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And yet many like you were complacent with muslim based govts doing the same corruption along with poppy cultivation and child rape.

Debt spending of 1 trillion US taxpayer funds "invested" here
Top Iraqi Graft-buster: Maliki's Government Must Go
Corruption is the forgotten legacy of the Iraq invasion

Another trillion "invested" in Afghanland


At least in Ukraine they are showing us that Russia is a shadow of it's former self.
When they have to buy sheet from Iran and China it shows they are circling the drain.

I can argue this one:

The world idiotically outsourced something like 3/4 of mid to high end chip fabrication to an island nation 100 miles off the coast of China that China has been threatening for decades. Our global supply chain and production collapses in the space of a couple of years for several years until enough of that production can be outsourced elsewhere if there is a war.

Almost Every consumer good and device or part containing sophisticated electronics becomes unavailable.

The entire world is vulnerable to this right now. That's a pretty important reason to be concerned.

What was the alternative? Jet let Putin take Ukraine and install his puppet government? Would he have stopped at that?

I think he would have set his sights on Poland and/or Baltic states. That would have triggered NATO and made an even bigger mess.

If we laid down and did nothing, China would be in Taiwan right now.

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Ukrainian aid should be terminated post haste until corruption is rooted out, and our own border secured.

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(yawn)
And yet many like you were complacent with muslim based govts doing the same corruption along with poppy cultivation and child rape.

Debt spending of 1 trillion US taxpayer funds "invested" here
Top Iraqi Graft-buster: Maliki's Government Must Go
Corruption is the forgotten legacy of the Iraq invasion

Another trillion "invested" in Afghanland


At least in Ukraine they are showing us that Russia is a shadow of it's former self.
When they have to buy sheet from Iran and China it shows they are circling the drain.

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Yes, Afghanistan and Iraq are useful data points today.

We did actually have audits/some control/ability to see where funds/weapons went in both cases though (before the Biden Bug out). Obama (status of forces agreement) and Biden surrendered fully in both cases to the forces at play. There's zero reason to see a different outcome in Ukraine in the future.

The intelligence community knows all they need to about the Russian army, no need to keep giving them training/experience/advancing doctrines (ability to operate combined arms/use drones more effectively etc).

We've again dumped more into Ukraine in a year than in the first 9 years in Afghanistan, with the 'hopeful' prospect of a $800 billion (?) rebuilding 'marshall plan' to follow for what is a hollowed out/depopulated shell of a corrupt country. That's a lot for the ostensible purpose of 'proving Russia's army is not as capable as the Soviets and uses war of attrition tactics.'



I am curious if there is a metric as to how many 18-30 year old males are killed per $ of aid in this war vs. others. That seems to be a cheerful metric some of the war pimps celebrate.

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Fun fact, they will support or defend our involvement in a possible Taiwan war depending on who is president.

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Who is doing/saying that? For the record, it seems like going to war, at all, with a senile commander is pretty dangerous, especially if it's two nuclear powers. I suppose you are one who denies the obvious reality that Biden is senile/has advanced dementia? Aren't you in the army/were? Would you want to be ordered into combat by a guy who can't functionally operate as an adult?

Who is Statista?
Who funds them?

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There's zero reason to see a different outcome in Ukraine in the future.

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Dead commies with fewer conventional assets is a good outcome.
Best reason.
We have outed that 2023 Russia < 1985 Soviet Union.
A blue vest greater at WalMart has more training than their grunt conscripts.

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The intelligence community knows all they need to about the Russian army, no need to keep giving them training/experience/advancing doctrines (ability to operate combined arms/use drones more effectively etc).

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And yet this board is full of those afraid of them.

Taiwan is actually a key American trading partner. Can't remember ever even buying anything that was made in Ukraine. They apparently make a lot of fertilizer and agricultural goods for Europe/Africa.

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Fun fact, they will support or defend our involvement in a possible Taiwan war depending on who is president.

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Who is doing/saying that? For the record, it seems like going to war, at all, with a senile commander is pretty dangerous, especially if it's two nuclear powers. I suppose you are one who denies the obvious reality that Biden is senile/has advanced dementia? Aren't you in the army/were? Would you want to be ordered into combat by a guy who can't functionally operate as an adult?

