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Getting close to Ukraine no longer having any fight. The only logical evolution is for USA to step in to continue supporting this war.

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This is a great post as the Ukes just took and still hold Russian land with a surprise offensive.

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You think Russia began the provocation.....you are wrong.

The provocation went both ways with Ukrainian bad actors, a coup from the US, a US installed Ukrainian government, ethnic persecutions by Ukraine, and Russian belligerence....there is alot of blame to go around.

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Provocation is irrelevant in a pure and simple land grab. Which this is.

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Yep. And the Nordic countries are the perfect example as to why "Russian Provocation" because of defensive alliances are completely BS. It's funny there's not a single example of NATO countries on the Russian border attacking or intruding into Russia. There is however, multiple examples of Russia doing exactly that to the few countries that haven't received protection.

After 2014 the Kiev Nuland regime began shelling Russian populations in the Donetsk areas. That's what happened. And Kiev is absolutely having forces get routed this month/year. Kursk was an incalculable mistake.

And it was China Joe Biden, proxy war commander emeritus, who stated Putin 'had to do something' before the latest hot war between Russia and 'Ukraine' kicked off. A basic acknowledgment as to the provocation.

The best case scenario is still that the Russians win the war and bring long term peace to the region while eliminating the nazi remnants, and getting Americans off the hook for the multi-trillion dollar Blackrock 'rebuilding' plans/dreams.

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The best case scenario is still that the Russians win the war and bring long term peace to the region while eliminating the nazi remnants, and getting Americans off the hook for the multi-trillion dollar Blackrock 'rebuilding' plans/dreams.

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I think I could probably come up with at least half a dozen other "best case scenarios" that don't involve more killing and enslaving of an entire other country.

The Ukraine didnt win yet? What a waste of our tax dollars

You have a habit of saying "The" Ukraine…

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The best case scenario is still that the Russians win the war and bring long term peace to the region while eliminating the nazi remnants, and getting Americans off the hook for the multi-trillion dollar Blackrock 'rebuilding' plans/dreams.

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I think I could probably come up with at least half a dozen other "best case scenarios" that don't involve more killing and enslaving of an entire other country.

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Yep. Always helpful when the "we just want peace" posters out themselves so clearly.

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The best case scenario is still that the Russians win the war and bring long term peace to the region while eliminating the nazi remnants, and getting Americans off the hook for the multi-trillion dollar Blackrock 'rebuilding' plans/dreams.

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I think I could probably come up with at least half a dozen other "best case scenarios" that don't involve more killing and enslaving of an entire other country.

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Yep. Always helpful when the "we just want peace" posters out themselves so clearly.

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Zelensky is openly lobbying for ww3. The safest way to avoid that is for him to be forcibly defeated. Not a big complicated issue any longer. The sooner the better. For Ukrainians as well as Americans and Russians.

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The best case scenario is still that the Russians win the war and bring long term peace to the region while eliminating the nazi remnants, and getting Americans off the hook for the multi-trillion dollar Blackrock 'rebuilding' plans/dreams.

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I think I could probably come up with at least half a dozen other "best case scenarios" that don't involve more killing and enslaving of an entire other country.

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Yep. Always helpful when the "we just want peace" posters out themselves so clearly.

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Zelensky is openly lobbying for ww3. The safest way to avoid that is for him to be forcibly defeated. Not a big complicated issue any longer. The sooner the better. For Ukrainians as well as Americans and Russians.

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Not for the Ukrainians.

I doubt they want to be enslaved...which is how Putin and Russia will treat them.

Except for the ones they kill off.

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The best case scenario is still that the Russians win the war and bring long term peace to the region while eliminating the nazi remnants, and getting Americans off the hook for the multi-trillion dollar Blackrock 'rebuilding' plans/dreams.

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I think I could probably come up with at least half a dozen other "best case scenarios" that don't involve more killing and enslaving of an entire other country.

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Yep. Always helpful when the "we just want peace" posters out themselves so clearly.

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Zelensky is openly lobbying for ww3. The safest way to avoid that is for him to be forcibly defeated. Not a big complicated issue any longer. The sooner the better. For Ukrainians as well as Americans and Russians.

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He's absolutely not "openly lobbying for WW3", just for the gloves to be off in their defense of Russia's invasion. Russia isn't going to attack NATO no matter how much the isolationists on the right want to repeat Russia's blustering talking points and pretend they will.

