The Zelensky $400+ million scam (of 2022)

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texagbeliever
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nortex97 said:

TXAggie2011 said:

Poland's been one of Ukraine's biggest supporters throughout this. That's not a response to corruption. That's a protectionist response to Ukrainian products going through Central Europe duty free because Russia's made it so damn hard to get them shipped normally via the Black Sea
Poland's government has, yes. Polish farmers can't stand it. And the point, as with this thread, is that Ukrainian corruption/graft appeals to government folks dealing with aid/shipments, whether it is Biden, Russian oil/gas types (note Burisma was incorporated in Cyprus and run by Russian billionaires mostly), Iranians, Turks, or Polish government officials.





Yes, they're in on the scam together.

I dont agree with this. I hold Russia opposes China and is just trying to grow their power. They also oppose the socialist/managerial western europe and united states. Their goal isn't altruistic but it is reasonable given the current political currents.
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It's worse. Flat earthers actually believe the nonsense they spew.
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GAC06 said:




It honestly astounds me that a functioning adult can honestly believe "it's not a real war" and it's a vast international conspiracy between the US, Russia, and China. It's like trying to argue with a flat earther
It honestly astounds me that a functioning adult can honestly not see its a proxy war setup to grift.

Thank god planes today mostly fly themselves - and modern airliners are already capable. Just sayin...
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Teslag said:

It's worse. Flat earthers actually believe the nonsense they spew.

Safe. Free. Effective.
Are you talking about yourself?
nortex97
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GAC06 said:

nortex97 said:

TXAggie2011 said:

Poland's been one of Ukraine's biggest supporters throughout this. That's not a response to corruption. That's a protectionist response to Ukrainian products going through Central Europe duty free because Russia's made it so damn hard to get them shipped normally via the Black Sea
Poland's government has, yes. Polish farmers can't stand it. And the point, as with this thread, is that Ukrainian corruption/graft appeals to government folks dealing with aid/shipments, whether it is Biden, Russian oil/gas types (note Burisma was incorporated in Cyprus and run by Russian billionaires mostly), Iranians, Turks, or Polish government officials.





Yes, they're in on the scam together.


It honestly astounds me that a functioning adult can honestly believe "it's not a real war" and it's a vast international conspiracy between the US, Russia, and China. It's like trying to argue with a flat earther
Likewise, your reading comprehension and analysis skills astound me.

It's a real war, just not simply between two neighboring countries. That some don't comprehend that even as a possibility is simply...astounding, to borrow your word choice, again. I don't think Joe Biden could spell Kiev if you spot him the consonants, but I am quite certain there are factions/elements in our government/China/Russia/WEF that are quite involved in the planning/execution of this conflict/conflagration/war.
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It's astounding to you people don't believe a theory you invented and offer without evidence? Seems like that should be expected, not surprising.
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texagbeliever said:

nortex97 said:

TXAggie2011 said:

Poland's been one of Ukraine's biggest supporters throughout this. That's not a response to corruption. That's a protectionist response to Ukrainian products going through Central Europe duty free because Russia's made it so damn hard to get them shipped normally via the Black Sea
Yes, they're in on the scam together.

I dont agree with this. I hold Russia opposes China and is just trying to grow their power. They also oppose the socialist/managerial western europe and united states. Their goal isn't altruistic but it is reasonable given the current political currents.
I've seen no evidence Russia perceives China as a strategic near term threat to them. What analyses have you read to lead you to this conclusion? Sino-Russian trade and cooperation has been leaping upward throughout this conflict, and has strengthened both economically.
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Overall world view.

3 super powers. Russia is the weakest of the 3. Their actions should be such that they never want one of the other 2 to beat the other.

I think at the moment they see managerial societies in western Europe as a bigger threat partially because they could align with China eventually. So that is their focused effort at the moment.
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I think Russia is a superpower in nuclear weapons/land mass only. It's a 3rd world economy (dependent on energy/oil/gas exports) with a dying demographic, period. They do see Europe/the west broadly as a culturally decadent/threatening/invasive 'thing' in many respects, though.

I can understand to a degree why they don't want Nato on their doorstep in Ukraine, with a puppet government to boot, but ultimately I think this war is run by oligarchs/billionaires who don't care one iota about some sort of nation state rivalry, but rather power and wealth of their own.

Needless to say, the CIA/Biden (*) don't have the American people's best interest at heart, either. It's a challenge to discuss on a message board when folks deny his senility and see things purely as a Putin vs. Ukraine paradox. I care/keep posting about it because I think it's a very dangerous moment in American/world history.
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MouthBQ98 said:

I can argue this one:

The world idiotically outsourced something like 3/4 of mid to high end chip fabrication to an island nation 100 miles off the coast of China that China has been threatening for decades. Our global supply chain and production collapses in the space of a couple of years for several years until enough of that production can be outsourced elsewhere if there is a war.