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Wait, so does Biden have dementia and totally incompetent or is he orchestrating a massive coordinated war with China, Ukraine, and Russia so he can get his 10%?

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Who is Statista?
Who funds them?

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There's zero reason to see a different outcome in Ukraine in the future.

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Dead commies with fewer conventional assets is a good outcome.
Best reason.
We have outed that 2023 Russia < 1985 Soviet Union.
A blue vest greater at WalMart has more training than their grunt conscripts.

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The intelligence community knows all they need to about the Russian army, no need to keep giving them training/experience/advancing doctrines (ability to operate combined arms/use drones more effectively etc).

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Sure.

I dunno, look it up, or disbelieve the figures, whatever you want.

https://www.statista.com/chart/29375/us-military-aid-to-ukraine-compared-to-past-wars/

The Russians aren't communist, fyi. They are corrupt, yes, but they are in recovery from that time. The Chinese are communists. The Russians-Ukes are just puppets in the grand scheme of geopolitics.

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Fun fact, they will support or defend our involvement in a possible Taiwan war depending on who is president.

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Who is doing/saying that? For the record, it seems like going to war, at all, with a senile commander is pretty dangerous, especially if it's two nuclear powers. I suppose you are one who denies the obvious reality that Biden is senile/has advanced dementia? Aren't you in the army/were? Would you want to be ordered into combat by a guy who can't functionally operate as an adult?

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Wait, so does Biden have dementia and totally incompetent or is he orchestrating a massive coordinated war with China, Ukraine, and Russia so he can get his 10%?

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I see you just ignored the question. This is part of why people don't take you very seriously I guess.

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What was the alternative? Jet let Putin take Ukraine and install his puppet government? Would he have stopped at that?

I think he would have set his sights on Poland and/or Baltic states. That would have triggered NATO and made an even bigger mess.

If we laid down and did nothing, China would be in Taiwan right now.

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Not only was that the alternative, it was the preferred outcome for many on this board. They 100% believe that some sovreign nations have no right to exist and their leaders should surrender and allow subjugation.

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Fun fact, they will support or defend our involvement in a possible Taiwan war depending on who is president.

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Who is doing/saying that? For the record, it seems like going to war, at all, with a senile commander is pretty dangerous, especially if it's two nuclear powers. I suppose you are one who denies the obvious reality that Biden is senile/has advanced dementia? Aren't you in the army/were? Would you want to be ordered into combat by a guy who can't functionally operate as an adult?

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Wait, so does Biden have dementia and totally incompetent or is he orchestrating a massive coordinated war with China, Ukraine, and Russia so he can get his 10%?

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I see you just ignored the question. This is part of why people don't take you very seriously I guess.

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To answer your question. Yes I'm in the Army. And my job isn't to choose my leaders. My job is to do whatever the people of this nation legally task me to do via their elected representatives.

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What was the alternative? Jet let Putin take Ukraine and install his puppet government? Would he have stopped at that?

I think he would have set his sights on Poland and/or Baltic states. That would have triggered NATO and made an even bigger mess.

If we laid down and did nothing, China would be in Taiwan right now.

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Then blame your boy biden for forcing the issue in December 2021 saying nato membership was up to Ukraine/fast tracked, and Obama before him who sat back and did nothing when Crimea was annexed.

Why does it matter if Kiev's corrupt government is an American one (as today post-2014 maiden coup), or a Russian one? That difference is worth the 15 percent inflation we've faced under Georgiag's Potus Biden? You're close to teslag on cognitive dissonance.

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Fun fact, they will support or defend our involvement in a possible Taiwan war depending on who is president.

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Who is doing/saying that? For the record, it seems like going to war, at all, with a senile commander is pretty dangerous, especially if it's two nuclear powers. I suppose you are one who denies the obvious reality that Biden is senile/has advanced dementia? Aren't you in the army/were? Would you want to be ordered into combat by a guy who can't functionally operate as an adult?

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Wait, so does Biden have dementia and totally incompetent or is he orchestrating a massive coordinated war with China, Ukraine, and Russia so he can get his 10%?

