ChatGPT again

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Nanomachines son said:

The entry level issue is a massive problem. How do you even begin to train entry level employees now?
My son is in his 3rd year getting his computer science degree. I told him I'm worried about how entry level programming jobs may disappear because of chatgpt. He's got projects he's working on in school where he's in a team and they design an app. I suggested they find a way to incorporate the chatgpt api into their project so that he can get that on his resume. I think it will be vital to any entry level programmer to have otherwise, why does a company need them.
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Seeing ChatGPT and the latest in engineering design, we are nearing a tipping point where these algorithms will do most of the design work, and humans will only feed it the requirements and do the testing.

Humans will just give a prompt such as:

Design a support that connects point A to point B.
Must support the following boundary conditions (describe loads, temperatures, cycles, etc…)

The AI will be able to run through materials, load cases, topology optimizations, and deliver a design.

With 3D printing, engineering hardware designs are taking huge leaps with new AI generated hardware surpassing anything humans could conceive.

One notable example is heat exchangers. Crazy surfaces generated by mathematical algorithms that we could never before manufacture are making waves leading to much smaller more efficient heat exchangers.

Same is happening for structures, although not as big a leap as it is with the heat exchangers. But something like SpaceX Raptor engine is only possible because of advances in 3D printed manufacturing.

Right now the engineering design tools are making huge leaps allowing for crazy geometries and rapid analysis. If you know what you want to accomplish you can desing and analyze hardware in a few days that would have taken a few months in the past.

These tools aren't yet integrated with a content generating AI tool like ChatGPT. But if ChatGPT generates text, there is no reason tools can't be developed that will generate 3D hardware given contextual requirements.

What is going to happen is companies that stay at the leading edge of design tools will smoke those that don't adopt them. I've worked with huge organization before that have decades old desing practices and tools because they know it works, but they are going to fall behind younger companies and startups that adopt the latest design tools. They'll have to buy them up.

In the last 10 years the leaps in engineering tools are so large, the one big advantage new grads will have over their senior peers is they can practice and learn these tools in college while their senior peers are distracted with family, meetings, and corporate bureaucracy.

I'm just blown away recently by the advances I'm seeing and now with ChatGPT, imagination is our only limit.

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Summoning a demon is right.

This **** is gonna get out of control before we even know what's happening.


Google's Bard software advertises that it has accepted JC as its lord and savior, so that seems like a palatable alternative to summoning demons like Demogorgon or chatgpt.
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Getting weirder faster

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Well resourced organizations always outpace their peers. It's not new and it's not limited to ChatGPT.

I think a lot of huge corporations with bureaucracy and inertia that slows changes will be way behind smaller more nimble companies in adopting this.

I'm seeing it myself. I've worked with huge mega corps and small start ups, and the scrappy start ups are way more innovative. The old big companies have so much legacy processes and management lacks incentive to adopt new practices, and the workforce is more complacent and happy just clocking 9-5.

The smaller newer companies have a more creative driven workforce. I know of one group that has done some pretty advanced designs with the latest in engineering design software, and even the software developers who created the software were surprised at the things being done with their tools.

The big companies do carry more credibility so it will still be a battle for the smaller companies to gain market share, but it will happen and then the bigger companies will be forced to buy them up, adapt, or die.
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What bitcoin’s detractors don’t understand is monetary economics, computer science, software engineering, network protocols, and electrical systems.

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TexAgs91 said:

I'm sure Musk regrets leaving. He got into AI to make sure it doesn't fall into the hands of a corporation. That's what happened and he now has no control over it.
Don't count Elon out just yet



This may be an additional reason for buying Twitter. OpenAI has a huge head start since ChatGPT is already out though. And with Microsoft funding they are going full speed ahead.

Tesla has been developing a different type of AI for self driving cars though, and they have massive amounts of compute power.

Like Elon says about his upcoming Starship launch, no matter what happens, excitement is guaranteed.
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Google's alternative to ChatGPT is Bard

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TexAgs91 said:

TexAgs91 said:

I'm sure Musk regrets leaving. He got into AI to make sure it doesn't fall into the hands of a corporation. That's what happened and he now has no control over it.
Don't count Elon out just yet



This may be an additional reason for buying Twitter. OpenAI has a huge head start since ChatGPT is already out though. And with Microsoft funding they are going full speed ahead.

