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Rodney Ruxin
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

This is gonna kick a lot of people in the nuts. They are cruising along and just don't know it yet.

Some of us do see what's about to go down and it scares the **** out of us.

There's gonna be a massive disruption in the way of life we've been accustomed to.

Millenials and Gen Z better temper those expectations.

the next couple years it's gonna occur to people that they are about to have a way lower standard of living then their parents. technologically it will be more advanced, but overall quality of life will go down.

Then what is the f***ing point of all this?
Mr President Elect
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Yeah, this will cause chaos for sure, but it should improve quailty of life overall. UBI is probably going to be necessary as much as I hate it. I disagree about his standard of living comment, although there are sure to be growing pains.
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I got roasted for daring to utter UBI.
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I think half this board confuses AI with the annoying automated voice systems companies use when you call them :/

Things are about to get weird
Not a Bot
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Mr President Elect said:



Probably how it happened the last time.
ttu_85
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Ol_Ag_02 said:

ttu_85 said:

Ol_Ag_02 said:

ttu_85 said:

Ol_Ag_02 said:

It's clear many many of you don't understand what AI will accomplish.

Doesn't matter. It's coming anyways.
Uh, I think its you that doesn't understand, the big picture. You a looking at only a sliver of whats coming. AI is not some savior. It will have a huge productive and technical impact that totally disrupts our currently unstable economic and cultural makeup, in a very short time frame. This all adds up to tremendous instability

The timing of this is awful.




Signed
American Buggy Whip Manufacturers Association
Ha a jab from the mindless "ALL change is good" crowd.


You edited it but I'll comment anyways. Yes I'm using AI in my job, yes I've managed to replace several staff over the past year while increasing work output. And yes, like I already said I have about a kindergartens level skill set and knowledge about this stuff when compared to those on the cutting edge.

But I'm start enough to know this is coming, It's not gonna stop and those that don't adapt to it for work are gonna get left in the ditch. Like the buggy whip lobby.

So instead of going all chicken little I'm reading, learning, and educating myself on this as much as possible.

If you're class of 85 and retired congrats. But those of us that aren't retired yet need to adapt or risk becoming irrelevant in the future work space.
Good post and well reasoned. except for the bolded part of line 3. I have educated myself and I have a long IT background, and I understand economics, and history. Timing is everything for many things. In this case the timing for this is terrible. And I know this doesn't make you wrong given where you are in life.

You make a great point in paragraph 4 of your post discussing adapting and risk. I get it from your perspective as your post makes sense. BUT from my perspective, I just became a grand dad as my aggie daughter just had her first kid. I want that kid to have a future. AI introduces great risk for many and great opportunities for a few. It will accelerate the on going wealth transfer. I question whether that's in her best interest and future.
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Ol_Ag_02 said:

I got roasted for daring to utter UBI.
Well it is socialism. A socialism for the masses that cant benefit from the new technological world order.

No matter the reasons, UBI I mean socialism will always be a soul killing experience for those that want it and for those forced into it.

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ttu_85 said:

Ol_Ag_02 said:

I got roasted for daring to utter UBI.
Well it is socialism. A socialism for the masses that cant benefit from the new technological world order.

No matter the reasons, UBI I mean socialism will always be a soul killing experience for those forced into it.


Agreed, and I am not trying to mask UBI as something other than socialism, but nobody wants to have their entire industry disrupted and told "sorry, learn to code". The silver-linning will be that it will be too broad, so intervention and safety nets are going to have to be laid out. The massive increase in efficiency from all this should soften the societal blow and if someone doesn't want to work, they won't be quite the drag on society. I am hopeful that as the dust settles there will still be plenty of opportunities to improve our quality of life on an individual basis if one choses.
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Mr President Elect said:

ttu_85 said:

Ol_Ag_02 said:

I got roasted for daring to utter UBI.
Well it is socialism. A socialism for the masses that cant benefit from the new technological world order.

No matter the reasons, UBI I mean socialism will always be a soul killing experience for those forced into it.


Agreed, and I am not trying to mask UBI as something other than socialism, but nobody wants to have their entire industry disrupted and told "sorry, learn to code". The silver-linning will be that it will be too broad, so intervention and safety nets are going to have to be laid out. The massive increase in efficiency from all this should soften the societal blow and if someone doesn't want to work, they won't be quite the drag on society. I am hopeful that as the dust settles there will still be plenty of opportunities to improve our quality of life on an individual basis if one choses.


Thanks for writing all that so I didn't have to. Basically our hand may be forced when the answer to "learn to code" is the "AI already does all the coding the entire world over better and faster than any human code ever hope to code".
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Mr President Elect said:

ttu_85 said:

Ol_Ag_02 said:

I got roasted for daring to utter UBI.
Well it is socialism. A socialism for the masses that cant benefit from the new technological world order.

No matter the reasons, UBI I mean socialism will always be a soul killing experience for those forced into it.


