Both sides dig in on this issue for fear of the other. This thread is evidence of that.

I don't think gun bans will solve much at this point. There are too many in circulation. That being said, guns do make it easier to kill other humans beings and is designed to kill (unlike a car). If guns magically disappeared tomorrow, would there be fewer homicides and suicides? Yes. That doesn't mean we will ever enact any law banning guns.

On the other side, the collapse of societal values, rising numbers of depressed and mentally ill individuals and rising crime rates in cities absolutely feed into this.

People on the right are afraid to admit that guns are dangerous because they feel that gives them an opening to be take away.

People on the left are afraid to admit that there are clear societal issues at work here, because they feel that would mean some of their own policies contributed to this.

Until we are able to have that conversation, these events will continue to happen more frequently and we will default to the same arguments.

The underlying issue is mental illness not guns. I have never met a mentally ill gun.

I know it's early in the game but do we know anything about this shooter. The silence seems …
Deafening.

Can we overlay it with change in population and how many were repeat felons that got out with a nothing bond?

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Yep I own firearms myself but this deranged need of thinking that military rifles are a god given right is a mental illness that the entire world is laughing at.

Who cares who or why shootings happen anyway. 200 mass shootings this year.

And the next school shooting, next 5yo shot is just everyday news now. Workspace shooting? Nobody bats an eye. Might as well talk about jaywalking

Just the reality. Sure arm everyone but the bad guys will still kill a bunch before getting shot. And everyone armed is one bad day away from another school shooting

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The vast majority of times a child is shot is due to gang/drug related activity or really irresponsible parents.

If you are genuinely concerned about 5 year old being shot, what are you willing to do about that fact?

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Doesn't matter why, in the end a kid will get shot regularly. Like today. Like the house shooting a few days ago. Or the school shootings.

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CondensedFogAggie said:

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Yep I own firearms myself but this deranged need of thinking that military rifles are a god given right is a mental illness that the entire world is laughing at.

Who cares who or why shootings happen anyway. 200 mass shootings this year.

And the next school shooting, next 5yo shot is just everyday news now. Workspace shooting? Nobody bats an eye. Might as well talk about jaywalking

Just the reality. Sure arm everyone but the bad guys will still kill a bunch before getting shot. And everyone armed is one bad day away from another school shooting

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Which military uses an AR-15?

And it is funny how the first thing many people from 'the rest of the world' do when they come to the USA is go shoot those scary guns.

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Sure they shoot'em. Why not? It's ****ing fun. But ask if they want to import US gun laws to their own countries, and everyone person laughs at you as if you're crazy.

Every time a school is shot up it makes news around the world. Just like the horrible videos of this shooting is.

A 5 year old with her brains shot out.

Her dad trying to cover her missing his entire jaw.

Only in the US.

It's not the gun. It's the sick shooter. Sorry to inform you.

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So much liberal stupidity on display in this thread. And these people vote. This is why this country is so ****ed and why we can't have nice things.

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Oh don't worry, the feeling is quite mutual.

And by nice things you mean 5 year olds getting their brains blown out in broad daylight at the mall? At least the next generation is starting to vote and will hopefully clean you people out.

Actually clean the radicals out on both sides of the isle.

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It's not the gun. It's the sick shooter. Sorry to inform you.

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Doesn't matter who or what or why. Kids will keep getting shot regularly, anywhere, by anyone. None of us are surprised anymore. Sorry to inform you. It's a simple fact.

Blame mental illness, other countries have way worse mental illness and they ain't shooting 5 year olds at malls regularly.

200 mass shootings this year, nice, keep it up.

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Rockdoc said:

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It's not the gun. It's the sick shooter. Sorry to inform you.

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Doesn't matter who or what or why. Kids will keep getting shot regularly, anywhere, by anyone. None of us are surprised anymore. Sorry to inform you. It's a simple fact.

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So take the guns away from law abiding citizens and this stops? Get real.

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Rockdoc said:

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It's not the gun. It's the sick shooter. Sorry to inform you.

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Doesn't matter who or what or why. Kids will keep getting shot regularly, anywhere, by anyone. None of us are surprised anymore. Sorry to inform you. It's a simple fact.