Almost Every consumer good and device or part containing sophisticated electronics becomes unavailable.

The entire world is vulnerable to this right now. That's a pretty important reason to be concerned.
direct result I assume?

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Not directly, but indirectly I am sure.

Taiwan has 60+ percent of the global semiconductor market by revenue, but the Koreans (Samsung) have 18 or so percent. There are big tax incentives to make those facilities in the US now. TSMC is no joke something that needs to be broken up into competitive businesses. $2.6 trillion could evaporate overnight. It's just that disruptive, and why...Ukraine is just a proxy.

With pending disruption of product from Taiwan, that would also probably entail some threatening actions/war in Korea (from the CCP proxy there) as a distraction, so the Koreans as businessmen are smartly trying to diversify in advance/case. For you non-math experts, between Korea and Taiwan we are talking about 80 percent of the global silicon chip production/market.

In a real world China-invades-Taiwan conflict, no one would get an iphone, or possibly even 90 percent of things like new cars, for going on 9 months to a year, imho.
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fka ftc said:

GAC06 said:




It honestly astounds me that a functioning adult can honestly believe "it's not a real war" and it's a vast international conspiracy between the US, Russia, and China. It's like trying to argue with a flat earther
It honestly astounds me that a functioning adult can honestly not see its a proxy war setup to grift.

Thank god planes today mostly fly themselves - and modern airliners are already capable. Just sayin...
It honestly astounds me that a functioning adult can honestly think that the leadership of Ukraine is willing to sacrifice 100,000 citizens, stolen children, razed cities, destroyed infrastructure, stolen rich ag lands and ports, and to top it off have Russia go along with it at a cost of a decimated military.

Let's not forget this quote to explain your real position on the whole matter…..
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I remain very suspect of people who are all in for Ukraine. Cannot fathom wanting our dollars wasted and troops killed over an internal conflict within the USSR.



It only took me a year to figure out this place is nuts!
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If nukes and 3rd world economy are the qualifiers then India has entered the chat.

If we play no one's favorite game of what would fka ftc do as POTUS, I would be forming a solid strategic alliance with India as defense against Russia, China and the Muslim world.
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Monkeypoxfighter said:



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I remain very suspect of people who are all in for Ukraine. Cannot fathom wanting our dollars wasted and troops killed over an internal conflict within the USSR.




Obsession noted.

You think I give a **** someone whose username refers to a buttsex disease thinks I am some sort of Soviet supporter and that even so that is an insult? I think sucking on Zelensky's center teat would be more embarrassing.
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A stronger alliance with India would make a lot of sense. Of course, the BRICS (including India) are only being pulled/drawn further together by this war. India's trade with Russia has grown suddenly to a record level, as well as with China (up over 30 percent).

To the post above yours, yes, many 'leaders' over the years have happily 'sacrificed' hundreds of thousands of their subjects in furtherance of their own power. The list is too long to even start (it includes many Russians/erstwhile 'Ukrainian' leaders of the past), but there's no real reason to presume Zelensky is more ethical than those, or unwilling to do so. He's happily ordered conscripts into the meat grinder just like Putin, over a pile of rubble for instance in Bakhmut, without seeking a ceasefire. In his brief history there is much brutality, if often ignored in certain media.

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It honestly astounds me that a functioning adult can honestly think that the leadership of Ukraine is willing to sacrifice 100,000 citizens, stolen children, razed cities, destroyed infrastructure, stolen rich ag lands and ports, and to top it off have Russia go along with it at a cost of a decimated military.
Well, about that;

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Western media has looked the other way, however, as Zelensky and top officials in his administration have sanctioned a campaign of kidnapping, torture, and assassination of local Ukrainian lawmakers accused of collaborating with Russia. Several mayors and other Ukrainian officials have been killed since the outbreak of war, many reportedly by Ukrainian state agents after engaging in de-escalation talks with Russia.

"There is one less traitor in Ukraine," Internal Affairs Ministry advisor Anton Geraschenko stated in endorsement of the murder of a Ukrainian mayor accused of collaborating with Russia.

Zelensky has further exploited the atmosphere of war to outlaw an array of opposition parties and order the arrest of his leading rivals. His authoritarian decrees have triggered the disappearance, torture and even murder of an array of human rights activists, communist and leftist organizers, journalists and government officials accused of "pro-Russian" sympathies.

The Ukrainian SBU security services has served as the enforcement arm of the officially authorized campaign of repression. With training from the CIA and close coordination with Ukraine's state-backed neo-Nazi paramilitaries, the SBU has spent the past weeks filling its vast archipelago of torture dungeons with political dissidents.

