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Disney is a Ron Swanson conservative dream of American capitalism.

It's a for-profit company that used its free-market muscle to move out government interference and operate freely to create wealth for their shareholders while creating hundreds of thousands of jobs and economic impacts that have built entire cities - all by the power of private enterprise.

Now conservatives (well - at least one who happens to be the governor) - want to walk all that back and jam a government wrench into a privately-held business because....why? Woke or whatever? Who gives a ***** They can make whatever kind of movies they want. Don't like 'em. Don't watch 'em.

'Merica, man.

I wish conservatives would get back to being truly pro-business and drop this bizarre obsession with all things "woke". The former is hugely important to the country's future and the latter is meaningless bull*****

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Go educate yourself a little about the subject before you espouse your opinion. Hell, read my post above and the links therein. This has absolutely nothing to do with the the content of Disney's entertainment. It has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law. There's a huge difference. But maybe you know the facts and you're intentionally trying to mislead.

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You supported my position.

If, as you state, "this has nothing to do with the content of Disney's entertainment, [and] has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law," then Desantis' actions are not in good faith.

I believe your statement is absolutely true, but Desantis will deny that (unless he's a ****ing a moron), because if he were to admit that publicly, it would be an admission of abuse of power.

The sweetheart deal that Disney has and their stance on that proposed legislation are unrelated. Disney has every right to oppose any legislation they want to for any reason. The government has zero right to penalize a company for political opposition.

Not in this country. Not even in Florida.

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I'm not sure why this whole thing is so hard to comprehend.

1. Disney had a special deal. The only company in the state to have such an arrangement.
2. All was fine until Disney waded into a state wide policy issue (law) that had nothing to do with them.
3. The Republicans (including DeSantis) took their special deal away.
4. When Disney decided to try and outsmart the State, the State decided to play hardball.


A worse look for the State of Florida (IMHO) would be to allow Disney to get away with it.

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This.

and from will25u:

So the FL Legislators passed a bill to remove Ready Creek Improvement District of it BOS.

Then the old RCID board of supervisors tried to usurp the power of the state legislators by passing a last minute agreement to give Disney:

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Those agreements gave Disney wide-ranging powers over the territory where the theme parks operate and prohibit the new board members from changing the terms.

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Jeepers, here's what's relevant to you:

In passing that last minute agreement to transfer its powers to Disney, the outgoing board members relied on a British legal clause from the 1600s that has questionable legal validity in the US.

And as such, DeSantis and the Florida Legislature are obligated to challenge this Hail Mary ploy. If they don't, it would be admitting defeat to a very questionable legal gambit, and my guess is you'd be on this board railing against DeSantis for being so weak.

So, either man up and admit you're wrong in this instance, man up and admit you were never going to vote for DeSantis, Trump, or any Republican at all, or, simply woos up and slink off back into the shadows.

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You already know which route he/she/it will take.

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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TxAgswin said:

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Disney is a Ron Swanson conservative dream of American capitalism.

It's a for-profit company that used its free-market muscle to move out government interference and operate freely to create wealth for their shareholders while creating hundreds of thousands of jobs and economic impacts that have built entire cities - all by the power of private enterprise.

Now conservatives (well - at least one who happens to be the governor) - want to walk all that back and jam a government wrench into a privately-held business because....why? Woke or whatever? Who gives a ***** They can make whatever kind of movies they want. Don't like 'em. Don't watch 'em.

'Merica, man.

I wish conservatives would get back to being truly pro-business and drop this bizarre obsession with all things "woke". The former is hugely important to the country's future and the latter is meaningless bull*****

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Go educate yourself a little about the subject before you espouse your opinion. Hell, read my post above and the links therein. This has absolutely nothing to do with the the content of Disney's entertainment. It has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law. There's a huge difference. But maybe you know the facts and you're intentionally trying to mislead.

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You supported my position.

If, as you state, "this has nothing to do with the content of Disney's entertainment, [and] has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law," then Desantis' actions are not in good faith.

I believe your statement is absolutely true, but Desantis will deny that (unless he's a ****ing a moron), because if he were to admit that publicly, it would be an admission of abuse of power.

The sweetheart deal that Disney has and their stance on that proposed legislation are unrelated. Disney has every right to oppose any legislation they want to for any reason. The government has zero right to penalize a company for political opposition.

Not in this country. Not even in Florida.

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And again, if Disney decides it wants to wade into politics to change Florida law then the state has every right to revoke the sweetheart deal it made with Disney once upon a time. Or do you think that Disney's right to govern itself completely without any oversight by any agency is built into the FL Constitution, or maybe a God-given right?

TxAgswin said:

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Disney is a Ron Swanson conservative dream of American capitalism.

It's a for-profit company that used its free-market muscle to move out government interference and operate freely to create wealth for their shareholders while creating hundreds of thousands of jobs and economic impacts that have built entire cities - all by the power of private enterprise.

