No. I don't vote for liberals.
Besides, he'd be a lameduck on day one with no leadership skills and no friends.
Besides, he'd be a lameduck on day one with no leadership skills and no friends.
Is there anyone on here that prefers Trump over Desantis? [see staff note]
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Wyoming said:
Yeah but Biden was never really all there, and his decline in mental capacity has only accelerated over time.
Trump is as sharp as ever,
He really isn't. His writing style has become much more rant like and attacks are less strategic than ever. Most people just don't notice unless they have TruthSocial since he is off Twitter.
He very much comes off an older man starting to struggle with senility. He had mean tweets 7 years ago but they seemed to have more purpose.
Without a doubt. There are tons of us, too. He's the counter to their regime.
Trump over DS. Will gladly vote DS if DS can beat Trump.
Trump. All Trump supporters like DeSantis but no one has attacked the regime like Trump has. DeSantis seems promising but seems like he may be too good to be true . We know exactly what Trump is. An egomaniac who refuses to lose a fight vs the evil empire. If you can't see why that is a good thing God speed.
And the regime defeated Trump.
Nope. Desantis all the way.
Watch this for why:
He lost multiple very winnable fights to the evil empire, regardless of whether they were fair or not. He'll lose another if he's the nominee.
Trump as the candidate is the best case scenario for democrats. Most dems prefer someone other than Biden, but will get out to vote against Trump. The hate isn't there for Desantis. Folks will not come out just to vote against him and they will be too meh to get out and vote for Biden.
1) DeSantis is 32 years younger than Trump. That is a huge difference. After several Boomer POTUS, time to finally switch to giving a Gen Xer a go. Trump would be 78-82 in office. Name a POTUS in their 80's who did a good job.
2) DeSantis is ex-military who served 15 years as an officer in the U.S. Navy. That means something to me. Trump never had to work or report to somebody else a day in his life. As POTUS, he proved to be an awful staff administrator with an alarming rate of staff turnover far above the norm. DeSantis knows what it is like to both lead AND be led.
3) Trump has already proven he can lose to Biden. Why would Biden vs Trump 2 be any different? Midterms results did not produce a 'red wave'. GOP needs to shake things up NOW. There is no sign that continuing under a Trump led GOP is going to be a winning formula in a national election.
2) DeSantis is ex-military who served 15 years as an officer in the U.S. Navy. That means something to me. Trump never had to work or report to somebody else a day in his life. As POTUS, he proved to be an awful staff administrator with an alarming rate of staff turnover far above the norm. DeSantis knows what it is like to both lead AND be led.
3) Trump has already proven he can lose to Biden. Why would Biden vs Trump 2 be any different? Midterms results did not produce a 'red wave'. GOP needs to shake things up NOW. There is no sign that continuing under a Trump led GOP is going to be a winning formula in a national election.
aggie93 said:Trump's gift in debating is he talks to the audience and not the stage. He's very good at projecting his personality and landing a zinger. His actual debate discussion skills are mediocre and he can get flustered and get irritated. If he stays calm and relaxed though his entertainer persona comes out and that is him at his best.texagbeliever said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Funky Winkerbean said:
His base doesn't care one iota about his style. Only results.
I definitely agree overall, was referring to the comment about trump "blowing DeSantis out" in the debates, which seems extremely unrealistic. Unless they have a really different opinion of what wins a debate.
I think Trump will have more memorable moments and receive more attention. Id agree that Trump won't out policy talk DeSantis.
I really wanted to see him in a 1v1 against Cruz in '16 but he ducked out because he was starting to pull away, Cruz did very well against him but the crowded debate stage favored Trump. Trump v Hillary was almost unwatchable as it was just snarky and nastiness but Trump landed a few great zingers as Hillary wasn't really prepared for his style.
Trump's performance against Biden in the 1st Debate was just horrible, he clearly wasn't prepared and thought he would just wipe the floor with him and Wallace and Biden tag teamed him into some huge blunders. He did well in the other debates but after the 1st Debate but Biden basically just played defense at that point and the 1st Debate is always the most important in a General. It's why HW Bush lost to Clinton even though he mopped the floor with him in the final debate in '92.
