The Green Dragon said:
We won this one.
Now all those that still have cable or satellite need to boycott CMT.
The play: accept a Bud Light, pour it out on the floor in front of him, take a punch, sue him.Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:
I like Charles and still will going forward. I'd love to ask him what names he's called people on the course who left a putt short or topped it behind the women's tees. 100% guarantee he used the F word that his little rant would apply to. So big deal, he's his own hypocrite.
Get Off My Lawn said:The play: accept a Bud Light, pour it out on the floor in front of him, take a punch, sue him.Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:
I like Charles and still will going forward. I'd love to ask him what names he's called people on the course who left a putt short or topped it behind the women's tees. 100% guarantee he used the F word that his little rant would apply to. So big deal, he's his own hypocrite.
He promotes Bud Light. He loses. You profit.
Interesting take. Sounds like something a lib would say.Opalka said:
So conservatives boycott Bud Light, and drive the stock price down. And now DeSantis wants to sue AB because the stock price hurts the shareholders. Wow, this guy wants to be president? Why are all of the republican nominees so unhinged?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-calls-state-investment-manager-002733560.html
A company has a fiscal responsibility to their shareholders. When a company does actions to alienate their customer base, they should be held accountable. It does not matter who that customer base is. I would say the same if white claw alienated their liberal customer base.Opalka said:
So conservatives boycott Bud Light, and drive the stock price down. And now DeSantis wants to sue AB because the stock price hurts the shareholders. Wow, this guy wants to be president? Why are all of the republican nominees so unhinged?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-calls-state-investment-manager-002733560.html
I see this frequently in Central Austin HEBs and convenience stores.Quote:
Unofficial Thursday afternoon report:
Hondo TX Walmart..
Miller section wiped out
Bud fully stocked, missing maybe a case or 2?
IF I owned AB stock I'd hope that the board of directors of AB are cleaning house as well.DatTallArchitect said:A company has a fiscal responsibility to their shareholders. When a company does actions to alienate their customer base, they should be held accountable. It does not matter who that customer base is. I would say the same if white claw alienated their liberal customer base.Opalka said:
So conservatives boycott Bud Light, and drive the stock price down. And now DeSantis wants to sue AB because the stock price hurts the shareholders. Wow, this guy wants to be president? Why are all of the republican nominees so unhinged?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-calls-state-investment-manager-002733560.html
Thank you.cajunaggie08 said:Its called pandering. Most companies do it. Evidence shows people love it when they are pandered to and buy more of a product when they think its for them. Its why A-B creates a hunting camo Busch beer in the fall. Its why Texas is slapped on any product made in the lone star state. You just dont like when someone is pandering to a market you dont fall in.Prosperdick said:
I'll try to make this as simple as possible for the obtuse. People are sick of politics, especially woke politics, being shoved down their throats all the time.
We don't want it when we're shopping.
We don't want it when we're drinking.
We don't want it when we're going to the movies or an amusement park.
It's very simple. Stop blasting your woke political nonsense at us. We're done. If it takes Target, Bud Light, and Disney to go belly up, maybe, just maybe, businesses can go back to what made them businesses in the first place.
When publicly traded companies like AB or Disney make decisions that hurt their shareholders in the service of other agendas, it violates their fiduciary duty to the shareholders and they should be accountable for the losses incurred as a result. That is not an "unhinged" or extremist position. When companies sell shares of stock to become publicly traded, part of the deal is that they now owe a duty to those shareholders to act in the interest of improving the return on investment by maximizing profits. Serving the agenda of ESG and other woke mobs doesn't do that and violates their fiduciary duty.Opalka said:
So conservatives boycott Bud Light, and drive the stock price down. And now DeSantis wants to sue AB because the stock price hurts the shareholders. Wow, this guy wants to be president? Why are all of the republican nominees so unhinged?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-calls-state-investment-manager-002733560.html
ETA: txags92: well stated, concise, to the point and totally correcttxags92 said:When publicly traded companies like AB or Disney make decisions that hurt their shareholders in the service of other agendas, it violates their fiduciary duty to the shareholders and they should be accountable for the losses incurred as a result. That is not an "unhinged" or extremist position. When companies sell shares of stock to become publicly traded, part of the deal is that they now owe a duty to those shareholders to act in the interest of improving the return on investment by maximizing profits. Serving the agenda of ESG and other woke mobs doesn't do that and violates their fiduciary duty.Opalka said:
So conservatives boycott Bud Light, and drive the stock price down. And now DeSantis wants to sue AB because the stock price hurts the shareholders. Wow, this guy wants to be president? Why are all of the republican nominees so unhinged?https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-calls-state-investment-manager-002733560.html
- they're not unhinged. The unhinged people are those pushing an agenda that in the end will cause untold damage.