Now conservatives (well - at least one who happens to be the governor) - want to walk all that back and jam a government wrench into a privately-held business because....why? Woke or whatever? Who gives a ***** They can make whatever kind of movies they want. Don't like 'em. Don't watch 'em.

'Merica, man.

I wish conservatives would get back to being truly pro-business and drop this bizarre obsession with all things "woke". The former is hugely important to the country's future and the latter is meaningless bull*****

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Go educate yourself a little about the subject before you espouse your opinion. Hell, read my post above and the links therein. This has absolutely nothing to do with the the content of Disney's entertainment. It has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law. There's a huge difference. But maybe you know the facts and you're intentionally trying to mislead.

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You supported my position.

If, as you state, "this has nothing to do with the content of Disney's entertainment, [and] has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law," then Desantis' actions are not in good faith.

I believe your statement is absolutely true, but Desantis will deny that (unless he's a ****ing a moron), because if he were to admit that publicly, it would be an admission of abuse of power.

The sweetheart deal that Disney has and their stance on that proposed legislation are unrelated. Disney has every right to oppose any legislation they want to for any reason. The government has zero right to penalize a company for political opposition.

Not in this country. Not even in Florida.

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Lol, no. The concept that the government has to be subservient to corporations and cannot penalize them is beyond laughable and incredibly naive. Businesses operate based on rules put in place by the government from how they organize to how they employ people to how they conduct their business to how they pay their taxes and beyond. Corporations aren't protected by the Bill of Rights and they have no special protections like people do. Governments can choose to regulate them as they choose. They can offer incentives or disincentives as they choose. By your logic you would put Corporations as literally having more rights than governments OR the people that elect them.

Governments ARE accountable to the people though. If the people don't like what they are doing they can be voted out and the laws can be changed. In this case DeSantis made his move and then he won in a landslide. He passed a bill and pursued his options through perfectly legal and morally legal means because the people supported him.

So to summarize this is how rights work in the US:

People
Government
Corporations

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It's only "too aggressive" when a conservative does it. The democrats do this all day long and no one seems to care.

Sorry, OP. I would love to live in the world you think exists, but the fact of the matter is that the leftists have never once failed to use their majorities to push an agenda. That can not be defeated with pacifism. The only solution is pushing back when and where we can

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I'll start by pointing out that I've voted R my whole life except for once. And I do get out and vote.

But to say the Dems do this is a twist on the truth. They attack political rivals but they don't attack private companies. They may voice opinions, but I haven't seen them leveling policy against targeted private companies to score political points in a culture war.

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Blue diamond of LOLFail.

This is their bread and butter tactic

Wow. Wake the **** up. Seriously.

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He's so amusing when he posts stuff like that.

Then you look at his posting history and, as you can see just in THAT post, he defends the Dems...and then he ONLY criticizes Republicans...

Kinda odd for a "Republican" to only put down Republicans and praise Democrats...

It's almost as if the claim of being a "Republican" isn't true...

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TxAgswin said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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TxAgswin said:

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Disney is a Ron Swanson conservative dream of American capitalism.

It's a for-profit company that used its free-market muscle to move out government interference and operate freely to create wealth for their shareholders while creating hundreds of thousands of jobs and economic impacts that have built entire cities - all by the power of private enterprise.

Now conservatives (well - at least one who happens to be the governor) - want to walk all that back and jam a government wrench into a privately-held business because....why? Woke or whatever? Who gives a ***** They can make whatever kind of movies they want. Don't like 'em. Don't watch 'em.

'Merica, man.

I wish conservatives would get back to being truly pro-business and drop this bizarre obsession with all things "woke". The former is hugely important to the country's future and the latter is meaningless bull*****

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Go educate yourself a little about the subject before you espouse your opinion. Hell, read my post above and the links therein. This has absolutely nothing to do with the the content of Disney's entertainment. It has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law. There's a huge difference. But maybe you know the facts and you're intentionally trying to mislead.

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You supported my position.

If, as you state, "this has nothing to do with the content of Disney's entertainment, [and] has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law," then Desantis' actions are not in good faith.

I believe your statement is absolutely true, but Desantis will deny that (unless he's a ****ing a moron), because if he were to admit that publicly, it would be an admission of abuse of power.

The sweetheart deal that Disney has and their stance on that proposed legislation are unrelated. Disney has every right to oppose any legislation they want to for any reason. The government has zero right to penalize a company for political opposition.

Not in this country. Not even in Florida.

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And again, if Disney decides it wants to wade into politics to change Florida law then the state has every right to revoke the sweetheart deal it made with Disney once upon a time. Or do you think that Disney's right to govern itself completely without any oversight by any agency is built into the FL Constitution, or maybe a God-given right?

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He doesn't care anything about that. He cares that a Republican has done something so he is opposed to it.

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TxAgswin said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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TxAgswin said:

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Disney is a Ron Swanson conservative dream of American capitalism.

It's a for-profit company that used its free-market muscle to move out government interference and operate freely to create wealth for their shareholders while creating hundreds of thousands of jobs and economic impacts that have built entire cities - all by the power of private enterprise.