Setting definitely matters. For instance if you have a large debate stage and someone like Vivek decides to go after DeSantis along with Trump that's going to be tough for DeSantis. Haley is very solid but I doubt she really attacks anyone fiercely. Pence may be interesting, he's likely to go after Trump and he is a solid and disciplined debater that destroyed Kamala. DeSantis has serious brainpower just like Vivek, those guys can pull out deep details on issues and communicate them effectively.
Still Trump has that gift of talking to the audience and putting on a show and debates aren't really won on points they are won on how people feel at the end. You cannot underestimate him.
Agree...and if Trump is smart, he will have Cruz as his debate partner so that he can expect everything that will be thrown at him.
Trump. If the deep state wants this guy out so bad I want him in.
Trump. He could do a lot of damage to the deep state without having to worry about re-election.
That being said, if DeSantis gets the nomination, I will be voting for him.
Would like it to work out Trump wrecks shop for four years and DeSantis rebuilds for 8.
Either way, DeSantis or Trump, there may not be a way out of this mess due to certain voting districts not being cleaned up. We will have a 4AM dump of largely democrat "votes" behind closed doors with either of them.
That being said, if DeSantis gets the nomination, I will be voting for him.
Would like it to work out Trump wrecks shop for four years and DeSantis rebuilds for 8.
Either way, DeSantis or Trump, there may not be a way out of this mess due to certain voting districts not being cleaned up. We will have a 4AM dump of largely democrat "votes" behind closed doors with either of them.
Not a chance. The left hates both, but DeSantis has some modicum of a filter. I do not want to see Trump vs Biden the rematch.
Ron's team is not my team. He's been purchased by the GOP arm of the uni-party swamp and will owe them bigly.
They just on vacation, to Japan - to meet the prime minister......? Jeez Ron.
What a phony pic.twitter.com/aag5j73iGU
— Leskov Brandonovic (@fjb4587) April 24, 2023
They just on vacation, to Japan - to meet the prime minister......? Jeez Ron.
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He's been purchased by the GOP arm of the uni-party swamp and will owe them bigly.
When you can't win on issues, just make sheet up!
If Cruz helps Trump instead of DeSantis...JR Ewing said:
Agree...and if Trump is smart, he will have Cruz as his debate partner so that he can expect everything that will be thrown at him.
PA24 said:
Trump, takes a licking but keeps on ticking.
True, but only because he paid a pornstar to do it.
This thread is very timely - we just hosted a bunch of friends at our place this weekend and "Trump vs Desantis" came up after a few drinks .
Out of 12 people (ranging in age from 27-37, kind of evenly split between Republicans, Democrats and Libertarians)
- 8 would vote for Desantis over Biden
- 1 would vote for Trump over Biden.
Funny enough, the one person I pegged as a strong Democrat said she would vote for Desantis over Biden because "Biden and Trump are too old, we need someone who has to pay full price at the movie theater" (which got a good laugh out of the group)
Out of 12 people (ranging in age from 27-37, kind of evenly split between Republicans, Democrats and Libertarians)
- 8 would vote for Desantis over Biden
- 1 would vote for Trump over Biden.
Funny enough, the one person I pegged as a strong Democrat said she would vote for Desantis over Biden because "Biden and Trump are too old, we need someone who has to pay full price at the movie theater" (which got a good laugh out of the group)
Everything you said. Plus...Pumpkinhead said:
1) DeSantis is 32 years younger than Trump. That is a huge difference. After several Boomer POTUS, time to finally switch to giving a Gen Xer a go. Trump would be 78-82 in office. Name a POTUS in their 80's who did a good job.
2) DeSantis is ex-military who served 15 years as an officer in the U.S. Navy. That means something to me. Trump never had to work or report to somebody else a day in his life. As POTUS, he proved to be an awful staff administrator with an alarming rate of staff turnover far above the norm. DeSantis knows what it is like to both lead AND be led.