Opalka said:
So conservatives boycott Bud Light, and drive the stock price down. And now DeSantis wants to sue AB because the stock price hurts the shareholders. Wow, this guy wants to be president? Why are all of the republican nominees so unhinged?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-calls-state-investment-manager-002733560.html
richardag said:ETA: txags92: well stated, concise, to the point and totally correcttxags92 said:When publicly traded companies like AB or Disney make decisions that hurt their shareholders in the service of other agendas, it violates their fiduciary duty to the shareholders and they should be accountable for the losses incurred as a result. That is not an "unhinged" or extremist position. When companies sell shares of stock to become publicly traded, part of the deal is that they now owe a duty to those shareholders to act in the interest of improving the return on investment by maximizing profits. Serving the agenda of ESG and other woke mobs doesn't do that and violates their fiduciary duty.Opalka said:
So conservatives boycott Bud Light, and drive the stock price down. And now DeSantis wants to sue AB because the stock price hurts the shareholders. Wow, this guy wants to be president? Why are all of the republican nominees so unhinged?https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-calls-state-investment-manager-002733560.html
- they're not unhinged. The unhinged people are those pushing an agenda that in the end will cause untold damage.
Sorry, not how it works. Plenty of "MAGA" conservatives use Apple products. Would you recommend that Apple hire "MAGA" influencers to push their products and risk alienating their core users? You don't promote something that the majority of your customers think is political or simply don't want to be associated with. Trans issues have become very political and BL chose to hire a "famous" trans person as an influencer.Quote:Thank you.Quote:
cajunaggie08 said:
Its called pandering. Most companies do it. Evidence shows people love it when they are pandered to and buy more of a product when they think its for them. Its why A-B creates a hunting camo Busch beer in the fall. Its why Texas is slapped on any product made in the lone star state. You just dont like when someone is pandering to a market you dont fall in.
POTD!
AC Hopper said:Thank you.cajunaggie08 said:Its called pandering. Most companies do it. Evidence shows people love it when they are pandered to and buy more of a product when they think its for them. Its why A-B creates a hunting camo Busch beer in the fall. Its why Texas is slapped on any product made in the lone star state. You just dont like when someone is pandering to a market you dont fall in.Prosperdick said:
I'll try to make this as simple as possible for the obtuse. People are sick of politics, especially woke politics, being shoved down their throats all the time.
We don't want it when we're shopping.
We don't want it when we're drinking.
We don't want it when we're going to the movies or an amusement park.
It's very simple. Stop blasting your woke political nonsense at us. We're done. If it takes Target, Bud Light, and Disney to go belly up, maybe, just maybe, businesses can go back to what made them businesses in the first place.
POTD!
93MarineHorn said:Sorry, not how it works. Plenty of "MAGA" conservatives use Apple products. Would you recommend that Apple hire "MAGA" influencers to push their products and risk alienating their core users? You don't promote something that the majority of your customers think is political or simply don't want to be associated with. Trans issues have become very political and BL chose to hire a "famous" trans person as an influencer.Quote:Thank you.Quote:
cajunaggie08 said:
Its called pandering. Most companies do it. Evidence shows people love it when they are pandered to and buy more of a product when they think its for them. Its why A-B creates a hunting camo Busch beer in the fall. Its why Texas is slapped on any product made in the lone star state. You just dont like when someone is pandering to a market you dont fall in.
POTD!
Apple was a poor choice for comparison. My point is that you don't risk alienating your core customer base by pandering to something that the base finds objectionable. Whether it's political, repulsive (woman face) or both.Quote:
He's not wrong. The difference between BL and Apple is that apple makes a product of such high quality, and with such a high demand, that they can advertise and pander to whomever they want and the vast majority of people will still buy their product. BL produces ****ty tasting water and has a ton of competitors that people can buy from if they want ****ty tasting water.