Giving Russia a taste of their own medicine and forcing their population to feel what Ukraine has felt the last few years thanks to the invasion is one strategy to help convince Putin to stop his war. Which should be the #1 goal for everyone involved.

Ukrainians are…waaaaaay down my list of priorities vs. my kids and American interests, especially given how much money they have already received from the US, and strategic partnership with Democrats in the US. But if you're worried about their enslavement…you might check out the 'recruiters' videos which are all over the web outside of the msm.

I don't post them only because, again, I find the actual war porn videos in such bad taste as a 'debate' or discussion reference as it implies a celebration about one 'team' losing/being bad. The regime is absolutely brutal, and ever increasingly so.

Ukrainian channels advise Banderites to "be mentally prepared for the fall of Toretsk, Ugledar and Selidovo". pic.twitter.com/87XQYhg3AT

— Masno (@NovichokRossiya) September 23, 2024

❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Highlights of Russian Military Operation in Ukraine: highlights of the week September 16 - 22, 2024

▪️Over the past week, Russian forces launched another series of strikes on targets in Ukraine. In Sumy region, two substations were hit, resulting in power supply problems… pic.twitter.com/m1SELulUhl

— Rybar Force (@rybar_force) September 23, 2024

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javajaws said:

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The best case scenario is still that the Russians win the war and bring long term peace to the region while eliminating the nazi remnants, and getting Americans off the hook for the multi-trillion dollar Blackrock 'rebuilding' plans/dreams.

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I think I could probably come up with at least half a dozen other "best case scenarios" that don't involve more killing and enslaving of an entire other country.

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Yep. Always helpful when the "we just want peace" posters out themselves so clearly.

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Zelensky is openly lobbying for ww3. The safest way to avoid that is for him to be forcibly defeated. Not a big complicated issue any longer. The sooner the better. For Ukrainians as well as Americans and Russians.

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And yet Zelensky wasn't the one who started the war. And its Putin who threatens nukes if somebody wants to help Ukraine. Facts are funny like that.

I'll add one more "best case scenario" for you: Putin stops breathing.

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The best case scenario is still that the Russians win the war and bring long term peace to the region while eliminating the nazi remnants, and getting Americans off the hook for the multi-trillion dollar Blackrock 'rebuilding' plans/dreams.

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I think I could probably come up with at least half a dozen other "best case scenarios" that don't involve more killing and enslaving of an entire other country.

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Yep. Always helpful when the "we just want peace" posters out themselves so clearly.

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It doesn't seem like that long ago during this three day invasion that people bristled at the claim that they were rooting for Russia

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Ukrainians are…waaaaaay down my list of priorities vs. my kids and American interests, especially given how much money they have already received from the US, and strategic partnership with Democrats in the US. But if you're worried about their enslavement…you might check out the 'recruiters' videos which are all over the web outside of the msm.

I don't post them only because, again, I find the actual war porn videos in such bad taste as a 'debate' or discussion reference as it implies a celebration about one 'team' losing/being bad. The regime is absolutely brutal, and ever increasingly so.

Ukrainian channels advise Banderites to "be mentally prepared for the fall of Toretsk, Ugledar and Selidovo". pic.twitter.com/87XQYhg3AT

— Masno (@NovichokRossiya) September 23, 2024

❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Highlights of Russian Military Operation in Ukraine: highlights of the week September 16 - 22, 2024

▪️Over the past week, Russian forces launched another series of strikes on targets in Ukraine. In Sumy region, two substations were hit, resulting in power supply problems… pic.twitter.com/m1SELulUhl

— Rybar Force (@rybar_force) September 23, 2024

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There's also no evidence that any of those "recruitment videos" are legitimate, especially since they are only shared by obvious pro Russian sources. It's just as likely that they are manufactured Russian propaganda than anything legitimate.

And no Ukrainians would be fighting period if Putin hadn't started the war.

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Zelensky got his ass kicked and now he wants to flip the table. God help us all if does it.

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This is a perfect example of delusion that is required to blindly follow extremist politics (on either side).

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You're right. Zelensky is flying here to beg for help and sell us on his new plan because everything is going so well for him.

Makes perfect sense.

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The best case scenario is still that the Russians win the war and bring long term peace to the region while eliminating the nazi remnants, and getting Americans off the hook for the multi-trillion dollar Blackrock 'rebuilding' plans/dreams.

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I think I could probably come up with at least half a dozen other "best case scenarios" that don't involve more killing and enslaving of an entire other country.

