The Zelensky $400+ million scam (of 2022)

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nortex97
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That's the CIA estimate apparently of his graft during 2022. I'm sure Brad Paisley had a stern discussion with him about this, last week. Also, buying diesel/gas from Russia during the Biden-Ukraine war, with American funds. LOL. Sorry for being so unpatriotic to question his heroism.

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What also is unknown is that Zelensky has been buying the fuel from Russia, the country with which it, and Washington, are at war, and the Ukrainian president and many in his entourage have been skimming untold millions from the American dollars earmarked for diesel fuel payments. One estimate by analysts from the Central Intelligence Agency put the embezzled funds at $400 million last year, at least; another expert compared the level of corruption in Kiev as approaching that of the Afghan war, "although there will be no professional audit reports emerging from the Ukraine."

"Zelensky's been buying discount diesel from the Russians," one knowledgeable American intelligence official told me. "And who's paying for the gas and oil? We are. Putin and his oligarchs are making millions" on it.

Many government ministries in Kiev have been literally "competing," I was told, to set up front companies for export contracts for weapons and ammunition with private arms dealers around the world, all of which provide kickbacks. Many of those companies are in Poland and Czechia, but others are thought to exist in the Persian Gulf and Israel. "I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there are others in places like the Cayman Islands and Panama, and there are lots of Americans involved," an American expert on international trade told me.
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The issue of corruption was directly raised with Zelensky in a meeting last January in Kiev with CIA Director William Burns. His message to the Ukrainian president, I was told by an intelligence official with direct knowledge of the meeting, was out of a 1950s mob movie. The senior generals and government officials in Kiev were angry at what they saw as Zelensky's greed, so Burns told the Ukrainian president, because "he was taking a larger share of the skim money than was going to the generals."

Burns also presented Zelensky with a list of thirty-five generals and senior officials whose corruption was known to the CIA and others in the American government. Zelensky responded to the American pressure ten days later by publicly dismissing ten of the most ostentatious officials on the list and doing little else. "The ten he got rid of were brazenly bragging about the money they haddriving around Kiev in their new Mercedes," the intelligence official told me.
This war is such a pathetic farce. It's just a tool to spike inflation globally while enriching 'certain' folks. No wonder Ukraine has appealed to the Biden crime family for so long.

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This isn't just corruption, but a competition of corruption.

It shouldn't be a surprise; even prior to the war, corruption and cronyism were widespread and systemic in Ukraine. Shady malefactors such as the Bidens traveled to Ukraine to strike shady deals with dubious oligarchs in Ukraine to enrich themselves. They knew that corrupt Ukrainian officials merely look the other way in exchange for inducements.

Zelensky, despite no background in politics, won the presidential election in 2019 from a campaign that was allegedly bankrolled by one of Ukraine's richest and most corrupt oligarchs, Igor Kolomoisky. Kolomoisky's record was so appalling that even the U.S. government banned him from entry into the country, citing "significant corruption" and his using his "influence and power for his personal benefit" as reasons.

Upon being elected, Zelensky passed "tough" anti-oligarch laws, which on the surface seemed like an anti-corruption move, but in reality, the laws were used to target both Zelensky's and Kolomoisky's challengers and adversaries.

There is more bad news apart from the corruption. Hersh also claimed that the U.S. government blew up the Nord Stream pipelines. Hersh quoted an unnamed intelligence official who said that the sabotage of the pipelines and lack of strategic planning about Ukrainian conflict had caused a mounting rift between the White House and the Intelligence Community. The official claimed that the White House lacks clarity on its policy in Ukraine, while the Pentagon is somewhat optimistically preparing for an end to the conflict.

A recent trove of leaked classified documents revealed a lack of unity among U.S. allies fighting the Ukraine war. Also, 14 American troops have been secretly deployed to Ukraine and are direct combatants in the war, contrary to claims made by U.S. officials.

