Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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In reply to Ag with kids • 12:53p, 8/12/24
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Ag with kids said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Absolutely.

I was thinking of his "minor incursion" comment. Biden's poor leadership was a major contributor. I know that level of nuance doesn't sound as good as "100% Putin" internet platitudes but anyone looking at it honestly can see Biden's corruption and mistakes leading up to this.
I don't disagree the Biden being weak as **** led Putin to believe that invading would not result in a harsh response.

But, that doesn't mean that Putin suddenly got the idea to invade BECAUSE Biden was weak. It was just a good opportunity to do what he was always intending to do.

It was still 100% Putin's fault for invading. If a bully beats up a little kid because the little kid is a weakling it doesn't mean the little kid is in any way at fault for getting beat up.


I'm pretty sure you're contradicting yourself here, but the inarticulate use of a double negative makes this hard to understand.

Think of it like a 3 legged stool. It takes means, motive, and opportunity. If you are admitting Biden gave Putin the opportunity, then you've blown apart the "100% platitude" that so many ignorantly spout off. The 100% Putin trope is problematic because it attempts to remove all nuance.
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In reply to Ag with kids • 1:17p, 8/12/24
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This has absolutely nothing to do with anything I've discussed.
And my brother, is the problem, you have divorced and ignored the Russia, Russia, Russia, cabal corruption in Ukraine from what is happening now. That is just off.

The reality is Ukraine has been a Soros, Biden, Obama, WHO, cabal run and controlled state for a long time.

This war has absolutely nothing to do with Ukrainian independence. zip nada. They are just fodder in the mix, it's about who is going to control the wealth and resources there. We also have a very wicked and corrupt NWO that is pushing the Covid scam and the Green scam all and their transgender/transhumanism.

I wish I could get the blinders off you but, I can't so I am done trying.
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3:25p, 8/12/24
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Not a reliable account:

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In reply to lb3 • 4:22a, 8/13/24
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I don't see that anywhere. Putin did declare that unconditional surrender is the only outcome he'll accept at this point. I did hear this last night:



"Biden's 'stupid threats' caused Ukraine war."



Good talk (Larry Johnson is a guest host in this case):


Sitrep:
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11:37a, 8/14/24
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In reply to nortex97 • 12:18p, 8/14/24
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nortex97 said:
I don't think it's as far off as it seems at first glance.


Sitrep: last-gasp Ardenne offensive?
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In short: it's a text book assault, with nothing bad that can be said about it. Ukraine chose a region that was a soft underbelly and accumulated a force disparity against a bunch of nearly defenseless Russian border guards and conscripts. However, as soon as Ukrainian forces began incurring, they were hit mercilessly from Russia's fire-strike-complex.

What's remarkable is that besides the first border checkpoint capture of Russian troops, Ukrainian units have posted nearly no other Russian losses whatsoever. Russians on the other hand have now posted a verifiable dozens of destroyed armored vehicles of all types.

Yesterday, Russian MOD claimed over 600 manpower losses for the AFU already. Even if we assume this number is exaggerated, the MOD's vehicular losses was something in the 60-80 region, which is mostly in line with verified losses. So, if they didn't lie about the vehicle hits, why would they lie about the manpower number?
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If this is really the case, then that means this may be Ukraine's final big hurrah offensive, the one they had been saving up for a long time as their last needle-moving attempt to affect "coming negotiations". If these brigades are recklessly thrown away in the same way that the 10th and 11th Corps were done during the Zaporozhye '23 offensive, then the fat lady may sing for the AFU as a whole, as there will be no reserves left, particularly to contain Russia's coming breakthroughs in the Donbass direction.


In short, the Kursk offensive was well coordinated with EW, drones, and a large task force of relatively elite forces/units, yet the first 20 km etc. were not Russian reserves but border guards, the main Russian reserves north being placed outside of MLRS/ATACM etc. range. I expect more rapid movement of the Russians forward in the Donbas/Donetsk areas etc. this year and elimination of this pocket, because the Ukrainians now have nothing left to provide for their desperate front line units by way of reserves/fresh troops. And, critically, the Russians didn't have to transfer any significant forces from the east/south to put down this incursion.


Five days ago the offensive ground to a blood soaked halt, and Russians were mopping up. Meanwhile in the real world, Ukraine continues seizing Russian territory and Russia has started digging trenches deep within their own territory. Always fun to follow up with this thread and the "other perspective".
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1:03p, 8/14/24
Did Russia win yet so we can stop funding it?
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1:08p, 8/14/24
isnt the area UKE occupies extremely small and how will they hold on to it? Thats a victory?
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In reply to girlfriend_experience • 1:50p, 8/14/24
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girlfriend_experience said:
isnt the area UKE occupies extremely small and how will they hold on to it? Thats a victory?


