Waltonloads08 said:

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Honest question, and could you explain why? Not looking for a fight, I just want to understand.

Thanks.

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We need young blood in the white house. I know the cost of age on a person's abilities and stamina.

Biden"s age doesn"t matter!

He does what the Democrat party leaders tells him to do!

Yes. Trump for four years, then Desantis for eight. Win win.

Trump won one election because he was running against Hillary Clinton.

Since then, he has been more of a boat anchor. One big question should be: "If Trump wins the nomination, how many Republican House and Senate candidates will he pull down with him in the general election?"

Also, what would trump accomplish in a second term? Frankly, he seems more focused on personal revenge than having any kind of a view of what the country needs in the future.

DeSantis, on the other hand, seems to be very much a leader who can promote Conservatism within the country.

Wyoming said:

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Trump.

Trump can inspire the people. People will drive hundred of miles to a Trump campaign rally. I just don't see deSantis bringing that same level of enthusiasm.

I don't think DeSantis will be some great leader like Ronald Reagan was, or anywhere close. DeSantis is also a little young, and Trump has a ton more life experience and of course experience in the White House.

I think Trump is going to blow him out in the debates too

having said all that, I think DeSantis is more electable in the general election, just not in the primary.

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Interesting. I think Trump's ego gets in the way in debates. It hurt him a LOT in the 2020 election (even though I'm convinced the election was stolen). I like DeSantis a lot but if I could have my wish list it would be Trump in '24 and DeSantis in '28. What Trump was able to accomplish with almost everyone against him is quite miraculous. I'm not sure any republican running for President can be elected with the current state of our country. Hope I'm wrong.

TRUMP! Then Trump again should he run 3rd party. I want the guy that the deep state HATES , the Bush Wing of the GOP HATES, the DC cocktail circuit HATES, the corporate media HATES, the left HATES, academia HATES, the alphabet agencies HATE, the PAC's HATE.

RD ain't none of that.

valvemonkey91 said:

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TRUMP! Then Trump again should he run 3rd party. I want the guy that the deep state HATES , the Bush Wing of the GOP HATES, the DC cocktail circuit HATES, the corporate media HATES, the left HATES, academia HATES, the alphabet agencies HATE, the PAC's HATE.

RD ain't none of that.

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As a reminder the last political job Karl Rove had was working for Trump working on Trump's 2020 Campaign, Trump twanted Ronna Romney McDaniel over Harmeet Dhillon to run the RNC and one of his first Endorsements this cycle was Lindsey Graham.

DeSantis hasn't done anything remotely as Swampy as any of those 3 things.

valvemonkey91 said:

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TRUMP! Then Trump again should he run 3rd party. I want the guy that the deep state HATES , the Bush Wing of the GOP HATES, the DC cocktail circuit HATES, the corporate media HATES, the left HATES, academia HATES, the alphabet agencies HATE, the PAC's HATE.

RD ain't none of that.

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valvemonkey91 said:

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TRUMP! Then Trump again should he run 3rd party. I want the guy that the deep state HATES , the Bush Wing of the GOP HATES, the DC cocktail circuit HATES, the corporate media HATES, the left HATES, academia HATES, the alphabet agencies HATE, the PAC's HATE.

RD ain't none of that.

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Ok this troll is way too obvious, may need to be more subtle next time.

Desantis is 5'9" WITH HEELS.

Trump will be to the democrats what Hillary was in 2016 to the republicans. He will bring out the anti-Trump votes. It's interesting the polls are important to point out his lead over other republicans, but the polls were fake news in the general election. Polls can be manipulated to read whatever you want, and I believe the democrats want Trump as the Republican nominee. He plays the perfect villain to their party, and it allows the moderates to overlook the last 4 years of Potatus that is now in office.

Trump is a classic Narcissist, and he is willing to destroy his own party to win the nomination. It's not a matter of if but when, for DeSantis to enter, but he's not thrown his hat into the ring. Trump is full on attack against the governor of the state he resides. If DS wins the nomination, I could see Trump not backing or not encourage his voters to support DeSantis because he seems that petty. I voted both times for Trump in the general election, was a Cruz guy in 2016 but gave him my vote. I don't see the Trump first people voting for DeSantis either and choosing to sit it out if he loses out. That will usher in another four years of misery and full out assault on the constitution and ruining 200 years of what made this country great.

DeSantis is the way forward and he is our future that can give us 8 years to put us back on the right path.

"he is willing to destroy his own party to win the nomination."

This GOP needs to be destroyed and rid of the Bush wing and neocon republicans. The GOP isn't Trumps party. It is merely the vehicle he has to use.

Trump allowed Fauci and his cronies to RESTART and conduct Gain of Function research under his watch. He is dead to me

valvemonkey91 said:

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"he is willing to destroy his own party to win the nomination."

This GOP needs to be destroyed and rid of the Bush wing and neocon republicans. The GOP isn't Trumps party. It is merely the vehicle he has to use.