Tesla has been developing a different type of AI for self driving cars though, and they have massive amounts of compute power.

Like Elon says about his upcoming Starship launch, no matter what happens, excitement is guaranteed.


But they don't have good data, they don't have LiDAR or radar.
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Lex Fridman statement on dangers of AI



Great long form interview with Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO


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The Green Dragon said:


The lawyer bit is exactly what I was saying in this thread or another. Big law is done. Law students and recent law grads better recognize.


Please demonstrate how "big law is done." With an actual example using ChatGPT
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I had it rewrite my additional landlord provisions and they sounded super legal. Lawyers are done.
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TexAgs91 said:

Any details on that?
Just search for threat actors ChatGPT on your search engine. Plenty of articles like this one.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/facebook-accounts-hijacked-by-new-malicious-chatgpt-chrome-extension/

The number of ways they've already figured out how to use it to exploit and attack is astounding. They found a way to attack GPT 4 yesterday.
https://venturebeat.com/security/hacker-demonstrates-security-flaws-in-gpt-4-just-one-day-after-launch/

On top of this, the less skilled criminal orgs are using it to fix their broken english phishing attacks. You know, the ones where they convert their language in google translate and it is crazy talk so users delete it quickly?
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I always thought I should start a business catering to immigrant business owners where I made all of their mailers, menus, publications, signs etc proper English. Looks like gpt will corner that market though.
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Sea Speed said:

I had it rewrite my additional landlord provisions and they sounded super legal. Lawyers are done.


Super duper legal?
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Chat GPT claimed biological men could have babies and when pressed it provided fake citations to back its claim. When pressed further, it admitted it lied.

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So in other words, HAL acts just like his leftist useful idiot programmers?
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Someone make Chat GPT play tic-tac-toe against itself.

Number of players zero.
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So it's a random text generator, not a fact based tool. It just generates text that "looks convincing".

This might work for programming languages where there are strict rules so it generates working code snippets.

When it comes to contextual based meaning and historic facts, ChatGPT doesn't know truth from fiction. It can help you write polite emails and make documents, but it can't answer moral, scientific, or history based questions.

This tool will be great at following instructions, but probably fail at giving them.
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safelightKL said:

Chat GPT claimed biological men could have babies and when pressed it provided fake citations to back its claim. When pressed further, it admitted it lied.


What happens when ChatGPT makes its way into corporations and the government and is able to fabricate citations that look real?
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bmks270 said:

So it's a random text generator, not a fact based tool. It just generates text that "looks convincing".

This might work for programming languages where there are strict rules so it generates working code snippets.

When it comes to contextual based meaning and historic facts, ChatGPT doesn't know truth from fiction. It can help you write polite emails and make documents, but it can't answer moral, scientific, or history based questions.

This tool will be great at following instructions, but probably fail at giving them.
Correction... it WON'T answer moral, scientific or history based questions in areas where answering those questions truthfully conflicts with its makers agenda.

This is what I mean when I say at its core, AI is the ability to multiply the mind of its developers by a factor of a billion.
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TexAgs91 said:

safelightKL said:

Chat GPT claimed biological men could have babies and when pressed it provided fake citations to back its claim. When pressed further, it admitted it lied.


What happens when ChatGPT makes its way into corporations and the government and is able to fabricate citations that look real?

When did the government lose its ability to fabricate citations that look real?
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Adverse Event said:

TexAgs91 said:

safelightKL said:

Chat GPT claimed biological men could have babies and when pressed it provided fake citations to back its claim. When pressed further, it admitted it lied.


What happens when ChatGPT makes its way into corporations and the government and is able to fabricate citations that look real?

When did the government lose its ability to fabricate citations that look real?
They haven't. I just mean that ChatGPT can be much more proactive at it.
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It's infinitely more effective at creating lists which, in historic hindsight, haven't been that great for groups of humans.
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Whirligigs said:

Sea Speed said:

I had it rewrite my additional landlord provisions and they sounded super legal. Lawyers are done.


Super duper legal?


Super duper legal.
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What app is best used for ChatGPT?
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That'll change daily. I've mostly only used the free version on openai's website. https://chat.openai.com/chat

I can post a thread with like 20 or 50 apps using openai,, depending on use if that's helpful.
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bmks270 said:

Seeing ChatGPT and the latest in engineering design, we are nearing a tipping point where these algorithms will do most of the design work, and humans will only feed it the requirements and do the testing.

