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mesocosm said:

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Nitro Power said:

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Godless society we live in

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Given the huge number of people slaughtered over human history by people deluded by their own God beliefs, I'll dismiss your comment as silly

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I guess your high school history class didnt examine the 20th century

I only have issue with #4. I think we're well past the acceptance of mental issues. I think we've gone too far and crossed into promotion of mental illness. Seems like it's become another "victim" category and an excuse for accepting behavior which has traditionally unacceptable.

Not saying we should destigmatize treatment, we just need to be careful and intentional.

Not that they are related, but the White House will certainly attempt to exploit this. They have been priming the pump on gun control through their social media pretty heavily the last few weeks. It's definitely coming.

I'm an assistant principal at a fairly large high school. We have 72 exterior doors on the entire building. That includes everything, locker rooms to main entrances.

All it takes is one clown to prop a door open. We have cameras on every door along with a notification when a door has been left open longer than 30 seconds.

We have police on campus all day but one motivated a-hole determined to do something horrific is not something that can be stopped.

Don't get me started.

My heart goes out to the dad who showed up on campus that morning wanted to go in and save his kid when the cops just stood by.

Anywho...

Until we learn to value life again, nothing will change.

Maroon Dawn said:

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The Debt said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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B-1 83 said:

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Lots of stuff not really adding up or just odd

• They said the shooter appeared to be a teenager
• How many female teenagers are that prolific with an AR?
• Simply a small statured adult?
• She went to the second floor, which tells me she was targeting someone in particular rather than just killing totally randomly

Those cops didn't Jack around, they went in and shot the attacker, unlike Uvalde

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If I heard correctly, she was in an open area and NOT a classroom. So, she was not in a defensive posture... nor was she barricaded. Unlike Uvalde.

That doesn't excuse the cops in Uvalde, but thought I'd draw the distinction.

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Earlier they reported she pulled a fire alarm to get everyone to leave the classrooms

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Which to me means that unless the classrooms are locked during class (and they know about it) that they wanted the second floor to trap people there (can't go out the window) and create a shooting gallery

This suggests they weren't looking for a particular individual but that they did have knowledge of the school

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Ooooooo……that's an interesting thought. Blue parachute for you!

Charpie said:

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Don't get me started.

My heart goes out to the dad who showed up on campus that morning wanted to go in and save his kid when the cops just stood by.

Anywho...

Until we learn to value life again, nothing will change.

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I agree completely.

Impossible to stop entry by a motivated person.

The Debt said:

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nai06 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Ags77 said:

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Another heartbreaking tragedy in our country. I kinda know how we got here, but how in the heck do we stop this stuff ?

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Harden targets.

Re-open mental institutions.

Parent children.

Return to God.

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Uvalde was clearly not hardened enough and even the basic protections were foiled by human behavior.

At some point hardening of targets becomes counter-productive and potentially dangerous in its own right.

Whilst waiting to pick our son up on Friday, I was casually noticing just how locked down the middle school is. SRO is onsite all day everyday, only one entrance is available for visitors, and that requires a photo ID to be presented to the foorbell camera and for the person to be buzzed in through two sets of impact glass paneled doors. Once in, you are in a lobby area and still not in the school and the windows in that area are all also impact resistant.

Most exterior doors are hardened with no exterior handles / knobs.

This is a 15+ yo school in suburban DFW. As the district upgrades all campuses, these hardening protocols are put in place.

I do not know the Christian school and what they may have had in place, but reason would indicate they may not have the same "hardening" protocols many public schools have been putting in place.

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I agree that at some point hardening is counter productive.

And all of that hardening doesn't matter when someone accidentally leave a side door open or a student lets someone in.

Hell you can prop a door open with a pencil and it will visually look closed unless you are right up on it and test the door.


And even then, you've just moved all the targets outside. Last week a teen in Arlington was shot and killed on the front steps of the high school and a second took some pretty serious damage to their face.

Sure we can make schools hardened like a prison. But is that what we really want to do as a country?

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Oh no! Having double entry entry protection makes everything a prison. I guess every federal building and courthouse in the US is a prison.

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Fire codes at a school may be an issue.

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Because the second it is conceded that some good people must be casualties of totaliariansm under the guise of "public safety", just go ahead and take the Constitution and wipe your ass with it because that is what it will have become at that point.