3) Trump has already proven he can lose to Biden. Why would Biden vs Trump 2 be any different? Midterms results did not produce a 'red wave'. GOP needs to shake things up NOW. There is no sign that continuing under a Trump led GOP is going to be a winning formula in a national election.
- I have yet to hear Trump articulate what would be different this time around. He was thwarted by the bureaucracy at every move...and his own hires conspired with the bureaucracy to undo him...including his military picks like Mattis and Miley.
- In matters where 1:1 personal relationships matter; I don't think anyone is better than Trump. But so much of being the President is in actually "administrating" these days; something that Trump is temperamentally not well suited to and has actually demonstrated, well, ineptness to date.
- I've seen nothing to indicate he's surrounding himself by a better class of cabinet level quality campaign staffers and advisors this time around. I also don't hear him articulating a set of governing priorities.
- As for Desantis, he got in Yale and Harvard the hard way apparently; he actually got there by his smarts; his parents were not wealthy.
- I find an interesting mix of some here critiquing him for lack of "foreign policy" experience, while also being critical of him going to Japan (for example) and meeting with the PM to gain foreign policy experience. He's actually doing a good job of laying the foundation and building his bonafides prior to announcing. Reminds me a lot of what Obama did effectively.
- He has shown an ability and willingness to take on the bureaucracy and beat it at it's own game. Remember the bureaucrat that claimed he was "manipulating" Covid data...well he had her fired and arrested. His got rid of the surgeon general and replaced him with one that helped him move past the federally mandated/recommended Covid policies. Lastly, Disney....checkmate.
- Don't say Gay...he not only outmessaged the democrats on this; he exposed the pedophile and groomer interests that were hiding behind the Alphabet maphia. They've quickly gone from "we're not doing that" to "why do you want to stop us from grooming your kids" and he has lead the efforts nationwide to (legislatively) get this crap out of schools and spaces where kids are.
I don't really see a way to get behind Trump again at this point. He seems less focused, certainly has shown no humility arising from his many losses and my view on 80 year-olds in office is the same for (R)'s and (D)'s. There are no perfect candidates...look at Biden, perfection not required. He's living proof that if you just don't alienate 53% of the voting public before ballots are cast; you've got a chance.
This is what he actually did there besides have to answer the "Are you running??" question for the 5,000th time. It's 5 minutes and worth listening to even if you are a Trump person. This is who DeSantis is, encouraging Japanese investment in Florida for manufacturing jobs and talking about skilled trades (DeSantis has been advocating for skilled trades vs college prep for everyone since he was in the House). He also recognizes (as Trump did) that Japan is the key ally against China.willtackleforfood said:
Ron's team is not my team. He's been purchased by the GOP arm of the uni-party swamp and will owe them bigly.What a phony pic.twitter.com/aag5j73iGU
— Leskov Brandonovic (@fjb4587) April 24, 2023
They just on vacation, to Japan - to meet the prime minister......? Jeez Ron.
Governor DeSantis Celebrates Successful Meetings in Japan https://t.co/aJBv97hTMS
— Ron DeSantis (@GovRonDeSantis) April 25, 2023
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
Ronald Reagan
I don't prefer Trump over DeSantis and the media shilling for Trump over DeSantis just reaffirms my opinion.
Desantis. He's task oriented, but more importantly he focuses on things he can bring to fruition as opposed to just spouting flowery talk for a certain demographic willing to travel far to a NASCAR arena just to get worked up. And even though most who are willing to run for the presidency have narcissistic tendencies (I think you have to, to some degree), I think he tempers it with a genuine desire to make the U.S. better. Finally, I believe his statesmanship and moral compass are much more calibrated. I think that dealing with other heads of state is not part and parcel to a simple business negotiation. Geopolitical negotiations are far more complex and I believe DeSantis is far more suited for it.Waltonloads08 said:
[Taking OP's question at face value. If you post simply to be disrespectful or attack, don't bother unless you want a ban. Serious responses are encouraged. This is after all, the politics board -- Staff]
Honest question, and could you explain why? Not looking for a fight, I just want to understand.
