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Not a single person here has done that, intimated that or even remotely hinted at that.TxTarpon said:And this child molester ran their cult.fc2112 said:
... 76 men, women and children at the Branch Division compound outside of Waco.
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Randy Weaver is a better hero.This (censored) enacted some punishment on federal workers in OKC because he thought the govt needed some payback for Waco.Quote:
And no one was punished.
Both Koresh and McVeigh are in hell.
If you choose to make them heroes them....oh well.
Actually, they committed suicide. But, whateverfc2112 said:
... 76 men, women and children at the Branch Division compound outside of Waco.
And no one was punished.
We'll never know because the feds murdered all of those people.fk said:
But the idea that nothing would have happened if not for the raid is simply not accurate.
Some may have. Most absolutely did not.Quote:
Actually, they committed suicide. But, whatever
True. Most were killed by the fire set by the DavidiansEllis Wyatt said:Some may have. Most absolutely did not.Quote:
Actually, they committed suicide. But, whatever
Again - nobody knows if the weapons he had (we know he had weapons) were illegal or not, that was an allegation that was used as a pretense for the feds to play soldier and do a raid. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't....nobody really knows.fka ftc said:When you stockpile fully automatic weapons and grenades along with credible allegations of child abuse does not make David Koresh a martyr.schmellba99 said:The only people that make this claim....are the FBI and ATF.fka ftc said:
Unfortunately I could see a false flag op this week.
Blaming the FBI and ATF on those deaths is not correct, though they contributed to an environment of chaos, stress, pressure, etc knowing they had a powder keg of crazy man / people, anti-gov fanatics, weapons, explosives, etc.
They deserve all of the blame for escalating the situation and setting the circumstances up. But the decision to light those fires remains with Koresh.
They are 100% responsible for all of the deaths because they chose to handle what should have been - and could have been - a very simple detainment of Koresh in the absolute worst possible manner and then proceeded to effectively siege the place for nearly 60 days for no other reason than "because we can".
Including getting a freaking M1 Abrams from Ft. Hood and deciding to play demolition derby to a building that they KNEW housed nearly 100 people, many of whom were women and children.
This was absolutely without a doubt 100% the fault of the feds, any argument otherwise is dumb.
BTW - Koresh had an absolute death wish and was waiting for a moment to take his flock with him to paradise. He was of such sound mind that he preached on this regularly, and even drilled for a raid.
Yes, ATF, FBI, media, Reno, Clinton all deserve heavy blame. But the idea that nothing would have happened if not for the raid is simply not accurate.
To avenge a false prophet pedo who held children as hostages?combat wombat said:
You can want retribution for bad acts regardless of who those bad acts were perpetrated against.
Soooooooooooo wrong! To approach the correct assessment...they were murdered, just to satisfy a number of idiot's egos.2040huck said:Actually, they committed suicide. But, whateverfc2112 said:
... 76 men, women and children at the Branch Division compound outside of Waco.
And no one was punished.
bs, They set the fire. That's not even in dispute. Listen to the audio recoreded at the time. If you deny that, you are not very credible.whatthehey78 said:Soooooooooooo wrong! To approach the correct assessment...they were murdered, just to satisfy a number of idiot's egos.2040huck said:Actually, they committed suicide. But, whateverfc2112 said:
... 76 men, women and children at the Branch Division compound outside of Waco.
And no one was punished.
NahRip*91 said:
You might want to put down the shovel. You are embarrassing yourself.
That's sort of and endless argument that could be had but no one knows if nothing would have happened, or if a simple knock by a social worker would have caused him to initiate his apocalypse and take his flock on to their great reward.Ellis Wyatt said:We'll never know because the feds murdered all of those people.fk said:
But the idea that nothing would have happened if not for the raid is simply not accurate.
TxTarpon said:NahRip*91 said:
You might want to put down the shovel. You are embarrassing yourself.
IIIHorn said:TxTarpon said:NahRip*91 said:
You might want to put down the shovel. You are embarrassing yourself.
Is that a Carvin?