Conservatives don't like that they pandered to the woke, trans, hyper left leaning segment of the population and that's just fine. The ability for people to get pissed at businesses and choose not to buy from them is why capitalism is essential and socialism/communism needs to be shunned at all costs. That said, his post was spot on.
I don't think the BL boycott would have grown legs had they just made the sent the can to Mulvaney and then shut up about it. But when they interviewed the BL VP and she crapped all over their existing customer base, that is what was spread around that really pushed the buttons of a lot of their customers. What she did wasn't "pandering", it was taking a dump on their existing customers. It was dumb, and Bud Light should have apologized immediately for what she said and fired her. They dilly dallied, and now here we are.Pepper Brooks said:93MarineHorn said:Sorry, not how it works. Plenty of "MAGA" conservatives use Apple products. Would you recommend that Apple hire "MAGA" influencers to push their products and risk alienating their core users? You don't promote something that the majority of your customers think is political or simply don't want to be associated with. Trans issues have become very political and BL chose to hire a "famous" trans person as an influencer.Quote:Thank you.Quote:
cajunaggie08 said:
Its called pandering. Most companies do it. Evidence shows people love it when they are pandered to and buy more of a product when they think its for them. Its why A-B creates a hunting camo Busch beer in the fall. Its why Texas is slapped on any product made in the lone star state. You just dont like when someone is pandering to a market you dont fall in.
POTD!
He's not wrong. The difference between BL and Apple is that apple makes a product of such high quality, and with such a high demand, that they can advertise and pander to whomever they want and the vast majority of people will still buy their product. BL produces ****ty tasting water and has a ton of competitors that people can buy from if they want ****ty tasting water.
Conservatives don't like that they pandered to the woke, trans, hyper left leaning segment of the population and that's just fine. The ability for people to get pissed at businesses and choose not to buy from them is why capitalism is essential and socialism/communism needs to be shunned at all costs. That said, his post was spot on.
Uh no. It's not pandering; it's creating emotional association with a product. The lower the switching cost of a product/service, the more careful you need to be when crafting the image of the product.AC Hopper said:Thank you.cajunaggie08 said:Its called pandering. Most companies do it. Evidence shows people love it when they are pandered to and buy more of a product when they think its for them. Its why A-B creates a hunting camo Busch beer in the fall. Its why Texas is slapped on any product made in the lone star state. You just dont like when someone is pandering to a market you dont fall in.Prosperdick said:
I'll try to make this as simple as possible for the obtuse. People are sick of politics, especially woke politics, being shoved down their throats all the time.
We don't want it when we're shopping.
We don't want it when we're drinking.
We don't want it when we're going to the movies or an amusement park.
It's very simple. Stop blasting your woke political nonsense at us. We're done. If it takes Target, Bud Light, and Disney to go belly up, maybe, just maybe, businesses can go back to what made them businesses in the first place.
POTD!
He's correct. Never let up. Ever.Opalka said:
So conservatives boycott Bud Light, and drive the stock price down. And now DeSantis wants to sue AB because the stock price hurts the shareholders. Wow, this guy wants to be president? Why are all of the republican nominees so unhinged?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-calls-state-investment-manager-002733560.html
Yeah, great post. The brand is destroyedAC Hopper said:Thank you.cajunaggie08 said:Its called pandering. Most companies do it. Evidence shows people love it when they are pandered to and buy more of a product when they think its for them. Its why A-B creates a hunting camo Busch beer in the fall. Its why Texas is slapped on any product made in the lone star state. You just dont like when someone is pandering to a market you dont fall in.Prosperdick said:
I'll try to make this as simple as possible for the obtuse. People are sick of politics, especially woke politics, being shoved down their throats all the time.
We don't want it when we're shopping.
We don't want it when we're drinking.
We don't want it when we're going to the movies or an amusement park.
It's very simple. Stop blasting your woke political nonsense at us. We're done. If it takes Target, Bud Light, and Disney to go belly up, maybe, just maybe, businesses can go back to what made them businesses in the first place.
POTD!