Ukraine has literally gained more land and towns in the last two weeks than Russia has in two years.
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In reply to Teslag • 1:57p, 8/14/24
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Teslag said:
girlfriend_experience said:
isnt the area UKE occupies extremely small and how will they hold on to it? Thats a victory?


Ukraine has literally gained more land and towns in the last two weeks than Russia has in two years.


Oops.
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1:59p, 8/14/24
Russia was (allegedly) so worried about being invaded by NATO that they started a war that got them invaded by Ukraine.
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6:07a, 8/15/24
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They're both advancing. Who blinks first? Good thread.

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4:59p, 8/15/24
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Great success, near Kursk, per the German general.
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5:43a, 8/16/24
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Tucker Carlson and Dave note note that we could end this war immediately by making a deal to get the US out of Nato if halted at current lines; win-win.



Porkrovsk remains the primary axis/front that matters;


Gruesome images of the invaders being hit around Kursk. Not gonna link. I don't understand why MRAPS, meant for counter-insurgency patrols/armed against IEDs', are used for strikes by the UAF. They have huge profiles and are particularly vulnerable to modern fires from drones etc.

For those who don't know, Germany issued an arrest warrant for the Ukrainian involved in the Nordstream pipeline terrorism, which was ok'd by Zelensky, and is now common knowledge in Germany/Europe.
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In reply to nortex97 • 12:34p, 8/16/24
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It always amazes me how nortex has become such an open and biased supporter of Russia. It started as wanting the conflict to end because of spending and a stance against american globalism... today he's referring to the Ukrainians as the "invaders"; a term he's yet to use over the last two and a half years when referring to the Russians as they've invaded Ukraine.


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In reply to GAC06 • 12:35p, 8/16/24
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Teslag said:
girlfriend_experience said:
isnt the area UKE occupies extremely small and how will they hold on to it? Thats a victory?


Ukraine has literally gained more land and towns in the last two weeks than Russia has in two years.


Oops.
gained how long you expect them to hold those positions?? ooops indeed
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In reply to wtmartinaggie • 12:44p, 8/16/24
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What has happened is I have grown to detest the Ukrainian regime. Not Ukrainians, whom pro-regime supporters obviously don't care about at all, but the regime of the Zelensky government. I also don't celebrate the deaths of soldiers/people on either side, nor feel compelled to cheer as such (which I find disgusting elsewhere).

Part of this is the role they (the regime) have happily played in the destruction of Ukraine while enriching themselves (Zelensky's wife's new car, or his new winery in Italy?), and as well support for the Trump impeachment(s) and absurdities of the Biden familia. But in general I try to express my contempt for these absurd forever-wars as clearly as I can.



The attempts to frame this conflict as one between "good and evil" or "oppression vs. freedom" etc. are what I think are utterly absurd. The impact of the conflict has again been to empower/enrich/enlarge the BRICS countries and the imposition of enormous economic costs on Europe/the US, and human devastation on Ukraine. It is also true many view the Russians as liberators, vs. the Zelensky regime. The terrorism on the Nordstream pipeline surely has ticked off the average German.
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In reply to nortex97 • 12:46p, 8/16/24
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What has happened is I have grown to detest the Ukrainian regime. Not Ukrainians, whom pro-regime supporters obviously don't care about at all, but the regime of the Zelensky government. I also don't celebrate the deaths of soldiers/people on either side, nor feel compelled to cheer as such (which I find disgusting elsewhere).

Part of this is the role they (the regime) have happily played in the destruction of Ukraine while enriching themselves (Zelensky's wife's new car, or his new winery in Italy?), and as well support for the Trump impeachment(s) and absurdities of the Biden familia. But in general I try to express my contempt for these absurd forever-wars as clearly as I can.



The attempts to frame this conflict as one between "good and evil" or "oppression vs. freedom" etc. are what I think are utterly absurd. The impact of the conflict has again been to empower/enrich/enlarge the BRICS countries and the imposition of enormous economic costs on Europe/the US, and human devastation on Ukraine. It is also true many view the Russians as liberators, vs. the Zelensky regime. The terrorism on the Nordstream pipeline surely has ticked off the average German.
thanks for posting Russia continues to make gain in Donetsk but the other thread would have you believe UKE is on the march to Moscow.

ooops
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In reply to girlfriend_experience • 12:55p, 8/16/24
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Yeah I gave up checking on the other thread.

