Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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There were definitely people/talking heads in MSM who were claiming to be experts/authorities on military strategy that were convinced Ukraine could win.

I think we are starting to witness what I predicted very early on, that Ukraine will "lower the bar and declare victory." After saying the goal was to retake Crimea we will be told losing land men and equipment for the last year or so was the actual plan. We will be told "no one actually thought they could retake Crimea" but I did not forget.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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There were definitely people/talking heads in MSM who were claiming to be experts/authorities on military strategy that were convinced Ukraine could win.

I think we are starting to witness what I predicted very early on, that Ukraine will "lower the bar and declare victory." After saying the goal was to retake Crimea we will be told losing land men and equipment for the last year or so was the actual plan. We will be told "no one actually thought they could retake Crimea" but I did not forget.


The goals to declare victory were always
1) launder money for the DNC and Washington elites
2) stack enough Russian bodies to neuter them for a few more years and put Russia "back in its place" globally to show them they had to toe the globalist's agenda
3) make an excuse to further strengthen and extend NATO hegemony
4) enrich the military industrial complex
5) reignite a cold war to sustain the military industrial complex because the war in the middle east has exhausted the American citizen so a new boogeyman was needed to justify the gross overspending on the military industrial complex

Once these goals were accomplished regardless of whether Ukraine won any land back, victory would be declared and Ukraine would be forgotten.
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Respectfully, I don't think your listed objectives really are complete/accurate. Other objectives can be seen through the lens of the WEF/globalists like Mark Rutter, the embodiment of Nato/the EU swamp:

  • Population reduction (600K+ killed).
  • Energy price spike in Europe.
  • Food prices spike globally (much related to energy/transportation costs).
  • Empower China/Brics+.
  • The war has been used as a rationale/successor to covid, as to the need to censor/suppress 'populists' or 'far right' speech/parties in Europe and here, in conjunction with open borders for 'migrants' or 'refugees.'





From the globalist/WEF/'Club of Rome' perspective, thus, the war has been a rousing success. Those interests have zero concern for 'Ukraine' or Ukrainian peoples, or Russians of course.
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Yep!
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Yep again!
"only one thing is important!"
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Vuhledar has fallen and the usual "Russia lost men" cope was not far behind it.


When looking at a map of the entire country, it is still a noticeable chunk of land from Avdeevka to here. Recall it was early this year when Avdeevka fell. I compare the two because several articles referred to them both as strongholds at one point for Ukraine.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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Yes the larger issue for the UFA with that town falling finally is that there isn't a whole lot of defensible land nearby.

LOL, old neocon Pompeo even on a prank call looking for a 'way out' to 'bring Russia back into the western economic space.' Way too late, Mike, Trump's not putting you back in the cabinet.




LOL, not just no…


Perhaps dissent is finally taking hold in Kiev:
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Rut-roh. Zelensky falling out of favor?

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From Samantha Power? No, she was just trying to have a 'girl moment' on camera likely, and Zelensky was out of town I think. The responses to that tweet are pretty funny though.

Samantha Power I'd rank only very, very slightly above Nuland in terms of her destructive impact on the world via her US State Department seat.

The "Servant of the People" party folks are meanwhile truly desperate to somehow help their Democrat allies win next month.

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Russia is moving back towards the 1930's with stiff punishments for saying negative comments about officials. Solzhenitzyn goes over article 58 quite a bit in The Gulag Archipelago. It seems the Russians are heading back in that direction. This can apply if the comment is made online.

2 years and a fine for publicly insulting government officials

They also have for a 5 year period of time changed the part of the law regarding census observations.

Change in census law
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Which is precisely the direction the Democrats want to go as to disinformation/speech online, per John F Kerry (who served in Vietnam), as the 1st Amendment is now 'outdated.'

'Ukraine' comparatively hasn't performed a census since 2001 (because the data would be embarrassing, imho). The next one is presently scheduled for 2031, I believe.

