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an electric car would make a great low cost no frills commuter car. Almost no maintenance, cheap to operate. They'd be great for quick trips into town or short drives to see relatives and friends

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I have been saying this for quite a while. If they made an affordable one a lot of little old ladies that never go more than 20 miles from their house would snap them up. Also, daily commuters who just want to get to work and home would buy them.

I can see a use for EV's, but at this point EV's do not meet a lot of peoples needs.

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She's right. There simply isn't a need, capability, or logical reason for 100% conversion to electric vehicles.

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To stop the global warming induced catastrophe.

That's the logic driving this.

No issue with EV's as an option. Let consumers choose.

Huge issue with the government forcing people into EV's.

And I've got news for you... there is no way that we'll spool up electric generating capacity timely to support all that incremental electric demand. Mark it down... we will see blackouts and curtailments that are "unexpected."

And of course that's when they'll want control of your thermostat to fix the problem. The problem they created with all this foolishness.

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an electric car would make a great low cost no frills commuter car. Almost no maintenance, cheap to operate. They'd be great for quick trips into town or short drives to see relatives and friends

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I have been saying this for quite a while. If they made an affordable one a lot of little old ladies that never go more than 20 miles from their house would snap them up. Also, daily commuters who just want to get to work and home would buy them.

I can see a use for EV's, but at this point EV's do not meet a lot of peoples needs.

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Hybrids accomplish this.

When you never think of the implications to a decision, and most frequently "how are we going to pay for that?", liberal economic policies often sound amazing.

At different points: the practical implications always come home to roost. Sometimes it's when a liberal gets the bill (like this chick) and sometimes it's when the new LibFacist government puts a boot in their back. But either way, reality is coming.

Recently watched an interview she did with Ben Shapiro. It was very friendly but Ben does a really good job of laying out his beliefs and how they should support that view if they believe whaat they say they believe (subtlety).
I think he has a way of making them re-evaluate their positions and move the ever so slightly conservative.

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an electric car would make a great low cost no frills commuter car. Almost no maintenance, cheap to operate. They'd be great for quick trips into town or short drives to see relatives and friends

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I have been saying this for quite a while. If they made an affordable one a lot of little old ladies that never go more than 20 miles from their house would snap them up. Also, daily commuters who just want to get to work and home would buy them.

I can see a use for EV's, but at this point EV's do not meet a lot of peoples needs.

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You're not going to be disappointed in the next 18 months.

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an electric car would make a great low cost no frills commuter car. Almost no maintenance, cheap to operate. They'd be great for quick trips into town or short drives to see relatives and friends

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I have been saying this for quite a while. If they made an affordable one a lot of little old ladies that never go more than 20 miles from their house would snap them up. Also, daily commuters who just want to get to work and home would buy them.

I can see a use for EV's, but at this point EV's do not meet a lot of peoples needs.

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Hybrids accomplish this.

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Plug in hybrids are the way. The insistence on full EV or bust is stupid.

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People chose to move from horses to automobiles because it became apparent that automobiles had a lot of advantages over horses

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And here we are today, a century and a quarter after automobiles were invented, and the horse is still a better way to travel or work in certain situations, or simply more fun for some folks.

We didn't immediately shoot all the horses.

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If you like your horse, you can keep your horse.

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When you never think of the implications to a decision, and most frequently "how are we going to pay for that?", liberal economic policies often sound amazing.

At different points: the practical implications always come home to roost. Sometimes it's when a liberal gets the bill (like this chick) and sometimes it's when the new LibFacist government puts a boot in their back. But either way, reality is coming.

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It's the exact same reason it's easy to be more progressive and liberal when you're a teenager. Then you grow up, get off the teet, work and provide for yourself and immediately you get more conservative.

When libs like Ana start using their brains and asking "How will this work in real life" the whole progressive agenda stops holding alot of water.

Plug in hybrids are a bridge technology that at some point will have an end of utility, surpassed by electric vehicles. Might as well do the same thing, but on a fleet scale and allow people whose needs are fulfilled by an electric vehicle buy an electric vehicle and those that need gas, buy gas.

My driving is fully capable of being replaced by an electric vehicle with no trade offs, I don't need a plug in hybrid. The guy towing a fifth wheel isn't going to want an electric vehicle or a plug in hybrid.

As charging distribution improves the trade offs of electric vehicles become less relevant, because you no longer have to stop at 40% remaining battery and recharge at slower rates to get less range, you can burn your battery from 100% to 10% and then charge back to 80% in marginally more time than it would take to go from 40 to 80% and substantially less time than a trip that required bouncing between 80%, 40%, 80%, and 30% because the next charging station doesn't fit within your remaining range.