Thanks.
One final note...I think Desantis has a much better chance of bringing this country back together.
As I showed earlier the "Foreign Policy experience" is simply people who haven't actually researched DeSantis. He served on Foreign Affairs in the House and Chaired the National Security Subcommittee on Oversight. That means he was very involved and had access to highly classified information while in Congress. He also not only served he did a Tour in Afghanistan and has an in person understanding of American foreign policy.japantiger said:Everything you said. Plus...Pumpkinhead said:
1) DeSantis is 32 years younger than Trump. That is a huge difference. After several Boomer POTUS, time to finally switch to giving a Gen Xer a go. Trump would be 78-82 in office. Name a POTUS in their 80's who did a good job.
2) DeSantis is ex-military who served 15 years as an officer in the U.S. Navy. That means something to me. Trump never had to work or report to somebody else a day in his life. As POTUS, he proved to be an awful staff administrator with an alarming rate of staff turnover far above the norm. DeSantis knows what it is like to both lead AND be led.
3) Trump has already proven he can lose to Biden. Why would Biden vs Trump 2 be any different? Midterms results did not produce a 'red wave'. GOP needs to shake things up NOW. There is no sign that continuing under a Trump led GOP is going to be a winning formula in a national election.
- I have yet to hear Trump articulate what would be different this time around. He was thwarted by the bureaucracy at every move...and his own hires conspired with the bureaucracy to undo him...including his military picks like Mattis and Miley.
- In matters where 1:1 personal relationships matter; I don't think anyone is better than Trump. But so much of being the President is in actually "administrating" these days; something that Trump is temperamentally not well suited to and has actually demonstrated, well, ineptness to date.
- I've seen nothing to indicate he's surrounding himself by a better class of cabinet level quality campaign staffers and advisors this time around. I also don't hear him articulating a set of governing priorities.
- As for Desantis, he got in Yale and Harvard the hard way apparently; he actually got there by his smarts; his parents were not wealthy.
- I find an interesting mix of some here critiquing him for lack of "foreign policy" experience, while also being critical of him going to Japan (for example) and meeting with the PM to gain foreign policy experience. He's actually doing a good job of laying the foundation and building his bonafides prior to announcing. Reminds me a lot of what Obama did effectively.
- He has shown an ability and willingness to take on the bureaucracy and beat it at it's own game. Remember the bureaucrat that claimed he was "manipulating" Covid data...well he had her fired and arrested. His got rid of the surgeon general and replaced him with one that helped him move past the federally mandated/recommended Covid policies. Lastly, Disney....checkmate.
- Don't say Gay...he not only outmessaged the democrats on this; he exposed the pedophile and groomer interests that were hiding behind the Alphabet maphia. They've quickly gone from "we're not doing that" to "why do you want to stop us from grooming your kids" and he has lead the efforts nationwide to (legislatively) get this crap out of schools and spaces where kids are.
I don't really see a way to get behind Trump again at this point. He seems less focused, certainly has shown no humility arising from his many losses and my view on 80 year-olds in office is the same for (R)'s and (D)'s. There are no perfect candidates...look at Biden, perfection not required. He's living proof that if you just don't alienate 53% of the voting public before ballots are cast; you've got a chance.
People just assume he is a "Harvard Lawyer" that lived in an ivory tower and then became Governor when that's about as far from who DeSantis is as possible. He has deep seated blue collar values and he is someone who is very much of a family man. He's just incredibly smart and worked his butt off and he has deep seated values and has walked the walk. If Trump is your guy that's fine but the attacks on DeSantis show more ignorance than anything if you are a conservative.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
Ronald Reagan
Quote:
arising from his many losses
His losses are a direct result of the corrupt political attacks made against him. No other politicians or administrators would stay with him. That is not his fault.
Funky Winkerbean said:Quote:
arising from his many losses
His losses are a direct result of the corrupt political attacks made against him. No other politicians or administrators would stay with him. That is not his fault.