On the battlefield, meanwhile, the Ukrainian military has engaged in a series of atrocities against captured Russian troops and proudly exhibited its sadistic acts on social media. Here too, the perpetrators of human rights abuses appear to have received approval from the upper echelons of Ukrainian leadership.

While Zelensky spouts bromides about the defense of democracy before worshipful Western audiences, he is using the war as a theater for enacting a blood-drenched purge of political rivals, dissidents and critics.
Better guy than Putin? Maybe, I dunno, but not someone I want to just go have a beer with, either way. Oh, and outside of all the outrage about a war crime (beheading) by a Russian unit, the Ukes-Russians exchanged hundreds of prisoners last week. Probably not covered on the war pimp channel.
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Wow………..that's quite a solid rebuttal to the pox guy. It's your quote, I suspect you'd best wear it because you will be reminded of it often it appears.
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B-1 83 said:

Wow………..that's quite a solid rebuttal to the pox guy. It's your quote, I suspect you'd best wear it because you will be reminded of it often it appears.
The lack of sense of humor and ability to detect sarcasm is astoundingly sad.

People really think that someone writing USSR to portray how Putin views the world makes that person a soviet sympathist.

Its further astoundingly sad that people think that is an insult.

And is defeatingly sad when people double down on said insults.
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B-1 83 said:

Wow………..that's quite a solid rebuttal to the pox guy. It's your quote, I suspect you'd best wear it because you will be reminded of it often it appears.
Oh, I intend to keep his quote front and center in order for everyone to see what his real angle is here. Hell, I might make his foolishness my signature.
It only took me a year to figure out this place is nuts!
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Two pages ago, you said that Ukraine was comparable to Chaz. You insulted yourself for me.
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Admiral Adama said:

Two pages ago, you said that Ukraine was comparable to Chaz. You insulted yourself for me.
Chaz was a free, sovereign nation for a week or two, wasn't it? They were working on building up their agriculture too, when it was brutally invaded/subjugated by the communists running Seattle (or Portland, whatever). Slava Chaz!

I guess some sovereign pretend wonderful places/utopias are more important than others.
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nortex97 said:

Oh, and outside of all the outrage about a war crime (beheading) by a Russian unit, the Ukes-Russians exchanged hundreds of prisoners last week. Probably not covered on the war pimp channel.


Yesterday 9:39 am.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3274372/0#discussion
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Admiral Adama said:

Two pages ago, you said that Ukraine was comparable to Chaz. You insulted yourself for me.
Me laughing at comments from you and a few other posters who think calling someone a soviet loyalists is some sort of insult...

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B-1 83
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fka ftc said:

Admiral Adama said:

Two pages ago, you said that Ukraine was comparable to Chaz. You insulted yourself for me.
Me laughing at comments from you and a few other posters who think calling someone a soviet loyalists is some sort of insult...


I'm sure it's not to someone who believes Ukraine still belongs to the USSR and this is an internal conflict. Hell, you may well see it as some sort of honor.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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B-1 83 said:

fka ftc said:

Admiral Adama said:

Two pages ago, you said that Ukraine was comparable to Chaz. You insulted yourself for me.
Me laughing at comments from you and a few other posters who think calling someone a soviet loyalists is some sort of insult...


I'm sure it's not to someone who believes Ukraine still belongs to the USSR and this is an internal conflict. Hell, you may well see it as some sort of honor.
Just because I received my degrees from Texas A&M does not mean I have to permanently think like some short of sheep.
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Nortex, you said you support 10% of foreign military aid. Can you describe that 10%? What led you to support that 10%?
nortex97
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There's probably some that makes sense, like donating old coast guard vessels to Vietnam to patrol waters for trade route security. The vast majority makes no sense, unless it is Foreign Military Sales where the purchasing ally is paying for it themselves (rather than using our own foreign aid money to do so). I know you are getting to some big 'gotcha' but yes I also favor reducing Israeli aid dramatically/commensurately.

The notion that the dollar is propped up as a reserve currency through our role as global policeman/armory is absurd, imho. Everyone's problems shouldn't be our problems by default, and it breeds long term resentment (see: central/South America, Philipines, etc).


Until our own borders are secure/funding for the coast guard/border patrol works, we shouldn't be spending that money on populaces that…need to become self sufficient.

The haughty CIA/state department folks testimonies during the Trump Ukraine corruption conversation impeachment fiasco reinforced my opinion we also need to disempower their ego-trip missions as they are too arrogant to see how horrible they really are at their jobs. As a bonus, defunding our foreign aid budget does that, too.
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Looks like Ye was right about the Israelis. Someone is owed an apology...

Also, those numbers are not all inclusive as other aid is provided in kind, other aid is disguised and still other aid comes in the form of pallets de benjamins.
 
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