Now conservatives (well - at least one who happens to be the governor) - want to walk all that back and jam a government wrench into a privately-held business because....why? Woke or whatever? Who gives a ***** They can make whatever kind of movies they want. Don't like 'em. Don't watch 'em.

'Merica, man.

I wish conservatives would get back to being truly pro-business and drop this bizarre obsession with all things "woke". The former is hugely important to the country's future and the latter is meaningless bull*****

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Go educate yourself a little about the subject before you espouse your opinion. Hell, read my post above and the links therein. This has absolutely nothing to do with the the content of Disney's entertainment. It has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law. There's a huge difference. But maybe you know the facts and you're intentionally trying to mislead.

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You supported my position.

If, as you state, "this has nothing to do with the content of Disney's entertainment, [and] has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law," then Desantis' actions are not in good faith.

I believe your statement is absolutely true, but Desantis will deny that (unless he's a ****ing a moron), because if he were to admit that publicly, it would be an admission of abuse of power.

The sweetheart deal that Disney has and their stance on that proposed legislation are unrelated. Disney has every right to oppose any legislation they want to for any reason. The government has zero right to penalize a company for political opposition.

Not in this country. Not even in Florida.

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And again, if Disney decides it wants to wade into politics to change Florida law then the state has every right to revoke the sweetheart deal it made with Disney once upon a time. Or do you think that Disney's right to govern itself completely without any oversight by any agency is built into the FL Constitution, or maybe a God-given right?

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You are technically correct, I think.

I would imagine that whatever is on paper that allowed Disney to be its own little sovereign wonderland is not a one-page document and will likely require an army of lawyers to unpack.

That being said, my point is that if Desantis' motives for repealing Disney's magic kingdom protection bubble thingy is based on Disney's public stance on a bill that has nothing to do with the economic impacts of the deal between the state and Disney, then the governor is acting arbitrarily, and I would argue that is an abuse of power.

That's why Desantis wouldn't (or shouldn't) start mixing those two things together. If he does, he would be handing the Disney lawyers a gun in the middle of a knife fight.

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He doesn't care anything about that. He cares that a Republican has done something so he is opposed to it.

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I'm opposed to what this Republican did in this case.

If a Democrat were to do it, I would be opposed to it as well.

I actually lean right when it comes to regulation and limiting executive powers.

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He doesn't care anything about that. He cares that a Republican has done something so he is opposed to it.

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I'm opposed to what this Republican did in this case.

If a Democrat were to do it, I would be opposed to it as well.

I actually lean right when it comes to regulation and limiting executive powers.

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We believe you. We really do.

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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TxAgswin said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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TxAgswin said:

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Disney is a Ron Swanson conservative dream of American capitalism.

It's a for-profit company that used its free-market muscle to move out government interference and operate freely to create wealth for their shareholders while creating hundreds of thousands of jobs and economic impacts that have built entire cities - all by the power of private enterprise.

Now conservatives (well - at least one who happens to be the governor) - want to walk all that back and jam a government wrench into a privately-held business because....why? Woke or whatever? Who gives a ***** They can make whatever kind of movies they want. Don't like 'em. Don't watch 'em.

'Merica, man.

I wish conservatives would get back to being truly pro-business and drop this bizarre obsession with all things "woke". The former is hugely important to the country's future and the latter is meaningless bull*****

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Go educate yourself a little about the subject before you espouse your opinion. Hell, read my post above and the links therein. This has absolutely nothing to do with the the content of Disney's entertainment. It has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law. There's a huge difference. But maybe you know the facts and you're intentionally trying to mislead.

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You supported my position.

If, as you state, "this has nothing to do with the content of Disney's entertainment, [and] has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law," then Desantis' actions are not in good faith.

I believe your statement is absolutely true, but Desantis will deny that (unless he's a ****ing a moron), because if he were to admit that publicly, it would be an admission of abuse of power.

The sweetheart deal that Disney has and their stance on that proposed legislation are unrelated. Disney has every right to oppose any legislation they want to for any reason. The government has zero right to penalize a company for political opposition.

Not in this country. Not even in Florida.

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And again, if Disney decides it wants to wade into politics to change Florida law then the state has every right to revoke the sweetheart deal it made with Disney once upon a time. Or do you think that Disney's right to govern itself completely without any oversight by any agency is built into the FL Constitution, or maybe a God-given right?

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You are technically correct, I think.

I would imagine that whatever is on paper that allowed Disney to be its own little sovereign wonderland is not a one-page document and will likely require an army of lawyers to unpack.

That being said, my point is that if Desantis' motives for repealing Disney's magic kingdom protection bubble thingy is based on Disney's public stance on a bill that has nothing to do with the economic impacts of the deal between the state and Disney, then the governor is acting arbitrarily, and I would argue that is an abuse of power.

That's why Desantis wouldn't (or shouldn't) start mixing those two things together. If he does, he would be handing the Disney lawyers a gun in the middle of a knife fight.