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In reply to nortex97 • 7:01p, 8/16/24
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Evacuated in that region not because of an approaching Russian force but because of indiscriminate Russian shelling on civilians. Probably should clarify the Ukrainian's comments in the presser but I'm not surprised why that Russian twitter feed left it out.

And if theres any doubt where the loyalties of that feed lie…




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5:22a, 8/17/24
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Lovely people:


They apparently captured, tortured (in a mine), and killed the "Donbas cowboy" from Texas who was fighting for the DPR forces.

Nuclear sitrep: grim reality.

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For the folks who still believe the casualties are even, or in Ukraine's favor, could you kindly explain howas the commander above admitsthe two sides had "roughly the same number of men" in the spring, and now Russians have a 5:1 manpower advantage? You would think that sort of implies that one side is losing massively more men than the other.
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A senior US official and a senior European intelligence official both said a major goal of the operation appears to be to create "strategic dilemmas" for Putin, particularly when it comes to where Russia should allocate manpower.
As stated above, it becomes increasingly clear Ukraine has various asymmetric goals with its Kursk operation, rather than defined physical objectives. Mikhail Podolyak just outright admitted on his official account that Ukraine is "not interested occupying Russian territories:
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Ukraine claims "700 Russian troops" are encircled and semi-trapped in this Glushkovo region. While that's likely a farcical lie, it's not well known precisely what condition the troops there are in, and it's safe to say logistics may have been greatly impacted by the bridge hits. More than that, not all the area's civilians have been evacuated yet and many are trapped, which Ukraine now intends to kidnap and take to Sumy region.

But keep in mind, this area is near the Ukrainian border, where the AFU are snuffling around while they continue to be fully stopped in all the important directions where they attempted to advancelike Korenevo, north of Sudzha, and even Sudzha itself which Russian sources still indicate is mostly in the gray zone, contrary to what fake AFU videos shot on the western edge of the city claim to depict.
More at the link, as always!
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5:29a, 8/17/24
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An explanation as to the use of conscripts around Kursk by RU forces (instead of weakening the real front/offensive):
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5:01a, 8/18/24
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Germany to halt Ukrainian military aid:



The guardian: Precarious.



Panic? UFA haven't materially moved in over 10 days. They are trying to hang on. Lot's of reports of Patriot and M270 systems being struck. Ukraine destroyed a bridge, though the Russians didn't have '700 troops encircled' as farcically claimed (pontoon bridge was up shortly thereafter).
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5:32a, 8/19/24
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LOL, he said it.


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"Biden was saying all the wrong things," Trump told venture capitalist David Sacks. "And one of the worst things he was saying was, no, Ukraine will go into NATO." The Republican presidential candidate added, "When I listened to him speak, I said, this guy's going to start a war. As you know, for years there was never even talk of Russia going into Ukraine. That would have never happened. Russia was never going to attack Ukraine….

"Then all of a sudden, they attack. I said, 'What's going on here?' But if you look at the rhetoric from Biden … he's still saying it," Trump added.

The former president and presumptive 2024 Republican candidate blew up the black legend of an "unprovoked" Russian attack on Ukraine, repeated endlessly in the mainstream media's echo chamber. The US Establishment now suffers the double humiliation of having provoked a war with Russia and then having lost it. "Worse than a crime," Napoleon's foreign minister Talleyrand quipped, "it's a blunder."
Longish thread with a synopsis/microcosm of the whole Kursk misadventure:
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6:48a, 8/20/24
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Not an update, just hilarious. Irishman joins the grift
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In reply to nortex97 • 7:01a, 8/20/24
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What has happened is I have grown to detest the Ukrainian regime. Not Ukrainians, whom pro-regime supporters obviously don't care about at all, but the regime of the Zelensky government. I also don't celebrate the deaths of soldiers/people on either side, nor feel compelled to cheer as such (which I find disgusting elsewhere).

Part of this is the role they (the regime) have happily played in the destruction of Ukraine while enriching themselves (Zelensky's wife's new car, or his new winery in Italy?), and as well support for the Trump impeachment(s) and absurdities of the Biden familia. But in general I try to express my contempt for these absurd forever-wars as clearly as I can.