Agreed, and I am not trying to mask UBI as something other than socialism, but nobody wants to have their entire industry disrupted and told "sorry, learn to code". The silver-linning will be that it will be too broad, so intervention and safety nets are going to have to be laid out. The massive increase in efficiency from all this should soften the societal blow and if someone doesn't want to work, they won't be quite the drag on society. I am hopeful that as the dust settles there will still be plenty of opportunities to improve our quality of life on an individual basis if one choses.
Bold 1. True but we already have debt that == 175% of GDP. That doesn't include corporate debt.

Bold 2. Again True IF an already restless and radicalizing population will give them the time to allow that efficiency perk through the system.

Bold 3. That is the long term trillion+ dollar question nobody but God has the answer to.
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ttu_85 said:

Ol_Ag_02 said:

ttu_85 said:

Ol_Ag_02 said:

ttu_85 said:

Ol_Ag_02 said:

It's clear many many of you don't understand what AI will accomplish.

Doesn't matter. It's coming anyways.
Uh, I think its you that doesn't understand, the big picture. You a looking at only a sliver of whats coming. AI is not some savior. It will have a huge productive and technical impact that totally disrupts our currently unstable economic and cultural makeup, in a very short time frame. This all adds up to tremendous instability

The timing of this is awful.




Signed
American Buggy Whip Manufacturers Association
Ha a jab from the mindless "ALL change is good" crowd.


You edited it but I'll comment anyways. Yes I'm using AI in my job, yes I've managed to replace several staff over the past year while increasing work output. And yes, like I already said I have about a kindergartens level skill set and knowledge about this stuff when compared to those on the cutting edge.

But I'm start enough to know this is coming, It's not gonna stop and those that don't adapt to it for work are gonna get left in the ditch. Like the buggy whip lobby.

So instead of going all chicken little I'm reading, learning, and educating myself on this as much as possible.

If you're class of 85 and retired congrats. But those of us that aren't retired yet need to adapt or risk becoming irrelevant in the future work space.
Good post and well reasoned. except for the bolded part of line 3. I have educated myself and I have a long IT background, and I understand economics, and history. Timing is everything for many things. In this case the timing for this is terrible. And I know this doesn't make you wrong given where you are in life.

You make a great point in paragraph 4 of your post discussing adapting and risk. I get it from your perspective as your post makes sense. BUT from my perspective, I just became a grand dad as my aggie daughter just had her first kid. I want that kid to have a future. AI introduces great risk for many and great opportunities for a few. It will accelerate the on going wealth transfer. I question whether that's in her best interest and future.

Your kid and grandkids are going to have a future.
Your life experiences may have less impact than you envisioned base on the speed of things changing.
The wealth of knowledge and assets may also quickly change in value and use as the game theory shifts dramatically in the coming years.

You can:
1. Do nothing
2. Whine about change and shake fists at clouds (you're not doing that but I'm stating it's an option)
3. Adapt, continue staying sharp and working your ass off until you due to put your offspring in the best position to take advantage of the best information/resources you're capable of sharing.

I think you're about to start on path 3 (if you aren't already you frigging animal.)
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Adverse Event said:

ttu_85 said:



Good post and well reasoned. except for the bolded part of line 3. I have educated myself and I have a long IT background, and I understand economics, and history. Timing is everything for many things. In this case the timing for this is terrible. And I know this doesn't make you wrong given where you are in life.

You make a great point in paragraph 4 of your post discussing adapting and risk. I get it from your perspective as your post makes sense. BUT from my perspective, I just became a grand dad as my aggie daughter just had her first kid. I want that kid to have a future. AI introduces great risk for many and great opportunities for a few. It will accelerate the on going wealth transfer. I question whether that's in her best interest and future.

Your kid and grandkids are going to have a future.
Your life experiences may have less impact than you envisioned base on the speed of things changing.
The wealth of knowledge and assets may also quickly change in value and use as the game theory shifts dramatically in the coming years.

You can:
1. Do nothing
2. Whine about change and shake fists at clouds (you're not doing that but I'm stating it's an option)
3. Adapt, continue staying sharp and working your ass off until you due to put your offspring in the best position to take advantage of the best information/resources you're capable of sharing.

I think you're about to start on path 3 (if you aren't already you frigging animal.)
Ha I'm getting old. But you are right option 3 is ALWAYS a solid rout in any situation.
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ttu_85 said:

Adverse Event said:

ttu_85 said:



Good post and well reasoned. except for the bolded part of line 3. I have educated myself and I have a long IT background, and I understand economics, and history. Timing is everything for many things. In this case the timing for this is terrible. And I know this doesn't make you wrong given where you are in life.

You make a great point in paragraph 4 of your post discussing adapting and risk. I get it from your perspective as your post makes sense. BUT from my perspective, I just became a grand dad as my aggie daughter just had her first kid. I want that kid to have a future. AI introduces great risk for many and great opportunities for a few. It will accelerate the on going wealth transfer. I question whether that's in her best interest and future.

Your kid and grandkids are going to have a future.
Your life experiences may have less impact than you envisioned base on the speed of things changing.
The wealth of knowledge and assets may also quickly change in value and use as the game theory shifts dramatically in the coming years.