This. It was more of what the marketing VP said than the cantxags92 said:I don't think the BL boycott would have grown legs had they just made the sent the can to Mulvaney and then shut up about it. But when they interviewed the BL VP and she crapped all over their existing customer base, that is what was spread around that really pushed the buttons of a lot of their customers. What she did wasn't "pandering", it was taking a dump on their existing customers. It was dumb, and Bud Light should have apologized immediately for what she said and fired her. They dilly dallied, and now here we are.Pepper Brooks said:93MarineHorn said:Sorry, not how it works. Plenty of "MAGA" conservatives use Apple products. Would you recommend that Apple hire "MAGA" influencers to push their products and risk alienating their core users? You don't promote something that the majority of your customers think is political or simply don't want to be associated with. Trans issues have become very political and BL chose to hire a "famous" trans person as an influencer.Quote:Thank you.Quote:
cajunaggie08 said:
Its called pandering. Most companies do it. Evidence shows people love it when they are pandered to and buy more of a product when they think its for them. Its why A-B creates a hunting camo Busch beer in the fall. Its why Texas is slapped on any product made in the lone star state. You just dont like when someone is pandering to a market you dont fall in.
POTD!
He's not wrong. The difference between BL and Apple is that apple makes a product of such high quality, and with such a high demand, that they can advertise and pander to whomever they want and the vast majority of people will still buy their product. BL produces ****ty tasting water and has a ton of competitors that people can buy from if they want ****ty tasting water.
Conservatives don't like that they pandered to the woke, trans, hyper left leaning segment of the population and that's just fine. The ability for people to get pissed at businesses and choose not to buy from them is why capitalism is essential and socialism/communism needs to be shunned at all costs. That said, his post was spot on.
txags92 said:I don't think the BL boycott would have grown legs had they just made the sent the can to Mulvaney and then shut up about it. But when they interviewed the BL VP and she crapped all over their existing customer base, that is what was spread around that really pushed the buttons of a lot of their customers. What she did wasn't "pandering", it was taking a dump on their existing customers. It was dumb, and Bud Light should have apologized immediately for what she said and fired her. They dilly dallied, and now here we are.Pepper Brooks said:93MarineHorn said:Sorry, not how it works. Plenty of "MAGA" conservatives use Apple products. Would you recommend that Apple hire "MAGA" influencers to push their products and risk alienating their core users? You don't promote something that the majority of your customers think is political or simply don't want to be associated with. Trans issues have become very political and BL chose to hire a "famous" trans person as an influencer.Quote:Thank you.Quote:
cajunaggie08 said:
Its called pandering. Most companies do it. Evidence shows people love it when they are pandered to and buy more of a product when they think its for them. Its why A-B creates a hunting camo Busch beer in the fall. Its why Texas is slapped on any product made in the lone star state. You just dont like when someone is pandering to a market you dont fall in.
POTD!
He's not wrong. The difference between BL and Apple is that apple makes a product of such high quality, and with such a high demand, that they can advertise and pander to whomever they want and the vast majority of people will still buy their product. BL produces ****ty tasting water and has a ton of competitors that people can buy from if they want ****ty tasting water.
Conservatives don't like that they pandered to the woke, trans, hyper left leaning segment of the population and that's just fine. The ability for people to get pissed at businesses and choose not to buy from them is why capitalism is essential and socialism/communism needs to be shunned at all costs. That said, his post was spot on.
Maybe, but brands do all kinds of crazy things that people hate, and if they either just don't react or express some conciliatory words about it, nothing happens and everybody goes back to normal. In this case it was the doubling down by the VP and the attack on the existing customers that did the real damage. If in that interview, she had said something like: "We know this can doesn't represent the typical Bud Light drinker and we are fine with that! It was a one off can we sent to Dylan to show our support, and not something we plan to put into nationwide production. We think Bud Light is a brand with room for all types of people to drink it and we are happy that our current customers have made us the number one beer in America." Then everything goes away and a few people grumble, but the boycott would have no traction at all.Pepper Brooks said:
I think you're splitting hairs. They pandered to a specific buyer the customer base hated the approach. They doubled down and publically said negative things about the customer base when confronted.They are paying the price for their terrible decisions.
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