And the Twitter problem had nothing to do with DeSantis, rather Twitter's servers couldn't handle it.

Of course, DeSantis gets blamed for it regardless.

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And the Twitter problem had nothing to do with DeSantis, rather Twitter's servers couldn't handle it.

Of course, DeSantis gets blamed for it regardless.

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I wasn't blaming him at all. His announcement crashed the servers indicating to me there was widespread support already there. Where did they go?

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Griffin's butthurt over Disney.

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What's his relation to Disney?

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https://newrepublic.com/post/175623/ron-desantis-loses-billionaire-donor-ken-griffin-disney-feud

So a billionaire disapproves that Desantis decided to stand up against Disney's attempts to dictate laws here in Florida. **** him. Sucks I suppose that Desantis won't get donation money from him during the primary campaign, but this just proves again that Desantis doesn't bend the knee to swampy big money. Especially swampy big money that donated to Obama in previous elections.
Trumpers will ignore this data point though, I'm sure.

Aah, found the problem. From your link.

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Griffin actually was one of Barack Obama's biggest fundraisers when he first ran for election in 2008. But by 2012, Griffin had flipped, transferring his vote and his money to thenRepublican nominee Mitt Romney. He alleged the Obama administration had "embraced class warfare as being politically expedient" and argued that wealthy people had "insufficient influence" in politics.

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I honestly don't have a great explanation for his struggles other than personality and the fact that he was going to always be facing the Trump echo chamber…

DeSantis has the best policies around and success implementing them…but it seems like most of America ain't listening…

I said early on, he needed to grab a headline or two…he just didn't accomplish it…

I know many folks have boasted about his grassroots campaign, especially in Iowa…and that his ground game is unmatched…

I'm now starting to openly wonder whether ground game even matters these days…

Its an uphill battle when your General Election opponents are doing their best to keep your Primary opponent in the news every single day, and doing it in a way that strengthens his core base's devotion to him.

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I honestly don't have a great explanation for his struggles other than personality and the fact that he was going to always be facing the Trump echo chamber…

DeSantis has the best policies around and success implementing them…but it seems like most of America ain't listening…

I said early on, he needed to grab a headline or two…he just didn't accomplish it…

I know many folks have boasted about his grassroots campaign, especially in Iowa…and that his ground game is unmatched…

I'm now starting to openly wonder whether ground game even matters these days…

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We will see. It's staggering to me how much the algorithms are favoring Trump btw. For instance I was responding to a comment earlier about the full context of the "listless vessels" quote and had to go DEEEP down the search to find the actual quote. The first 20 articles were Left and Trump outlets running with the outrage headline. It's staggering how much the media and Left are pushing Trump and trying to crush any reach for DeSantis. They make lies into truth because people can't see the actual truth.

Another great example is the Hurricane. They did all they could to squash and minimize the response of DeSantis.

I still think there is time and people aren't paying that close attention. Every time people actually listen to DeSantis it's positive. Every time they actually listen to Trump he is making mistakes. It's the hype in between that is off. As we get closer that will change, the question is how that plays out and can DeSantis make up the ground? Hard to say.

The other factor is Trump and the Media are all in on the "It's already over" mantra and trying to get people to "rally around Trump". We don't need debates or actual discussion, just support Trump. BTW, here are some juiced up polls telling you that Trump is winning Suburban women and Minority voters are coming over in droves. Trust us!

BTW I don't mean this as a knock on you Fire, I understand what you are saying.

Just rolling out more W's

Today I delivered $1,000 bonuses to law enforcement officers & first responders in Jacksonville, including members of USAR Task Force 5 who deployed for Hurricane Idalia.

This is the third year in a row we have delivered bonuses for law enforcement & first responders. pic.twitter.com/zsMsq0D4Lq

— Ron DeSantis (@GovRonDeSantis) September 18, 2023

In a normal campaign this ad would destroy Trump in Iowa and SC. Hopefully it has some impact.

States like Iowa, Florida, and South Carolina passed legislation protecting unborn babies with heartbeats from abortion. But instead of supporting the pro-life movement, Trump is attacking these successes as "terrible." pic.twitter.com/W0O4BwFQdq

— Never Back Down (@NvrBackDown24) September 19, 2023

It's ok for a quick soundbite. I'd prefer something with an sonagram with a heartbeat with a family then a baby with the Trump voiceover "A heartbeat is a terrible thing." Then a narrator comes in "Does this reflect your values?"

DeSantis responds to McCarthy's interview with Bartiromo.

Kevin McCarthy says I’m a little different from Donald Trump. I agree.

In Florida, we run budget surpluses. We’ve paid down our debt. I’ve kept every one of my promises.

Meanwhile, McCarthy and Trump worked together to add $7 trillion — more debt than our country racked up in… pic.twitter.com/TqZih4t8U8

— Ron DeSantis (@RonDeSantis) September 18, 2023

As suspected going to opt out of the 2nd debate.