The leak also revealed that the Ukrainian army, contrary to media reports, may be on the verge of losing the war due to the death of combatants, depletion of weaponry, and failure of air defenses. Other reports revealed that the Ukrainian conflict had attracted over 20 thousand foreign fighters from all over the world. These unvetted "fighters" could pilfer the advanced weaponry for other use or sell them in the black market to nefarious forces.

The president of Nigeria revealed that weapons from Ukraine are ending up in Nigeria, and Finnish media reportedthat criminal organizationscould betrafficking weapons from Ukraine to the U.S. or various E.U. nations.
Ukraine remains a corrupt cesspool of graft, lies and death.

As a reminder, without troops/forces on the ground, we're essentially not even trying to keep track of where the funds/weapons/$400/gallon fuel from Pakistan we send over goes. As with Afghanistan, corruption our aid dollars facilitated will/has only bred cynicism toward the government;

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The special inspector general who has overseen aid to Afghanistan since 2012, and some House Republicans, warn of the need for closer oversight of the military and humanitarian aid to Ukraine. The scale of the effort is massive. The $113 billion appropriated by Congress in 2022 approaches the $146 billion spent in 20 years for military and humanitarian assistance to Afghanistan, though the cost of sending U.S. troops there was far higher.

"When you spend so much money so quickly, with so little oversight, you're going to have fraud, waste and abuse," John Sopko, the special inspector general for Afghanistan reconstruction, said in an interview. "Massive amounts."
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Ukraine has a history of corruption, and President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has made stamping it out a priority.

Ukraine ranks 116th out of 180 nations on Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index. On Feb. 14, the defense minister named new deputies after news reports showed officials in the defense ministry had bought food for troops at inflated prices.

"We also enabled a lot of oligarchs in Afghanistan warlords," Sopko said. "The fear is if we don't get our ducks in a row, and we don't send a message about serious oversight, we're going to be doing the same thing in the Ukraine. What will happen is you're going to lose the support of the Ukrainians, citizens, the Ukrainians who are fighting and dying, bleeding, just like the Afghans lost faith in their government because of the corruption and the abuses by these oligarchs."
Ukrainian aid should be terminated post haste until corruption is rooted out, and our own border secured.
Monkeypoxfighter
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70,000 dead Russians, 3-4x that many wounded, a decimated Russian military, a heightened European military awareness (finally). A bargain. You bring up yours, I'll bring up mine. Minds won't change no matter how much you love Putin and the thought of a regrouped USSR.
It only took me a year to figure out this place is nuts!
Jbob04
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Uh oh. You just sent the bat signal out to the fan boys in the war thread. Waffle and his boys will not stand for this
nortex97
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LOLOLOLOL. Russia is stronger, growing faster than Germany and the UK this year, and will be outgrowing our own. We're the ones paying for years of stagflation thanks to PoopyPants war. Celebrate the death of hundreds of thousands whom you never knew as you wish.

Sometimes I wonder if the war cheerleaders even bother to read anything outside of a few propaganda sources.

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A Disaster on Foreign Policy
Second, while Obama weakened us in the Middle East, he generally maintained longstanding policy elsewhere. After the Maidan coup and the Russian takeover of Crimea, he pumped the brakes on significant U.S. involvement and avoided escalating the conflict. Biden did the opposite in late 2021, which was a major catalyst to the horrific war now underway in Ukraine. While Obama cooled on Israel and mostly ignored China's growing power, the global status quo remained largely the same when he left office.

Biden, in contrast, has teamed up with Western Europe against Russia, but, in the process, pushed most of the rest of the world closer together, creating a unified block opposing American power. The draconian economic sanctions against Russia, to include the seizure of Russian state funds held in western central banks, has spooked others, who wonder what would happen if they should end up on the wrong-side of the United States.

China has moved into the gap caused by our imperial overstretch and brokered deals between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Our long-standing good relations with Saudi Arabia, which helps ensure preferred access to their plentiful oil, have broken down significantly. Finally, all of these measures, along with excessive deficit spending, have led to the impending end of the dollar's status as the preferred currency for trade. This will increase interest rates, because foreign borrowers will be less plentiful, further reducing Americans' wealth.