The war is not on the neocon-Dem path if that's the debate topic, imho. Meanwhile;

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Lots of big government moves being done by Russia including the nationalization of hundreds of private businesses. Between that and these rules putting people in jail for online comments about officials I'm surprised to see so many on here pulling for them to take over all of Ukraine and other former Russian areas.
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My (again I don't speak for anyone else) primary interest is that the risk of WW3 is greater if somehow Russia loses the war in Ukraine (which they won't), and any proxy war with a nuclear power while 'our side' is commanded by a dementia patient is ludicrously absurd, at best.

Notions of comparative freedom/good between Kiev and Moscow regimes are a little silly imho, as both are similar in many respects though I think speech/religion/travel are less restricted in Moscow, from what I've read. Kiev is the one that tortured and killed an American journalist, after all.

Again, the real proxy interests are more significant than the actual governments directly involved (not to diminish the hundreds of thousands who have died).

China is winning, net, and America and Europe are ultimately the losers here; that dovetails nicely into our domestic politics. The Democrats favor their Chinese allies and the invasion/subjugation/'fundamental change' of America, to a leveling standard with the rest of the world.
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Sad.



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Shocking thread
Zelensky's claim certainly reeks of desperation
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Shocking thread
Zelensky's claim certainly reeks of desperation

Are those the Ukrainian POWs that surrendered and the Russians executed?
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Umm…


I don't know much about Joe Kent but he's right here;


Post-Ugledar sitrep: desertion, retreat, and collapse of UFA, as well as palace intrigue around possible dismissal of Syrski next.


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The Russian Armed Forces are advancing in Ukraine at an "unprecedented pace"
This is stated in an article by The Washington Post. They calculated that in August and September, about 820 square kilometers came under Russian control.
The newspaper's experts suggested that this is facilitated by improved Russian tactics, improved communications for coordination, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces' attack on the Kursk region.
Ultimately though, all the new 'tactics' is not what primarily contributed to the fall of Ugledar. The main responsible element was more holistic in nature:
1. The greater overall attrition of the AFUless men, less arms and firepower, more tired and worn out men, etc. That's not to mention many men from the region being pulled to help reinforce other even more critical zones like Pokrovsk, Kursk, etc.
2. Probably the most important: Ugledar was increasingly cut off by the much larger advancements Russia made to its direct north. The capture of Konstantinovka, Vodiane, etc., in the previous months led to a mountingly untenable position for Ugledar as its main supply routes fell under various forms of fire control.
Much more at the link.
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Well Nortex, the article about Russian 'disarming' of western smart weapons opens the door for me to go back and follow up on an a statement I made that Russia is considered a 'pier' adversary (meaning peer) . At which I was roundly laughed at and mocked by the usual crowd. Even one saying, "You are the only one who calls Russia a peer" or something like that.

They then went off on me using pier instead of peer and it actually side tracked the real discussion with pseudo ad hominen attacks.

The reality is Russia is called a 'peer' adversary. I did not google that or pull that out of my back side, That is what I have been told.

And just for the ones who say I am lying here is a link to an article where that specifically talks about 'peer adversaries' and specifically in electronic warfare:

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/looking-to-the-future-of-electromagnetic-attack-systems/

In high-end conflict with peer adversaries, the U.S. Air Force faces sophisticated integrated air defense systems and advanced command and control networks. Defeating those systems will require advanced electromagnetic attack systems that can deny, degrade, and disrupt opposing forces.

"Peer-nation adversaries have more sophisticated anti-access area denial capabilitiesA2/ADwith kill chains or kill webs that are no longer stagnant," said Stephanie Fehling, director of electronic attack solutions at BAE Systems. "They're increasingly more complex and resilient. They're using a much broader range of the electromagnetic spectrum for their combat operations, and they're also quickly adapting commercial technologies for use in their operations."

This is from our Air and Space forces by the way, I think that is pretty good source that confirms 'peer' adversaries. LOL

However, we must then define 'peer'. There are number of different aspects of warfare, and in most of them we have no 'peer', But we are not dominant all areas, and one of the areas (a very important area) we are not dominant is is cyber warfare and electronic warfare. This is agreed upon across the board. Even my Navy Seabee officer knows this.

