What percentage of people that go down this path have a wonderful outcome. Take a look at Biden s health dept.. leader. Does that guy/woman look happy. Anyone with this condition is pretty screwed.

The vast majority of us do. You don't want to hear that, but even in the most Christiansted nightmare parts of Texas, we have pretty decent lives and are fulfilled/happy.

It would absolutely crush some of ylthe raging fantasy posted on this board to know how biased their sources are, and how deeply flawed their assumptions, guesses, and badly informed opinions can be.

The biggest detriment to my health and happiness related to trans issue is the people like large swathes ofnthisnboard that think their delusions should run my life, and are seeking to do so by legislation.

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"The other startling fact that was discovered is another part of this phenomenon that we've brought up before. More than half of the parents said that their children had other preexisting mental issues prior to transitioning and those issues were not resolved after the process.".

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I'm struggling with the words "startling" and "phenomenon" here. There is no surprise here unless you haven't mentally developed past 5th grade maturity. Maybe that's the root issue for these parents.

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The vast majority of us do. You don't want to hear that, but even in the most Christiansted nightmare parts of Texas, we have pretty decent lives and are fulfilled/happy.

It would absolutely crush some of ylthe raging fantasy posted on this board to know how biased their sources are, and how deeply flawed their assumptions, guesses, and badly informed opinions can be.

The biggest detriment to my health and happiness related to trans issue is the people like large swathes ofnthisnboard that think their delusions should run my life, and are seeking to do so by legislation.

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our delusions?

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The vast majority of us do. You don't want to hear that, but even in the most Christiansted nightmare parts of Texas, we have pretty decent lives and are fulfilled/happy.

It would absolutely crush some of ylthe raging fantasy posted on this board to know how biased their sources are, and how deeply flawed their assumptions, guesses, and badly informed opinions can be.

The biggest detriment to my health and happiness related to trans issue is the people like large swathes ofnthisnboard that think their delusions should run my life, and are seeking to do so by legislation.

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I am glad...and I get it. If you don't like how you look and feel more comfortable wearing different cloths then fine. If you want a sex change - fine, but don't make me pay for it. Honestly most people don't care how you dress or look. If people look at you funny in public then that's their problem isn't it?

I think what most people have a problem with is the promotion of this lifestyle on children.
Children should NOT be sexualized... period.

The second problem people have is the constant preening of this lifestyle and cramming it down people's throats 24 x 7. You guys have become "bible thumpers" - you are the "Christiansted nightmare" you rail against.

If you'd leave us and our kids alone - we'd be happy to the same to you.

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The vast majority of us do. You don't want to hear that, but even in the most Christiansted nightmare parts of Texas, we have pretty decent lives and are fulfilled/happy.

It would absolutely crush some of ylthe raging fantasy posted on this board to know how biased their sources are, and how deeply flawed their assumptions, guesses, and badly informed opinions can be.

The biggest detriment to my health and happiness related to trans issue is the people like large swathes ofnthisnboard that think their delusions should run my life, and are seeking to do so by legislation.

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2/3 are depressed, according to radical right wing christians running the Trevor project.

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The vast majority of us do. You don't want to hear that, but even in the most Christiansted nightmare parts of Texas, we have pretty decent lives and are fulfilled/happy.

It would absolutely crush some of ylthe raging fantasy posted on this board to know how biased their sources are, and how deeply flawed their assumptions, guesses, and badly informed opinions can be.

The biggest detriment to my health and happiness related to trans issue is the people like large swathes ofnthisnboard that think their delusions should run my life, and are seeking to do so by legislation.

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Not trying to be personal, but just how far did you go?

I think that context matters. There's a big difference between just looking the part and surgery/hormones. Especially for teenagers/kids who are already confused as hell with the hormones raging.

EDIT: Obviously don't answer if it's too personal. Not trying to be nosy. But as I stated, context matters.

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The vast majority of us do. You don't want to hear that, but even in the most Christiansted nightmare parts of Texas, we have pretty decent lives and are fulfilled/happy.

It would absolutely crush some of ylthe raging fantasy posted on this board to know how biased their sources are, and how deeply flawed their assumptions, guesses, and badly informed opinions can be.

The biggest detriment to my health and happiness related to trans issue is the people like large swathes ofnthisnboard that think their delusions should run my life, and are seeking to do so by legislation.

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I thought you were just a gay male, not trans. So does that make you straight if you are the opposite sex (female) of your birth gender (male) and you are attracted to males? Or are you still gay? This **** is why people say all of this is ridiculous. It's not normal. Gay can be classified as normal (or at least seen in nature). Trans is not and has been classified as a mental illness for decades.