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You're trying to argue that it's two different "things".
It's not. It's one comprehensive "thing" called politics.

You're playing a game of semantics that's deceitful at its core. Disney decided it was going to become political and try to shape the laws that govern every citizen in the state of Florida. At that point it became the governor's duty to do everything he can to separate Disney from Florida politics and make sure that they are not acting above the law or above any other FL citizen or business.

That's all he's doing.

Threatening specific surcharges on Disney that don't apply to other businesses is capricious and not fair-handed way of running a government. But similarly, allowing Disney to arbitrarily have government power without having to pay a dime for government services is something that no other business in Florida gets to do. Why not just make a bill that treats Disney like every other Florida business and be done with it?

In other words, singling out businesses because you don't like their politics is political thuggery whether I like the politician doing it or not. Giving sweetheart deals to corporations that don't have to play by the same rules is political thuggery by the corporation. As citizens we shouldn't put up with either.

Yeah, yeah.

If the stance is that my opposition to Desantis' executive actions here is solely because he's a Republican, then I'll just flip a mirror on that. The only reason you support what he's doing is because he's a Republican.

Disney is in the private sector and represents capitalism. DeSantis is in the public sector and represents government regulation.

Objectively speaking, in this case, I am on the conservative side of this discussion.

TxAgswin said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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TxAgswin said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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TxAgswin said:

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Disney is a Ron Swanson conservative dream of American capitalism.

It's a for-profit company that used its free-market muscle to move out government interference and operate freely to create wealth for their shareholders while creating hundreds of thousands of jobs and economic impacts that have built entire cities - all by the power of private enterprise.

Now conservatives (well - at least one who happens to be the governor) - want to walk all that back and jam a government wrench into a privately-held business because....why? Woke or whatever? Who gives a ***** They can make whatever kind of movies they want. Don't like 'em. Don't watch 'em.

'Merica, man.

I wish conservatives would get back to being truly pro-business and drop this bizarre obsession with all things "woke". The former is hugely important to the country's future and the latter is meaningless bull*****

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Go educate yourself a little about the subject before you espouse your opinion. Hell, read my post above and the links therein. This has absolutely nothing to do with the the content of Disney's entertainment. It has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law. There's a huge difference. But maybe you know the facts and you're intentionally trying to mislead.

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You supported my position.

If, as you state, "this has nothing to do with the content of Disney's entertainment, [and] has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law," then Desantis' actions are not in good faith.

I believe your statement is absolutely true, but Desantis will deny that (unless he's a ****ing a moron), because if he were to admit that publicly, it would be an admission of abuse of power.

The sweetheart deal that Disney has and their stance on that proposed legislation are unrelated. Disney has every right to oppose any legislation they want to for any reason. The government has zero right to penalize a company for political opposition.

Not in this country. Not even in Florida.

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And again, if Disney decides it wants to wade into politics to change Florida law then the state has every right to revoke the sweetheart deal it made with Disney once upon a time. Or do you think that Disney's right to govern itself completely without any oversight by any agency is built into the FL Constitution, or maybe a God-given right?

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You are technically correct, I think.

I would imagine that whatever is on paper that allowed Disney to be its own little sovereign wonderland is not a one-page document and will likely require an army of lawyers to unpack.

That being said, my point is that if Desantis' motives for repealing Disney's magic kingdom protection bubble thingy is based on Disney's public stance on a bill that has nothing to do with the economic impacts of the deal between the state and Disney, then the governor is acting arbitrarily, and I would argue that is an abuse of power.

That's why Desantis wouldn't (or shouldn't) start mixing those two things together. If he does, he would be handing the Disney lawyers a gun in the middle of a knife fight.

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It's not abuse of power to get the Legislature to pass a law even if you don't like why he is getting the law passed. DeSantis is EXTREMELY careful to run a tight ship and play by the rules, He is a Harvard Lawyer who got there purely on merit. He has every right to have the AG and IG look into the legality of what Disney is doing to get around the law.

When you are abusing power you don't go through legal means and get the Legislature to support you after a vote by the people.

FL_Ag1998 said:

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TxAgswin said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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TxAgswin said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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TxAgswin said:

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Disney is a Ron Swanson conservative dream of American capitalism.

It's a for-profit company that used its free-market muscle to move out government interference and operate freely to create wealth for their shareholders while creating hundreds of thousands of jobs and economic impacts that have built entire cities - all by the power of private enterprise.

Now conservatives (well - at least one who happens to be the governor) - want to walk all that back and jam a government wrench into a privately-held business because....why? Woke or whatever? Who gives a ***** They can make whatever kind of movies they want. Don't like 'em. Don't watch 'em.

'Merica, man.

I wish conservatives would get back to being truly pro-business and drop this bizarre obsession with all things "woke". The former is hugely important to the country's future and the latter is meaningless bull*****

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Go educate yourself a little about the subject before you espouse your opinion. Hell, read my post above and the links therein. This has absolutely nothing to do with the the content of Disney's entertainment. It has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law. There's a huge difference. But maybe you know the facts and you're intentionally trying to mislead.