The Russians military are superior to us in cyber warfare and possibly, electronic warfare. The Chinese (at least the cooperate sector) may be superior to us in cyber as well! They have hacked so much, as have the Russians.

My personal source told me that a cell phone emits infrared rays that the Russian's have the tracking capability to pin point with great accuracy from 400 meters out. That distance increases by a mile if the person actually uses it.

Our forces in Afghan were told not carry or use cell phones because of this However, the Russian have not given this tech to Iran so we pretty much ignored it there, without consequences. Well, Ukraine there are consequences. The Russian have superior capability in electronic warfare. and thus they are peer, And Ukraine is finding that out.

But are forever war stooges think that Russian are stupid Neanderthals. This is insane and dangerous thinking, I can only hope that they are NCO in the military that are either grunts or drive trucks or something, Keep them far away from any command and control situation.
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Not sure, I hope not. Would hate to hear they killed the pillsbury dough boy.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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"Peer-nation adversaries have more sophisticated anti-access area denial capabilitiesA2/ADwith kill chains or kill webs that are no longer stagnant," said Stephanie Fehling, director of electronic attack solutions at BAE Systems. "They're increasingly more complex and resilient. They're using a much broader range of the electromagnetic spectrum for their combat operations, and they're also quickly adapting commercial technologies for use in their operations."
I agree and the nuance though might be some of our comparative advantages at the NSA, CIA (speaking about cyber/internet based spying/monitoring), and also space based/aviation assets such as satellites (optical and radar/radio/thermal- based). J-stars and awacs have declined in technological utility with age but they still lag in such platforms quite a bit, and things like the P-8/P-7/global hawk really have no equivalent. The Israeli's also are excellent in the information/electronic domains, and I'd even put them still ahead of the Chinese or Russians there (and they may gain more interest in disabling/fighting the Russian technology now that the Russians are actively flying weapons/arms to Iran).

It's in drone technology, production, and tactics that they have a substantive advantage. The reach of drones, not artillery, determines where the limit of controlled territory really is. The impact of Lancet and all its variants/incorporation of AI etc. have really produced a powerful capability and the Chinese are…not very far behind if at all, though theirs is largely untested on the battlefield, even some of the consumer-level stuff the Russians have used (mostly last year).

Obviously the Russians have more ground combat forces than we do at this point, especially in armor/artillery with experienced leadership. This has also given them an advantage vs. some of our equipment such as Himars/excaliber at this point too. But really, it would be irrelevant as their military can't really deploy/go beyond their borders much, but for the fact we have a war party that just wants to go to war in Russia for some insane reason.

Separately, LOL:




He knows it.
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The reasonable side of me says that the $571B number is simply a typo because we've appropriated $175B to date. A 226% increase seems absurd even for this administration. However, the post-conspiracy theory side of me realizes and would not be surprised if this number is the actual number they are trying to get.
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Funny interview by Dore:



Sitrep: Russian peace terms clarified.
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Lavrov prefaces with this axiomatic condensation of Putin's stated position on the conflict:
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"Russia is open to a politico-diplomatic settlement that should remove the root causes of the crisis," he said. "It should aim to end the conflict rather than achieve a ceasefire."
This is key: Russia seeks to end the broader crisis, which is ideologically larger than the mere physical war itself, rather than merely achieving a shallow ceasefire. In short, Russia wants something permament, not another Minsk-style set of accords.
Lavrov likewise cites the need for the entire world order to recalibrate to modern realities as part of this settlement processthis is a nod to Putin's Westphalian-redux proposition of a whole new security architecture undergirding any possible settlement.
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"What we have in mind is that the world order needs be adjusted to the current realities," he said. "Today the world is living through the 'multipolar moment'. Shifting towards the multi-polar world order is a natural part of power rebalancing, which reflects objective changes in the world economy, finance and geopolitics. The West waited longer than the others, yet it has also started to realize that this process is irreversible."
But the final segment is the most important. Lavrov for the first time finally clearlyenunciates Russia's explicit demands for ending the conflict via ceasefire. For all those wondering amidst the hazy rumors and stitched-together partial statements, here it is, finally in unvarnished formRussia's concrete demands for the settlement of the conflict as of this present time:

The big oneit's still here for those doomers and 5th columnists who claimed Putin had backpeddled on these: demilitarization and deNazification. Since Lavrov cited the Istanbul agreement as a basis, we can infer that the documents on Ukraine's demilitarization from that meeting can serve as a starting point.