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Yep. Always helpful when the "we just want peace" posters out themselves so clearly.

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It doesn't seem like that long ago during this three day invasion that people bristled at the claim that they were rooting for Russia

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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javajaws said:

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nortex97 said:

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The best case scenario is still that the Russians win the war and bring long term peace to the region while eliminating the nazi remnants, and getting Americans off the hook for the multi-trillion dollar Blackrock 'rebuilding' plans/dreams.

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I think I could probably come up with at least half a dozen other "best case scenarios" that don't involve more killing and enslaving of an entire other country.

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Yep. Always helpful when the "we just want peace" posters out themselves so clearly.

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Zelensky is openly lobbying for ww3. The safest way to avoid that is for him to be forcibly defeated. Not a big complicated issue any longer. The sooner the better. For Ukrainians as well as Americans and Russians.

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He's absolutely not "openly lobbying for WW3", just for the gloves to be off in their defense of Russia's invasion. Russia isn't going to attack NATO no matter how much the isolationists on the right want to repeat Russia's blustering talking points and pretend they will.

Giving Russia a taste of their own medicine and forcing their population to feel what Ukraine has felt the last few years thanks to the invasion is one strategy to help convince Putin to stop his war. Which should be the #1 goal for everyone involved.

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Worth pointing out the 2nd attempted Trump assassin said the same stuff.

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javajaws said:

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The best case scenario is still that the Russians win the war and bring long term peace to the region while eliminating the nazi remnants, and getting Americans off the hook for the multi-trillion dollar Blackrock 'rebuilding' plans/dreams.

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I think I could probably come up with at least half a dozen other "best case scenarios" that don't involve more killing and enslaving of an entire other country.

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Yep. Always helpful when the "we just want peace" posters out themselves so clearly.

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Zelensky is openly lobbying for ww3. The safest way to avoid that is for him to be forcibly defeated. Not a big complicated issue any longer. The sooner the better. For Ukrainians as well as Americans and Russians.

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Not for the Ukrainians.

I doubt they want to be enslaved...which is how Putin and Russia will treat them.

Except for the ones they kill off.

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It is quite clear that some here have zero problems with Ukrainian deaths, military or civilian, as long as Russia wins.

I fact, they have now quite literally admitted that.

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The best case scenario is still that the Russians win the war and bring long term peace to the region while eliminating the nazi remnants, and getting Americans off the hook for the multi-trillion dollar Blackrock 'rebuilding' plans/dreams.

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I think I could probably come up with at least half a dozen other "best case scenarios" that don't involve more killing and enslaving of an entire other country.

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Yep. Always helpful when the "we just want peace" posters out themselves so clearly.

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Zelensky is openly lobbying for ww3. The safest way to avoid that is for him to be forcibly defeated. Not a big complicated issue any longer. The sooner the better. For Ukrainians as well as Americans and Russians.

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He's absolutely not "openly lobbying for WW3", just for the gloves to be off in their defense of Russia's invasion. Russia isn't going to attack NATO no matter how much the isolationists on the right want to repeat Russia's blustering talking points and pretend they will.

Giving Russia a taste of their own medicine and forcing their population to feel what Ukraine has felt the last few years thanks to the invasion is one strategy to help convince Putin to stop his war. Which should be the #1 goal for everyone involved.

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Worth pointing out the 2nd attempted Trump assassin said the same stuff.

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Completely irrelevant, but you already knew that.

Not sure if this fits this thread, but Zelensky is touring PA in a USAF C-17 dogging Trump-Vance who would end the war at Ukraine's expense.

Worth noting that Zelenskyy was flown to Pennsylvania on an U.S. Air Force C-17.

The Biden-Harris admin is using military assets to fly a foreign leader into a battleground state in order to undermine their political opponents. https://t.co/OSebVUuBEg pic.twitter.com/biMGTfAc1J

— Dan Caldwell 🇺🇸 (@dandcaldwell) September 23, 2024

Amazing. Such pieces of crap.

Russians within Ugledar, 12 hours ago:

These aren't the Dachas outside, this is actual core Ugledar with the fortress apartment blocks already being stormed and cleared out https://t.co/2TBHuNswr6

— SIMPLICIUS Ѱ (@simpatico771) September 23, 2024

The "Help" is complained about yet again;

⚡️And they made fun of Russia's North Korean ammo.