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I see you just ignored the question. This is part of why people don't take you very seriously I guess.

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To answer your question. Yes I'm in the Army. And my job isn't to choose my leaders. My job is to do whatever the people of this nation legally task me to do via their elected representatives.

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Do you deny he has dementia? Third and final attempt to get an answer. You're down 0-2. This is a change up right down the middle of the plate.

Biden? Ya, he's an incompetent rube and was long before he got old.

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What was the alternative? Jet let Putin take Ukraine and install his puppet government? Would he have stopped at that?

I think he would have set his sights on Poland and/or Baltic states. That would have triggered NATO and made an even bigger mess.

If we laid down and did nothing, China would be in Taiwan right now.

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Then blame your boy biden for forcing the issue in December 2021 saying nato membership was up to Ukraine/fast tracked, and Obama before him who sat back and did nothing when Crimea was annexed.

Why does it matter if Kiev's corrupt government is an American one (as today post-2014 maiden coup), or a Russian one? That difference is worth the 15 percent inflation we've faced under Georgiag's Potus Biden? You're close to teslag on cognitive dissonance.

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Why can't a country join NATO if it and NATO want it? When in its history has NATO ever been the aggressor?

Does Russia have a corrupt government?

Inflation was caused by the pandemic response, not the conflict in Ukraine. We've basically been at war somewhere for almost all of our nation's history.

No dead Americans yet, (aside from those who risked themselves as a personal choice), and greatly reduced odds Russia can or will ever be able to conventionally threaten a NATO member in the next 2-3 decades, if ever, and cause that to happen. Still a bargain provided we help influence this thing to end sooner rather than later and don't allow it to become a lasting money pit. It has to have an end. That end must be negotiated at some point. My suggestion is to let 2023 play out, the see where things lie when the fall mud sets in and suggest maybe that's a good time to start some talks about resolving this mess. By the. It's long term direction should be fairly clear.

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Biden? Ya, he's an incompetent rube and was long before he got old.

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As expected, you watched strike 3. LOL.

I didn't ask if he's incompetent/dumb.

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Taiwan is actually a key American trading partner. Can't remember ever even buying anything that was made in Ukraine. They apparently make a lot of fertilizer and agricultural goods for Europe/Africa.

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Grain. It's been mentioned, what, a million times in the past 2 year? They are the "bread basket of the world."

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Thanks Alex Jones.

Those who were under the Soviet boot are happy to enact revenge on their former Soviet masters.
Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine continues, but some Russians have defected to fight against the assault.
Slovakia delivers remaining 9 of 13 warplanes promised to Ukraine

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What was the alternative? Jet let Putin take Ukraine and install his puppet government? Would he have stopped at that?

I think he would have set his sights on Poland and/or Baltic states. That would have triggered NATO and made an even bigger mess.

If we laid down and did nothing, China would be in Taiwan right now.

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Then blame your boy biden for forcing the issue in December 2021 saying nato membership was up to Ukraine/fast tracked, and Obama before him who sat back and did nothing when Crimea was annexed.

Why does it matter if Kiev's corrupt government is an American one (as today post-2014 maiden coup), or a Russian one? That difference is worth the 15 percent inflation we've faced under Georgiag's Potus Biden? You're close to teslag on cognitive dissonance.

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Why can't a country join NATO if it and NATO want it? When in its history has NATO ever been the aggressor?

Does Russia have a corrupt government?

Inflation was caused by the pandemic response, not the conflict in Ukraine. We've basically been at war somewhere for almost all of our nation's history.

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Joe "Georgiag's potus" Biden blamed Putin for food and gas inflation. Are you saying he was lying (he asserted this over and over)?

Nato, yes, is perceived very differently by Russia/Russian leadership (including Putin.). It's amazing so many are unaware of this/wholly ignorant as to why/how that is the case.

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Fun fact, they will support or defend our involvement in a possible Taiwan war depending on who is president.

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Taiwan is not the same as Ukraine. This strawman is beyond stupid. Also Russia is way less of a threat than China.

I didn't see you advocating for USA to intervene for Hong Kong's freedom when China crushed them.