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You supported my position.

If, as you state, "this has nothing to do with the content of Disney's entertainment, [and] has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law," then Desantis' actions are not in good faith.

I believe your statement is absolutely true, but Desantis will deny that (unless he's a ****ing a moron), because if he were to admit that publicly, it would be an admission of abuse of power.

The sweetheart deal that Disney has and their stance on that proposed legislation are unrelated. Disney has every right to oppose any legislation they want to for any reason. The government has zero right to penalize a company for political opposition.

Not in this country. Not even in Florida.

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And again, if Disney decides it wants to wade into politics to change Florida law then the state has every right to revoke the sweetheart deal it made with Disney once upon a time. Or do you think that Disney's right to govern itself completely without any oversight by any agency is built into the FL Constitution, or maybe a God-given right?

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You are technically correct, I think.

I would imagine that whatever is on paper that allowed Disney to be its own little sovereign wonderland is not a one-page document and will likely require an army of lawyers to unpack.

That being said, my point is that if Desantis' motives for repealing Disney's magic kingdom protection bubble thingy is based on Disney's public stance on a bill that has nothing to do with the economic impacts of the deal between the state and Disney, then the governor is acting arbitrarily, and I would argue that is an abuse of power.

That's why Desantis wouldn't (or shouldn't) start mixing those two things together. If he does, he would be handing the Disney lawyers a gun in the middle of a knife fight.

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You're trying to argue that it's two different "things".
It's not. It's one comprehensive "thing" called politics.

You're playing a game of semantics that's deceitful at its core. Disney decided it was going to become political and try to shape the laws that govern every citizen in the state of Florida. At that point it became the governor's duty to do everything he can to separate Disney from Florida politics and make sure that they are not acting above the law or above any other FL citizen or business.

That's all he's doing.

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What you just laid out there is textbook tyranny.

A private enterprise became political, so it became the government's DUTY to separate them from politics? Why? To silence them and let the government lead as only the government can lead and those who oppose the government shall be silenced? For the good of the people?

TxAgswin said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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TxAgswin said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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TxAgswin said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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TxAgswin said:

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Disney is a Ron Swanson conservative dream of American capitalism.

It's a for-profit company that used its free-market muscle to move out government interference and operate freely to create wealth for their shareholders while creating hundreds of thousands of jobs and economic impacts that have built entire cities - all by the power of private enterprise.

Now conservatives (well - at least one who happens to be the governor) - want to walk all that back and jam a government wrench into a privately-held business because....why? Woke or whatever? Who gives a ***** They can make whatever kind of movies they want. Don't like 'em. Don't watch 'em.

'Merica, man.

I wish conservatives would get back to being truly pro-business and drop this bizarre obsession with all things "woke". The former is hugely important to the country's future and the latter is meaningless bull*****

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Go educate yourself a little about the subject before you espouse your opinion. Hell, read my post above and the links therein. This has absolutely nothing to do with the the content of Disney's entertainment. It has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law. There's a huge difference. But maybe you know the facts and you're intentionally trying to mislead.

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You supported my position.

If, as you state, "this has nothing to do with the content of Disney's entertainment, [and] has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law," then Desantis' actions are not in good faith.

I believe your statement is absolutely true, but Desantis will deny that (unless he's a ****ing a moron), because if he were to admit that publicly, it would be an admission of abuse of power.

The sweetheart deal that Disney has and their stance on that proposed legislation are unrelated. Disney has every right to oppose any legislation they want to for any reason. The government has zero right to penalize a company for political opposition.

Not in this country. Not even in Florida.

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And again, if Disney decides it wants to wade into politics to change Florida law then the state has every right to revoke the sweetheart deal it made with Disney once upon a time. Or do you think that Disney's right to govern itself completely without any oversight by any agency is built into the FL Constitution, or maybe a God-given right?

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You are technically correct, I think.

I would imagine that whatever is on paper that allowed Disney to be its own little sovereign wonderland is not a one-page document and will likely require an army of lawyers to unpack.

That being said, my point is that if Desantis' motives for repealing Disney's magic kingdom protection bubble thingy is based on Disney's public stance on a bill that has nothing to do with the economic impacts of the deal between the state and Disney, then the governor is acting arbitrarily, and I would argue that is an abuse of power.

That's why Desantis wouldn't (or shouldn't) start mixing those two things together. If he does, he would be handing the Disney lawyers a gun in the middle of a knife fight.

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You're trying to argue that it's two different "things".
It's not. It's one comprehensive "thing" called politics.

You're playing a game of semantics that's deceitful at its core. Disney decided it was going to become political and try to shape the laws that govern every citizen in the state of Florida. At that point it became the governor's duty to do everything he can to separate Disney from Florida politics and make sure that they are not acting above the law or above any other FL citizen or business.

That's all he's doing.

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What you just laid out there is textbook tyranny.