"The Western partner delivered real garbage": the Ukrainian Armed Forces militants were supplied with ammunition with detonators developed during World War II, writes Handelsblatt, citing a report by the Ukrainian command. The… pic.twitter.com/MKUQl05Zvc

— SIMPLICIUS Ѱ (@simpatico771) September 23, 2024

And yes, to the above, I was originally ambivalent about which side 'should' win this war, but over time and as I continued studying/reading 'takes' (including on this website) I realized our interests are best served/the world is safer if in fact Russia continues winning and ultimately conquers "Ukraine." While both sides possess a share of banality/evil/corruption, Kiev represents a real threat to Americans even as it continues to campaign/support the Democrat War party here, and an expansion toward WW3 in their war on Moscow. The "Servant of the People" party in Kiev really is now 100 percent an extension of our Democrat party here, and both need to be defeated (in different ways, of course), though in Kiev no pretense of elections are even held/promised. More on the other thread ('backfire') of course, but this is just disgusting:

This comment by Ukrainian President Zelenskyy is inappropriate, and were it said about another foreign leader, or about Kamala Harris, it would also be inappropriate.

It doesn’t matter if you think it’s true; it’s part of the drip, drip where government leaders feel increasingly… pic.twitter.com/zwZqJmJWfj

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) September 24, 2024

Oh btw, to those above wishing death to Putin, any successor would be much more strident in the special military operation, from what I have read. The personalization of hatred in a war is a natural/very old thing, but the reality is Putin is merely the figure head at the top there right now. 'NAFO fellas' is really a very weak/poor echo of the past:


History will not kindly remember Joe Biden, Victoria Nuland, Ben Rhodes, nor Zelensky. The sunset of their era in office cannot come soon enough.

The US could not bring back American astronauts stuck on space station. Russia saves one American now safely returned to earth.

Just give them Ukraine and that punk.

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Amazing. Such pieces of crap.

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Yep. It takes quite the nerve to campaign on having relations with Russia being the priority over your own countries interests.

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Amazing. Such pieces of crap.

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Yep. It takes quite the nerve to campaign on having relations with Russia being the priority over your own countries interests.

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That little punk Zelensky is not campaigning since he cht canned Ukraine citizens right to vote for president. Sleazy lobbyist lobbying for handouts to launder.

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Amazing. Such pieces of crap.

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Yep. It takes quite the nerve to campaign on having relations with Russia being the priority over your own countries interests.

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That little punk Zelensky is not campaigning since he cht canned Ukraine citizens right to vote for president. Sleazy lobbyist lobbying for handouts to launder.

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Should he have rigged elections like Putin?

I bet he'd gladly have elections if Russia went home tomorrow.

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Amazing. Such pieces of crap.

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Yep. It takes quite the nerve to campaign on having relations with Russia being the priority over your own countries interests.

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That little punk Zelensky is not campaigning since he cht canned Ukraine citizens right to vote for president. Sleazy lobbyist lobbying for handouts to launder.

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Should he have rigged elections like Putin?

I bet he'd gladly have elections if Russia went home tomorrow.

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So democracy in UKE is conditional? Good to know

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Amazing. Such pieces of crap.

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Yep. It takes quite the nerve to campaign on having relations with Russia being the priority over your own countries interests.

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That little punk Zelensky is not campaigning since he cht canned Ukraine citizens right to vote for president. Sleazy lobbyist lobbying for handouts to launder.

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Should he have rigged elections like Putin?

I bet he'd gladly have elections if Russia went home tomorrow.

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So democracy in UKE is conditional? Good to know

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How do you hold elections in provinces that are occupied by a foreign government?

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AgLA06 said:

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Amazing. Such pieces of crap.

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Yep. It takes quite the nerve to campaign on having relations with Russia being the priority over your own countries interests.

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That little punk Zelensky is not campaigning since he cht canned Ukraine citizens right to vote for president. Sleazy lobbyist lobbying for handouts to launder.

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Should he have rigged elections like Putin?

I bet he'd gladly have elections if Russia went home tomorrow.

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So democracy in UKE is conditional? Good to know

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Conditional on him not wanting people to have to dodge Russian bombs on the way to the polls? Yes. He'd have elections tomorrow if Putin stopped his invasion.

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Amazing. Such pieces of crap.

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Yep. It takes quite the nerve to campaign on having relations with Russia being the priority over your own countries interests.

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That little punk Zelensky is not campaigning since he cht canned Ukraine citizens right to vote for president. Sleazy lobbyist lobbying for handouts to launder.