If someone had a degree in being wrong on every political take, that person just might be you.

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What was the alternative? Jet let Putin take Ukraine and install his puppet government? Would he have stopped at that?

I think he would have set his sights on Poland and/or Baltic states. That would have triggered NATO and made an even bigger mess.

If we laid down and did nothing, China would be in Taiwan right now.

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Then blame your boy biden for forcing the issue in December 2021 saying nato membership was up to Ukraine/fast tracked, and Obama before him who sat back and did nothing when Crimea was annexed.

Why does it matter if Kiev's corrupt government is an American one (as today post-2014 maiden coup), or a Russian one? That difference is worth the 15 percent inflation we've faced under Georgiag's Potus Biden? You're close to teslag on cognitive dissonance.

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Why can't a country join NATO if it and NATO want it? When in its history has NATO ever been the aggressor?

Does Russia have a corrupt government?

Inflation was caused by the pandemic response, not the conflict in Ukraine. We've basically been at war somewhere for almost all of our nation's history.

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Joe "Georgiag's potus" Biden blamed Putin for food and gas inflation. Are you saying he was lying (he asserted this over and over)?

Nato, yes, is perceived very differently by Russia/Russian leadership (including Putin.). It's amazing so many are unaware of this/wholly ignorant as to why/how that is the case.

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Satisfying nonsensical Russian paranoia is no excuse for allowing Putin to kill 100,000 Ukrainians, kidnapping Ukrainian children, razing Ukrainian cities, and taking over vast parcels of rich agricultural lands and mineral resources.

The "Russia had no choice but to invade because Ukraine wanted to join NATO" bit is probably the must amusing things I've ever heard. And it's repeated time and time again.

The Poles are even quite upset with Ukrainian corruption.

⚡️BREAKING: Poland bans the import of Ukrainian Agricultural Products.

This was done in response to the widespread protest of Polish farmers being undercut by Ukrainian imports. https://t.co/aAFIGdeT9J pic.twitter.com/tFBJjw4RBd

— The Enforcer (@ItsTheEnforcer) April 15, 2023

Good old fashioned protectionism is now corruption too?

Trying way too hard. Need another unnamed source.

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The Poles are even quite upset with Ukrainian corruption.

⚡️BREAKING: Poland bans the import of Ukrainian Agricultural Products.

This was done in response to the widespread protest of Polish farmers being undercut by Ukrainian imports. https://t.co/aAFIGdeT9J pic.twitter.com/tFBJjw4RBd

— The Enforcer (@ItsTheEnforcer) April 15, 2023

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That's nice. That makes the invasion of your neighbor, the killing of a hundred thousand or so of its citizens, the kidnapping of children, and the destruction of their cities and infrastructure just a-o-k. The bonus is that same destructor will now be your neighbor.

It was supposed to be transiting to other countries, but the polish farmers are pissed it's wound up being used for feed etc. in their domestic market thanks to corrupt Ukrainian sellers.

The goal was to use infrastructure for export but some smartasses wanted to gain and since grains from ukraine are cheaper then lical ones it affected prices a lot and polish farmers got upset

— Mindaugas (@Mindmelel) April 17, 2023

Ukrainian grain was supposed to be passing thru Poland, Slovakia, on its way to markets outside Europe. For reasons not clear, the grain stayed in these countries and has been sold domestically, undercutting local producers. So, Polish, Slovak farmers have had enough.

— fiona bergin 🌾🇺🇦🌏 (@fionabergin1) April 17, 2023

Now they are again trying to block the border/prevent transit/trains even from coming from Ukraine.

Poland: Polish Minister of Agriculture Resigns Under Growing Pressure from Farmers with Initial Mixed Public Reaction | USDA Foreign Agricultural Service https://t.co/qgl5TnSpXO

— jersey fletcher (@FletcherJersey) April 17, 2023

Some, I am sure involves corruption in Poland too/domestic politics.