The trans culture being forced down the public throats is what people do not like. Throw in the grooming and going after kids who are confused is a bright line of demarcation. Everyone goes through teenage years with some angst - it's the right of passage everyone has to go through.

The media has already turned the page on a mentally ill trans shooter. This is not surprising because there have been several high profile trans shooters recently that have been memory holed. If you are happy with your transition, fine, but you are in the minority.

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The vast majority of us do. You don't want to hear that, but even in the most Christiansted nightmare parts of Texas, we have pretty decent lives and are fulfilled/happy.

It would absolutely crush some of ylthe raging fantasy posted on this board to know how biased their sources are, and how deeply flawed their assumptions, guesses, and badly informed opinions can be.

The biggest detriment to my health and happiness related to trans issue is the people like large swathes ofnthisnboard that think their delusions should run my life, and are seeking to do so by legislation.

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2/3 are depressed, according to radical right wing christians running the Trevor project.

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Like I said, self-reported data is pretty much useless. What's he going to say? We're all fundamentally unhappy and indulging our delusions has not cured the underlying mental health issues that are the root cause of the insane and pernicious claim that one can be born in the wrong body?

These people have skin in the game and need to convince themselves that their decisions are valid. They know that they are not the opposite sex just as much as you and I do. Reality is what it is. The alternative is facing the fact that you're mentally ill and have publicly humiliated yourself by attempting to build a false identity based on an insane premise.

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What percentage of people that go down this path have a wonderful outcome. Take a look at Biden s health dept.. leader. Does that guy/woman look happy. Anyone with this condition is pretty screwed.

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3 out of 3 that I'm aware of. BUT all of them went down this path at some point in their 20s/30s. The impression that I got was that in general it sounded risky getting into this too early because everyone is finding themselves in their teens. But once things have settled down things are much more clear.

It sounded like, and I agree with, making major life changing decisions at that age in general is a very bad idea.

"We" don't do the things you accuse us of, a small subset do. Just like a small subset of Christians fight like tigers to keep child marriage legal, and set up outside soldiers funerals.


The last line is disingenuous. There is no "if you just did x we would leave you alone".... history has proved thar there is no appeasement to the rad Christians about lgbt issues. When my home state has to be forced by the Supreme court to stop arresting gay men, and still has the law ON THE BOOKS about it...no, this is not true.

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The vast majority of us do. You don't want to hear that, but even in the most Christiansted nightmare parts of Texas, we have pretty decent lives and are fulfilled/happy.

It would absolutely crush some of ylthe raging fantasy posted on this board to know how biased their sources are, and how deeply flawed their assumptions, guesses, and badly informed opinions can be.

The biggest detriment to my health and happiness related to trans issue is the people like large swathes ofnthisnboard that think their delusions should run my life, and are seeking to do so by legislation.

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I thought you were just a gay male, not trans. So does that make you straight if you are the opposite sex (female) of your birth gender (male) and you are attracted to males? Or are you still gay? This **** is why people say all of this is ridiculous. It's not normal. Gay can be classified as normal (or at least seen in nature). Trans is not and has been classified as a mental illness for decades.

The trans culture being forced down the public throats is what people do not like. Throw in the grooming and going after kids who are confused is a bright line of demarcation. Everyone goes through teenage years with some angst - it's the right of passage everyone has to go through.

The media has already turned the page on a mentally ill trans shooter. This is not surprising because there have been several high profile trans shooters recently that have been memory holed. If you are happy with your transition, fine, but you are in the minority.

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I dont like Christian schizophrenia glorification being crammed down my throat, butbtheyre the reason child marriage is still legal in parts of the US...

Ive been out/honest about being trans here for a long time, I don't like men btw.

Someone on this board actually doxxed me and tried to get me fired over the issue years ago after I said things publicly. Went on a rant to my boss on the phone about me being ungodly and a disgrace to my profession, and that they where just trying to save me from hell by waking me up. One of the reasons I'm very blunt about my belief there is no hate like Christian love.... I've been on the receiving end many times

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The vast majority of us do. You don't want to hear that, but even in the most Christiansted nightmare parts of Texas, we have pretty decent lives and are fulfilled/happy.

It would absolutely crush some of ylthe raging fantasy posted on this board to know how biased their sources are, and how deeply flawed their assumptions, guesses, and badly informed opinions can be.