If manufacturers want to build plug in hybrids, by all means, but in the long run they're probably not going to see a good enough return on investment in the production facilities when a company that was all in committed to electric vehicles is undercutting them on price (in purchase price, fuel, and maintenance) within the next decade.

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Interesting indeed...

Ana, you have repeatedly accused me of being a transphobe in the past. Are you starting to see how that label is nonsense used to silence those who speak up in defense of basic common sense? https://t.co/rjpQbHUUH6

— Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) April 10, 2023

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She's right. There simply isn't a need, capability, or logical reason for 100% conversion to electric vehicles.

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To stop the global warming induced catastrophe.

That's the logic driving this.

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We just need to pick all that free electricity from the electricity trees

That idiot with her "we don't have a choice"

Yes, we do have a choice, you dumb mother****er. Quit being a fat sheep

The push to mandatory EVs has nothing to do with everyone actually driving EVs. The point is to make personal transportation unaffordable and force people to use public transit.

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People like choices. People really like good value choices and choices that provide new capability.

People hate and resist mandates.

It's very easy. Incentivize and keep improving the choice to go electric, or offer good value with a hybrid drive, but allow those who feel the need to have the iCE choice to best meet their needs.

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Respectfully, the government is spending too much money on incentives (tax credits). The sales of the electric cars would plummet without all that tax money going to the EV buyers.

At the same time the Biden administration is doing everything possible to drive up the price of gasoline to incentivize people to go electric, by restricting O&G exploration and production in every way possible.

In short, the government is already distorting the market, and sacrificing the financial well-being of Americans at the alter of Global Warming.

In my opinion, let the electric vehicles compete against gas/diesel engines in an open market. On a side note, I don't think electric is the future. Too many issues such as sourcing materials, disposal, limited range, and short operating life. I think future tech will lead us to hydrogen or some other fuel source.

This is all a part of the plan and she's beginning to see...

The plan being...

Keep stealing elections so that leftists are always in power. Abolish gas-powered vehicles. More control over the peasants. Like, "how dare the masses be able to drive anywhere they want!!! We'll put a stop to that!!"

I don't think the battery technology is anywhere near us being able to switch to EVs as you think

The limiter is not battery technology, it is vehicle cost. When presented with a $50,000 vehicle price tag the average consumer isn't going to even consider the down stream trade offs. It is possible to build a reasonably desirable vehicle in the $25-30,000 vehicle price point with today's battery technology, it just doesn't make sense to put the same number of battery cells in a $30,000 vehicle when you could be putting it in a $50,000 vehicle.

When presented with the choice of buying a gas vehicle or an electric vehicle at the same price I think it's unlikely that a consumer is going to pick the gas vehicle provided the electric vehicle has 300+ miles of range.

The vast majority of drivers aren't going on 500 mile trips. 90% of all summer trips are shorter than 500 miles, that is inclusive of trips where people fly, and 80% of all trips are shorter than 250 miles with the average falling at 286 miles one way. That is within the range of an electric vehicle. A potential additional 20 minute layover on a one way drive each way provides a savings of >$1,500 in fuel and maintenance costs annually, so if you did decide to go on a longer trip it would be affordable to fly, rent a car, and fly home rather than drive an ungodly long distance allowing for more vacation time.



The vast majority of drivers aren't driving more than 300 miles in a day more than once a year, they aren't towing anything with their truck, they're driving to and from work and to run errands or meet friends. There are certainly outliers, but for the 80-90% of people that don't do those things an electric vehicle is a good replacement.

Keep in mind, if she could tax you to pay for it instead of her paying for it she would be 1,000% behind it.

I still disagree, but as long as its driven by consumer choice, not government mandate, I'm good

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She's also been gettin a lot of flak for saying the term "birthing person" is insulting to women. And has refused to back down from it.

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This. She is pissed that the left has seen fit to attack her for her "birthing person" comment so now, she is turning the screws on them.

This definitely seems like a slow red pilling of her. We'll see if it lasts.

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So far I am not seeing much advantage in an electric car over a gasoline vehicle.

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They do actually have some advantages:

• Cheaper fueling costs, though this may depend on local generation capacity, or the ability to charge at home during off-peak hours.
• Lower maintenance costs due to having fewer moving parts
• Quieter ride
• Instant torque and fast acceleration.

Personally, I think EVs a pretty cool technology, if you can look past the politics around them. But they aren't a practical option for everyone right now, due to higher up-front purchase price, and lack of at-home charging infrastructure for people who live in apartments.

Moreover, they aren't a panacea for greenhouse gas emissions. Because the "carbon footprint" of building a car in the first place can outweigh that of driving the car for a decade. And then 60% of US electricity generation still comes from burning fossil fuels.