Poland's been one of Ukraine's biggest supporters throughout this. That's not a response to corruption. That's a protectionist response to Ukrainian products going through Central Europe duty free because Russia's made it so damn hard to get them shipped normally via the Black Sea

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Poland's been one of Ukraine's biggest supporters throughout this. That's not a response to corruption. That's a protectionist response to Ukrainian products going through Central Europe duty free because Russia's made it so damn hard to get them shipped normally via the Black Sea

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That's just what the capitalist pigs in the West want you to think

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Poland's been one of Ukraine's biggest supporters throughout this. That's not a response to corruption. That's a protectionist response to Ukrainian products going through Central Europe duty free because Russia's made it so damn hard to get them shipped normally via the Black Sea

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Poland's government has, yes. Polish farmers can't stand it. And the point, as with this thread, is that Ukrainian corruption/graft appeals to government folks dealing with aid/shipments, whether it is Biden, Russian oil/gas types (note Burisma was incorporated in Cyprus and run by Russian billionaires mostly), Iranians, Turks, or Polish government officials.

The reason O'Biden won't fight the war to win is because it's not a real war, its Kabuki, a means of transferring wealth from the USA to comrades Putin, Xi & Zelensky, & back to their Marxist American Democrat comrades, BHO caked it leading from behind & Biden is playing stupid✔️ pic.twitter.com/nDNuBeA8A4

— Believing Patriot (@GospelOneMusic) April 14, 2023

Yes, they're in on the scam together.

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The current Ukrainian government might be corrupt as they come but that doesn't mean that there is also not an unjust war of territorial aggression including widespread war crimes being conducted against that nation by Russia. Russia is at least as corrupt as Ukraine. It's how "business" gets done much of Asia, it's practically part of the common culture. The question is not the current government, it is the people and the nation. Do they at least get to vote for their own choice of corrupt leader, or have one installed by Putin? And the violence and war crimes done in the interim.

I see it as utterly bizarre to project disdain for some presumably corrupt political leaders into an entire people and nation as a reason to disregard their circumstance. That's like blaming all Republicans for Biden.

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You take YOUR money and go fight in Ukraine if you feel so much love for the yellow and blue.

You stand with Ukraine but cower or simply ignore injustices happening every day in this Country.

I would challenge that honest political leaders are less common than unicorns.

For the left and squishy Rs, apply your new judicial standards of guilty until proven innocent to "corrupt" politicians and we can have a convo.

Laughable to assume political leaders are NOT corrup.

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Poland's been one of Ukraine's biggest supporters throughout this. That's not a response to corruption. That's a protectionist response to Ukrainian products going through Central Europe duty free because Russia's made it so damn hard to get them shipped normally via the Black Sea

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Poland's government has, yes. Polish farmers can't stand it. And the point, as with this thread, is that Ukrainian corruption/graft appeals to government folks dealing with aid/shipments, whether it is Biden, Russian oil/gas types (note Burisma was incorporated in Cyprus and run by Russian billionaires mostly), Iranians, Turks, or Polish government officials.

The reason O'Biden won't fight the war to win is because it's not a real war, its Kabuki, a means of transferring wealth from the USA to comrades Putin, Xi & Zelensky, & back to their Marxist American Democrat comrades, BHO caked it leading from behind & Biden is playing stupid✔️ pic.twitter.com/nDNuBeA8A4

— Believing Patriot (@GospelOneMusic) April 14, 2023

Yes, they're in on the scam together.

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It honestly astounds me that a functioning adult can honestly believe "it's not a real war" and it's a vast international conspiracy between the US, Russia, and China. It's like trying to argue with a flat earther

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Good old fashioned protectionism is now corruption too?

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Good old fashioned common sense and facts is now pro-russian propaganda if it dare becomes critical of most glorious sovereign nation of Ukraine.

People really need to learn history. Do you defend Germany as a sovereign nation with some inherent right to exist? I mean, the actual country as it exists today is barely 100 years old and spent several decades of that both conquering other sovereign lands and then in turn being occupied by other countries.

Again, no one wants to address the fact that Ukraine itself is a paper country used by both USSR and NATO other the years as a proxy to fight one another.

At least Putin has an agenda of going after the resources in the land occupied by Zelensky Ukes. And our agenda is supposedly just "muh sovereign lands, muh blue and yella, muh Putin is the antichrist".