Clown world. Putin has left Kiev's downtown largely in tact throughout the war. Any threat to Z would be…from Ukrainians, as Soskin has warned over the fall of Ugledar and needless slaughter of the whole 72nd brigade there.


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Biden, incredibly, per Woodward's new book told a friend/insider the Ukraine mess was really Obama's fault. I mean, in many respects he's not wrong, but it is ironic. The Obama Biden Harris foreign policy era needs to end completely.



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Biden gonna burn it down on his way out.
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Saint Zelensky seems suddenly ready to end the war asap, as Trump has taken a clear lead vs. the War Party puppet ticket. His plan to win is vacuous/empty.

"Peace Summit" meanwhile cancelled (under false pretenses), and more revelations about US Navy at nordstream site etc. Alex sees the Russians likely reaching the Dnieper river before long midway here, intent to 'wrap up' Ukraine quickly from Biden admin before they shuffle into the history books;



BRICS expansion coming up; I doubt Trump will be able to stop this from happening but hopefully a re-alignment/strengthening of the dollar in trade agreements with members can be achieved.


Most of the AFU up around Kursk have now retreated/fallen back to Sumy area on the 'Ukrainian' side of the border. Pretty well documented advances by the Russians, no need for a tweet on that imho. Anyway, a summary of Russian advances at today's sitrep. Highlight of truth:
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Another way of saying it would be what I wrote many times long ago: the goal of the US and Ukraine has become to effectively find a way to spin the loss as a 'victory', with the most obvious method being to drum up a nonexistent 'threat to Europe' then paint the ceasefire as "saving Europe" after having stopped Putin's "imperialist hordes" at the Dnieperor wherever.

More and more Ukrainian figures are just saying the quiet part out loud, with the mood bleaker than ever as realization dawns that the West will not provide the magical deux ex machina needed to defeat Putin's evil army of orcs.

Ukrainian ex-general Sergei Krivonos again stunned many with his unfiltered appraisal of the situation.
"Only a miracle can save Ukraine at this point."
RE: peers discussion up above, I note this Ukrainian admission (from link via telegram post):
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Ukrainian intelligence officer and battalion commander named Yaroslavsky states unequivocally: "Let the partners not be offended that Russian electronic warfare (EW) systems are the best in the world."
The reconstituted/grown Russian military is now a more modern/formidable threat should we for whatever reason decide to pursue a war with them, clearly. Thanks Obama-Biden-Harris. I did see the French promising to send Mirage 2000's now (a generation newer than the F-16's really, but certainly not cutting edge.). The real problem is that the Ukrainians don't have and won't have the logistical capability or trained pilot/maintenance cadre to support these any more than the F-16A block 15's they did receive (I saw several claims more were destroyed on the ground, not sure, but they certainly are not, as some had thought, being employed to launch stand off ground attacks). The war will be over before any Mirages are deployed, imho.

Forever war, comrades.
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These videos were a fan favorite at one point, but if they're truly mobilizing men out of the capital, that is a notable update
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

These videos were a fan favorite at one point, but if they're truly mobilizing men out of the capital, that is a notable update

Well, if "ayden" on X says so, we HAVE to believe that's what happened there...