Humans will just give a prompt such as:


Design a support that connects point A to point B.
Must support the following boundary conditions (describe loads, temperatures, cycles, etc…)

The AI will be able to run through materials, load cases, topology optimizations, and deliver a design.

With 3D printing, engineering hardware designs are taking huge leaps with new AI generated hardware surpassing anything humans could conceive.

One notable example is heat exchangers. Crazy surfaces generated by mathematical algorithms that we could never before manufacture are making waves leading to much smaller more efficient heat exchangers.

Same is happening for structures, although not as big a leap as it is with the heat exchangers. But something like SpaceX Raptor engine is only possible because of advances in 3D printed manufacturing.

Right now the engineering design tools are making huge leaps allowing for crazy geometries and rapid analysis. If you know what you want to accomplish you can desing and analyze hardware in a few days that would have taken a few months in the past.

These tools aren't yet integrated with a content generating AI tool like ChatGPT. But if ChatGPT generates text, there is no reason tools can't be developed that will generate 3D hardware given contextual requirements.

What is going to happen is companies that stay at the leading edge of design tools will smoke those that don't adopt them. I've worked with huge organization before that have decades old desing practices and tools because they know it works, but they are going to fall behind younger companies and startups that adopt the latest design tools. They'll have to buy them up.

In the last 10 years the leaps in engineering tools are so large, the one big advantage new grads will have over their senior peers is they can practice and learn these tools in college while their senior peers are distracted with family, meetings, and corporate bureaucracy.

I'm just blown away recently by the advances I'm seeing and now with ChatGPT, imagination is our only limit.


Yeay, 10 new engineering jobs a year. Such wonderful news. Wait do you need an engineering grad to provide prompts ?
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bmks270 said:

So it's a random text generator, not a fact based tool. It just generates text that "looks convincing".

This might work for programming languages where there are strict rules so it generates working code snippets.

When it comes to contextual based meaning and historic facts, ChatGPT doesn't know truth from fiction. It can help you write polite emails and make documents, but it can't answer moral, scientific, or history based questions.

This tool will be great at following instructions, but probably fail at giving them.
Well text that "LOOKS" real must have some logic to it especially if it can gen compilable code snippets.

Why cant it answer historical or moral questions. Most historical events have start and end dates, a known outcome, known actors, known event variables.

"Chat Bot ?" Tell me about the US Civil War between the East and West of 1885?

The fiction would be easy to expose. Dont need IA for that.
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It's inventing citations. Its historical reporting clearly can't be trusted. Sure it may get some facts right, but many examples are appearing if it returning false information.
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"This is the worst AI will EVER be"
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Only thing I don't agree with here is prognosticators staying "in a few years, x,y,z..." AI advances happen exponentially. Artists will have trained AI's in the next few weeks or months, or their producers will.

Maybe sooner. I thought this stuff would be happening fast...but it's almost to the point that EVERYONE needs to quit what they're doing and train themselves and their AI to be a productive member of society... maybe this is just FOMO, but it doesn't feel like it.
What bitcoin’s detractors don’t understand is monetary economics, computer science, software engineering, network protocols, and electrical systems.

It ain't much, but it's honest Proof of Work.
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Adverse Event said:

"This is the worst AI will EVER be"
Truer words neer spoken



Only thing I don't agree with here is prognosticators staying "in a few years, x,y,z..." AI advances happen exponentially. Artists will have trained AI's in the next few weeks or months, or their producers will.

Maybe sooner. I thought this stuff would be happening fast...but it's almost to the point that EVERYONE needs to quit what they're doing and train themselves and their AI to be a productive member of society... maybe this is just FOMO, but it doesn't feel like it.


The entirety of the music and movie industries are about to be blown apart. People will be able to create music and movies based upon prompts from AI trained on specific musicians, actors, and more. Voice acting is 100% dead now and we're about 2 years away from AI making motion video with ease.

It's absolutely not fomo, it's the biggest change since the invention of computers themselves. The rapid advancement is going to crush large bureaucracies that are unwilling to change fast. I've been talking with everyone at my office to get this moving forward, but the resistance is high.
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I want to know how to make money off of it. Where do I invest?
 
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