Donald Trump knows he can’t tangle with @RonDeSantis on a debate stage.https://t.co/Ow3WWrphuB

— Cryptid Politics 🇺🇸🐊 (@CryptidPolitics) September 19, 2023

Put yourself in Trump's shoes…

Why would you do anything different than your status quo at this point?

He's entitled to sit out and be a *****. That stage is going to be smaller and there's going to be more time for a candidate to shine. Maybe by the 3rd debate, there's only 3 invites essentially consolidating the field. He'd look foolish for avoiding that and would be stuck in essentially a heads up election

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Put yourself in Trump's shoes…

Why would you do anything different than your status quo at this point?

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To not look like a beta *****, like he does now.

Very few people seems to care, man…

He's winning by a ton…he stands nothing to gain by showing up right now…

I know many of you hate that, but that's the reality of the situation…

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And the Twitter problem had nothing to do with DeSantis, rather Twitter's servers couldn't handle it.

Of course, DeSantis gets blamed for it regardless.

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speaking of Twitter- I can't copy and paste ANY links from posts this morning...

So many apocryphal Trump decisions and news in the last 5 days it's impossible to keep up.

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As suspected going to opt out of the 2nd debate.

Donald Trump knows he can’t tangle with @RonDeSantis on a debate stage.https://t.co/Ow3WWrphuB

— Cryptid Politics 🇺🇸🐊 (@CryptidPolitics) September 19, 2023

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Trump knows he sucks at debating -

and would be demolished by DeSantis over his flip flops and insane policy positions.

not to mention the contrast between a 45 year old on the top of his game and a nearly 80 year old whose best years are behind him.

I'm old enough to remember when Trump and his sycophants proclaimed him a "warrior" against the Deep State.

some warrior! bonespurs to stay out of the military and too chicken to actually debate

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WTF Obama?

Obama? pic.twitter.com/5v3gJqPwUH

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) September 16, 2023

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Trump supporters: "yes Biden at 80 years old is a dementia patient!!"

Also Trump supporters: "Trump at 83 years old is going to be so great!!"

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In a normal campaign this ad would destroy Trump in Iowa and SC. Hopefully it has some impact.

States like Iowa, Florida, and South Carolina passed legislation protecting unborn babies with heartbeats from abortion. But instead of supporting the pro-life movement, Trump is attacking these successes as "terrible." pic.twitter.com/W0O4BwFQdq

— Never Back Down (@NvrBackDown24) September 19, 2023

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also notice how in Trump's mind it is "DeSantis" who did all this..

when the REALITY is that it was the elected LEGISLATURES of entire states.

but to Trump, a legislature is unimportant and the only thing that matters is making a speech or signing an Executive Order.

The testimony of a credible direct witness in Donald Trump's classified documents case could strengthen Special Counsel Jack Smith's argument against the former president, according to experts.

Trump's former aide Molly Michael told federal investigators, per ABC, that the former president used the back of visibly classified documents at Mar-a-Lago to write her to-do lists "as if they were scrap paper," said journalist Jonathan Karl.

After receiving a subpoena from the Department of Justice (DOJ) to turn over classified documents believed to be at Mar-a-Lago, Trump and his team returned only some documents. However, an FBI raid at the Florida resort last summer found hundreds more documents still kept at Mar-a-Lago. By law, a former president is obliged to return all presidential material to the National Archives after the end of their term.

Michael is one of Trump's long-time assistants, having begun to work with him in 2018 and continuing after the former president left the White House office in early 2021.

She reportedly quit last year only after Trump refused to comply with federal requests.

Trump Going to Prison

DeSantis on Fox Business Today

I think you need to start preparing yourself for how this is ultimately going to play out...

DeSantis just isn't going to get there, I'm afraid...

FireAg said:

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I think you need to start preparing yourself for how this is ultimately going to play out...

DeSantis just isn't going to get there, I'm afraid...

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We are 4 months from the first primary vote. No one knows how accurate your polls are until then. It's likely he wins just off of name recognition but certainly not the inevitability you love to make it out to be, especially if he gets to a point where he has to stop hiding.

Molly Michael told the FBI that Trump ordered her to feign ignorance after he discovered the feds were interviewing insiders about his refusal to hand over boxes of classified documents, ABC reported.

"You don't know anything about the boxes," Trump told Michael, the report said.

The statement mirrors remarks Trump made to his own lawyers that prosecutors consider to be strong evidence of obstruction of justice since it is illegal for anyone to instruct another person to lie to federal investigators.

Michael also told investigators that Trump occasionally would write "to-do notes" for her on the back of documents that bore classified markings.

She handed over several examples of such documents after the FBI did not turn them up in her office during a search of Mar-a-Lago in August 2022.

Trump telling his assistant to lie to FBI

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Molly Michael told the FBI that Trump ordered her to feign ignorance after he discovered the feds were interviewing insiders about his refusal to hand over boxes of classified documents, ABC reported.

"You don't know anything about the boxes," Trump told Michael, the report said.