A private enterprise became political, so it became the government's DUTY to separate them from politics? Why? To silence them and let the government lead as only the government can lead and those who oppose the government shall be silenced? For the good of the people?

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Lol. It's tyranny to attack Disney, let the voters decide to re-elect you or not, then to pass a bill using the Legislature to accomplish what you intended? You need to read up on the definition of tyranny.

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Living in the Orlando area, I'm getting a great laugh at all the left-leaners who used to be opposed to the fact that Disney, a gigantic corporation, got a sweetheart deal that gave them exceptional self-governing powers. The RCID board existed to basically rubber-stamp whatever projects WDW wanted to do.

Now that the evil Republicans have taken that away, these same left-leaners have their Mickey panties all in a bunch about Disney losing the same special privileges they used to gripe about.

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Why can't it be both? I am against the government handing out sweetheart deals to big businesses at the expense of small businesses, and I am against the government punishing businesses it doesn't like by singling them out with unique taxes. Arbitrary favoritism and arbitrary punishment both have no place in government. We should just have equality under the law.

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It's not abuse of power to get the Legislature to pass a law even if you don't like why he is getting the law passed. DeSantis is EXTREMELY careful to run a tight ship and play by the rules, He is a Harvard Lawyer who got there purely on merit. He has every right to have the AG and IG look into the legality of what Disney is doing to get around the law.

When you are abusing power you don't go through legal means and get the Legislature to support you after a vote by the people.

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Yeah, we're pretty much saying the same thing.

He's definitely threading the needle here. HIs motives for all this are abundantly clear, but he certainly doesn't want to state those motives publicly. He will smartly state publicly that the actions are long overdue and that it's a fiscal move that will benefit the state's bottom line and good for Florida in the long run.

And that's total bull**** and everyone knows it. Even conservatives know that's bull***** They are here, on this board, stating that the reason he is doing this is for political payback and to teach Disney a lesson to not get in his way.

There is no doubt that he is doing this for the national stage to keep up in the arms race to be the craziest presidential candidate in Florida.

One thing is for sure, his ambitions are no longer at the state level. A Florida governor hopping in the mud with Disney doesn't plan on sticking around.

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It's not abuse of power to get the Legislature to pass a law even if you don't like why he is getting the law passed. DeSantis is EXTREMELY careful to run a tight ship and play by the rules, He is a Harvard Lawyer who got there purely on merit. He has every right to have the AG and IG look into the legality of what Disney is doing to get around the law.

When you are abusing power you don't go through legal means and get the Legislature to support you after a vote by the people.

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Yeah, we're pretty much saying the same thing.

He's definitely threading the needle here. HIs motives for all this are abundantly clear, but he certainly doesn't want to state those motives publicly. He will smartly state publicly that the actions are long overdue and that it's a fiscal move that will benefit the state's bottom line and good for Florida in the long run.

And that's total bull**** and everyone knows it. Even conservatives know that's bull***** They are here, on this board, stating that the reason he is doing this is for political payback and to teach Disney a lesson to not get in his way.

There is no doubt that he is doing this for the national stage to keep up in the arms race to be the craziest presidential candidate in Florida.

One thing is for sure, his ambitions are no longer at the state level. A Florida governor hopping in the mud with Disney doesn't plan on sticking around.

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No, he has been transparent the entire time about why. He certainly hasn't talked about it being a fiscal move or about the money. You just don't understand the law or politics very well or don't like that he is using his power just as Democrat Governor's use theirs to punish companies that get sideways of them politically. Motivation for why you make a law is irrelevant unless he is taking a bribe or something of the like, that isn't the case here.

If you are boxing and your opponent is going by MMA rules you will lose if MMA rules are legal. Sorry if that makes you clutch your pearls.

He's just pissed DeSantis played by the books and got the legislature to pass a law as opposed to the typical dems breaking the law by legislating via EO's.

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He's just pissed DeSantis played by the books and got the legislature to pass a law as opposed to the typical dems breaking the law by legislating via EO's.

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Exactly. It's not like all bills have to be passed because of some noble reason for the people that relates to money and that's fundamentally what he is saying. DeSantis is just very, very good at this and knows how to play.

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It's only "too aggressive" when a conservative does it. The democrats do this all day long and no one seems to care.

Sorry, OP. I would love to live in the world you think exists, but the fact of the matter is that the leftists have never once failed to use their majorities to push an agenda. That can not be defeated with pacifism. The only solution is pushing back when and where we can

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I'll start by pointing out that I've voted R my whole life except for once. And I do get out and vote.

But to say the Dems do this is a twist on the truth. They attack political rivals but they don't attack private companies. They may voice opinions, but I haven't seen them leveling policy against targeted private companies to score political points in a culture war.

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Blue diamond of LOLFail.

This is their bread and butter tactic

Wow. Wake the **** up. Seriously.

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He's so amusing when he posts stuff like that.

Then you look at his posting history and, as you can see just in THAT post, he defends the Dems...and then he ONLY criticizes Republicans...