But if Trump is the constant when everyone is leaving him, wouldn't that mean he's at least partially the reason (i.e. at fault)?
Trump, the proven warrior vs DeSantis, the unproven. Both great candidates. I prefer Trump.
You guys don't seem to understand Trump is an integral part of the deep state. He is just the Bond villain they need to distract the masses. They aren't afraid of him. He didn't stop anyone at the CIA, FBI, IRS or Fauci from doing their deep state swamp things. He just sat back saying blah blah blah Chiner Virus blah blah while they went about their business. Name one person he held accountable. And look what he gave them. Biden, Fetterman, two Democrat Senators from Georgia and Arizona is now effectively East California. Congrats. He has already been given marching orders to attack Republicans instead of Biden to make sure Biden wins again. Continue supporting him until he loses again to the same dementia patient and the Bond villain volcano lair finally erupts.taterchip said:
Trump. Not a policy that I don't like. Apparently, Trump is a bigger threat to the Deep State or they would be trying to derail him at every turn. They are are scared of Trump, but I believe, and they do as well, buy Desantis over time.
BS. The elites clearly have it out for him, but Trump delights in his controversial status and pissing off people. He did not maximize the elements under his control. He insists on being a loathsome human and if he'd dialed it back just a little he would have won 2020 running away.
Saying trump is "an integral part of the deep state" is like saying "cancer cells are an integral part of the human body."
Deputy Travis Junior said:
Can't believe any poster believes Trump will out debate anybody. He lost a debate to a fossil 3 years ago and today sounds embarrassingly close your chain email-forwarding 80 year old grandpa. Then, in his rare moments of clarity, he spends his time gaslighting TF out of everybody who actually listens.
What TF do you think will happen in a debate when Trump accuses Ron of locking down Florida? Do you think DeSantis will stammer amd stumble or do you think he will mercilessly list every stupid action Trump took and compare them to his own? Wouldn't surprise me if DeSantis read some of Trump's tweets aloud to really complete the on-stage beheading.
He is a narcissistic, mentally declining geezer who has fired every non yes man who used to work for him. He will be horribly prepared for every debate, ramble nonsense for 90 minutes, and then take to his social network that nobody uses to claim victory.
Post of the Week ^^
Thanks. I'm glad you agree.Bryanisbest said:
Saying trump is "an integral part of the deep state" is like saying "cancer cells are an integral part of the human body."
Either Trump or Desantis as president would be a HUGE upgrade. I support Trump because the policies he promised and then actually implemented resulted in energy independence, unprecedented economic growth with low inflation, stronger military with no new wars (related I think), better border security, better trade deals, respect if not fear from our enemies, exposure of corruption in the DOJ/FBI CIA and IRS, etc. His policies resulted in the economy roaring back after the covid shut down, which, given the info he/we were getting at the time, was understandable. The results of Trump's policies are what matter to me, not his personality. He says what he thinks, and doesn't think what he should say; and I like that. I personally think Desantis should throw his support behind Trump to present a united front, and wait for 28. God Bless the USA. My preference is to save this nation from sea to shining sea. If that doesn't happen, then some states need to reconsider their union with onrushing totalitarianism.
Edited to add that whoever the deep state hates the most is who I support the most.
Edited to add that whoever the deep state hates the most is who I support the most.
I hate tu. It's in my blood.
Not if they don't have the House.Casual Cynic said:It would certainly be entertaining. Democrats would probably impeach him 2 or 3 more times just out of pure spite.Funky Winkerbean said:
Yes..
I want a second term Trump wreaking havoc on the ass clowns that have used government agencies as political weapons against him. It's a precedent that must be confronted and controlled.
I don't like how old he is and I don't like that he, like so many, seem to have forgotten the train that's been run on this country from the left. I figure his narrative will heat up as we near primaries and I'll decide from there. I believe DeSantis is a phenomenal candidate, but think Trump is better suited to do what I want done.
I know, **** in one hand..
I hate tu. It's in my blood.
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