MROD92 said:IIIHorn said:TxTarpon said:NahRip*91 said:
You might want to put down the shovel. You are embarrassing yourself.
Is that a Carvin?
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TxTarpon said:To avenge a false prophet pedo who held children as hostages?combat wombat said:
You can want retribution for bad acts regardless of who those bad acts were perpetrated against.
Pick a better leader.
What a difference a decade makes.
If in 2003, had a compound inhabited by muslims lead by Mohommed Bin Koresh been raided by the Feds (for the same reasons as Mt Carmel in 1993) in similar aggressive govt fashion, most Americans would have been cheering for the FBI HRT.
I understand that the evidence that they started the fire themselves is quite strong. If that is the case, then the ones who should be punished for it died in the very fire they set.Ellis Wyatt said:Some may have. Most absolutely did not.Quote:
Actually, they committed suicide. But, whatever
They were murdered by others in their cult. There is no rational way to blame the FBI for that.whatthehey78 said:Soooooooooooo wrong! To approach the correct assessment...they were murdered, just to satisfy a number of idiot's egos.2040huck said:Actually, they committed suicide. But, whateverfc2112 said:
... 76 men, women and children at the Branch Division compound outside of Waco.
And no one was punished.
That's right. Koresh murdered them.Ellis Wyatt said:Some may have. Most absolutely did not.Quote:
Actually, they committed suicide. But, whatever
And instead of death by cop, didn't he kill himself rather than die in his own fire?TxTarpon said:David Koresh was their leader.Quote:
Not a single person here has done that, intimated that or even remotely hinted at that.
His leadership started the chain of events that lead to the raid.
His leadership kept children in the compound as hostages.
He wanted death by cop and he wanted to take as many with him as he could.
FBI HRT obliged him.Rub your eyes (not like Koresh rubbed those toddlers), shake your brain cells loose and reread my 1:36 post.Quote:
I know...it takes a couple of brain cells rubbing together in your noggin to understand that, but I bet if you try hard you can.
Agree. I believe that the Democrats were preparing to go all in on a much broader weapons ban but after Waco all they could get was a 10 year ban on 'assault' weapons.Rapier108 said:
All the feds had to do was wait them out, but Clinton and Reno wanted to score a victory.
Heck, the initial raid was all about setting the narrative about the nation being flooded with illegal guns and we need to rid ourselves of them by outlawing guns completely.
It's Wakko, I mean Waco. This also led to another cataclysmic situation when 2 men 2 years later on the same day committed an unspeakable act in OKC. There is plenty of blame on both sides.MouthBQ98 said:
I agree. The feds set up the circumstances under which a ln apocalyptic cult killed themselves after an unnecessary and horribly botched raid got ATF agents killed.
the opposite actuallySlicer97 said:
Could've been avoided by just waiting it out and arresting Koresh sometime when he was away from the compound.
Never trust a 3-letter agency. And the ATF should've been disbanded long ago.
The depth and extent of the rot and corruption that exists up and down the federal law enforcement and intelligence structure is SHOCKING when you start to peel back the onion.ts5641 said:
After watching the recent Netflix doc on this, it truly is frightening how the feds operate. Made a terrible decision to raid, got 4 agents killed, uped the ante and ended with multiple men, women, and children dead.
And an FBI SWAT dude took a selfie in front of the burned ruins...
Martin Cash said:That's right. Koresh murdered them.Ellis Wyatt said:Some may have. Most absolutely did not.Quote:
Actually, they committed suicide. But, whatever
It's incredible that there are educated people who still think the FBi/ATF started the fire. But then, I'm basing that on a presumption.
LMCane said:the opposite actuallySlicer97 said:
Could've been avoided by just waiting it out and arresting Koresh sometime when he was away from the compound.
Never trust a 3-letter agency. And the ATF should've been disbanded long ago.
they were literal idiots and wanted to flex by raiding the compound
when if they had a scintilla of intelligence or empathy for the cultists and kids-
they would have ambushed David Koresh when he drove into town by himself or with a few other folks.
before any raid.