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If this is the latest iteration of the user I think it is, there is no use arguing one bit. He's a Catholic authoritarian and wants to bring everyone into subjugation of the Church.

The pastor at covenant spent many years at a Dallas congregation. He also has at least one kid a the school. Praying for everyone.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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Calls to ban guns from mass media and leftists in 3, 2, 1............... already happening.

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Effective solutions for reducing these incidents (barring banning guns) would be welcomed by all. People keep fighting over ban or don't ban...but cheese and rice....Can we at least come up with some other options. I can scream 2nd amendment all day long but that isn't a solution. Would just like, for once, to see both sides come together and say "okay, so banning guns is off the table, but lets figure something else out". Kids still dying.

The Debt said:

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nai06 said:

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fka ftc said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Ags77 said:

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Another heartbreaking tragedy in our country. I kinda know how we got here, but how in the heck do we stop this stuff ?

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Harden targets.

Re-open mental institutions.

Parent children.

Return to God.

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Uvalde was clearly not hardened enough and even the basic protections were foiled by human behavior.

At some point hardening of targets becomes counter-productive and potentially dangerous in its own right.

Whilst waiting to pick our son up on Friday, I was casually noticing just how locked down the middle school is. SRO is onsite all day everyday, only one entrance is available for visitors, and that requires a photo ID to be presented to the foorbell camera and for the person to be buzzed in through two sets of impact glass paneled doors. Once in, you are in a lobby area and still not in the school and the windows in that area are all also impact resistant.

Most exterior doors are hardened with no exterior handles / knobs.

This is a 15+ yo school in suburban DFW. As the district upgrades all campuses, these hardening protocols are put in place.

I do not know the Christian school and what they may have had in place, but reason would indicate they may not have the same "hardening" protocols many public schools have been putting in place.

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I agree that at some point hardening is counter productive.

And all of that hardening doesn't matter when someone accidentally leave a side door open or a student lets someone in.

Hell you can prop a door open with a pencil and it will visually look closed unless you are right up on it and test the door.


And even then, you've just moved all the targets outside. Last week a teen in Arlington was shot and killed on the front steps of the high school and a second took some pretty serious damage to their face.

Sure we can make schools hardened like a prison. But is that what we really want to do as a country?

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Oh no! Having double entry entry protection makes everything a prison. I guess every federal building and courthouse in the US is a prison.

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At my school, there are two entrances to each building after the school prevented access through the "end door" entrances. Wouldn't you know that both of those were the entrances accessed by handicapped students, faculty, and staff (which violates federal ADA law). Neither of the two open entrances offer ADA accommodation. So stupid. I wish someone would slap my school with a class action lawsuit and change this policy.

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I only have issue with #4. I think we're well past the acceptance of mental issues. I think we've gone too far and crossed into promotion of mental illness. Seems like it's become another "victim" category and an excuse for accepting behavior which has traditionally unacceptable.

Not saying we should destigmatize treatment, we just need to be careful and intentional.

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Agree with that. I probably wasn't clear, but when I typed "accept", I meant as in "acknowlege and get treatment without stigmatizing the person" or somewhere along those lines. I stated earlier in this thread that one of the issues with society is that we absolutely celebrate mental illness and that is a major contributor to multiple things we face in society daily.

45-70Ag said:

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I'm an assistant principal at a fairly large high school. We have 72 exterior doors on the entire building. That includes everything, locker rooms to main entrances.

All it takes is one clown to prop a door open. We have cameras on every door along with a notification when a door has been left open longer than 30 seconds.

We have police on campus all day but one motivated a-hole determined to do something horrific is not something that can be stopped.

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This. We can try to harden buildings all we want but even the most modern schools have multiple exit doors. Has to be that way for emergency evacuations. If you have one exterior door then you just create a giant trap in a fire. All of those exits have to be locked but as he said just takes one to prop a door for a second. Until we address the actual problem which is mental illness in this country and not valuing life then the arguments about how to prevent it are pointless. A crazy person crazy enough to want to kill people will find a way.

Shooter was a 28 yr old. Not a teen

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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Calls to ban guns from mass media and leftists in 3, 2, 1............... already happening.

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Effective solutions for reducing these incidents (barring banning guns) would be welcomed by all. People keep fighting over ban or don't ban...but cheese and rice....Can we at least come up with some other options. I can scream 2nd amendment all day long but that isn't a solution. Would just like, for once, to see both sides come together and say "okay, so banning guns is off the table, but lets figure something else out". Kids still dying.

