... 76 men, women and children at the Branch Division compound outside of Waco.
And no one was punished.
And no one was punished.
I don't. The government burned that place down. Anyone who doubts that hasn't been watching our government operate since 2016.MouthBQ98 said:
I agree. The feds set up the circumstances under which a ln apocalyptic cult killed themselves after an unnecessary and horribly botched raid got ATF agents killed.
Why? Because he didn't puzz out and fold to the feds? Pfffft.fka ftc said:
Unfortunately I could see a false flag op this week.
Blaming the FBI and ATF on those deaths is not correct, though they contributed to an environment of chaos, stress, pressure, etc knowing they had a powder keg of crazy man / people, anti-gov fanatics, weapons, explosives, etc.
They deserve all of the blame for escalating the situation and setting the circumstances up. But the decision to light those fires remains with Koresh.
fka ftc said:
They had a horde of illegal weapons and were gathering more at an alarming rate. They expected the feds to come calling again.
Add in reports (since verified by those who were inside) of rampant child abuse and sexual exploitation and I believe the Feds had a right to inspect the property and investigate.
That said, every decision they made about when, how and where to perform that operations were fantastically stupid and costs lives.
No excuses for a pedophile loon who set fire to his own followers.
"The buck stops here" - Janetfc2112 said:
... 76 men, women and children at the Branch Division compound outside of Waco.
And no one was punished.
And this child molester ran their cult.fc2112 said:
... 76 men, women and children at the Branch Division compound outside of Waco.
This (censored) enacted some punishment on federal workers in OKC because he thought the govt needed some payback for Waco.Quote:
And no one was punished.
I don't think anyone is choosing to make either of those losers heroes. You can recognize both the fact that Koresh needed dealing with and that the methods employed by the ATF/FBI HRT displayed astounding incompetence are true.TxTarpon said:And this child molester ran their cult.fc2112 said:
... 76 men, women and children at the Branch Division compound outside of Waco.
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Randy Weaver is a better hero.This (censored) enacted some punishment on federal workers in OKC because he thought the govt needed some payback for Waco.Quote:
And no one was punished.
Both Koresh and McVeigh are in hell.
If you choose to make them heros them....oh well.
Read the posts.Quote:
No one made koresh a hero…
Because they are stupid.Quote:
Why didn't the atf just arrest koresh while he was out jogging around Waco?
Yep.Quote:
They knew this was his normal routine multiple times a week….
See also AIMQuote:
I don't think anyone is choosing to make either of those losers heroes. You can recognize both the fact that Koresh needed dealing with and that the methods employed by the ATF/FBI HRT displayed astounding incompetence are true.
Randy Weaver was the real deal not a cult leader.Quote:
There were no heroes in Waco.
ts5641 said:
After watching the recent Netflix doc on this, it truly is frightening how the feds operate. Made a terrible decision to raid, got 4 agents killed, uped the ante and ended with multiple men, women, and children dead.
And an FBI SWAT dude took a selfie in front of the burned ruins...
Yesterday said:fka ftc said:
They had a horde of illegal weapons and were gathering more at an alarming rate. They expected the feds to come calling again.
Add in reports (since verified by those who were inside) of rampant child abuse and sexual exploitation and I believe the Feds had a right to inspect the property and investigate.
That said, every decision they made about when, how and where to perform that operations were fantastically stupid and costs lives.
No excuses for a pedophile loon who set fire to his own followers.
Don't think anyone is defending Koresh. We just don't think it's good to burn the very kids you're trying to help.
ATF/FBI could have grabbed him any time they wanted. They needed a public win and as you said, went full FUBAR.
Definitely Not A Cop said:
It always blows my mind that these cults usually will have the most puritanical views of sex… except for the cult leader, he's always allowed to go around like it's a buffet. And nobody really gives a ****, or at least they excuse it.
The FBI and ATF made plenty of mistakes, but they murdered no one. David Koresh murdered those people and no amount of spin changes that fact.fc2112 said:
... 76 men, women and children at the Branch Division compound outside of Waco.
And no one was punished.