The statement mirrors remarks Trump made to his own lawyers that prosecutors consider to be strong evidence of obstruction of justice since it is illegal for anyone to instruct another person to lie to federal investigators.

Michael also told investigators that Trump occasionally would write "to-do notes" for her on the back of documents that bore classified markings.

She handed over several examples of such documents after the FBI did not turn them up in her office during a search of Mar-a-Lago in August 2022.

Trump telling his assistant to lie to FBI

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Sounds like she was hiding classified documents she wasn't allowed to have...

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Molly Michael told the FBI that Trump ordered her to feign ignorance after he discovered the feds were interviewing insiders about his refusal to hand over boxes of classified documents, ABC reported.

"You don't know anything about the boxes," Trump told Michael, the report said.

The statement mirrors remarks Trump made to his own lawyers that prosecutors consider to be strong evidence of obstruction of justice since it is illegal for anyone to instruct another person to lie to federal investigators.

Michael also told investigators that Trump occasionally would write "to-do notes" for her on the back of documents that bore classified markings.

She handed over several examples of such documents after the FBI did not turn them up in her office during a search of Mar-a-Lago in August 2022.

Trump telling his assistant to lie to FBI

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Sounds like she was hiding classified documents she wasn't allowed to have...

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She handed over several examples of such documents after the FBI did not turn them up in her office during a search of Mar-a-Lago in August 2022.

Trump telling his assistant to lie to FBI

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If they weren't in her office but she had access to them to hand them over, where were they? At her house? In her trunk? Crappy writing makes that confusing.

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I think you need to start preparing yourself for how this is ultimately going to play out...

DeSantis just isn't going to get there, I'm afraid...

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It's hard to accept another 4 years of a Democrat in the WH until there isn't anything left we can do to stop it and Trump makes that a near certainty if he is the nominee. Still plenty of things that can shift this and still a lot of time. The biggest issue for Trump is he needs to stay hidden because the more he talks the more he is stepping in it. The more he is out the more people see how old he is. He also desperately needs to avoid ever being on a stage with DeSantis.

Another solid ad here:

Here’s something the Trump campaign DOES NOT want you to see.pic.twitter.com/YXcTwe1srq

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) September 19, 2023

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Trump telling his assistant to lie to FBI

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If they weren't in her office but she had access to them to hand them over, where were they? At her house? In her trunk? Crappy writing makes that confusing.

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I know...I was being a smartass because of that...

However, it could be taken that SHE had them when SHE had ZERO legal right to have them

I wish he had tagged Trump in the tweet.

I applaud Governor @KimReynoldsIA and the Iowa legislature for promoting a culture of life.

Donald Trump is wrong to attack the heartbeat bill as “terrible.”

Standing for life is a noble cause. https://t.co/HhJ6uDw2cV

— Ron DeSantis (@RonDeSantis) September 19, 2023

.@NvrBackDown24 announces Faith Leader Coalition in South Carolina. https://t.co/GXhervYtIs #DeSantis24

— Randy Page (@rpagesc) September 20, 2023

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A group of prominent South Carolina faith leaders are rallying support for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in his effort to woo evangelical voters in the 2024 race.

Eighteen Christian leaders, including pastors, church leaders and theology experts, will lead a network of 100 members, the Greenville News has learned. The list includes leaders from churches based in the Upstate such as Hope Church, which has branches in Greenville, Spartanburg and Simpsonville, as well as educators from Bob Jones University and North Greenville University.

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Good job DJT

WATCH: Iowa voter is asked if Trump slamming Heartbeat laws as “terrible” is causing her to rethink who she’s supporting.

“Actually yeah,” she responds. pic.twitter.com/4jmruObSmZ

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) September 19, 2023

Iowa conservative leaders are blasting #DonaldTrump for calling laws passed in Iowa and Florida that would prohibit most abortion at roughly 6 weeks of pregnancy a "terrible thing” during an interview on NBC’s 'Meet the Press' this weekend. #iacaucus pic.twitter.com/TNrGg3S82k

— Tom Barton (@tjbarton83) September 19, 2023

This is one of those strategic attacks from DeSantis's side that I think are counterproductive, and here's why…

The average "who advanced on The Voice last night", tiktok-ing American only sees things from a 30,000' level…. So what do they see in this case? Simple…

Who was President and appointed the pro-life justices who finally overturned RoevWade? Donald Trump…

Now we can all agree here that abortion is not a protected right in the constitution and, as such, it has been returned to the states to decide how they will handle it…and I think most constitutional conservatives applaud such a decision (I know I do)… But every state now has the ability to set up their abortion laws the way their voters see fit, and as such, one state's laws will not match another's, and thus every state will have a different spin on how abortion is handled…. If you agree with one state, it puts you against the laws of another state…

But guess what? To Average Joe American, all of that is "noise"…. AJA only sees "RvW was overturned and we have DJT to thank for it"…

So this heartbeat law stuff, on a national scale, is meaningless…. It might gain you favor in a single state, but it will hurt you in another…