While America's economic and military power was in decline before the Russia-Ukraine war, the encouragement of Ukrainian intransigence, divesting the United States and its allies of spare arms, and the weaponization of the dollar, trade, and banking systems were all optional measures. Combined, these choices turned a bad situation into an unmanageable disaster. Biden, along with large swaths of the "defense and intelligence community" share the blame for the current crisis.
Bird Poo
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Can we stop with the "you love Putin" dumbassery?
Funky Winkerbean
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And we go to war with Russia to try and keep it concealed. War makes the gravy train run even smoother.
TXAggie2011
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When I googled Zelensky $400million cia to learn more about Mr. Hersh's claim, this thread came up
My Name Is Judge
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Monkeypoxfighter said:

70,000 dead Russians, 3-4x that many wounded, a decimated Russian military, a heightened European military awareness (finally). A bargain. You bring up yours, I'll bring up mine. Minds won't change no matter how much you love Putin and the thought of a regrouped USSR.



Helicopter Ben
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Bird Poo said:

Can we stop with the "you love Putin" dumbassery?

I say let them keep making these stupid comments. Let's you know immediately what level thinker they are on the subject.
Jason C.
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Remember when Rand Paul held up most of that amount until an IG was appointed and then it passed anyway because of the war hawks and corruption in our own Capitol? I remember.
jrdaustin
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Monkeypoxfighter said:

no matter how much you love Putin and the thought of a regrouped USSR.


Want to know how I know you're full of crap?
samurai_science
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Monkeypoxfighter said:

70,000 dead Russians, 3-4x that many wounded, a decimated Russian military, a heightened European military awareness (finally). A bargain. You bring up yours, I'll bring up mine. Minds won't change no matter how much you love Putin and the thought of a regrouped USSR.
A bargain unless you are a middle class here in American dealing with debt and inflation.
rocky the dog
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
gonemaroon
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Didn't our own government fight tooth and nail to prevent funds in Ukraine from being audited?

It's as if...
Robert L. Peters
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Ha ha ha! The fan bois would have this deleted on their safe space.
What you say, Paper Champion? I'm gonna beat you like a dog, a dog, you hear me!
Teslag
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The Green Dragon said:

Ha ha ha! The fan bois would have this deleted on their safe space.


Of course it would be and should. It's not for political posts. I've had pro Ukraine political posts deleted on that thread. There's even a staff warning on the first page.
MouthBQ98
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Sorry, but this guys both ways: I need the names, sources, and at least some hard evidence. I don't start trusting current and former CIA now just because they happen to be hurting my opposition in the moment. They have their own institutional narratives and individual agendas. We need corroborating evidence. We need someone to bring forth something that can be used to overcome counter propaganda of presented in a courtroom.

There's a very good chance a historically corrupt culture that lived under a system of semi-feudal grift and protectionism for generations before it lived under a Soviet system of fraud and embezzlement and systemic lies for generations is surely capable of this. It is unfortunately almost to be expected. They didn't just change in the space of s couple of decades.

If we have "people on the ground" there, they should be bean counters carefully watching and conducting oversight. If the Ukrainians want so much western help, then damn sure the west gets to dictate how to is allocated and used and track it all.

I'll have to add that also, this is nothing new. In Afghanistan and Iraq, tens and hundreds of millions of dollars was systematically grifted away from us in our attempts to work with local allies and the new governments, not to mention the vast network of western contractors that were employed and all their subcontractors, etc. going back further, the exact same thing happened in Vietnam. The south Vietnamese governments were utterly corrupt by our standards.

We will never know what all happened in WWII. National patriotic zeal, full mobilization, and an extreme security state for American standards probably limited this, and also the fundamental necessity of winning the war and limited opportunities to operate outside it, but I am sure there was a vast amount of wealth that ended up employed other than intended or corrupt contractors being approved, etc.