The biggest detriment to my health and happiness related to trans issue is the people like large swathes ofnthisnboard that think their delusions should run my life, and are seeking to do so by legislation.

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Not trying to be personal, but just how far did you go?

I think that context matters. There's a big difference between just looking the part and surgery/hormones. Especially for teenagers/kids who are already confused as hell with the hormones raging.

EDIT: Obviously don't answer if it's too personal. Not trying to be nosy. But as I stated, context matters.

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Thank you for not being rude in how you asked. The question is valid, but not something I will discuss on this board. Suffice to say I'm familiar, both through my own experiences, and being involved with founding support groups and organizations.

The "this is new" argument is amusing, the push to depathologize trans people started in Germany in the 30s. Had the nazis not burned huge numbers of writings on the subject, and violently suppressed the people/research...

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The vast majority of us do. You don't want to hear that, but even in the most Christiansted nightmare parts of Texas, we have pretty decent lives and are fulfilled/happy.

It would absolutely crush some of ylthe raging fantasy posted on this board to know how biased their sources are, and how deeply flawed their assumptions, guesses, and badly informed opinions can be.

The biggest detriment to my health and happiness related to trans issue is the people like large swathes ofnthisnboard that think their delusions should run my life, and are seeking to do so by legislation.

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Not trying to be personal, but just how far did you go?

I think that context matters. There's a big difference between just looking the part and surgery/hormones. Especially for teenagers/kids who are already confused as hell with the hormones raging.

EDIT: Obviously don't answer if it's too personal. Not trying to be nosy. But as I stated, context matters.

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Thank you for not being rude in how you asked. The question is valid, but not something I will discuss on this board. Suffice to say I'm familiar, both through my own experiences, and being involved with founding support groups and organizations.

The "this is new" argument is amusing, the push to depathologize trans people started in Germany in the 30s. Had the nazis not burned huge numbers of writings on the subject, and violently suppressed the people/research...

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The vast majority of us do. You don't want to hear that, but even in the most Christiansted nightmare parts of Texas, we have pretty decent lives and are fulfilled/happy.

It would absolutely crush some of ylthe raging fantasy posted on this board to know how biased their sources are, and how deeply flawed their assumptions, guesses, and badly informed opinions can be.

The biggest detriment to my health and happiness related to trans issue is the people like large swathes ofnthisnboard that think their delusions should run my life, and are seeking to do so by legislation.

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A close friend of my partner is trans, and I knew him when he was a girl. Ever since transitioning, he has completely blossomed and thrived and is a happy, successful person. This is the outcome I wish for all who are going through this.

Praise the Lord there's a help line...

White House Press Secretary Unveils Special Hotline for LGTQI+ Human Children Who Are Suffering From The Anti-LGBTQ Legislation Being Implemented Across the Country

JEAN-PIERRE: "This is a new service the Biden administration is PROUD to offer during these incredibly hard times… pic.twitter.com/4G9POC634M

— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) April 6, 2023

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A new study from a psychology professor at Northwestern University appears to confirm something that many of us already suspected from more anecdotal data. Professor Michael Bailey reviewed survey data from more than 1,500 parents of children and young adults who had "transitioned" to the opposite gender. A large number of parents said that they felt "pressured" into supporting their children's transition. And a majority said that the children displayed "worse mental health outcomes" after going through transgender treatments. This was most often observed in patients described as experiencing Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria, where the condition seemingly "comes out of nowhere." This further supports the belief that much of what is being observed is a form of social contagion spreading rapidly through youth peer groups. (Daily Wire)

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Parents were often "pressured" into transitioning their children to treat gender dysphoria, after which the parents reported worse mental health outcomes for their children, according to a new study.
Northwestern University psychology professor Michael Bailey analyzed survey data from 1,655 parents of youth and young adult children who identified as the opposite sex or non-binary. The survey data was compiled by the anonymous support group Parents of Rapid-Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD) Kids, an organization that collects horror stories from parents whose children struggled with gender dysphoria.
The data collected came from families with children who began to identify as transgender between the ages of 11 and 21.

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One surprising element of the study was the disparity in the gender divide. Male-to-female transgender cases like Jazz Jennings and various drag queen performers receive the lion's share of media attention. But the survey found that female-to-male transitions are far more common, accounting for roughly 75% of all cases. It was suggested that young girls tend to be more susceptible to suggestion and group think than boys.

The other startling fact that was discovered is another part of this phenomenon that we've brought up before. More than half of the parents said that their children had other preexisting mental issues prior to transitioning and those issues were not resolved after the process.