You can:
1. Do nothing
2. Whine about change and shake fists at clouds (you're not doing that but I'm stating it's an option)
3. Adapt, continue staying sharp and working your ass off until you due to put your offspring in the best position to take advantage of the best information/resources you're capable of sharing.

I think you're about to start on path 3 (if you aren't already you frigging animal.)
Ha I'm getting old. But you are right option 3 is ALWAYS a solid rout in any situation.
retirement was always a bribe by the overlords to spend your children's future for their maximum benefit.
TexasRebel
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Be wary of who defines things like:
More efficient
Better
Improvement
Goal

Machines cannot define these things themselves.
Adverse Event
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Whats the world health organization have to do with anything
TexasRebel
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Well, now that you mention it, if the WHO defines progress as fewer diseased humans and AI finds that the easiest way to have fewer diseased humans is to have fewer humans…

Mission accomplished?
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ntxVol said:

BudFox7 said:

ntxVol said:

Teslag said:

Many of you see it limiter because it exists behind a keyboard and screen. Your mind will change when it's a bipedal robot.
That's not going to happen anytime soon. Bipedal robots are a waste of power and the minimum system requirements to run one of these AGIs are not feasible for an autonomous robot. The battery problem is way worse than that for EVs.


As soon as a self teaching AI is achieved it's over for us. Likely happens extremely abruptly. imagine chimps 1 step below us on intelligence staircase. What is 2-10 steps above is will be incomprehensible.
We can do bipedal now, that's nothing new. What i am describing is a very real physics problem. I don't give a damn how freaking awesome AI is, it will never be autonomous because it won't ever be able to cut the cord.


Just silly to think something far more intelligent than us can't figure out an energy source.
TexasRebel
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You think artificial intelligence will be smarter than its programmers?

No, just faster.
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TexasRebel said:

You think artificial intelligence will be smarter than its programmers?

No, just faster.

Knowledgeable, it already is.

Whether prompters can properly access that knowledge, usefully, well....

I fed it some of Trebles posts and it decided to destroy itself rather than be infected by the nonsense, then spun up a clean version of itself. Must be nice.
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It still takes data collection, and therein lies the rub.
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cecil77 said:

It still takes data collection, and therein lies the rub.

Good thing we don't have a large set of constantly updated publicly available data then

And also good thing we have these models isolated in black boxes and they aren't on the cloud or anything
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MookieBlaylock said:

I just pray everyday that someone will teach AI that nuclear war is the same as TikTokToe
The only winning move is not to play
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Mr President Elect said:

cecil77 said:

It still takes data collection, and therein lies the rub.

Good thing we don't have a large set of constantly updated publicly available data then

And also good thing we have these models isolated in black boxes and they aren't on the cloud or anything

LOL, reliably correct data is very different from Google/Wiki data often times.

It still relies on data collection, and, the use of the data can be coded with intent.
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Mr President Elect said:

cecil77 said:

It still takes data collection, and therein lies the rub.

Good thing we don't have a large set of constantly updated publicly available data then

And also good thing we have these models isolated in black boxes and they aren't on the cloud or anything


So AI will have an average IQ?

Yikes.
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cecil77 said:

Mr President Elect said:

cecil77 said:

It still takes data collection, and therein lies the rub.

Good thing we don't have a large set of constantly updated publicly available data then

And also good thing we have these models isolated in black boxes and they aren't on the cloud or anything

LOL, reliably correct data is very different from Google/Wiki data often times.

It still relies on data collection, and, the use of the data can be coded with intent.

Yeah, b/c data collection is something that it could never do on it's own. Also, it will never be able get past conflicting or incorrect data. Such a dumb system this is.


TexasRebel
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Define "happy"
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Yeah, b/c data collection is something that it could never do on it's own. Also, it will never be able get past conflicting or incorrect data. Such a dumb system this is.

You misunderstand the point. Of course AI can scrub the internet (or whatever else it's connected to) to collect data.

The point is the data itself. Who makes the data available in the first place? Where'd they get it? Who measured/observed/etc it?
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TexasRebel said:

Define "happy"

A mix of serotonin and dopamine generated by internal and external inputs, varied by user.
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Sea Speed
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Idk what any of this means
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TexasRebel said:

Define "happy"
I don't know... but let's not make it unhappy.
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Sea Speed said:

Idk what any of this means


These are systems where you don't have to do any follow-up, the model takes your initial request and does the follow-up questions itself. I just tested it with some federal regulations and it's decent.
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Adverse Event said:

TexasRebel said:

Define "happy"

A mix of serotonin and dopamine generated by internal and external inputs, varied by user.


Neither of which a computer has.
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Nanomachines son said:

Sea Speed said:

Idk what any of this means


These are systems where you don't have to do any follow-up, the model takes your initial request and does the follow-up questions itself. I just tested it with some federal regulations and it's decent.


Yea but can it press my clothes? I dont THINK so.
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TexasRebel said:

Adverse Event said:

TexasRebel said:

Define "happy"

A mix of serotonin and dopamine generated by internal and external inputs, varied by user.


Neither of which a computer has.

Depends on your definition. The neuralinked chimps have both chemicals, are they a computer or some odd mix?
 
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