Blame mental illness, other countries have way worse mental illness and they ain't shooting 5 year olds at malls regularly.

200 mass shootings this year, nice, keep it up.

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What's a mass shooting?

Only in the US? It happened in Serbia 2 days ago.

Rockdoc said:

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CondensedFogAggie said:

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Rockdoc said:

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It's not the gun. It's the sick shooter. Sorry to inform you.

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Doesn't matter who or what or why. Kids will keep getting shot regularly, anywhere, by anyone. None of us are surprised anymore. Sorry to inform you. It's a simple fact.

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So take the guns away from law abiding citizens and this stops? Get real.

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Keep letting children get murdered sounds better

Also I'm not saying take them away but more restrictions on semi/automatic could go a long way in preventing some of these tragedies.

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Jock 07 said:

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So much liberal stupidity on display in this thread. And these people vote. This is why this country is so ****ed and why we can't have nice things.

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Oh don't worry, the feeling is quite mutual.

And by nice things you mean 5 year olds getting their brains blown out in broad daylight at the mall? At least the next generation is starting to vote and will hopefully clean you people out.

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You can't get rid of guns, semi auto or otherwise. It's like getting rid of the internet at this point. There is too much technology that allows private individuals world wide to make their own now.

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Texas Gun Deaths Up 90% Since 2011

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Now do LGBTQ numbers.

halfastros81 said:

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The underlying issue is mental illness not guns. I have never met a mentally ill gun.

I know it's early in the game but do we know anything about this shooter. The silence seems …
Deafening.

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So make restrictions tighter so mentally ill can't walk into Academy and pick up a semi automatic

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halfastros81 said:

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The underlying issue is mental illness not guns. I have never met a mentally ill gun.

I know it's early in the game but do we know anything about this shooter. The silence seems …
Deafening.

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So make restrictions tighter so mentally ill can't walk into Academy and pick up a semi automatic

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Or enforce the laws that already exist. But the da's that are voted for in democratic counties won't do that.

Can't disagree with that however that's
Not going to keep them from getting guns.

CondensedFogAggie said:

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Rockdoc said:

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It's not the gun. It's the sick shooter. Sorry to inform you.

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Doesn't matter who or what or why. Kids will keep getting shot regularly, anywhere, by anyone. None of us are surprised anymore. Sorry to inform you. It's a simple fact.

Blame mental illness, other countries have way worse mental illness and they ain't shooting 5 year olds at malls regularly.

200 mass shootings this year, nice, keep it up.

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They want us to think this is all normal. An acceptable price to pay for freedom. It's not. It's incredibly ****ed up. All you have to do is open your eyes and look around.

America has convinced itself that there is nothing wrong. And the younger generations are completely rejecting this lie.

AgsMyDude said:

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halfastros81 said:

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The underlying issue is mental illness not guns. I have never met a mentally ill gun.

I know it's early in the game but do we know anything about this shooter. The silence seems …
Deafening.

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So make restrictions tighter so mentally ill can't walk into Academy and pick up a semi automatic

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This has been done, correct?

Is it working?

Not true. The disagreement is about what is wrong and how to effectively address it.

lol

What a miserable take from a person that defends mental illness.

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Now do LGBTQ numbers.

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You know you have no defense when you try to contrive some stupid hateful argument that it's the gays' fault that gun violence is so bad here. Yeah, they're the ones voting for loosening and repealing of gun laws and complete unfettered access to any firearm by anyone.

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AgsMyDude said:

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halfastros81 said:

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The underlying issue is mental illness not guns. I have never met a mentally ill gun.

I know it's early in the game but do we know anything about this shooter. The silence seems …
Deafening.

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So make restrictions tighter so mentally ill can't walk into Academy and pick up a semi automatic

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Or enforce the laws that already exist. But the da's that are voted for in democratic counties won't do that.

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Exactly. But these disingenuous people refuse to acknowledge this, continue to vote for it, and in turn blame law abiding citizens. It's insanity. And as long as these people keep voting we keep seeing the same results. It's madding.

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Not true. The disagreement is about what is wrong and how to effectively address it.