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That is a bold strat, destroy the country and our way of life to stop Bush. I bet you thought a march on Moscow in the winter was top notch strategy as well.

Foreign policy. This is a huge factor to our country's sustained success. He was right to call out EU countries for not pulling their weight. He was right to call the Chinese thieves.

He NEVER would have allowed this border skirmish between Russia and the Ukraine turn into war and more importantly, he wouldn't have allowed a Russian/Chinese alliance to happen. That is a devastating global problem for YS interests.

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SamjamAg said:

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I used to think a successful governorship meant experience and demonstrated policy. Times have changed.

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can you explain what you mean?

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You know the answer but I'll play. Governors have actual responsibility for their citizens and must be leaders. Congressmen and Senators don't have any actual leadership responsibilities.

samurai_science said:

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valvemonkey91 said:

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"he is willing to destroy his own party to win the nomination."

This GOP needs to be destroyed and rid of the Bush wing and neocon republicans. The GOP isn't Trumps party. It is merely the vehicle he has to use.

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That is a bold strat, destroy the country and our way of life to stop Bush. I bet you thought a march on Moscow in the winter was top notch strategy as well.

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The Bush wing of the GOP and his acolytes are worse than the democrats. The current GOP needs to be dismantled.

Jury still out for me. Ask me when closer to primaries. Need to see how much damage they've all done to each other. But I do know I will vote for Republican winner of primary.

valvemonkey91 said:

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samurai_science said:

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valvemonkey91 said:

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"he is willing to destroy his own party to win the nomination."

This GOP needs to be destroyed and rid of the Bush wing and neocon republicans. The GOP isn't Trumps party. It is merely the vehicle he has to use.

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That is a bold strat, destroy the country and our way of life to stop Bush. I bet you thought a march on Moscow in the winter was top notch strategy as well.

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The Bush wing of the GOP and his acolytes are worse than the democrats. The current GOP needs to be dismantled.

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You must be a troll. And a pretty poor one at that. Dismantle the current GOP - ie. kick everyone you don't like out of the tent - and what would you have, other than a destroyed GOP and dominant Dem Party?

Please explain how you envision the "new" Trump led GOP to garner wide support.

Edit: Upon reviewing your profile, I apologize. I think there's a real chance that you are 100% behind Trump and will follow his lead regardless of the devastation he leaves behind of the GOP. Circular firing squad logic to be sure, but I just wish Trump, as well as his core followers, would consider the results of uncalculated actions that "look" good.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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arising from his many losses

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His losses are a direct result of the corrupt political attacks made against him. No other politicians or administrators would stay with him. That is not his fault.

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Trump and his supporters also did not exactly win over large segments of the population; some folks did not come out to vote for Biden, but to vote against trump. Same reason Hilary lost.

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arising from his many losses

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His losses are a direct result of the corrupt political attacks made against him. No other politicians or administrators would stay with him. That is not his fault.

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Trump's losses are his. He owns them. He was naive and out of his depth on what it takes to run the bureaucracy and he hired lousy people to go execute his wishes. Some just couldn't do the job; others deliberately sabotaged him, He owns that.

The FL swamp is no less virulent than the DC swamp; yet Desantis cowed them. Look at what they ran against Desantis the 1st time...it's like he was Hunter Biden's black brother. That tells you all you need to know about the swamp. And he has been attacked by the Alphabet mafia down there and beaten them...he's beaten them rhetorically and by getting key legislation passed making it illegal to Groom the kids. And he made it clear to the largest business interest in FL, to stay the hell out of Grooming the kids....to the tune of $$Billions to their bottom line.

We don't just need a warrior...we need a warrior that can communicate, administrate and dominate when it's time to take the gloves off (channelling Muhammed Ali here).

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Bryanisbest said:

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Saying trump is "an integral part of the deep state" is like saying "cancer cells are an integral part of the human body."

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Thanks. I'm glad you agree.

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Thank you. Trump is a killer of the deep state.

valvemonkey91 said:

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"he is willing to destroy his own party to win the nomination."

This GOP needs to be destroyed and rid of the Bush wing and neocon republicans. The GOP isn't Trumps party. It is merely the vehicle he has to use.

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I actually agree with your sentiment but the reality is it has already happened, or at least this race isn't about that. Certainly neither Trump or DeSantis are "Bush/Neocon Republicans" and the fact both of them consider that to be just short of a racial slur says a lot.

There are definitely some of them left though in the Party and they have power. They are basically a group of Boomer Senators and a few Congressman (though they have been effectively broken in the House) and Peter Zeihan . It's maybe 10% of the Party now and old Demographically. That's what was so damn frustrating about Trump backing McDaniel to run the RNC btw, I mean she's a freaking Romney. Even she knows though that this is her last go round. The power cabal in the Senate (McConnell, Thune, Daines, Graham, Cornyn, etc) of Neocons is getting old and only has control by a handful of votes now, it's just damn hard to get rid of multi term incumbent Republican Senators. Honestly a strong election in '24 could spell their doom. You have to remember that at least a third of the folks in the Senate are just there for the perks anyway, they just vote for the Leader who will give win and give them the most money for their re-election.