Kinda odd for a "Republican" to only put down Republicans and praise Democrats...

It's almost as if the claim of being a "Republican" isn't true...

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I don't care whether you believe me or not. It's as true as true can be. If we talked more about the economy and less about culture wars, you'd see me agreeing a lot more.

Have you ever stopped and ask why is it your social morals side with a party that is economically destructive. Is that maybe a sign your morals suck?

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Desantis - Maybe Disney should have to play by the same rules as other companies in the same county.

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Hes talking about new taxes and toll roads because his last attempt wasn't terribly successful. It's not about playing by the same rules. It's about punishing a private company for speaking up.

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You are right. I was shooting from the hip on this one. Should have looked it up - (learned some stuff when I did)

It's interesting and it's not super black and white -- but it looks like the courts can't overrule the legislature solely on the motivations behind the statute (it gets murkier on executive orders), but can take it into consideration on whether or not to hear it. But after that, the law stands on its own two feet and the court is then obligated to do a complete 180 and completely disregard any legislative motivation, which actually makes sense.

It's been challenged a **** ton, but the concept of separating a law from whatever inspired it has always been upheld.

So, this is actually perfect for Desantis. There's certainly nothing unconstitutional about clawing back a bunch of favors, so he was pretty clever in picking this fight and I stand corrected.

I don't think it's the right thing to do and I think it's ridiculous for a Florida governor to be in a pissing match with Mickey Mouse over irrelevant bull****, but he has every right to do it.

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Have you ever stopped and ask why is it your social morals side with a party that is economically destructive. Is that maybe a sign your morals suck?

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You think there is a positive correlation between morality and economics?

Do you even Bible, bro?

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Have you ever stopped and ask why is it your social morals side with a party that is economically destructive. Is that maybe a sign your morals suck?

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You think there is a positive correlation between morality and economics?

Do you even Bible, bro?

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Yes....its called the Torah.

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Disney is a Ron Swanson conservative dream of American capitalism.

It's a for-profit company that used its free-market muscle to move out government interference and operate freely to create wealth for their shareholders while creating hundreds of thousands of jobs and economic impacts that have built entire cities - all by the power of private enterprise.

Now conservatives (well - at least one who happens to be the governor) - want to walk all that back and jam a government wrench into a privately-held business because....why? Woke or whatever? Who gives a ***** They can make whatever kind of movies they want. Don't like 'em. Don't watch 'em.

'Merica, man.

I wish conservatives would get back to being truly pro-business and drop this bizarre obsession with all things "woke". The former is hugely important to the country's future and the latter is meaningless bull*****

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Disney is a Ron Swanson conservative dream of American capitalism.

It's a for-profit company that used its free-market muscle to move out government interference and operate freely to create wealth for their shareholders while creating hundreds of thousands of jobs and economic impacts that have built entire cities - all by the power of private enterprise.

Now conservatives (well - at least one who happens to be the governor) - want to walk all that back and jam a government wrench into a privately-held business because....why? Woke or whatever? Who gives a ***** They can make whatever kind of movies they want. Don't like 'em. Don't watch 'em.

'Merica, man.

I wish conservatives would get back to being truly pro-business and drop this bizarre obsession with all things "woke". The former is hugely important to the country's future and the latter is meaningless bull*****

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Go educate yourself a little about the subject before you espouse your opinion. Hell, read my post above and the links therein. This has absolutely nothing to do with the the content of Disney's entertainment. It has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law. There's a huge difference. But maybe you know the facts and you're intentionally trying to mislead.

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You supported my position.

If, as you state, "this has nothing to do with the content of Disney's entertainment, [and] has to do with Disney actively working to repeal a state law," then Desantis' actions are not in good faith.

I believe your statement is absolutely true, but Desantis will deny that (unless he's a ****ing a moron), because if he were to admit that publicly, it would be an admission of abuse of power.

The sweetheart deal that Disney has and their stance on that proposed legislation are unrelated. Disney has every right to oppose any legislation they want to for any reason. The government has zero right to penalize a company for political opposition.

Not in this country. Not even in Florida.

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And again, if Disney decides it wants to wade into politics to change Florida law then the state has every right to revoke the sweetheart deal it made with Disney once upon a time. Or do you think that Disney's right to govern itself completely without any oversight by any agency is built into the FL Constitution, or maybe a God-given right?

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You are technically correct, I think.

I would imagine that whatever is on paper that allowed Disney to be its own little sovereign wonderland is not a one-page document and will likely require an army of lawyers to unpack.

That being said, my point is that if Desantis' motives for repealing Disney's magic kingdom protection bubble thingy is based on Disney's public stance on a bill that has nothing to do with the economic impacts of the deal between the state and Disney, then the governor is acting arbitrarily, and I would argue that is an abuse of power.

That's why Desantis wouldn't (or shouldn't) start mixing those two things together. If he does, he would be handing the Disney lawyers a gun in the middle of a knife fight.