The attempts to frame this conflict as one between "good and evil" or "oppression vs. freedom" etc. are what I think are utterly absurd. The impact of the conflict has again been to empower/enrich/enlarge the BRICS countries and the imposition of enormous economic costs on Europe/the US, and human devastation on Ukraine. It is also true many view the Russians as liberators, vs. the Zelensky regime. The terrorism on the Nordstream pipeline surely has ticked off the average German.


Yes.
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7:26a, 8/20/24
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Sitrep;


TLDR: Enormous gaslighting about the need for a ceasefire coming from the Russian side. Ukraine desperate and facing a freezing winter with very little power generation/transmission capabilities. Germans dumping Kiev, related to the Nordstream truth finally being acknowledged.



Pretty funny to see legacy media a little confused as to whether they can/should follow orders as to how to depict the Kiev regime/proxy war at this point:
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7:39a, 8/20/24
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Germany reaffirms Ukraine aid. So much for that...

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/08/20/germany-affirms-ukraine-military-aid-amid-budget-maneuvering/


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BERLIN Amid murmurings in Berlin that the country may curtail its military support for Ukraine, the German government on Monday confirmed a long list of scheduled deliveries for Kyiv, including dozens of armored vehicles, rocket launchers and tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition.

Among the equipment the government reaffirmed it would send by the end of the year are two additional IRIS-T SLM air defense systems; two IRIS-T SLS launchers; ten Gepard anti-aircraft guns; 16 Panzerhaubitze 2000 howitzers as well as Zuzana and RCH 155 self-propelled howitzers; combat drones; several thousand rounds of artillery ammunition and ammunition for armored vehicles, and a batch of 30 Leopard 1A5 tanks.
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In reply to Teslag • 8:02a, 8/20/24
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That's just over-due/long promised deliveries, not a change in funding/commitment for next year. Notice RHM.de's drop.



Zelensky hissy fit at western backers.
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In reply to nortex97 • 8:19a, 8/20/24
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Germany will fund whatever we tell them to fund. Especially since Russia will be paying for it.


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Instead of taking Ukraine aid money from Germany's budget, it would in the future come from dividends on frozen Russian assets, the German finance minister said in his internal letter. The G7 countries have vowed to use the vast frozen Russian assets to support Ukraine's survival, including furnishing a $50 billion loan to the country.

Meanwhile, already-authorized German weapons deliveries will continue in 2025, Bchner confirmed on Monday. In the next calendar year, "more than 20 PzH 2000, Zuzana and RCH 155 howitzers, 20 Marder infantry fighting vehicles, 37 Leopard 1A5s, five Gepards, three IRIS-T SLM systems and also three IRIS-T SLS systems, as well as two Skynex air defense systems and thousands of rounds of ammunition" will be transferred to Ukraine, he said.
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10:05a, 8/20/24
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Did Russia declare all out war yet like promised?

Last I heard Putin demanded his army push Ukraine out of Russia by the end of October.
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In reply to Teslag • 10:07a, 8/20/24
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Bookmarked.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 10:16a, 8/20/24
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
Bookmarked.

You did this before when you kept asking for updates on the aid package... until it was approved as promised. The defense industry always gets what it wants.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 10:20a, 8/20/24
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Did Russia declare all out war yet like promised?

Last I heard Putin demanded his army push Ukraine out of Russia by the end of October.

Russia is full of hot air like always. Zelensky called out their continual bluffing about "red lines" as well. At this point it's clear Russia is full of it. And they can't even halt Ukraine's Kursk advance, as Ukraine took additional Russian towns, in addition to Sudzha last week, just on Sunday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/20/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-incursion-zelensky.html


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As his forces attempted to push deeper into Russian territory, Mr. Zelensky seized the moment to challenge a limitation from Kyiv's allies that has long frustrated Ukraine: the use of Western-supplied long-range weapons against Russia, which Ukraine argues is key to disrupting Moscow's military operations.

"The whole nave, illusory concept of so-called red lines regarding Russia, which dominated the assessment of the war by some partners, has crumbled these days somewhere near Sudzha," Mr. Zelensky told Ukrainian ambassadors to other countries in a speech published on Monday evening. He was referring to the western Russian town of Sudzha, which Ukrainian forces captured last week.
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10:28a, 8/20/24
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Also interesting to note, the pro-Russian propaganda outlets always go to the well of "the west (usually Germany) is abandoning Ukraine". It's like clockwork.

Old tweet (note the date)from this post...
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3365034/replies/66438967



Yet, again, after that tweet Germany funded and approved current 2024 aid and it came. A year from now, we will still be hearing how the west is cutting off Ukraine. It's just not going to happen now or in the future. It's peanuts for a good return.
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