fraud, then prepare for Trump 2028.

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Oh...it'll be 4 years all the way up until the next loss. Then rinse and repeat.

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So I am not really missing anything about DeSantis's growing base including independents and a voter base in the GOP? That really does not appear to be happening?

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Regardless of the polls (with so many being commissioned by groups related to the various campaigns it's kind of hard to trust any of them), nothing has really changed in terms of what needs to happen though. Without the other candidates dropping out Trump will make it with a plurality just like 2016. Not much more complicated than that.

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Let's avoid the whataboutisms and try to reconcile the narrative being portrayed about Trump versus the polling results.

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Oh, FFS. My question was not about whataboutisms on a thread that discusses Trump versus DeSantis.

Get real.

LOL. Let's not overreact. The real heat hasn't even started yet on who's going to be on the right side and wrong side in the fight for the future of the GOP.

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So I am not really missing anything about DeSantis's growing base including independents and a voter base in the GOP? That really does not appear to be happening?

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Regardless of the polls (with so many being commissioned by groups related to the various campaigns it's kind of hard to trust any of them), nothing has really changed in terms of what needs to happen though. Without the other candidates dropping out Trump will make it with a plurality just like 2016. Not much more complicated than that.

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I think we'll see some additional dropouts after the 2nd debate - Burgum probably the most notable. Tim Scott and Pence might not make the 3rd debate. I know there's still a NH debate and I don't know if there will be one in IA as well, so plenty of time to make some noise.

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Today Trump is at 39% in New Hampshire and 46% in SC. in their own biased ridiculous polls

this is a guy that is one of the most famous men in the entire world- who was a sitting President. who is on the news every single day.

and he can't get a majority IN HIS OWN POLITICAL PARTY. much less independents and democrats.

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But the same thing can be said about DeSantis, can it not? If he's gaining traction, I haven't seen evidence of that. What am I missing here?

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DeSantis is NOT:

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one of the most famous men in the entire world- who was a sitting President. who is on the news every single day.

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I believe THAT was the point.

With ALL OF THAT Trump is still not drawing a majority of REPUBLICAN voters...let alone others outside the party that he'd need to win.

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LOL. Let's not overreact. The real heat hasn't even started yet on who's going to be on the right side and wrong side in the fight for the future of the GOP.

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So I am mistaken about this thread being a compare and contrast thread between these two candidates.

Apologize for my misunderstanding.

Carry on. Have a nice evening.

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So I am not really missing anything about DeSantis's growing base including independents and a voter base in the GOP? That really does not appear to be happening?

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If you are looking at polls, no. That is what is so odd because the reception he is getting on the ground is so different and how people are responding to him. Some of the recent polls make no sense at all though with Haley surging for instance. I mean she had a good debate but she's basically a ghost with very little money.

In the end it still comes down to how much faith you put in those polls though, personally I've never been more skeptical. I've been following the game a long time and none of it adds up. I'm really trying to keep realistic but it's just so odd. I've also seen plenty of primaries change overnight with one big moment.

I guess we will see.

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So I am not really missing anything about DeSantis's growing base including independents and a voter base in the GOP? That really does not appear to be happening?

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Regardless of the polls (with so many being commissioned by groups related to the various campaigns it's kind of hard to trust any of them), nothing has really changed in terms of what needs to happen though. Without the other candidates dropping out Trump will make it with a plurality just like 2016. Not much more complicated than that.

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I think we'll see some additional dropouts after the 2nd debate - Burgum probably the most notable. Tim Scott and Pence might not make the 3rd debate. I know there's still a NH debate and I don't know if there will be one in IA as well, so plenty of time to make some noise.

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Agreed, it's still early for the ones who have no chance to drop, but hopefully the debates provide a logical spot for them to go ahead and give up. And this may be naive optimism, but I also still have some hope that this is all being planned and managed on the back end given that the party knows the consequences of having Trump run again.

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Trump solidly leads NC primary (46%). RDS now in fourth place (9%), according to Washington Post - Monmouth University poll on 9/11/23. Extensive information is provided on the questions/elements of the poll. Provided without comment or opinion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/57d3aca6-b765-4d31-9f3f-56af1162bd38.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_2

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That is South Carolina, not North Carolina. Home state to Nikki Haley and Tim Scott.

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notice how the Trumpers brag about every poll.. as Trump continues to get weaker and weaker in these same polls.