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Should he have rigged elections like Putin?

I bet he'd gladly have elections if Russia went home tomorrow.

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So democracy in UKE is conditional? Good to know

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Conditional on him not wanting people to have to dodge Russian bombs on the way to the polls? Yes. He'd have elections tomorrow if Putin stopped his invasion.

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I've seen no evidence of this. Did he say this? If so, did you actually believe it?

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Amazing. Such pieces of crap.

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Yep. It takes quite the nerve to campaign on having relations with Russia being the priority over your own countries interests.

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That little punk Zelensky is not campaigning since he cht canned Ukraine citizens right to vote for president. Sleazy lobbyist lobbying for handouts to launder.

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How would he have elections in Ukraine?

The Donbas region is occupied by Russia.

So, those portions of Ukraine can't be included in the vote.

And if he did elections without those regions, Russia (and the sycophants) would claim that Ukraine had accepted that they were Russian territories...

Trump comes out and says what people been saying all along on here. Russia-Ukraine is the US's fault. Why is this so controversial? Because Trump said it?

It's not controversial to anyone paying attention, at all, over the past year and a half at least frankly. This one was an easy call since the beginning just piecing together Biden and Nuland's own words.

Perhaps, however, the little man's whining has finally fallen on deaf ears:

According to the Washington Post, the United States believes that Ukraine has not made a “compelling case” for permission to strike deep into Russia with American weapons.

“Ukraine is better off focusing on destroying targets in Crimea. Strikes on Russia are not worth the risk… pic.twitter.com/Rzy0fVXnWd

— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated) September 24, 2024

And, apparently they are about out of ATACM's anyway…

WaPo validates what we've been reporting for weeks now: pic.twitter.com/aekD6nMJuS

— SIMPLICIUS Ѱ (@simpatico771) September 25, 2024

NEWS ANALYSIS: BOGOYAVLENKA CAN'T REPLACE UGLEDAR, SEP 25th 2024
In a Forbes article today, David Axe talks with several Ukrainian war analysts and according to them UkrAF has begun a quiet withdrawal from Ugledar (Vuhledar).

The 72nd Ombr/Brigade defending Ugledar has around… https://t.co/1wCc1jiUVQ

— Mikael Valtersson (@MikaelValterss1) September 25, 2024

Q&A: WHY IS VUHLEDAR IMPORTANT, SEP 24th 2024
There are three main reasons.
1, It's a symbol of Ukrainian resistance and Russian losses. The city Russia can't take. A number of failed Russian attacks has created this myth. If Russia takes it easily, it will be a huge moralen blow… https://t.co/X2DbybYsoS

— Mikael Valtersson (@MikaelValterss1) September 24, 2024

Things seem to be slogging along 'fairly well,' with the Ukrainians 'tactically retreating' in many/most areas.
Meanwhile, the campaign stop probably backfired politically, as only the most pro-war likely voters will cheer it on broadly (and are already going to vote for the War Party ticket), and everyone else see's it for the disgusting spectacle it was/represents:

Congress demands investigation into Zelensky's visit to the US, - Washington Examiner.

▪️A group of Republican lawmakers suggest his visit may have been "politically motivated" and "aimed at supporting Vice President Kamala Harris."
▪️Also earlier, congressmen demanded a full… pic.twitter.com/YQ5cedmvB0

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) September 25, 2024

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Amazing. Such pieces of crap.

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Yep. It takes quite the nerve to campaign on having relations with Russia being the priority over your own countries interests.

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That little punk Zelensky is not campaigning since he cht canned Ukraine citizens right to vote for president. Sleazy lobbyist lobbying for handouts to launder.

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Should he have rigged elections like Putin?

I bet he'd gladly have elections if Russia went home tomorrow.

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So democracy in UKE is conditional? Good to know

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Conditional on him not wanting people to have to dodge Russian bombs on the way to the polls? Yes. He'd have elections tomorrow if Putin stopped his invasion.

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I've seen no evidence of this. Did he say this? If so, did you actually believe it?

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https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-birthday-grenade-b1b82e4f84eb5a39286d1500cf49fcd1

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"We must realize that now is the time of defense, the time of the battle that determines the fate of the state and people, not the time of manipulations, which only Russia expects from Ukraine," he said. "I believe that now is not the right time for elections."

Ukrainian legislation bans elections during martial law that has been in place since Russia launched its invasion in February 2022. The country would need to amend the law if it decided to hold the vote.

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