No possible way it could have any other explanation. They picked a few guys out of the crowd of hundreds and decided those were the ones that were going to get conscripted...
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Some excitement about JASSM as the newest wonder weapon is likely misplaced;


Sad (and yes I've noted many videos of the conscription 'recruiters' abducting now also in concerts/strip clubs even in Kiev, likely taking mostly young adults who have on the internet spoken against the "Party of the People's" war first):


Russia has passed their 2025 budget with a further 25% increase in military spending. Meanwhile, the blob is lashing out of course at…Viktor Orban who calls them out for the failure that is the 'Ukraine' proxy war.


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* The Russians have come close to Pokrovsk and Mirnograd. This will not be an easy battle, but if successful, the Russian Armed Forces will be able to reach the Dnieper River in a few months.
* In the Kursk direction, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are suffering catastrophic losses. Several more villages have come under Russian control.
'The Strategic Offensive Is Approaching The Ukrainians Are Losing Kursk'
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Ag with kids said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

These videos were a fan favorite at one point, but if they're truly mobilizing men out of the capital, that is a notable update

Well, if "ayden" on X says so, we HAVE to believe that's what happened there...

No possible way it could have any other explanation. They picked a few guys out of the crowd of hundreds and decided those were the ones that were going to get conscripted...


Do you have an alternative theory? I don't see one in the replies or elsewhere online. Teslag used to at least come up with a plausible alternative explanation…..

Can you?
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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nortex97 said:

Some excitement about JASSM as the newest wonder weapon is likely misplaced;


The JASSM has IR for terminal homing.

And it's INS guided, not GPS guided. It gets GPS updates along the way, though. But, would probably be close enough for just the INS guidance by the time they could effectively jam the GPS.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Ag with kids said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

These videos were a fan favorite at one point, but if they're truly mobilizing men out of the capital, that is a notable update

Well, if "ayden" on X says so, we HAVE to believe that's what happened there...

No possible way it could have any other explanation. They picked a few guys out of the crowd of hundreds and decided those were the ones that were going to get conscripted...


Do you have an alternative theory? I don't see one in the replies or elsewhere online. Teslag used to at least come up with a plausible alternative explanation…..

Can you?
Sure.

Some drunk guys at a concert got arrested.
You can turn off signatures, btw
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The BRICS alliance is inevitable at this point. That list is largely one of losers although India, Brazil and KSA rankle me a bit.

India - because they are an ally and the largest "democracy" in the world and export a lot of their talent here and to the UK. However, because of their size and influence they tend to go their own way and do what they want at this point. In that regard, they are simply playing both sides because they can.

Brazil - because this is an own goal by the US. We actively helped overthrow a pro-US government in the second largest country in the Western Hemisphere in favor of open communists. Thanks Biden you traitorous POS.

KSA - another Biden own goal. Recognizing that KSA is not really our friend but they are absolutely the lesser of most evils in the ME. Trump also had MSB about to sign an official peace deal with Israel but Biden derailed that. And MSB has actually made a lot of moves to open his country and diversify away from oil as their only means of economic production. He's not an idiot; his vision is lofty as hell but he at least recognizes what needs to change there.
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Ag with kids said:

nortex97 said:

Some excitement about JASSM as the newest wonder weapon is likely misplaced;


The JASSM has IR for terminal homing.

And it's INS guided, not GPS guided. It gets GPS updates along the way, though. But, would probably be close enough for just the INS guidance by the time they could effectively jam the GPS.


What are you? Some kind of engineer in the defense industry or something?
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Ag with kids said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Ag with kids said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

These videos were a fan favorite at one point, but if they're truly mobilizing men out of the capital, that is a notable update

Well, if "ayden" on X says so, we HAVE to believe that's what happened there...

No possible way it could have any other explanation. They picked a few guys out of the crowd of hundreds and decided those were the ones that were going to get conscripted...


Do you have an alternative theory? I don't see one in the replies or elsewhere online. Teslag used to at least come up with a plausible alternative explanation…..

Can you?
Sure.

Some drunk guys at a concert got arrested.


I don't find this plausible. The uniforms are clearly not police. But you're entitled to believe what you wish.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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Dollar ain't good enough for these *****s, then time to ignore payments on any debt or assistance.
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