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https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/04/05/parents-report-declining-mental-health-in-post-transition-children-n541854

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It's extremely biased. Directly from the abstract

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Parents of ROGD Kids was created by two mothers with teenage daughters who suddenly decided they were transgender without any prior history of gender dysphoria, but with long histories of mental health issues. They were skeptical of the affirmative model. It just didn't seem to fit in their child's case, yet everywhere they went, they were told to affirm their children. These mothers felt isolated, intimidated and terrified for their daughters.

They met online in a group of like-minded mothers. Eventually, the group arranged a secret meeting somewhere in the US. It had to be secret to avoid angry trans-rights activists. It was such a relief to find others in the same situation, and so empowering to know they were not alone, that they decided to create Parents of ROGD Kids, so that no other parent would ever have to feel so isolated and alone.

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I must have missed the Hotline announcement for those suffering emotional distress after the outright murder of children at the hands of a deranged transgender. Could someone hook me up with the phone number and/or link?

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The vast majority of us do. You don't want to hear that, but even in the most Christiansted nightmare parts of Texas, we have pretty decent lives and are fulfilled/happy.

It would absolutely crush some of ylthe raging fantasy posted on this board to know how biased their sources are, and how deeply flawed their assumptions, guesses, and badly informed opinions can be.

The biggest detriment to my health and happiness related to trans issue is the people like large swathes ofnthisnboard that think their delusions should run my life, and are seeking to do so by legislation.

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I thought you were just a gay male, not trans. So does that make you straight if you are the opposite sex (female) of your birth gender (male) and you are attracted to males? Or are you still gay? This **** is why people say all of this is ridiculous. It's not normal. Gay can be classified as normal (or at least seen in nature). Trans is not and has been classified as a mental illness for decades.

The trans culture being forced down the public throats is what people do not like. Throw in the grooming and going after kids who are confused is a bright line of demarcation. Everyone goes through teenage years with some angst - it's the right of passage everyone has to go through.

The media has already turned the page on a mentally ill trans shooter. This is not surprising because there have been several high profile trans shooters recently that have been memory holed. If you are happy with your transition, fine, but you are in the minority.

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I dont like Christian schizophrenia glorification being crammed down my throat, butbtheyre the reason child marriage is still legal in parts of the US...

Ive been out/honest about being trans here for a long time, I don't like men btw.

Someone on this board actually doxxed me and tried to get me fired over the issue years ago after I said things publicly. Went on a rant to my boss on the phone about me being ungodly and a disgrace to my profession, and that they where just trying to save me from hell by waking me up. One of the reasons I'm very blunt about my belief there is no hate like Christian love.... I've been on the receiving end many times

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I don't believe children should get married either. They should be 18 at a minimum.

I also disagree with doxing and no one on this board should be harassed. I don't like when the left does it so why would I agree with the right doing it?

But what is happening today with trans and kids is just not acceptable. I am a parent and I think it's insidious when adults take advantage of children and their innocence.

I am witnessing this up close and in person with a nephew who has been transitioning to a female for several years. His (I will call him by his feminine name if that is what's wanted but in my mind my nephew is my nephew regardless of wanting to be my niece - for now) parents have been absolutely ripped apart by the entire process. As in the article, it came "out of left field". It's absolutely awful to watch someone you love agonize over their identity in such a way. To add to the stress, his parents have had the "Sword of Damocles" held over their head the entire time in that so many of these kids do kill themselves. And his Mother's best friend had a child transitioning the other way who did indeed kill themselves, apparently after being teased online by teenage peers. It's much worse when they have seen close friends go through the death of their child, who was also struggling with gender identity. I can't imagine anything worse than losing a child.

I am pretty certain that my nephew has not had any surgery, but he has been taking hormones and started doing so at about 16 or 17 - certainly before he was done with puberty. In the back of my mind, I hope and believe he is going to wake up and "snap out of it" just as he seemed to fall into it. I hope that day comes, and that if it does he hasn't harmed himself in ways that cannot be undone by way of the hormones he has been taking. I always saw him as a bit nerdy, but NEVER in a million years would I have expected him to want to transition to female.

It must be brutal to look down at your body and feel that you don't fit into it. Everyone is on a journey. Everyone has their struggles and failings. I know I've got mine. That being said, there seems to be an active effort underway to elevate, promote, and celebrate a trans lifestyle to increasingly younger and younger persons. I find THAT wrong and I believe history will not look back kindly on what I see as an epidemic when the pendulum swings back. I just hope my nephew, and others, aren't left as permanently scarred from choices they made too early in life.