That's the real truth. Hell even Pompeo got scared off from running for being too Bush like and he was Trump's SOS and he is FAR better than Bush or his ilk. No Bush/McCain/Romney type will ever win the GOP nomination again, that time is just past. It's just going to take some time for the last vestiges to wither away.

You aren't paying close enough attention if you think the losses are on him.

Nah, but I'll damn sure vote for him if he is the chose over wet pants.

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slaughtr said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Saying trump is "an integral part of the deep state" is like saying "cancer cells are an integral part of the human body."

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Thanks. I'm glad you agree.

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Thank you. Trump is a killer of the deep state.

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Is he though?

Funky Winkerbean said:

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You aren't paying close enough attention if you think the losses are on him.

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You have to be in denial to think that they aren't about him.

japantiger said:

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Trump's losses are his. He owns them. He was naive and out of his depth on what it takes to run the bureaucracy and he hired lousy people to go execute his wishes. Some just couldn't do the job; others deliberately sabotaged him, He owns that.

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He hired competent people then got upset when they weren't ass kissers. Is it even possible for an ass-kisser to ever make it to that high a level in anything?

Trump's way of dealing with people is to demand they bend over to his every desire and then, when they don't, he hates their guts. This is a major flaw for a President. I think that it really shows a lack of ability to effectively manage people.

What other President has ever had the turnover that Trump had? If he is reelected in 2024, what competent non-ass kisser would even want to work in his administration?

On the other hand, we never hear of this issue with DeSantis. It doesn't seem likely that DeSantis surrounds himself with what he expects to be ass-kissers and he appears to get things done as a result.

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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You aren't paying close enough attention if you think the losses are on him.

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You have to be in denial to think that they aren't about him.

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The leader owns the good and the bad. Otherwise, you're just another career-political-***** like Biden that makes outrageous claims and blames bad news on Trump...still to this day...

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japantiger said:

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Trump's losses are his. He owns them. He was naive and out of his depth on what it takes to run the bureaucracy and he hired lousy people to go execute his wishes. Some just couldn't do the job; others deliberately sabotaged him, He owns that.

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He hired competent people then got upset when they weren't ass kissers. Is it even possible for an ass-kisser to ever make it to that high a level in anything?

Trump's way of dealing with people is to demand they bend over to his every desire and then, when they don't, he hates their guts. This is a major flaw for a President. I think that it really shows a lack of ability to effectively manage people.

What other President has ever had the turnover that Trump had? If he is reelected in 2024, what competent non-ass kisser would even want to work in his administration?

On the other hand, we never hear of this issue with DeSantis. It doesn't seem likely that DeSantis surrounds himself with what he expects to be ass-kissers and he appears to get things done as a result.

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DeSantis has a very strict "no leaks" policy. You can disagree with him in private and give counsel but make no mistake, once a decision is made it needs to be "Yes sir" and everyone stays on message. If you deviate at all you are gone and he doesn't hesitate.

The reason DeSantis does this is not only to make sure he has people loyal to him but to make sure he isn't wasting time chasing after internal problems. The drama level in his Admin is very low, you do your job and you remember what the priorities are or else you are gone. People respond to that, especially very smart people. Of course the key to making that work is DeSantis himself works his ass off and he is extremely intelligent, he's an easy guy to respect and follow. Some of the folks he has hired are absolute bulldogs btw and they lie to win and absolutely crush Democrats. He has absolutely crushed the FL Dem Party and he is continuing to pile on.

Is it wrong for me to want Trump to win with DeSantis as VP? And then DeSantis as President for the next 8 years?

The voting machines and media won't allow it to happen, but I wonder if Trump would ever consider DeSantis as VP. If so, I wonder if DeSantis would accept the offer.

No, that bridge has been burned if it ever existed (RD doesn't seem like the type to ever accept a VP role).

I am honestly pretty surprised at the level of support for Donald Trump running in 2024.

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eric76 said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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You aren't paying close enough attention if you think the losses are on him.

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You have to be in denial to think that they aren't about him.

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The leader owns the good and the bad. Otherwise, you're just another career-political-whore like Biden that makes outrageous claims and blames bad news on Trump...still to this day...

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Just out of curiosity, has Trump ever took ownership of his own mistakes? I cannot remember ever meeting anyone as bad about trying to blame everyone else for his own shortcomings. He definitely isn't leadership material.

AgsWin2011 said:

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Is it wrong for me to want Trump to win with DeSantis as VP? And then DeSantis as President for the next 8 years?

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Yes, because a Republican probably won't win in 2028 if Trump wins in 2024.
But DeSantis can and probably will win NOW (if he wins the primary).