Today Trump is at 39% in New Hampshire and 46% in SC. in their own biased ridiculous polls

this is a guy that is one of the most famous men in the entire world- who was a sitting President. who is on the news every single day.

and he can't get a majority IN HIS OWN POLITICAL PARTY. much less independents and democrats.

but sure, loser Trump is going to beat a billion dollars coming at him from the left in 2024...

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Politico, a mouthpiece of the left trying its best to prevent Trump from running, refutes your emphasized claim.

FTA:
"Two major national polls this week showed Trump at or above 60 percent among Republican primary voters, a commanding lead far greater than early in the year, when Trump's average share of support was in the low-to-mid 40s."

"In a Fox News poll out this week, 65 percent of all Republicans said they would "definitely" vote for Trump in the primary, but another 22 percent said they "might" vote for him."

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/16/trump-gop-poll-voting-00116382

Tell the truth or take a time out.

Another thing that will be hung around Trump's neck come the general election.

Sickening bastards like Ali Alexander never go away.  And, sadly, they never will.  https://t.co/n825BcmANz

— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) September 21, 2023

+6 means the GOP will be blown out.

2024 National GE:

Biden 43% (+2)
Trump 41%
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If Trump is Convicted:
Biden 45% (+6)
Trump 39%

.@WPAIntel, 1,005 RV, 9/15-19https://t.co/hcgwpFx6Rj pic.twitter.com/pHKytdManD

— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) September 21, 2023

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+6 means the GOP will be blown out.

2024 National GE:

Biden 43% (+2)
Trump 41%
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If Trump is Convicted:
Biden 45% (+6)
Trump 39%

.@WPAIntel, 1,005 RV, 9/15-19https://t.co/hcgwpFx6Rj pic.twitter.com/pHKytdManD

— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) September 21, 2023

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MAGA doesn't care. All they want to do is win the general, rub it in their enemies' faces, and then spend the next 2 years blaming fraud for the loss, before preparing for Trump 2028.

pic.twitter.com/m1l6WTcLgS

— Stinson Norwood (@snorman1776) September 21, 2023

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— Stinson Norwood (@snorman1776) September 21, 2023

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Ivanka said she didn't want to be a part of the campaign. I guess they will have to go with MTG, Boehbert, and Loomer.

Since some of you love polls, a little reminder that once Trump is convicted (which is going to happen even if it is wrong) he's done. He will lose big and take the Party with him.

Would you vote for Trump if he is convicted of a felony crime by a jury?

Yes: 26%
No: 57%

Republicans
Yes: 52%
No: 29%

Independents
Yes: 19%
No: 57% https://t.co/B5Jk2ZTb7D pic.twitter.com/e8cGtmZAC7

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) September 22, 2023

When DeSantis drops out, it will go down in history as Jeb Bush-level incompetence in terms of worst-run presidential campaign in modern history.

Politico with a piece about how the politiicians in Florida are now expecting him to drop out.

He has massively lost support with educated and moderate Republicans. He went all-in on MAGA. Massive mistake.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/22/desantis-florida-republicans-governor-elections-00117514

You dropping in to troll this thread is just further proof that all the leftists want Trump as the nominee.

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Today Trump is at 39% in New Hampshire and 46% in SC. in their own biased ridiculous polls

this is a guy that is one of the most famous men in the entire world- who was a sitting President. who is on the news every single day.

and he can't get a majority IN HIS OWN POLITICAL PARTY. much less independents and democrats.

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But the same thing can be said about DeSantis, can it not? If he's gaining traction, I haven't seen evidence of that. What am I missing here?

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You are missing that one of them is a billionaire FORMER PRESIDENT who has run for President now three times.

the other a Governor of Florida.

Still think if DeSantis can do well and somehow pull of win(s) in Iowa and or NH he has a chance. He just needs to get some momentum going.

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When DeSantis drops out, it will go down in history as Jeb Bush-level incompetence in terms of worst-run presidential campaign in modern history.

Politico with a piece about how the politiicians in Florida are now expecting him to drop out.

He has massively lost support with educated and moderate Republicans. He went all-in on MAGA. Massive mistake.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/22/desantis-florida-republicans-governor-elections-00117514

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Amazing people still don't understand that the media wants Trump to win the nomination even more than the left does. Besides a Trump primary win guaranteeing another 4 years of Biden and a Republican bloodbath in the senate and house, a relatively normal Republican like DeSantis results in probably a 50% drop in views/clicks etc. Their jobs literally depend on Trump being the nominee so they will do everything they can to make sure that happens.