That doesn't excuse Ukraine, but rather condemns war generally.
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Monkeypoxfighter said:

70,000 dead Russians, 3-4x that many wounded, a decimated Russian military, a heightened European military awareness (finally). A bargain. You bring up yours, I'll bring up mine. Minds won't change no matter how much you love Putin and the thought of a regrouped USSR.


This is so demonstrably stupid and wrong.
GAC06
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TXAggie2011 said:

When I googled Zelensky $400million cia to learn more about Mr. Hersh's claim, this thread came up


Perhaps nortex is Mr Hersh's unnamed source. Maybe for his nordstream story too. Maybe for his Bin Laden fantasy "story" as well.
Ags4DaWin
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Monkeypoxfighter said:

70,000 dead Russians, 3-4x that many wounded, a decimated Russian military, a heightened European military awareness (finally). A bargain. You bring up yours, I'll bring up mine. Minds won't change no matter how much you love Putin and the thought of a regrouped USSR.

Brainwashed.
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TXAggie2011
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PA24 said:

Fighting for their freedom? What freedom did they have that was worth the destruction of their country. Their wives and children made refugees and property of nearby neighbors.

The biggest loser of a proxy war are the poor folks and Ukraine was and still is the poorest country in Europe.



"Their country"
plata o plomo
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Good Russian is a dead Russian, lot of commie sympathizers on here don't remember the Cold War apparently. Not surprised that certain folks are defending Putin, trump did it for years and would make Ukraine surrender if he was still in charge. Good ol boy network is falling
halfastros81
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Strong and ethical US leadership would have made it clear that if you invade Ukraine it's not going to work out well for you. That would have been all the deterrent Putin would have needed imo.
GAC06
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That's happening right now
Ags4DaWin
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GAC06 said:

That's happening right now


And poor people are suffering, while corrupt Ukrainian officials and tyrants get rich.

Every time we have done this in the past it has worked out so well.........

Our weapons have never found themselves in the hands of terrorists or drug dealers after we send them overseas without any oversight....oh wait.
GAC06
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People are suffering because of Russian aggression, which is being countered.
J. Walter Weatherman
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TXAggie2011 said:

When I googled Zelensky $400million cia to learn more about Mr. Hersh's claim, this thread came up


Ah the usual "source: trust me bro."
nortex97
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halfastros81 said:

Strong and ethical US leadership would have made it clear that if you invade Ukraine it's not going to work out well for you. That would have been all the deterrent Putin would have needed imo.


The Manchurian White House wanted this war. The graft is a feature, not a glitch, to "our" leadership today.
GAC06
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4D chess. They tricked Russia into invading.
halfastros81
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Of course. This group is neither strong , ethical, nor do they really care about the general good of America or Americans. They are in it for themselves and whatever they think will further their own power and fortune.

There's an obvious reason Russia took Crimea under Obama and will ultimately take Ukraine under Biden.
nortex97
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GAC06 said:

4D chess. They tricked Russia into invading.


This took effort and planning to pull off. Certainly more than the dementia patient could pull off. The war in Ukraine was and is a key lever. Glad we agree.

halfastros81
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I'd argue it's not but even more so… Right now isn't the time it should have happened .
f burg ag
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plata o plomo said:

Good Russian is a dead Russian, lot of commie sympathizers on here don't remember the Cold War apparently. Not surprised that certain folks are defending Putin, trump did it for years and would make Ukraine surrender if he was still in charge. Good ol boy network is falling
Ukraine was part of Russia during the entirety of the Cold War. So does that make you a commie sympathizer or would a dead Russian in the Ukraine during the Cold War = a good Russian?
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Monkeypoxfighter said:

70,000 dead Russians, 3-4x that many wounded, a decimated Russian military, a heightened European military awareness (finally). A bargain. You bring up yours, I'll bring up mine. Minds won't change no matter how much you love Putin and the thought of a regrouped USSR.


So we're not allowed to believe there is corruption in Ukraine without loving Putin? Interesting.
 
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