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Now let's hear your take on the Democrats attack on businesses. I'll wait!

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If that's your stance, who do you vote for?

You've likely ruled out desantis.

You must also rule out whatever democrat is the nominee. Since Biden took over, the doj has targeted conservatives or even those who simply disagree with school boards. The dems use the federal bureaucracy as a sledge hammer against their opponents.

So, who do vote for?

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I likely don't vote, but it's mostly moot because I live in Texas so our electoral votes are already settled.

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That part about living in Texas may be moot, however, getting on social media to prove your intentions smacks of trying to influence other voters. Could you explain more fully your intent for your post and the rationalization that it doesn't matter, seems these views are counter to each other.

Seriously, there is no harm in admitting you are trying to influence people, but don't couch it in the I am in Texas cop out.

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If that's your stance, who do you vote for?

You've likely ruled out desantis.

You must also rule out whatever democrat is the nominee. Since Biden took over, the doj has targeted conservatives or even those who simply disagree with school boards. The dems use the federal bureaucracy as a sledge hammer against their opponents.

So, who do vote for?

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I likely don't vote, but it's mostly moot because I live in Texas so our electoral votes are already settled.

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That part about living in Texas may be moot, however, getting on social media to prove your intentions smacks of trying to influence other voters. Could you explain more fully your intent for your post and the rationalization that it doesn't matter, seems these views are counter to each other.

Seriously, there is no harm in admitting you are trying to influence people, but don't couch it in the I am in Texas cop out.

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Nobody on f16 is being convinced of anything they didn't already believe.

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Oh, I've got a ton.

They're all over my tax return. I'm self-employed, and I don't know who specifically I need to blame for all the bureaucratic bull**** I've had to go through, but it's probably not a Republican.

LIke I said, I lean right on the regulatory environment.

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I'm not sure why this whole thing is so hard to comprehend.

1. Disney had a special deal. The only company in the state to have such an arrangement.
2. All was fine until Disney waded into a state wide policy issue (law) that had nothing to do with them.
3. The Republicans (including DeSantis) took their special deal away.
4. When Disney decided to try and outsmart the State, the State decided to play hardball.


A worse look for the State of Florida (IMHO) would be to allow Disney to get away with it.

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This.

and from will25u:

So the FL Legislators passed a bill to remove Ready Creek Improvement District of it BOS.

Then the old RCID board of supervisors tried to usurp the power of the state legislators by passing a last minute agreement to give Disney:

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Jeepers, here's what's relevant to you:

In passing that last minute agreement to transfer its powers to Disney, the outgoing board members relied on a British legal clause from the 1600s that has questionable legal validity in the US.

And as such, DeSantis and the Florida Legislature are obligated to challenge this Hail Mary ploy. If they don't, it would be admitting defeat to a very questionable legal gambit, and my guess is you'd be on this board railing against DeSantis for being so weak.

So, either man up and admit you're wrong in this instance, man up and admit you were never going to vote for DeSantis, Trump, or any Republican at all, or, simply woos up and slink off back into the shadows.

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If you 'haven't seen' Dems target private companies, you either haven't been looking, you have your head in the sand or stuck up some orifice, you are incapable of seeing, or you are lying.

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One, I'm not voting for Dems either. Two, please cite examples - preferably those on a consequential scale such as this.

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I don't know about policy but AGs in the northeast have sued the likes of ExxonMobil for climate change.

And see here below where Gavin Newsom goes on about "taking on Big Oil" and then trying to pass laws against them. Specifically in regards to so called "price gouging."

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article273478015.html

I don't know if this qualifies as "culture war" to you but to me it does.

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Yeah, yeah.

If the stance is that my opposition to Desantis' executive actions here is solely because he's a Republican, then I'll just flip a mirror on that. The only reason you support what he's doing is because he's a Republican.

Disney is in the private sector and represents capitalism. DeSantis is in the public sector and represents government regulation.

Objectively speaking, in this case, I am on the conservative side of this discussion.

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The deal that Disney has is the antithesis of capitalism...

And your last sentence made me chuckle...thanks, I needed that.

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You are right. I was shooting from the hip on this one. Should have looked it up - (learned some stuff when I did)

It's interesting and it's not super black and white -- but it looks like the courts can't overrule the legislature solely on the motivations behind the statute (it gets murkier on executive orders), but can take it into consideration on whether or not to hear it. But after that, the law stands on its own two feet and the court is then obligated to do a complete 180 and completely disregard any legislative motivation, which actually makes sense.

It's been challenged a **** ton, but the concept of separating a law from whatever inspired it has always been upheld.

So, this is actually perfect for Desantis. There's certainly nothing unconstitutional about clawing back a bunch of favors, so he was pretty clever in picking this fight and I stand corrected.

I don't think it's the right thing to do and I think it's ridiculous for a Florida governor to be in a pissing match with Mickey Mouse over irrelevant bull****, but he has every right to do it.

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Props to you for researching and learning, nothing wrong with finding out new things and changing perspectives. Happens to me all the time!