Do people still read the Politico as unbiased? You've got to be kidding me! It was founded by Obama campaign alums.

Trump is dodging the next Republican debate at the Reagan Library.

And the truth is it's not hard to argue Reagan was the more successful politician.

He won the presidency twice in landslides.

In 1984, he carried 49 states, and the Reagan Revolution proved enduring enough that when Reagan left office, he was succeeded by another Republican, George. H.W. Bush.

By contrast, Trump lost the popular vote twice, was impeached twice and oversaw the GOP's loss, during his tenure, of both the Senate and the House.

When he left office, he handed the White House to a Democrat, Joe Biden, while fomenting a riot at the Capitol.

while Joe Biden is meandering and mumbling and stumbling through another teleprompter speech

and Trump is signing the breasts of women sycophants.

what EXACTLY did DeSantis do to run an "incompetent" campaign?

seeing as how he is in second place nationally

to a billionaire former President who is running his THIRD Presidential campaign?

of course leftists want to keep DeSantis from the nomination.

Just like they wanted to keep Reagan from the nomination when Reagan first ran in 1976. and lost.

no one believes your lies.

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— Stinson Norwood (@snorman1776) September 21, 2023

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is MTG too stupid to realize Trump 72 hours before actually stated the opposite?

or she just realizes Trump voters are too stupid to realize Trump 72 hours before actually stated the opposite?

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— Stinson Norwood (@snorman1776) September 21, 2023

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is MTG too stupid to realize Trump 72 hours before actually stated the opposite?

or she just realizes Trump voters are too stupid to realize Trump 72 hours before actually stated the opposite?

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yeah right, DeSantis is "going to drop out soon" according to the leftists...


DeSantis Close to Getting Iowa Governor's Endorsement in Blow to Trump
Nancy Cook Thu, September 21, 2023 at 3:08 PM EDT

(Bloomberg) -- Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds is signaling she is likely to endorse Ron DeSantis for president,

a move that would give him the support of a popular conservative leader as he looks to close the gap against frontrunner Donald Trump, according to people familiar with the matter.

He's going to dodge the 3rd debate too.

He planned to speak with the UAW members in Detroit, during the debate, but the union told him to beat it.

It's a huge signal of disrespect to dismiss any invite to the Reagan Library. Conservatives will take note as donald continues his meandering down Karma Avenue.

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It's a huge signal of disrespect to dismiss any invite to the Reagan Library. Conservatives will take note as donald continues his meandering down Karma Avenue.

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most of his supporters aren't conservative, though. Just Trump cultists.

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It's a huge signal of disrespect to dismiss any invite to the Reagan Library. Conservatives will take note as donald continues his meandering down Karma Avenue.

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He is making the time to travel to Anaheim for the CA GOP Convention on Friday, so it's not like he won't be there. He just wants softball appearances - nothing of substance.

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— Stinson Norwood (@snorman1776) September 21, 2023

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is MTG too stupid to realize Trump 72 hours before actually stated the opposite?

or she just realizes Trump voters are too stupid to realize Trump 72 hours before actually stated the opposite?

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I think it's classic Trump that they announce this and the same day he is signing his name on some woman's boobs. I mean women love that kind of stuff in a Presidential candidate as they just hope they can have a chance to be a groupie for Trump and have him do the same.

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It's a huge signal of disrespect to dismiss any invite to the Reagan Library. Conservatives will take note as donald continues his meandering down Karma Avenue.

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He is making the time to travel to Anaheim for the CA GOP Convention on Friday, so it's not like he won't be there. He just wants softball appearances - nothing of substance.

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Yep, he likes to go where he knows he can get a crown to fawn all over him. Then his acolytes run to social media to claim it is proof that everyone loves Trump.

One reason I don't believe the minority gains.

🚨 NEW 2024 POLL 🚨

Percent of Democrats who are "very enthusiastic" about voting for Joe Biden

🔘 Initial: 24%

🔘 If Trump is on the Ballot: 55% (+31%)

National poll of verified RVs, Sept. 15-19, N = 1,005, MoE ±3.1 pic.twitter.com/9yVPRZGJgM

— WPA Intelligence (@WPAIntel) September 22, 2023