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We've tried the Republican solution of doing nothing at all for 20+ years. It hasn't worked.

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lol

What a miserable take from a person that defends mental illness.

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I think we should have better access to mental healthcare too. Too bad the GOP votes that down too.

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CondensedFogAggie said:

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Rockdoc said:

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It's not the gun. It's the sick shooter. Sorry to inform you.

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Doesn't matter who or what or why. Kids will keep getting shot regularly, anywhere, by anyone. None of us are surprised anymore. Sorry to inform you. It's a simple fact.

Blame mental illness, other countries have way worse mental illness and they ain't shooting 5 year olds at malls regularly.

200 mass shootings this year, nice, keep it up.

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They want us to think this is all normal. An acceptable price to pay for freedom. It's not. It's incredibly ****ed up. All you have to do is open your eyes and look around.

America has convinced itself that there is nothing wrong. And the younger generations are completely rejecting this lie.

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The younger generations are the ones committing most of the mass shoutings.

halfastros81 said:

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Only in the US? It happened in Serbia 2 days ago.

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Thanks for proving my point.

"Serbia has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world, after the Balkan wars left the country awash in weapons."

And their president is calling for disarmament. And australian gun deaths plummeted after THEY banned and reduced guns decades ago after another horrific shooting.

But that ain't happening here anytime soon, don't worry.

Is that what I did? Blame the gays?

I'm blaming a godless society that is chasing "whatever feels good..." but if the shoe fits, put it on, Cinderella.

CondensedFogAggie said:

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halfastros81 said:

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Only in the US? It happened in Serbia 2 days ago.

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Thanks for proving my point.

"Serbia has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world, after the Balkan wars left the country awash in weapons."

And their president is calling for disarmament. And australian gun deaths plummeted after THEY banned and reduced guns decades ago after another horrific shooting.

But that ain't happening here anytime soon, don't worry.

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We wouldn't be Australia if we banned guns. We would be Mexico.

Australia has about 10 years until 3D printers make their gun laws pointless too.

No one has taken meaningful steps to address mental illness. It's pretty much been universally ignored.

The new mantra seems to be … people have a right to be crazy… deal with it. Meanwhile there have been advances in the medical industry to better address but they have not been widely adopted. I have to admit that Texas is probably on the trailing edge on this subject.

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Is that what I did? Blame the gays?

I'm blaming a godless society that is chasing "whatever feels good..." but if the shoe fits, put it on, Cinderella.

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Yeah, you alluded to them as if they bear some blame for this.

Your party has controlled the state from top to bottom for 30 years. All they have done is loosen and eliminate completely reasonable gun laws and would never think of passing any sort of meaningful reform. This is what they have to show for it.

What if increase was due to deaths of criminals committing violence against victims. That would be a good stat for her point.

Unfortunately she picked to points and drew a line.

barbacoa taco said:

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Old May Banker said:

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Is that what I did? Blame the gays?

I'm blaming a godless society that is chasing "whatever feels good..." but if the shoe fits, put it on, Cinderella.

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Yeah, you alluded to them as if they bear some blame for this.

Your party has controlled the state from top to bottom for 30 years. All they have done is loosen and eliminate completely reasonable gun laws and would never think of passing any sort of meaningful reform. This is what they have to show for it.

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What gun laws would have prevented this guy from obtaining his?

Lgbtq freaks are absolutely to blame for some of these shootings. Nashville wasn't that long ago and what that freak wrote hasn't been released because it exposes the mental illness trans have

barbacoa taco said:

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Old May Banker said:

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Is that what I did? Blame the gays?

I'm blaming a godless society that is chasing "whatever feels good..." but if the shoe fits, put it on, Cinderella.

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Yeah, you alluded to them as if they bear some blame for this.

Your party has controlled the state from top to bottom for 30 years. All they have done is loosen and eliminate completely reasonable gun laws and would never think of passing any sort of meaningful reform. This is what they have to show for it.

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Illegal aliens and democratic counties like Harris, bexar, Travis and Dallas are mostly to blame in this state. Keep ignoring laws, don't punish those who are violent people and these counties will continue to flood the state with their problems.