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do you have examples of solutions? Legislating this will have very little impact.

The Debt said:

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How does a teenage girl get two assault rifles and a handgun?

Either Eric Holder gave them to her or she stole them from a rightful owner.

No gun law would have prevented this.

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This needs repeating. Children cannot buy guns...so again no gun law would have prevented this.

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I do not know the Christian school and what they may have had in place, but reason would indicate they may not have the same "hardening" protocols many public schools have been putting in place.

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And that's the bottom line. If we aren't protecting to the fullest extent possible and we aren't prosecuting firearms violators to the fullest extent of the law, why do we need to stop law abiding citizens from owning guns?

28 year old female is the shooter...not teen

28 year old female shooter

Aggie95 said:

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28 year old female is the shooter...not teen

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Not a minor so we need a name now

Maroon Dawn said:

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Aggie95 said:

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28 year old female is the shooter...not teen

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Not a minor so we need a name now

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And a pic to see whether this is memory holed

I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but I think that some of these violent video games mixed with people who have mental health issues is a big problem.
The games desensitize them and allow them to "practice". So many of them spend hours upon hours a day playing these games, living in fantasy worlds.
In the past I dismissed the idea that violent tv shows are harmful because they're fairly passive. Video games aren't passive like shows.

Bockaneer said:

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I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but I think that some of these violent video games mixed with people who have mental health issues is a big problem.
The games desensitize them and allow them to "practice". So many of them spend hours upon hours a day playing these games, living in fantasy worlds.
In the past I dismissed the idea that violent tv shows are harmful because they're fairly passive. Video games aren't passive like shows.

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Which video games let you practice shooting up a school?

BluHorseShu said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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Calls to ban guns from mass media and leftists in 3, 2, 1............... already happening.

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Effective solutions for reducing these incidents (barring banning guns) would be welcomed by all. People keep fighting over ban or don't ban...but cheese and rice....Can we at least come up with some other options. I can scream 2nd amendment all day long but that isn't a solution. Would just like, for once, to see both sides come together and say "okay, so banning guns is off the table, but lets figure something else out". Kids still dying.

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Well, there is only one side that wants to ban guns and wont' even entertain a conversation that doesn't include banning guns.

The other side has put forth a whole host of alternative solutions....and crickets.

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Maroon Dawn said:

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Aggie95 said:

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28 year old female is the shooter...not teen

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Not a minor so we need a name now

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And a pic to see whether this is memory holed

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Exactly. It's incredibly rare for something to motivate a (real) woman enough to commit a crime like this. We all want to know what that is

28 years old. I'll be VERY surprised if she had no affiliation with that school, either as a parent or employee.

samurai_science said:

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Bockaneer said:

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I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but I think that some of these violent video games mixed with people who have mental health issues is a big problem.
The games desensitize them and allow them to "practice". So many of them spend hours upon hours a day playing these games, living in fantasy worlds.
In the past I dismissed the idea that violent tv shows are harmful because they're fairly passive. Video games aren't passive like shows.

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Which video games let you practice shooting up a school?

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Female gamer shoots up school? Talk about a a 1-in-a-billion.

Aggie95 said:

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28 years old. I'll be VERY surprised if she had no affiliation with that school, either as a parent or employee.

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The evidence of her entry point and choice of second floor all seem to indicate familiarity with the school at some level. Pulling of the fire alarm may also be evidence if they were familiar with existing security protocol like locking classrooms during periods

Bockaneer said:

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I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but I think that some of these violent video games mixed with people who have mental health issues is a big problem.
The games desensitize them and allow them to "practice". So many of them spend hours upon hours a day playing these games, living in fantasy worlds.
In the past I dismissed the idea that violent tv shows are harmful because they're fairly passive. Video games aren't passive like shows.

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We used to play guns all the time. The difference today is the number of people that are lonely, have no meaningful positive philosophy or religion and doped up on mood altering drugs.

I bet she had purple/pink colored hair.

Maroon Dawn said:

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Aggie95 said:

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28 year old female is the shooter...not teen

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Not a minor so we need a name now

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Maybe trying to reach kin, etc? If they know her age and that she is a local resident, it would seem a certainty they know her name.

Give us her damn name