Maybe start supporting your niece and they'll have a better life

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Maybe start supporting your niece and they'll have a better life

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Boys are nephews. Supporting delusion and lying doesn't create a better life for anyone.

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Pooling across studies shows that after sex reassignment, 80% of individuals with GID reported significant improvement in gender dysphoria; 78% reported significant improvement in psychological symptoms; 80% reported significant improvement in quality of life

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Hormonal therapy and sex reassignment: a systematic review and meta-analysis of quality of life and psychosocial outcomes

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Use of GAHT [gender-affirming hormone therapy] was associated with lower odds of recent depression and seriously considering suicide compared to those who wanted GAHT but did not receive it. For youth under age 18, GAHT was associated with lower odds of recent depression and of a past-year suicide attempt.
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Association of Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy With Depression, Thoughts of Suicide, and Attempted Suicide Among Transgender and Nonbinary Youth

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Things have sure changed from parents not telling a kid they can't have a candy bar at the store check-out to not telling them there is no such thing as trans and letting them get treatments or surgery to become something they are not and can never be.

We ruined your reproductive system. For the rest of your life, you'll never function properly or experience the enjoyment that a human was designed to experience. Why are you depressed? [/idiotic trans parents]

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Pooling across studies shows that after sex reassignment, 80% of individuals with GID reported significant improvement in gender dysphoria; 78% reported significant improvement in psychological symptoms; 80% reported significant improvement in quality of life

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Hormonal therapy and sex reassignment: a systematic review and meta-analysis of quality of life and psychosocial outcomes

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Use of GAHT [gender-affirming hormone therapy] was associated with lower odds of recent depression and seriously considering suicide compared to those who wanted GAHT but did not receive it. For youth under age 18, GAHT was associated with lower odds of recent depression and of a past-year suicide attempt.
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Association of Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy With Depression, Thoughts of Suicide, and Attempted Suicide Among Transgender and Nonbinary Youth

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Why don't you send my your study showing the COVID shots prevent transmission next as long as we're just sending around bull**** "science."

In the meantime, I'll listen to the actual data that shows suicidality peaks several years after transition and gender dysphoria desists at a rate over 90% if you practice watchful waiting instead of shooting up kids full of hormones and chopping off their genitals.

Keep defending the mutilation of healthy people for the sake of your religion of "tolerance." The most evil thing you could ever tell someone who has a mental illness is that their perception is valid and that they should lean into it. Same for any other mental illness.

so post the data

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so post the data

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Go read the myriad of books that exist on the topic. Ryan Anderson and Abigail Shrier are good starting points. I'm not going to waste my time digging up the studies for some internet warrior that has no desire to see the truth. Just rest assured that you are wrong and what you are supporting is evil beyond belief.

yo it's crazy you couldn't pull up anything even though there are "a myriad of books...on the topic"

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yo it's crazy you couldn't pull up anything even though there are "a myriad of books...on the topic"

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I gave you sources. Do your own research troll.

if you can't find anything i'll just assume you don't have anything.

have a good easter weekend (if you celebrate it)

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Use of GAHT [gender-affirming hormone therapy] was associated with lower odds of recent depression and seriously considering suicide compared to those who wanted GAHT but did not receive it. For youth under age 18, GAHT was associated with lower odds of recent depression and of a past-year suicide attempt.
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Association of Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy With Depression, Thoughts of Suicide, and Attempted Suicide Among Transgender and Nonbinary Youth


Cross-sectional study.

13-24 year olds, a demographic really struggling with mental health.

The Patient Health Questionnaire-2 has two items, 1) Little interest or pleasure in doing things; and 2) Feeling down, depressed or hopeless.

Study really leaves a lot to be desired doesn't it?

It doesn't come from nowhere. YOU may not have seen it, especially if you're the kind that's doing the "I'm not playing along" thing, we did/do a very good job of hiding it from people we think will treat us poorly.

I hid it from my family for 22 years, I could have told you when I was much younger. I don't advocate for letting kids transition, but the reality is by 16 or 17, and with actually therapy, thought etc, you know...

And yes, a lot of younger trans people attempt suicide. It's rough knowing your parents and family are going to treat you poorly, if not out and out disown you, knowing your friends will probably walk away, listening to the preacher tell you the violent and wrathful God your forced to worship is going to condem you to hell, and listening to thousands of strangers that think they're not only entitled to voice their opinions about our lives, but legislate our existence based on their beliefs.

Right, there might be a reason some parents/families are the last ones to know